981 US Recall - Page 3 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Has anyone UK based heard anything about this? https://www.autoevolution.com/news/your-previous-g...

I saw the article in my newsfeed and came here to see if it’s already being discussed. I have a Feb 2014 Boxster S which seems to be one of the affected models, but I’m in the UK and not heard anything from Porsche yet. I don’t even know if there will be a recall in the UK and Europe. And there is a bit of a rattle from the back end, but I’ve only noticed it on startup so I assumed it was something exhaust related. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t! I wonder how involved the recall work is?

LunarOne said: I wonder how involved the recall work is? According to US linked article: Even though it would probably take a while, the fix is relatively simple. The company’s authorized technicians will inspect all cars and replace the affected rear-axle carrier side sections with new ones, produced to the original specification, where required.

I have a late 2012 981 Boxster S. It has a rattle at the back that is not engine or g/box, transmission related. It sounds like a baffle plate/heat shield. I have phoned Porsche UK today (15 Sep 2021) and asked them about the recalls applied to USA cars, there response was that there is no recall for my car. I have also gone onto the Porsche website and put my VN number into the recall section and this shows no recall. My car is booked into a Porsche dealership for its 80k mile service in about 4 weeks time. I have asked them to check out the rattle.

More details on US recall here: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V67...

2014 Cayman here. PGB advised speak to my OPC. My OPC say no outstanding recall. Bearing in mind the notification to US dealers was just yesterday it may take a few days to reach UK dealers IF it also affects UK cars.

DJMC said: My OPC say no outstanding recall. Mine hadn't even heard of the US recall, they have now. All they do is type your VIN into the same system we can and whatever the computer says they say, in this case "computer says no".

DJMC said: 2014 Cayman here. PGB advised speak to my OPC. My OPC say no outstanding recall. Bearing in mind the notification to US dealers was just yesterday it may take a few days to reach UK dealers IF it also affects UK cars. I can’t imagine it wouldn’t affect UK cars. They are all made in the same factory aren’t they?

I said to Jack at OPC Leics the same thing, they're all made in the same factory albeit with the steering wheel on the wrong side, but he said different markets get different spec. I'm fairly sure the rear axle parts would be the same though, for UK and USA. Give it a few days... or will PGB do a cover-up? Axle-gate?

Slippydiff said: But knowing the way the great 981 brake pedal bush replacement was handled, they'll try and fob the cost of on the owners ... Despite the fact this has been described as a "voluntary safety recall out of an abundance of caution” this is something that they are not going to be able to ignore. A major suspension component which has "a 100% estimated defect rate" which can lead to loss of vehicle control is not a leaky washer bottle. If the US and UK cars share this casting they will get recalled.

anonymous said: [redacted]

981Boxess said: espite the fact this has been described as a "voluntary safety recall out of an abundance of caution” this is something that they are not going to be able to ignore. A major suspension component which has "a 100% estimated defect rate" which can lead to loss of vehicle control is not a leaky washer bottle. If the US and UK cars share this casting they will get recalled. I've edited my post, so your quote doesn't make a lot of sense now I'm afraid ... But I'd suggest that a car's brakes effectively seizing on due to the pedal bushes sticking to the pivot they run on once they get hot, is just as safety critical as a rear suspension component failing ...

I've just emailed PGB asking what's happening with a recall in the UK. Suggest others do the same. [email removed]

DJMC said: I've just emailed PGB asking what's happening with a recall in the UK. Suggest others do the same. [email removed]

anonymous said: [redacted] I will bet you my suspension casting they will swerve (see what I did there) the safe to drive question, no matter how you word it.

anonymous said: [redacted] No idea but I will happily bet their Barrister will have a better suit than yours.

anonymous said: [redacted] We are both on the same side but their argument is a very simple one and I will leave them to make it. The purpose of starting the thread is to get some people to wind up their dealers about this, hopefully that will happen.

981Boxess said: Slippydiff said: But knowing the way the great 981 brake pedal bush replacement was handled, they'll try and fob the cost of on the owners ... Despite the fact this has been described as a "voluntary safety recall out of an abundance of caution” this is something that they are not going to be able to ignore. A major suspension component which has "a 100% estimated defect rate" which can lead to loss of vehicle control is not a leaky washer bottle. If the US and UK cars share this casting they will get recalled. NHTSA PDF said: The term In August 2021, the final assessment was available and additional field data revealed one part with cracks in the second carrier. August 25, 2021, Porsche decided to conduct a voluntary safety recall out of abundance of caution. I'm not so sure. If it's a voluntary recall and "out of an abundance of caution", then it would be quite easy for them to say something along the lines of "the more temperate climate in the UK is less conducive to cracks forming and we do not feel it necessary to replace parts in the UK market". I'm not holding my breath! After I bought my car I had issues with a sticky brake pedal which I felt was a definite safety issue. The OPC I went to said it wasn't a recall item and that if I wanted it fixed, I'd have to pay up. Is this something others got fixed for free?

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anonymous said: [redacted] Can you imagine the cost of recalling all 2012-2015 Boxsters and Caymen out there worldwide? Using stats I found here https://www.statista.com/statistics/462917/worldwi... let's say it's an average of 22,000 per year, so 88,000 cars in total. Lets say the cost per vehicle to perform the recall is £100 for the admin to trace and write to owners and to continue this for every car that changes hands and hasn't had the work done. Let's say the cost of the parts is £250, and it takes two hours at £100ph to fit. So that's £550 per car. Or £48M total. Now let's say they do nothing, and one car out of 100 has a part that actually fails. And out of those, one in one hundred causes an accident where one person is killed. That's 8.8 accidents, or 9, because I've never seen an eighth of an accident in the wild. And they have to pay a million pound compensation to the family of the person who died. That's a risk of £9M vs £48M that they would have to pay to carry out the recall. Of course then there's reputational damage to account for. But will people stop buying 911s because they heard that the suspension carrier on a few Boxsters failed? I doubt it. Obviously I've completely guessed at the costs involved. But I think I've overestimated the number of deaths and I've underestimated the costs of the recall, so I do believe that a recall would be much more expensive than paying compensation.

LunarOne said: Can you imagine the cost of recalling all 2012-2015 Boxsters and Caymen out there worldwide? Using stats I found here https://www.statista.com/statistics/462917/worldwi... let's say it's an average of 22,000 per year, so 88,000 cars in total. Lets say the cost per vehicle to perform the recall is £100 for the admin to trace and write to owners and to continue this for every car that changes hands and hasn't had the work done. Let's say the cost of the parts is £250, and it takes two hours at £100ph to fit. So that's £550 per car. Or £48M total. Now let's say they do nothing, and one car out of 100 has a part that actually fails. And out of those, one in one hundred causes an accident where one person is killed. That's 8.8 accidents, or 9, because I've never seen an eighth of an accident in the wild. And they have to pay a million pound compensation to the family of the person who died. That's a risk of £9M vs £48M that they would have to pay to carry out the recall. Of course then there's reputational damage to account for. But will people stop buying 911s because they heard that the suspension carrier on a few Boxsters failed? I doubt it. Obviously I've completely guessed at the costs involved. But I think I've overestimated the number of deaths and I've underestimated the costs of the recall, so I do believe that a recall would be much more expensive than paying compensation. Well firstly it's not ALL the 981 Boxsters and Caymans they've manufactured between 2012 and 2015 , decent quality control and the data it produces enables them to identify the exact batches of components used and the individual cars they were fitted too. So that immediately reduces the financial outlay required to fix the problem, but you're also assuming Porsche AG will be paying, they won't, the company that supplied the components will, and in turn the company that supplied the raw material to the company that manufactured them, will most likely find themselves staring down the barrel of a very large claim for supplying substandard alloy into the production chain/process, but all such suppliers should will have liability insurance for just this scenario, it'll be a condition of the supply contract, that any company supplying VAG has Euro 100M worth of cover (or likely more) But Porsche will have also crunched the numbers and worked out the chances of a total failure of the component/s in question, they no doubt have a percentage figure at which point they say it's not worth a recall, because statistically the chances of the part failing are so small, it doesn't warrant the cost of a recall. Clearly in this instance the case for a recall is being made to sound borderline, but they'll also be aware of just how litigious The US of A is, and the board of VAG/Porsche AG will be mindful that the VAG hasn't exactly covered itself in glory over the past 6 years ... so it's better to err on the side of caution in such matters. But as others have rightly pointed out, once the precedent has been set, it becomes increasing difficult to deny culpability in other legal jurisdictions when you've already admitted there's a problem you felt the need to issue a recall notice on ...

LunarOne said: anonymous said: [redacted] Can you imagine the cost of recalling all 2012-2015 Boxsters and Caymen out there worldwide? Using stats I found here https://www.statista.com/statistics/462917/worldwi... let's say it's an average of 22,000 per year, so 88,000 cars in total. Lets say the cost per vehicle to perform the recall is £100 for the admin to trace and write to owners and to continue this for every car that changes hands and hasn't had the work done. Let's say the cost of the parts is £250, and it takes two hours at £100ph to fit. So that's £550 per car. Or £48M total. Now let's say they do nothing, and one car out of 100 has a part that actually fails. And out of those, one in one hundred causes an accident where one person is killed. That's 8.8 accidents, or 9, because I've never seen an eighth of an accident in the wild. And they have to pay a million pound compensation to the family of the person who died. That's a risk of £9M vs £48M that they would have to pay to carry out the recall. Of course then there's reputational damage to account for. But will people stop buying 911s because they heard that the suspension carrier on a few Boxsters failed? I doubt it. Obviously I've completely guessed at the costs involved. But I think I've overestimated the number of deaths and I've underestimated the costs of the recall, so I do believe that a recall would be much more expensive than paying compensation. Great theory, but £50M is loose change to Porsche. You could well argue that just because someone has it it doesn't mean they want to part with it but that theory is also flawed. They would play this out that they think so much of their customers that they will do anything to make sure they are happy and safe. People will remember that and forget their cars were potentially unsafe and they will turn it into good publicity, work a deal out with all concerned to reduce their costs, get it done and move on.

981Boxess said: reat theory, but £50M is loose change to Porsche. Not when you've already shelled out over $33 billion over the last 6 years, because you've cheated emissions laws, it ain't. Rest assured, Porsche like all the big automotive manufacturers will have weighed up the cost vs customer safety, rather than automatically deciding on a recall. If they were to do as you suggest, the brake pedal bush issue would, without a shadow of a doubt been subject to an official recall.

Slippydiff said: Rest assured, Porsche like all the big automotive manufacturers will have weighed up the cost vs customer safety, rather than automatically deciding on a recall. I wasn't suggesting they flipped a coin and decided to do a recall. The only thing they are concerned about is money and they are looking to get out of this the cheapest way - obviously. All it would take is a few bad accidents with equally bad photos and in the world we live in today your gran would know about it before midday the next day. If that were to happen between claims, recalls and overall damage to the brand the costs would make the cost of just the recall look like a bargain. It is obviously serious enough for them to have to gone public with it and that means they have no choice other than to foot the bill to make this go away. The only thing they can possibly get out of this is come across as a great manufacturer that puts customer care/safety at the top of their list, they may as well get something out of it. Meanwhile here in the UK we still don't know if that same part is fitted to our cars, it probably is but until that is confirmed this may not even affect us.

981Boxess said: Meanwhile here in the UK we still don't know if that same part is fitted to our cars, it probably is but until that is confirmed this may not even affect us. I'm sure we will be affected even if there is no recall program in the UK. Looking at the Porsche parts catalogue at https://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/c... I see that the original rear axle side carrier parts have been discontinued and replaced. It's part (5) in the diagram and parts list. I'd bet the original parts are the ones which have been shown to be potentially defective: Looking at the parts like that, I think it's going to be an expensive part and quite involved to fit as it will require much of the rear suspension to be removed. Probably a full day's labour at the minimum. Edited by LunarOne on Thursday 16th September 23:20

LunarOne said: I see that the original rear axle side carrier parts have been discontinued and replaced. It's part (5) in the diagram and parts list. I'd bet the original parts are the ones which have been shown to be potentially defective: That may well turn out to be the case but not necessarily. What sometimes happens is a manufacturer is contracted to supply a certain number of parts at an agreed price. When those come to an end they do a deal for a second batch and someone else chucks their hat in the ring and also quotes. At that point the manufacturer may change for no reason other than price and they invariably supersede the part number to tell which is which. The original manufacturer may have had a quality control issue with only part of the first supply and then batch numbers kick in to try and separate the good from bad.

I have emailed both the supplying dealer and Porsche GB. Dealer aware of US recall, Porsche GB will reply within next 7 days

I've been allocated a "case number", which doubtless is just an enquiry number, by Porsche UK and a further reply: "I have asked our warranty department for advice on your enquiry. Once I have received further information, I will be in contact with you." Car is out of warranty, but I guess this dept. deals with recalls too. I've replied asking for clarification.

Further, from PGB: "Our warranty department have come back and advised that your vehicle was manufactured outside of the time period relating to the campaign. In this instance, your vehicle does not require the recall." Note the word "campaign". I have replied: "By referring to "the campaign" I take it there is now a UK recall? Could you provide the details please, including the date ranges of cars involved and any other identifying factors? OPC Leicester today advise my car's date of manufacture is 12/05/2014. The date range for affected US Cayman 981 2.7 models is 18/01/2013 to 31/07/2014. My car is within that date range. Please see the US NHTSA recall report confirming this date range, here: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V67... Please check and advise again if my car is affected. Also, please see attached photo, posted today by a UK 2014 981 Cayman S owner. The axle carrier failed May 2020. He lived to tell the tale. Please take this matter seriously." Edited by DJMC on Monday 20th September 16:13

@SpartaThisIs I take it you have now taken this up with PGB? Could you let us know what they say please? Also, anyone else receiving replies, please post here what PGB are saying?

DJMC said: Also, anyone else receiving replies, please post here what PGB are saying? I was just told the UK build periods affected are: Between - September 2012 and February 2013 Between - April 2014 and July 2014 No exact dates were specified.

DJMC said: OPC Leicester today advise my car's date of manufacture is 12/05/2014. See above

981Boxess said: ee above Were you told that by an OPC or by PGB? Thanks.

DJMC said: Were you told that by an OPC or by PGB? Thanks. By Phone: Porsche Customer Interaction Centre On behalf of Porsche Cars Great Britain Limited Bath Road, Calcot, Reading RG31 7SE Phone: 03457 911 911

DJMC said: Further, from PGB: "Our warranty department have come back and advised that your vehicle was manufactured outside of the time period relating to the campaign. In this instance, your vehicle does not require the recall." Note the word "campaign". I have replied: "By referring to "the campaign" I take it there is now a UK recall? Could you provide the details please, including the date ranges of cars involved and any other identifying factors? OPC Leicester today advise my car's date of manufacture is 12/05/2014. The date range for affected US Cayman 981 2.7 models is 18/01/2013 to 31/07/2014. My car is within that date range. Please see the US NHTSA recall report confirming this date range, here: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V67... Please check and advise again if my car is affected. Also, please see attached photo, posted today by a UK 2014 981 Cayman S owner. The axle carrier failed May 2020. He lived to tell the tale. Please take this matter seriously." Edited by DJMC on Monday 20th September 16:13 I have also received the email from HQ stating that a campaign is starting

SpartaThisIs said: Anyone think I can get compo for the trauma I still suffer? Puts compo face on. No. But it's a shame you didn't pay top whack for new replacements at your OPC, with newly revised parts. You could have simply asked them to refund you once recalled. I can see PGB wriggling out of your cheaper used parts repair as "not a proper repair carried out at an OPC." I'd be suing PGB in this case as it's their part failure that caused you to take such a reasonable alternative remedy. Plus they'd still need to rectify your car in the recall. Do you have legal expenses cover on your car insurance? Might be time to take some advice.

anonymous said: [redacted] So far for obvious reasons there is plenty of guesswork going on but there are couple of assumptions being made that are not a given. Firstly that the US part is the same as the UK park, it may well be but I haven't read anything anywhere that confirms that 100% and secondly that there was only one supplier? There is mention that a certain supplier manufactured the part that fails, that is not to say another supplier made the others that are not failing. Once some accurate info gets released/found out we will all know more, in the meantime this net traffic can only be a good thing for owners.

anonymous said: [redacted] You are confusing two different things I have said, there could be one part type for the whole world, it could still be supplied by two different suppliers, that happens all the time. There could also be a difference in the UK/US part for all sorts of reasons, the fact we don't think so doesn't mean it isn't so. It is no big deal to fit different parts for different markets on the same production line, that is how you can end up with LHD and RHD cars coming off the same line.

anonymous said: [redacted] I didn't say that either, can you not see the words "could" and "may", they are in there for a reason.

anonymous said: [redacted] If the part is identical to the one used for the US market then we are all in the same boat. If we are all in the same boat are they all faulty, who knows. Porsche will want to get out of this the cheapest way (obviously) so they will want to be able to identify the bad ones to cut their costs. I would prefer every single 981 out there has the affected part because then we would all be sure we end up driving safe cars. In theory my car is out of the affected range, but is it (?), who knows.

anonymous said: [redacted] Yes, I'm in the UK.

981Boxess said: anonymous said: [redacted] You are confusing two different things I have said, there could be one part type for the whole world, it could still be supplied by two different suppliers, that happens all the time. There could also be a difference in the UK/US part for all sorts of reasons, the fact we don't think so doesn't mean it isn't so. It is no big deal to fit different parts for different markets on the same production line, that is how you can end up with LHD and RHD cars coming off the same line. If the part is not the same for US and UK/Europe markets, then they would have different Porsche part numbers. You can't have two items which differ but share the same part number. And since there is only one part number (albeit two revisions) for all markets, then the same part is used. My car is a Boxster S which apparently falls within the date range. I don't know when it was manufactured (at least I can't find it on the build sheet) but it was first registered in Feb 2014 and the build sheet has "model year 2014" printed at the top. It's going in to Porsche service centre Brooklands next week for an unrelated matter, so I shall ask them about it. Perhaps I'll delay the booking if there is a recall going on, so that I can get all the work done during one visit.

LunarOne said: If the part is not the same for US and UK/Europe markets, then they would have different Porsche part numbers. You can't have two items which differ but share the same part number. And since there is only one part number (albeit two revisions) for all markets, then the same part is used. That is correct, but I hadn't read anywhere that this had been narrowed down to one specific part number, if it has then that is one variable out, which is a start. One part number does not mean only one supplier though.

981Boxess said: anonymous said: [redacted] If the part is identical to the one used for the US market then we are all in the same boat. If we are all in the same boat are they all faulty, who knows. Porsche will want to get out of this the cheapest way (obviously) so they will want to be able to identify the bad ones to cut their costs. I would prefer every single 981 out there has the affected part because then we would all be sure we end up driving safe cars. In theory my car is out of the affected range, but is it (?), who knows. We do know that. I posted the Porsche GB parts catalogue parts and images on page 2 and the part numbers are: 981331051.05 Side part Left 981331052.05 Side part Right 981331051.06 Side part Left (updated) 981331052.06 Side part Right (updated) And now looking at the Porsche USA parts catalogue for my car (2014 Boxster S) at: https://shop.porscheusa.com/2014-porsche-boxster-s... I see updated revisions: 981331051.07 Sidemember Left 981331052.07 Sidemember Right So it is possible that US cars got a revised part that is weaker. Or it could mean that only the revised part which is not prone to failure is shown in the USA parts catalogue to prevent people accidentally ordering or substituting faulty parts. ETA: If I search for the UK parts (either rev 05 or 06) on the US parts catalogue I get No Results for "98133105205". Omitting the two revision digits at the end does find the .07 parts. Edited by LunarOne on Tuesday 21st September 12:49

And now we know that the U.S. retail price for the parts without any fittings or labour is $1450. So about $100 cost to Porsche?

I can’t see Porsche opting to be too picky over replacement parts like the paint issue described above. If a U.K. motorist was killed because he’d been denied the replacement, all it would take would be that story to make the news. A ‘loving father of 3 killed when Porsche denied replacement of known faulty, safety critical parts ’ wouldn’t bode well for them. Interesting to hear that PGB seem to think that there’s a gap in the manufacturing timeline that isn’t affected. How do we find the build-date? Mine is an Oct 2013 build, MY2014, but obviously the build date was some time before..

Porsche VIN decoder, scroll to EU/rest of world to see manufacture date. You will need your VIN of course https://www.stuttcars.com/technical/vin-decoder/

Just in from PGB: "Thank you for your email. We are aware of the recall and the vehicle affected. These customers are being contacted directly to have this rectified. The date range that we have been provided is slightly different to the US date range. As I previously mentioned, your vehicle is not within the affected date range and is not affected by the recall. If you feel there is a fault with your vehicle, please contact your preferred Porsche Centre to have this investigated. Kind regards Lucy Hockley Personal Case Manager Porsche Customer Interaction Centre On behalf of Porsche Cars Great Britain Limited Bath Road, Calcot, Reading RG31 7SE"

Just noticed the code on mine, 981.331.151.06, doesn't match up with the UK code? Am I misreading? Edit: Posted a search of the number into Google and it links to a US site, but also to a Polish one? Clearly the same part put in ALL cars in the time frame, but the number is now different. https://www.partssociety.com/collections/all/produ... https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/mocowanie-wozka... Edited by SpartaThisIs on Tuesday 21st September 14:36

anonymous said: [redacted] Sorry, just realised it doesn't provide the month.

DJMC said: Just in from PGB: "Thank you for your email. We are aware of the recall and the vehicle affected. These customers are being contacted directly to have this rectified. The date range that we have been provided is slightly different to the US date range. As I previously mentioned, your vehicle is not within the affected date range and is not affected by the recall. If you feel there is a fault with your vehicle, please contact your preferred Porsche Centre to have this investigated. Kind regards Lucy Hockley Personal Case Manager Porsche Customer Interaction Centre On behalf of Porsche Cars Great Britain Limited Bath Road, Calcot, Reading RG31 7SE" Can they provide specific part number/codes that are affected? Just posted the code of the failed one and it doesn't match the UK part number now available. We shouldn't have to jack the car up to check the number but it might provide clarity if they have a code for faulty ones.

SpartaThisIs said: Just noticed the code on mine, 981.331.151.06, doesn't match up with the UK code? Am I misreading? Edit: Posted a search of the number into Google and it links to a US site, but also to a Polish one? Clearly the same part put in ALL cars in the time frame, but the number is now different. https://www.partssociety.com/collections/all/produ... https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/mocowanie-wozka... 981331051.06 is the part number for the updated (but not necessarily the latest) left hand bracket listed on the UK parts PDF. See my post above.

At the bottom of the US recall notice (here: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V67... ) there is the following text: I'm not sure why the supplier being changed since early 2019 has any relevance? If there was just one supplier 2012-2019 it must be the case that only some of its supplied parts were out of spec. This is quite possible as parts are made using differing batches and mixes of raw materials by suppliers and it may be the recipe wasn't quite right on occasion. The change of supplier would have been for another reason, perhaps cost, but it adds to suspicion. What it still doesn't explain is why the US and UK date ranges don't align.

LunarOne said: 981331051.06 is the part number for the updated (but not necessarily the latest) left hand bracket listed on the UK parts PDF. See my post above. 151.06 not 051.06

DJMC said: This is quite possible as parts are made using differing batches and mixes of raw materials by suppliers and it may be the recipe wasn't quite right on occasion. It states that in the same article: Material analysis indicates that on certain component production dates the proportion of strontium in the cast component rear-axle carrier side section exceeds the specified threshold. This results in a deterioration of the material properties.

LunarOne said: I see updated revisions: 981331051.07 Sidemember Left 981331052.07 Sidemember Right Replaced by 981 331 051/052 08 apparently: https://www.harperautoparts.com/oem-parts/porsche-...

anonymous said: [redacted] There are, look at the two circles on the first photo posted by SpartaThisIs

anonymous said: [redacted] What, like these Ant ? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised/shocked at just how accurately the likes of VAG can trace parts, both where they came from (and when) AND exactly which cars they were fitted to on the production line and when. It's a necessity in modern manufacturing. Rest assured, Porsche will know precisely how many cars are affected, whether they were destined for the UK, the US or indeed the ROW.

anonymous said: [redacted] They sometimes have hands like a clock, sometimes dots, sometimes digits and letters, sometimes codes so whoever sees them cannot work out they are old stock. I have never seen any casting like this without them.

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