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Which should I go for? I previously had a 997 C2S and a 996 Turbo (remapped, short-shift) and after a 3 year break due to working abroad, it's time to get back into a 911. I know I want a manual car and a remap and short-shift are on the cards. While I prefer the look of the later 997, particularly the rear lights, I'm drawn to the idea of the Mezger engine of an earlier car. I'd appreciate any info from anyone with knowledge or experience of the pros or cons of both cars. I'd probably be more than happy to get back into a 996 turbo if the seats hadn't been such an uncomfortable fit for me.

There are quite a few threads on the search function. Here is one: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=124... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=122... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=891... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=130... etc. Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 28th August 19:37

Gen 2 - manual

Thanks Carl. Had found a couple of those threads but the others were new to me. Seems a lot of folk are big fans of the 997 turbo in Gen2 PDK guise as the S. I had a go in one at a Porsche Silverstone event and have to say it left me cold. Fast yes, fun no. Felt like the car was doing it all for me and left me feeling a bit queasy and like I was at Alton Towers. Same reason I got rid of a GTR to keep my 996 turbo. I think everyone has a different pinnacle in the evolution of their favourite car. There are probably many who reject water-cooling and stability management who find a 996 too sterile. For me, a 993, stunning as it is, would be a bit too committed and the current cars a bit too clever. So, I know I want a manual car, no PTV, active engine mounts etc etc. Looks like a gen 1 is the way to go (or get some 997 seats in a nice late 996). Think I need to get back in a couple and see if I still have the love - my tastes may have been recalibrated a bit by having an Elise as my current wheels.

I had the same dilemma, had to be manual for me, I ended up getting a very late gen. 1 with the updated satnav. Having driven both in manual just didn't think the price difference was justified, I think the main gen 2 buying point is the pdk, which I didn't want. I also think the mezger engine will hold it's value well. Edited by moc on Friday 29th August 13:38

When I started searching for a 997 turbo (my first Porsche of any kind!) not so long ago it was a gen 1 tip I was after, partialy as I did not want to spend much over 50k. I decided to drive the gen 2 pdk car, and an S to compare to the gen 1. Needless to say, I very quickly decided it was the gen 2 I would be buying. Even from 20 minutes of driving it was obvious the later car is streets ahead- pdk is on another level to the tip, extra power, better exhaust note, the car felt lighter, better handling and just a better put together package. 2/3 years ago it would have been harder to justify, but considering the cost of the late gen 1 OPC cars (often not far off 60k) compared to gen 2, the gen 2 certainly makes sense to me and in 2014 is the car to go for. The S is a further premium on top of that, which for me was not justtified at all- the standard gen 2 car already exceeded all my expectations and is bonkers fast! A shame there are so few of them for sale, and often none in the OPC under 75k....I will have to be patient for the colour/spec I want.

Chad_Hugo said: When I started searching for a 997 turbo (my first Porsche of any kind!) not so long ago it was a gen 1 tip I was after, partialy as I did not want to spend much over 50k. I decided to drive the gen 2 pdk car, and an S to compare to the gen 1. Needless to say, I very quickly decided it was the gen 2 I would be buying. Even from 20 minutes of driving it was obvious the later car is streets ahead- pdk is on another level to the tip, extra power, better exhaust note, the car felt lighter, better handling and just a better put together package. 2/3 years ago it would have been harder to justify, but considering the cost of the late gen 1 OPC cars (often not far off 60k) compared to gen 2, the gen 2 certainly makes sense to me and in 2014 is the car to go for. The S is a further premium on top of that, which for me was not justtified at all- the standard gen 2 car already exceeded all my expectations and is bonkers fast! A shame there are so few of them for sale, and often none in the OPC under 75k....I will have to be patient for the colour/spec I want. Would you not consider a manual car? A gen 2 turbo is currently on my short list,but I must say I am drawn towards a manual, though I will be driving a Pdk car for comparison. Paul

moc said: I had the same dilemma, had to be manual for me, I ended up getting a very late gen. 1 with the updated satnav. Having driven both in manual just didn't think the price difference was justified, I think the main gen 2 buying point is the pdk, which I didn't want. I also think the mezger engine will hold it's value well. Edited by moc on Friday 29th August 13:38 +1 Exactly what I bought too. The Mezger engine plus the updated interior, best of both worlds IMHO. Although there aren't that many around (late 08/early 09 cars). From what I've read it comes down to whether you want an auto or a spanish box. If you want an auto then the gen 2 PDK is way better than the gen 1 Tiptronic, but in manuel form I don't think there's a lot in it and I was happier to go for the well proven mezger over the later (then unproven) DFI unit. Drive both, see what works for you. Both are stupendously fast, especially in overboost, handle amazingly well and are bizarrely practical (mine's a daily drive). When you find "the one" you will know it :-) G

paul0843 said: Chad_Hugo said: When I started searching for a 997 turbo (my first Porsche of any kind!) not so long ago it was a gen 1 tip I was after, partialy as I did not want to spend much over 50k. I decided to drive the gen 2 pdk car, and an S to compare to the gen 1. Needless to say, I very quickly decided it was the gen 2 I would be buying. Even from 20 minutes of driving it was obvious the later car is streets ahead- pdk is on another level to the tip, extra power, better exhaust note, the car felt lighter, better handling and just a better put together package. 2/3 years ago it would have been harder to justify, but considering the cost of the late gen 1 OPC cars (often not far off 60k) compared to gen 2, the gen 2 certainly makes sense to me and in 2014 is the car to go for. The S is a further premium on top of that, which for me was not justtified at all- the standard gen 2 car already exceeded all my expectations and is bonkers fast! A shame there are so few of them for sale, and often none in the OPC under 75k....I will have to be patient for the colour/spec I want. Would you not consider a manual car? A gen 2 turbo is currently on my short list,but I must say I am drawn towards a manual, though I will be driving a Pdk car for comparison. Paul PDK Gen 2 is the only one for me- I think it suits the DFI engine better, and PDK+launch control/sports plus just has to be experienced to be believed! The phrase holding on for dear life comes to mind.... , and that's coming from someone who's last car was a C63. The other thing pushing me in the direction of a gen 2 pdk vs gen 1 tip is that looking at trade values and what cars could potentialy be sold for privately short/mid term, yes a gen 2 will cost more to buy of course being the newer car but in terms of depreciation any extra loss will be negligeable maybe a few k over a late 08/09 top spec gen 1 car. Even gen 2 manual vs gen 1 manual the gen 2 to me makes more sense at present- the gen 2 manuals are cheaper than pdk and I have seen cars just under 60k, so again it's not a massive premium you pay. Mezger engine is more mod friendly apparently and handles the extra power very wel so if you want to go down that road then I suppose gen 1 would be more suited?

The manual V PDK question has been done to death. You need to make that decision for yourself, by driving a number of each car. If you are in the market there are plenty of dealers that will happily take you out in these cars. Get a feel for them. When I bougth mine the Gen.2 was out of my price range, but I wanted a Metzger engine. I never drove a Gen.2 so I can't comment on what they are like to drive (they do have better fuel economy though than the gen.1 :-) Having driven PDK cars, I am a fan, but would I have that gearbox in my Turbo, I think not. No matter how good these gearboxes are, they still take away from the driving experience, so my personal preference (and that's what it is for everyone) is a manual gearbox. Only you can and should decide that for yourself. What a nice 'problem' to have eh? Have fun looking.

No doubt for me on the manual vs non-manual, just gen 1 or gen 2, that is the question. I'm not against either autos or DCTs in principle but, for me, it has to suit the nature of the car. I enjoy driving the wife's Gran Turismo because the auto box (with paddles) really suits the car. On the other hand, my Elise would be an abomination with anything other than a manual. For me a 911 without a stick, whether tiptronic or PDK, is kind of missing the point but, as has been remarked, that's personal preference. I appreciate a gen 2 PDK car is a real weapon but it's not just about the numbers. All posts very helpful, thanks. Think I'll be looking for an 08/09 manual, has to be silver with black interior. Probably a greater selection of 06/07 cars in that spec so that would be the other option. What I'd really like is a GT2 but then wouldn't we all? Only have an A level in man maths and that would be a degree-level investment.

Enjoy the search, I recently bought a 2008 997.1 turbo manual with sports shifter 997.2 with PDK was beyond my budget, and I would not conisder a tip as I really dislike the box, plus wanted Mezger - I reckon the manual Mezger cars in good colours will hold value pretty well. Red rear lights were an option on gen 1 so easy to swap if you cannot find one with this option fitted

Defo go for an 08/09 late gen 1 car if you want a manual. Proper dry sump engine. I've not seen many late gen 1 cars for sale though that look good. Try and get a late car with LSD and ceramics - rare as hens teeth options although many people stay away from ceramics I'm sick to death of cleaning brake dust - patience is a virtue!

If you are seeking a manual, then in terms of initial outlay and residuals a late 997.1 Turbo makes perfect sense, as people have said. Having had both Gen 1 and 2 though, it is worth pointing out that Porsche polished the car in all areas. So for me, it's not just a case of a gearbox choice, the Gen 2 car is better car full stop. For me, the PDK takes the car to a different level, and for me embodies the technological tour de force reputation that the 911 Turbo has. I'd argue if you want a pure driving experience, get the GT3. However, the Gen 2 Turbo is more overtly sporting than the Gen 1 and far more engaging as a result.

hondansx said: If you are seeking a manual, then in terms of initial outlay and residuals a late 997.1 Turbo makes perfect sense, as people have said. Having had both Gen 1 and 2 though, it is worth pointing out that Porsche polished the car in all areas. So for me, it's not just a case of a gearbox choice, the Gen 2 car is better car full stop. For me, the PDK takes the car to a different level, and for me embodies the technological tour de force reputation that the 911 Turbo has. I'd argue if you want a pure driving experience, get the GT3. However, the Gen 2 Turbo is more overtly sporting than the Gen 1 and far more engaging as a result. I'd agree with this. The gen 2 manual is a better steer - the steering/handling is far more precise and less woolly but for the price difference I still think a late gen 1 is the way to go if you want a manual - they're cheaper too but I think this will reverse as they get older as far as manuals are concerned.

High spec/reasonable miles/good colour versions post 2007 gen 1 and 2010/2011 gen 2 cars should do well value wise, neither will lose a massive amount and both imo are a very good buy now. Anyone who has viewed some cars will also know that the number of really good cars out there is not that high, there is OPC and the well known specialists of which there are 3-4- not many cars between them and very very few Gen 2 PDK available regardless of price- good for values! My search for a gen 2 car looks like it will take a while, can't find a single car with the colour/spec I want... Broadly on topic- does anyone know the number of UK 997 Turbo S cars vs. regular Turbo gen 2? I ask because over the last few months the number of Turbo S for sale and sold seems to be very high. I recall reading somewhere there were more of them than non turbo S which sounds a bit odd- is this true?

IMI A said: - they're cheaper too but I think this will reverse as they get older as far as manuals are concerned. just scanning the classifieds and like for like the tips look a little cheaper at the mo. For me much of this comes down whats the budget, at c.£40K the gen 1 looks abit of a bargain.

Chad_Hugo said: Anyone who has viewed some cars will also know that the number of really good cars out there is not that high, there is OPC and the well known specialists of which there are 3-4- not many cars between them and very very few Gen 2 PDK available regardless of price- good for values! My search for a gen 2 car looks like it will take a while, can't find a single car with the colour/spec I want... Fair point. In fact, i noticed 6 months later after getting the Turbo S that OPCs were charging the same if no more for cars with more miles than ours!

hugedouche said: IMI A said: - they're cheaper too but I think this will reverse as they get older as far as manuals are concerned. just scanning the classifieds and like for like the tips look a little cheaper at the mo. For me much of this comes down whats the budget, at c.£40K the gen 1 looks abit of a bargain. sorry I meant gen 1 vs gen 2 not tips vs manuals!!

Chad_Hugo said: High spec/reasonable miles/good colour versions post 2007 gen 1 and 2010/2011 gen 2 cars should do well value wise, neither will lose a massive amount and both imo are a very good buy now. Anyone who has viewed some cars will also know that the number of really good cars out there is not that high, there is OPC and the well known specialists of which there are 3-4- not many cars between them and very very few Gen 2 PDK available regardless of price- good for values! My search for a gen 2 car looks like it will take a while, can't find a single car with the colour/spec I want... Broadly on topic- does anyone know the number of UK 997 Turbo S cars vs. regular Turbo gen 2? I ask because over the last few months the number of Turbo S for sale and sold seems to be very high. I recall reading somewhere there were more of them than non turbo S which sounds a bit odd- is this true? Like yourself, I was looking for a Gen2 Turbo and as you have already commented on there "appears to be more "S" for sale than non "S". My daily was a Gen1 Turbo Man, and as the only available cars (at the time) were "S", therefore that is what I test drove. As has already been commented upon within this thread and elsewhere, the difference between Gen1 and 2 really knocked me for six, I wasn't expecting anywhere near the level of improvement I witnessed. I would never have considered a Tip, but coming from a M3 SMG I wasn't unduly biased against paddleshifts. In this respect the PDK was a revelation. Long story short I placed a deposit and completed within the week. It truly is a car for all seasons, relaxed cruiser when in the mood, and rabid axe murderer when in a different mood. Possibly things have changed now, but a year ago "S" versions were not commanding much of a premium, and I was able to get into mine for sensible money. If you can get one for the right money, and don't object to PDK (try one before dismissing out of hand) the "S" is a bit of a no brainer as it has all the nice gadgets as standard. I wasn't able to get "Ideal spec" but I only compromised on rear wipe, despite what some say, I don't think they ruin the lines, and are definitely useful at times. If you don't mind me asking, what for you is essential, and what is preferred? Edited by FeelingLucky on Wednesday 3rd September 04:34

Late Gen 1 manuals holding up very well if not increasing in price

FeelingLucky said: Chad_Hugo said: High spec/reasonable miles/good colour versions post 2007 gen 1 and 2010/2011 gen 2 cars should do well value wise, neither will lose a massive amount and both imo are a very good buy now. Anyone who has viewed some cars will also know that the number of really good cars out there is not that high, there is OPC and the well known specialists of which there are 3-4- not many cars between them and very very few Gen 2 PDK available regardless of price- good for values! My search for a gen 2 car looks like it will take a while, can't find a single car with the colour/spec I want... Broadly on topic- does anyone know the number of UK 997 Turbo S cars vs. regular Turbo gen 2? I ask because over the last few months the number of Turbo S for sale and sold seems to be very high. I recall reading somewhere there were more of them than non turbo S which sounds a bit odd- is this true? Like yourself, I was looking for a Gen2 Turbo and as you have already commented on there "appears to be more "S" for sale than non "S". My daily was a Gen1 Turbo Man, and as the only available cars (at the time) were "S", therefore that is what I test drove. As has already been commented upon within this thread and elsewhere, the difference between Gen1 and 2 really knocked me for six, I wasn't expecting anywhere near the level of improvement I witnessed. I would never have considered a Tip, but coming from a M3 SMG I wasn't unduly biased against paddleshifts. In this respect the PDK was a revelation. Long story short I placed a deposit and completed within the week. It truly is a car for all seasons, relaxed cruiser when in the mood, and rabid axe murderer when in a different mood. Possibly things have changed now, but a year ago "S" versions were not commanding much of a premium, and I was able to get into mine for sensible money. If you can get one for the right money, and don't object to PDK (try one before dismissing out of hand) the "S" is a bit of a no brainer as it has all the nice gadgets as standard. I wasn't able to get "Ideal spec" but I only compromised on rear wipe, despite what some say, I don't think they ruin the lines, and are definitely useful at times. If you don't mind me asking, what for you is essential, and what is preferred? Edited by FeelingLucky on Wednesday 3rd September 04:34 Having driven a gen 1 tip, gen 2 pdk and 'S' it's definitely the gen 2 pdk I will be buying- PDK, PTV, launch control, 20bhp more, and a lighter, sharper, better handling car all round compared to the gen 1, it's not just a case of the pdk (which is superb) the car just felt like it had moved on and been generally improved. In sport/sports plus mode the exhaust note is also much nicer than the gen 1. I would be open to paying the extra 6k-10k for an S if it mean getting the colour/spec I want. My ideal spec would be GT/arctic silver, aero kit, standard wheels i.e. non spyder, black leather sub 30k miles. Warranty essential. I know this exact spec is not going to come up any time soon if at all. There is a serious lack of decent gen 2 cars, there's hardly any for sale period, let alone one's matching my specific requirements. I'm not keen on black cars, they hide the lines of the 997 too much and it's a stunningly beautiful car to me (doesn't get the credit it deserves), so IMO needs to be in a lighter colour. White is also definitely out as I am just not a fan of white cars period. The aero kit I would compromise on, would maybe consider a grey car (meteor grey metallic not atlas or slate). Enjoy your Turbo S- awesome car!

We've loved it, but some of you who are looking may be pleased to know that my local OPC will have our Turbo S soon. It is a grey one on 16k. Would love to see it go to a PH member. So there you go, some choice in the market!

That sounds perfect- would be in the region of 85k at OPC though I assume. I have set myself a max budget of around 75k which I really do want to stick to at this point Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham? I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car. Initial contact with the garage was far from promising , I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.

Chad_Hugo said: That sounds perfect- would be in the region of 85k at OPC though I assume. I have set myself a max budget of around 75k which I really do want to stick to at this point Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham? I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car. Initial contact with the garage was far from promising , I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years. I believe that car has popped up a few times on the classifieds. Its either been for sale for a while (6 months plus) or has been repeatedly re-advertised. The black turbo S cab at mid-sussex looks tidy. Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 16th September 20:32

Carl_Docklands said: Chad_Hugo said: That sounds perfect- would be in the region of 85k at OPC though I assume. I have set myself a max budget of around 75k which I really do want to stick to at this point Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham? I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car. Initial contact with the garage was far from promising , I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years. I believe that car has popped up a few times on the classifieds. Its either been for sale for a while (6 months plus) or has been repeatedly re-advertised. The black turbo S cab at mid-sussex looks tidy. Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 16th September 20:32 defo go opc for a late car

Carl_Docklands said: Chad_Hugo said: That sounds perfect- would be in the region of 85k at OPC though I assume. I have set myself a max budget of around 75k which I really do want to stick to at this point Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham? I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car. Initial contact with the garage was far from promising , I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years. I believe that car has popped up a few times on the classifieds. Its either been for sale for a while (6 months plus) or has been repeatedly re-advertised. The black turbo S cab at mid-sussex looks tidy. Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 16th September 20:32 It has been for sale since March/April time so yes, more than 6 months now. It has always been advertised with the same garage (automotive dreams), ad was down for some weeks this summer and I had assumed sold, but is back up now since last month. I would be interested to hear if anyone knows anything about the car? Unfortunately it does have the rear windscreen wiper, which ruins the lines of the car for me, but could potentially be removed? Other bad point is warranty has less than 6 months left. The guy I spoke to seemed disinterested and knew very little about the car, failed to get back to me with some pretty basic info as well, so not a good start, but if someone can verify it is a straight car, knows one of it's former keepers, has been to see it etc, it could still be worth looking at.... There is only one gen 2 OPC silver (preferred colour, especially arctic) car available around 75k at the moment- again has the rear wiper!!

Rear wiper not a problem with aero kit IMO.

I see your point, but for me with aero kit in a way it's more of an issue. The aero gives the rear of the car a much more aggressive appearance, to me it makes the rear wiper look even more out of place. The white Turbo S in Birmingham I was asking about was apparently on reg 45T- anyone know the car?

Well, since starting the thread in August I've been going around the houses about how to get back into a 911. Considered everything from a nice (and financially sensible) facelift 996 Carrera, 997 Carrera, 996 Turbo, 997 Turbo right up to 996 GT2. 997 GT2 unfortunately way out of reach. Even thought about swerving a 911 completely and getting an Exige S. Talk about all over the place. At various times they all made sense for various reasons - 996 turbo and GT2 (if you can find one that hasn't been through a hedge) depreciation proof, Carreras are a lot of car for the money. 997 Turbo good combination of decent interior, looks, modernity while still having a lot of the qualities which attract me to 911s before the advent of electric steering, PDK, PTV etc. In the end I've gone with my first instinct and opted for an 08 997 Turbo, short-shift manual, low miles, recent OPC car, nice spec. On the way to look at it, I did my best to convince myself that I wouldn't buy it and would go for a cheaper option. Then I made the mistake of driving it. Hadn't driven a 911 for nearly 4 years and it just felt right so that was the end of that - there is no substitute. Feels like I've found something that was missing. Pick it up tomorrow. Pics to follow. Thanks for the input.

well done - excellent choice and congrats 08 997 turbos with manual and sports shifter will be £100k next year, Hexagon told me

Congrats. Just do not take it anywhere near 9e. They will do evil things to it like replace the turbos, exhaust, intercoolers and suspension with GT2/RS bits. The end result is the spawn of the devil I tell thee.

IMI A trying desperately to keep mine stock, maybe just exhaust what is different about GT2 turbos? what mods are best bang for buck? Assume exhaust and remap?

Adam B said: IMI A trying desperately to keep mine stock, maybe just exhaust what is different about GT2 turbos? what mods are best bang for buck? Assume exhaust and remap? GT2 turbos give you a bit more power than stock turbos - 9e do not quote power figures but 650bhp from 2200 rpm probably about right give or take 30bhp and my car now covers 0-186mph in less than 28 secs (stock 41 secs) which is v.similar to GT2 RS performance. Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche. Yes best bang for buck is an exhaust and remap at £5k and up to 140mph its probably as quick as my car - if you mod you stock turbos by sending them to RS Tuning/Parr its a beautiful package. Speak to Lawrence at Parr or Ken at 9e. Shame not to use the full potential of the Mezger

Adam B said: 08 997 turbos with manual and sports shifter will be £100k next year, Hexagon told me They talk with forked tongue. It will be £200k with the 100% Hexagon tax!

IMIA said: Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche. You appear to have cured me, I am forever in your debt

Adam B said: IMIA said: Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche. You appear to have cured me, I am forever in your debt heres the end result. its rather rapid https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTtI_Rv8o54...

IMIA said: Adam B said: IMIA said: Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche. You appear to have cured me, I am forever in your debt heres the end result. its rather rapid https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTtI_Rv8o54... I am impressed

Callughan said: IMIA said: Adam B said: IMIA said: Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche. You appear to have cured me, I am forever in your debt heres the end result. its rather rapid https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTtI_Rv8o54... I am impressed As you're aware Cal I was so impressed I immediately sent my car to 9e. Having said that I will only believe it when I pull up next to a 991 turbo S myself at the next VMAX and show it a clean set of heels. Seat of the pants the 991 turbo S feels quicker to me but this also demonstrates that out of the box the 997 turbo's chassis can comfortably handle 650bhp. Few more pics

Here it is. As far as I know the car is on a standard map and I am finding it silly quick - much more than I expected. My previous 911 was a 996 turbo with a remap and I'm pretty sure this car is quicker. It's boosting to 1.0 bar if that's any indication of whether it's been remapped. I'm really impressed so far and can't think of anything that needs changing, apart from the knackered battery.

Saw the car for sale at Stratstone with the half leather if this is the same car

stuttgart737 said: Here it is. As far as I know the car is on a standard map and I am finding it silly quick - much more than I expected. My previous 911 was a 996 turbo with a remap and I'm pretty sure this car is quicker. It's boosting to 1.0 bar if that's any indication of whether it's been remapped. I'm really impressed so far and can't think of anything that needs changing, apart from the knackered battery. Cool. Time to go to Ken at 9e and get a decent sounding exhaust. Iirc 1.0 boost is more or less right for a standard 997 turbo. If the battery's knackered surely the dealer should have done that??

Seen Porsche crests on headrests but never in middle of back section like that, is it an OEM option ?

Yep it's already at the local OPC for a new battery (I'd rather have a Bosch Silver but it's still under an approved used warranty). Supplying dealer picking up the tab, thankfully. Seats are OEM, adaptive sports, half leather with alcantara (I think) centres. Originally had intentions of remapping it but in my short time with it so far, I can't imagine that I will ever need more power for road use - never thought I would say that! It's already got short-shift so the spec is pretty much as I would have chosen myself. Ideally, it would have been a slightly later car with PCM3 but the chances of getting that with all the other stuff could have meant quite a wait. All in all, I already get the feeling it's a keeper having really regretted selling the previous 996 turbo. I don't have the love for the more recent cars so I'm hoping the garage is now complete much to the relief of SWMBO. The last one.

Well, I thought it was a bit quick to be standard! Turns out it's running a stage 2 map which, with the Miltek exhaust, accounts for the cheeky performance. Have had it down to 9e to make sure the map's safe and to get a Sachs 890 clutch installed as the previous, standard item was not up to handling the increased torque. Seats are OEM adaptive sports but retrimmed with alcantara by Cobra. Really enjoying the car and, for me at least, it's the pinnacle of the 911 options. Never been in or on anything as quick. At mid £40s it even looks like good value compared with a 997 GT3 (£65k plus) or a decent 996 turbo at about £33k - if you can find one. Can't see me selling it for anything this side of a GT2. Happy days.

stuttgart737 said: Seats are OEM adaptive sports but retrimmed with alcantara by Cobra. aha, that makes sense, didn't want to disagree but I didn't think that crest was ever OEM why did you buy it from? bit cheeky if private and seller did not mention the remap

Got it from a non-specialist dealer and think they were unaware of the remap. Confirmed the car's history by contacting the previous owner. Has worked out fairly well as a map, exhaust and short-shift would have been on the cards at some stage anyway.

stuttgart737 said: Got it from a non-specialist dealer and think they were unaware of the remap. Confirmed the car's history by contacting the previous owner. Has worked out fairly well as a map, exhaust and short-shift would have been on the cards at some stage anyway. its got some lovely options. did ken tell you who carried out the remap?

He didn't know that but did a datalog for me and confirmed that the map was safe enough but running a bit rich at times. Think I'll go with a 9e map at some stage and possibly upgraded intercoolers. Not sure I'd go as far as hybrid turbos as the acceleration is fairly mental as it is.

stuttgart737 said: He didn't know that but did a datalog for me and confirmed that the map was safe enough but running a bit rich at times. Think I'll go with a 9e map at some stage and possibly upgraded intercoolers. Not sure I'd go as far as hybrid turbos as the acceleration is fairly mental as it is. There's no substitute for power lol and I agree they're pretty quick on oem turbos out of the box.