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Sweet 996 turbo for sale. Looks tremendous value too against 993 turbo. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Let's see if it sells!

Ruffled leather. The kiss of death! Does look a beautiful example.

4 services in 12 years? Is this forgivable given the low mileage?

seems very ambitious

Not at that price IMO. Only looked at the pics

Would of been nice to have bought off the actual owner at a fair price rather than the stealers inflated price. 15k overpriced????

Moody history and £55k? Good luck with that.

That price does seem a bit 'firm', but no doubting it 996 turbo values definitely strengthening - I know of one turbo with low miles (20k) that went for nearly £40k last week £54k a bit much though IMO

4 service stamps!! I know it's only done 14k but an 02 car should have been serviced more than that. I'm sure it's lovely and looks nice with the aerokit, but £55k is high end Gen1 997tt money.... I know which I'd rather have.

Shewie said: 4 service stamps!! I know it's only done 14k but an 02 car should have been serviced more than that. I'm sure it's lovely and looks nice with the aerokit, but £55k is high end Gen1 997tt money.... I know which I'd rather have. I have a gen 1 997t and love it to bits. The 996t is superior in quite a few departments though. the 4wd system is more predictable than the 997 and feels rwd most of the time. The conventional turbos are less problematic than VTGs on 997 and the 996 steering is also better. The interior is not as good but thats about it. Looks wise I think they both look superb. 996t looks brill in silver.

Apparently it sold just over 2 years ago for a tad under £40K...

IMI A said: I have a gen 1 997t and love it to bits. The 996t is superior in quite a few departments though. the 4wd system is more predictable than the 997 and feels rwd most of the time. The conventional turbos are less problematic than VTGs on 997 and the 996 steering is also better. The interior is not as good but thats about it. Looks wise I think they both look superb. 996t looks brill in silver. About as objective a comparison as I've read from a 997tt owner !

Price laughable but he who dares...... Hope prices do go up as it will have a knock on effect on 997t I suspect Maybe £50k would be understandable if it was a 2005 turbo S with a proper service record and no ghastly ruffled leather

I quite like the leather

I like the ruffled leather too.

IMI A said: The 996t is superior in quite a few departments though. the 4wd system is more predictable than the 997 and feels rwd most of the time. The conventional turbos are less problematic than VTGs on 997 and the 996 steering is also better. The interior is not as good but thats about it. Looks wise I think they both look superb. 996t looks brill in silver. It's horses for courses with our cars. Some like the 996 some like the 997. Having driven both I'm glad I went for a 997. Less lag more power more powerful brakes and the front end bob is less on the 997's I have driven. Still both great cars but £50+ for a 996 Turbo seems unlikely. Still hope they are on the up as 997 Turbo prices will be pushed up too and I may just have brought at the right time but I'm not holding my breath.

Matt Seabrook said: IMI A said: The 996t is superior in quite a few departments though. the 4wd system is more predictable than the 997 and feels rwd most of the time. The conventional turbos are less problematic than VTGs on 997 and the 996 steering is also better. The interior is not as good but thats about it. Looks wise I think they both look superb. 996t looks brill in silver. It's horses for courses with our cars. Some like the 996 some like the 997. Having driven both I'm glad I went for a 997. Less lag more power more powerful brakes and the front end bob is less on the 997's I have driven. Still both great cars but £50+ for a 996 Turbo seems unlikely. Still hope they are on the up as 997 Turbo prices will be pushed up too and I may just have brought at the right time but I'm not holding my breath. non X50 996 turbo aren't really all that more laggy than a 997 turbo. Brakes I agree could be better in 996 but thats an easy and common mod to upgrade to 997t brakes. Good low mileage cars of both varieties will be on the up in my view.

Its the 996 turbo that remains the stand out version of all the 911 turbo for many different reasons, it blew the minds of the press and made a huge impact when it was first released and pretty much ALL journalists still prefer the 996t to 997t for a variety of reasons. The 997t is more modern and a lovely albeit more muted car but its the 996t that will have more of a long term status and value for well maintained low mileage examples. It most probably won't reach 993t levels (even though the 996t is a vastly superior drive in every sense) but watch out for a gradual rise.

Totally agree with the last post, it was mentioned in one of the Pork mags also about it been the next one to rise. I still think its the best Turbo, not photogenic but loads of presence when you see one on the road and still to the novice a 100k Porsche. Mate of mine has a 550-600BHP 6T and there is no lag, had the brakes beefed up and a pipe and it is stupendous fabulous cars and far superior to a 993 turbo, the professional motor writers at the time said it was on the next page in every department, the only reasons the values are low is down to supply and demand, mark my words watch the values.

R26Andy said: I like the ruffled leather too. Ruffled leather looks like an old mans sack.

I got one of them there 996 TT's manual and x50! Was considering selling it - but sounds like its almost an investment now!

X50Black said: Its the 996 turbo that remains the stand out version of all the 911 turbo Some owner bias on here perhaps? For the record I was after a 996t for some time, but in the end spent the extra to get a 997t - much preferred the interior especially seats, prefer the front styling and I plan on keeping the engine stock so the extra oomph of 997 appealed. That said I am still a big fan of the 996t. Investment wise who knows, but I imagine a 996t would be a good turbo to go for because they are the cheapest variant right now so look cheap by comparison! Low mileage manual cars in good colours will always be sought after IMHO, but the same will be true of gen 1 Mezger 997t. Stand out version? Well it stands out only because of the front lights and first water-cooled, but no other reason particularly IMHO. Their unique lights might end up being a plus, might be a minus - time will tell but it never put me off. Each generation has been a jump and change. 930 - old school charm, classic status 964/5 - best looking turbo IMHO 993 - first 4wd, look lovely, last of the aircooled All have experienced big price rises which will only help 996/early 997 Edited by Adam B on Friday 19th September 16:24

As an aside I do think 997.1tt's are undervalued at the mo That X60 996 is silly, I guess the thing is not everyone buying a car researches the category to the nth degree, the same logic that makes 70% of the car buying public think that they should probably move on their 3 year old 35,000 mile Golf 'before it starts to develop problems' applies to the target buyer of this, you could just imagine someone saying "I went for the older model - but it's a minter - 14,000 miles from new - if I'd got the newer models they were all leggy 45,000 milers" My experience of low milage older cars is to avoid them and this is prime for a whole ton of work needing doing in the first year as that suspension that has sat in one position for the last 12 years starts to be used again, same for things like o2 sensors etc Edited by jakesmith on Friday 19th September 16:44

Values must be on the up. We buy any car offered me £14250 last year for mine. Checked again a few days ago as I fancied a laugh, and the price they offered had gone up to £16670. I realise webuyanycar isn't the bible of Porsche values, but for some reason they think it's worth 17% more this year than last year. I've never been so pleased to be so insulted.

Values must be on the up. We buy any car offered me £14250 last year for mine. Checked again a few days ago as I fancied a laugh, and the price they offered had gone up to £16670. I realise webuyanycar isn't the bible of Porsche values, but for some reason they think it's worth 17% more this year than last year. I've never been so pleased to be so insulted.

Adam B said: Some owner bias on here perhaps? For the record I was after a 996t for some time, but in the end spent the extra to get a 997t - much preferred the interior especially seats, prefer the front styling and I plan on keeping the engine stock so the extra oomph of 997 appealed. That said I am still a big fan of the 996t. Investment wise who knows, but I imagine a 996t would be a good turbo to go for because they are the cheapest variant right now so look cheap by comparison! Low mileage manual cars in good colours will always be sought after IMHO, but the same will be true of gen 1 Mezger 997t. Stand out version? Well it stands out only because of the front lights and first water-cooled, but no other reason particularly IMHO. Their unique lights might end up being a plus, might be a minus - time will tell but it never put me off. Each generation has been a jump and change. 930 - old school charm, classic status 964/5 - best looking turbo IMHO 993 - first 4wd, look lovely, last of the aircooled All have experienced big price rises which will only help 996/early 997 Edited by Adam B on Friday 19th September 16:24 Chris Harris wise words here: "The 996 Turbo remains the stand-out version of the force-fed 911 for me. It had a huge impact on what we now expect from usable performance cars, and as a package in many ways it’s a more enjoyable car to drive than the 997 version. The steering is especially superb, the four-wheel drive system always seems to make the car feel rear-wheel drive until some front-drive is absolutely necessary. The GT3 badge has now passed into legend, but it’s worth remembering that back in 2000 the 996 Turbo was a much more impressive car than the first GT3. With the later X50 pack fitted it was, and still is an absolute weapon." Quite a few folk who have driven both say that the 997t is the least inspiring to drive, has dead steering, next to no noise, suspensions settings that aren't great compared to 996t. The 997t is of course more modern styling throughout but that's no indicator for long term value in the Porsche world. Neither 996t or 997t will be considered remotely modern in ten years from now anyhow. Some models have what it takes and some don't. The 996t is the daddy

Like all these things choose a car with the right spec and you won't go far wrong. - Coupe - Manual - X50 (450bhp, bonus of an extra 30bhp)

Also all these car reviews are all well and good but so many are bias to how a car would drive on a track. So buy a car for what you intend to do with it. For me buying a 911 was to drive on the road. I wanted something as modern as I could afford that was rapid and capable. So, on that note I brought a 997 turbo. For me I feel I have brought the right car. That said a friend has a 996 turbo and it is also a great car. I would be happy with either car, just happier with a 997. I have been keeping an eye on prices for about 12 months and prices do seem to have leveled out a bit in the last six months. There are a few 997’s sub £40k for high milers or not very well looked after examples. There is what looks like an odd bargain but without looking at the cars it would be difficult to say for sure. I enquired/looked at three cars before I brought the car I now have and for one reason or another turned them down. Good cars will hold their value but I’m not convinced yet that 996/997 turbos are going to start going up in price just yet. I would love to be wrong on that.

Owner bias is natural, Harris owned a 996t but never a 997t I could post numerous reviews that state the 997t improves on the 996 in every way but would take those with a large pinch of salt like I do all car reviews. Oh go on then, here is one piece of a review of the 997t in Autocar: "The 997 Turbo is unquestionably the best sports car the world has ever seen. That much is non-negotiable. It does things normal cars can’t: it behaves, adapts, creates traction, generates adhesion and decelerates like no road car I have ever driven." The author? Chris Harris! To repeat myself both the 996t and 997t are fabulous cars, so I have desire to criticise off the 996t, as you have the 997t, to justify my choice, I had a preference for the 997, you the 996. I don't think either are the stand out 911 turbo models of all time, you think the 996 is and i am happy you are so enamoured with your car you think that is the case Going back to the OP I think the 996t is probably a good place to put your cash for depreciation proof motoring, if you buy a nice spec manual with black leather Edited by Adam B on Saturday 20th September 09:23

Just checked http://www.4starclassics.com.. Notice the 996 Turbo is no longer listed.. So ...did it sell then? It wasn't on there very long...

clobski said: Just checked http://www.4starclassics.com.. Notice the 996 Turbo is no longer listed.. So ...did it sell then? It wasn't on there very long... Nah, doesn't look like it.... Seems to be for sale with Millennium Heroes now at the same mad price. Just shifting it about to see if they get any takers.

Shewie said: clobski said: Just checked http://www.4starclassics.com.. Notice the 996 Turbo is no longer listed.. So ...did it sell then? It wasn't on there very long... Nah, doesn't look like it.... Seems to be for sale with Millennium Heroes now at the same mad price. Just shifting it about to see if they get any takers. Are 4 star classics and millenium heroes related? Websites/locations/operations all very similar...

another minter £55k and for the first time ruffled leather I've seen looks okay http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

and just to add some contrast a 991 at the same dealer cheaper than a 996 turbo http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

IMIA said: another minter £55k and for the first time ruffled leather I've seen looks okay http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... Sold!! for £55k this must be record in last few years. Anyone on here bought it or as I suspect perhaps it has it gone to HK or maybe Malaysia?

and an absolute bargain here http://www.revolution-porsche.co.uk/customer-car/p...

IMIA said: Sold!! for £55k this must be record in last few years. Anyone on here bought it or as I suspect perhaps it has it gone to HK or maybe Malaysia? we don't know it sold for that - if it did that is mental IMHO (hope it did as 997t are now the 911 bargain!)

IMIA said: and an absolute bargain here http://www.revolution-porsche.co.uk/customer-car/p... That looks great and relatively cheap !

IMIA said: and an absolute bargain here http://www.revolution-porsche.co.uk/customer-car/p... That looks awesome for the money.

X50Black said: Its the 996 turbo that remains the stand out version of all the 911 turbo for many different reasons, it blew the minds of the press and made a huge impact when it was first released and pretty much ALL journalists still prefer the 996t to 997t for a variety of reasons. The 997t is more modern and a lovely albeit more muted car but its the 996t that will have more of a long term status and value for well maintained low mileage examples. It most probably won't reach 993t levels (even though the 996t is a vastly superior drive in every sense) but watch out for a gradual rise. Nail on head! IceBoy

Speaking of 996 turbo values, I only see two GT2s for sale one apparently "under offer" lol and both POA. Does this mean dealers don't want to commit to a price since they're in flux?

It is a sellers' market at present - basically I think that the dealers are playing off the prospective buyers against each other, almost in a bidding war

supermono said: Speaking of 996 turbo values, I only see two GT2s for sale one apparently "under offer" lol and both POA. Does this mean dealers don't want to commit to a price since they're in flux? The one under offer is a PH forum members car, ex Rob Huff car, there was a fair bit of interest in it. Think it's sold subject to the inspection, he can confirm though.

Cool, it'll be interesting to hear what prices they are. Decided to take mine for a weekend road trip, started with an overnight in London so hardly a thrilling drive but out and about tomorrow afternoon/Sunday/Monday, loving it

another 996 turbo s. this one sold for close to £60k http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

If turbos are making 60k what on earth are GT2s making?

supermono said: If turbos are making 60k what on earth are GT2s making? £75k upwards for say a car with 25,000 miles and original panel with good history. Move up or down from that point depending on mileage, provenance and crash repair history. Still pretty decent value IMO

I still believe the 996 gt2 has lots of appreciating to do very special cars and good ones are becoming increasingly difficult to find, they will be 6 figures before you know it.

Agree - I am trying to find one to stash away, rather than leave the money in the bank - very tough to find

mollytherocker said: Ruffled leather looks like an old mans sack. Mollytherocker and M33UFO, Why is ruffled leather so loathed? I know it's fashionable to say that it's unloved, but I don't understand why. What is it that you detest so much?

Nobby Diesel said: mollytherocker said: Ruffled leather looks like an old mans sack. Mollytherocker and M33UFO, Why is ruffled leather so loathed? I know it's fashionable to say that it's unloved, but I don't understand why. What is it that you detest so much? I'm guessing here, but maybe something to do with it looking like an old man's sack? For me, it just looks tatty and dated.

monthefish said: I'm guessing here, but maybe something to do with it looking like an old man's sack? For me, it just looks tatty and dated. +1 like those awful Cadillac 60s interiors

monthefish said: Nobby Diesel said: mollytherocker said: Ruffled leather looks like an old mans sack. Mollytherocker and M33UFO, Why is ruffled leather so loathed? I know it's fashionable to say that it's unloved, but I don't understand why. What is it that you detest so much? I'm guessing here, but maybe something to do with it looking like an old man's sack? For me, it just looks tatty and dated. Haha! Seriously though, ruffled leather is not THAT bad. It wouldnt put me off buying an otherwise nice car but it just looks very dated and something you would see in an old soggy Rover.

is there ruffled leather in that photo too?

Had ruffled in me 993 C4S bloody horrible

I was always watching these and hoping for them to drop a bit more. I'm sure 911 Virgin had similar cars for £25K last year. http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/809/996Tur...