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Cool little video about the KW V5 + HLS kit for Carrera GT. I know some of the guys of this parish have the kit fitted. When I grow up….

TDT said: Cool little video about the KW V5 + HLS kit for Carrera GT. I know some of the guys of this parish have the kit fitted. When I grow up…. Mate, buy one by all means possible, but don’t ever grow up. It’s a trap!

It is a great kit. Just a shame that it is so expensive

There’s quite a bit to the kit and the engineering and integration development alone will have been significant. There’s a very small market to recoup those overheads. Sure, plus compound Porsche tax and CGT tax too.

Digga said: There’s quite a bit to the kit and the engineering and integration development alone will have been significant. There’s a very small market to recoup those overheads. Sure, plus compound Porsche tax and CGT tax too. Good value IMO, for such a significant dynamic and usability up tick, some folks pay this for a fancy 'zorst on them!

993rsr said: Digga said: There’s quite a bit to the kit and the engineering and integration development alone will have been significant. There’s a very small market to recoup those overheads. Sure, plus compound Porsche tax and CGT tax too. Good value IMO, for such a significant dynamic and usability up tick, some folks pay this for a fancy 'zorst on them! I have to agree… i don’t think it’s ‘too’ bad. 15k is obviously better than 22k. But as a proportion of the car and for the improvement in ride and added functionality. Also… if your OE Sachs dampers needed refreshing/replacing… how much would that be?

SRT Hellcat said: It is a great kit. Just a shame that it is so expensive Price has increased from £15k to £22k last year. Luckily mine was 'only' £15k. I've done nearly 10k miles with the KW set up. It's gives a significant handling improvement over OEM, the spring rates are lower which gives softer ride and you get more grip. The rear end especially is notably improved, you lose the 'porpoising' feeling on fast undulating roads and if gives you a lot more confidence in the rear end to press on. It get's rid of some of the heart in the throat moments if you were moving at a fair clip over challenging tarmac. I've only run on the settings Manthey sugggest for bump and rebound but will have a play on track next year. And with axle lift you have no more access issues with grounding and can park in multi storey car parks : Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 29th December 12:02

TDT said: 993rsr said: Digga said: There’s quite a bit to the kit and the engineering and integration development alone will have been significant. There’s a very small market to recoup those overheads. Sure, plus compound Porsche tax and CGT tax too. Good value IMO, for such a significant dynamic and usability up tick, some folks pay this for a fancy 'zorst on them! I have to agree… i don’t think it’s ‘too’ bad. 15k is obviously better than 22k. But as a proportion of the car and for the improvement in ride and added functionality. Also… if your OE Sachs dampers needed refreshing/replacing… how much would that be? And Porsche have put an embargo on Sachs repairing them so it's new for old now. OEM are around £3k each + fitting.

993rsr said: Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 29th December 12:02 What is it with you and parking !

Taffy66 said: 993rsr said: Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 29th December 12:02 What is it with you and parking ! Consistent with his driving isn't it? - always a little bit 'wonky'

Nurburgsingh said: Consistent with his driving isn't it? - always a little bit 'wonky' That's what comes with having to power slide into every parking spots. Mere mortals such as myself have to suffer the indignation of selecting Reverse gear for parking.

Still can’t believe I didn’t buy one when they were semi-affordable Idiot The one car I always wanted - would happily have just one of these and my Clio for when it snows

MDL111 said: Still can’t believe I didn’t buy one when they were semi-affordable Idiot The one car I always wanted - would happily have just one of these and my Clio for when it snows I'd happily sell my house and live in a wooden hut to be able to afford one. Sadly CGT prices have risen way beyond the value of my house. I have been fortunate to have had passenger laps in two CGTs around Silverstone. Simply the most exciting and desirable car I've ever been in !

993rsr , drift into that parking ? .

hunter 66 said: 993rsr , drift into that parking ? . A good driver hunter would have handbraked to that position I normally take up two bays to be on the safe side.

Taffy66 said: MDL111 said: Still can’t believe I didn’t buy one when they were semi-affordable Idiot The one car I always wanted - would happily have just one of these and my Clio for when it snows I'd happily sell my house and live in a wooden hut to be able to afford one. Sadly CGT prices have risen way beyond the value of my house. I have been fortunate to have had passenger laps in two CGTs around Silverstone. Simply the most exciting and desirable car I've ever been in ! Yes I bought an apartment to live in instead of one when they were c 300-350k euros. Ah well, should have taken out a loan to buy one at the time and seriously considered it … thought I will just get one when I can buy it for cash. Didn’t anticipate the price development of cars. Thought about it again at 550k, but now so far beyond my reach that it is going the way of a 250 SWB in terms of realistic proposition. I am really happy there are people around who use them as intended, as that is what I would have done - mine would be on 100k plus mileage by now had I bought in 2015 You never know, maybe one day I will be able to buy one

Digga said: There’s quite a bit to the kit and the engineering and integration development alone will have been significant. There’s a very small market to recoup those overheads.. That development and integration work was done years as in literally years ago though. Flemke here I believe was the car that Manthey used for setting up the KWs in the late 2000s and it seems unlikely he didn't pick up a decent chunk of those initial overheads.. But anyway the cost is what it is and even leaving aside the replacement cost of OE sachs, for a better system it's hardly a surprise that good dampers cost a fair bit. Depending on timing you may get the chance at the Eifel in may to decide what you think of the KWs I suspect.... Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 29th December 15:03

Taffy66 said: Nurburgsingh said: Consistent with his driving isn't it? - always a little bit 'wonky' That's what comes with having to power slide into every parking spots. Mere mortals such as myself have to suffer the indignation of selecting Reverse gear for parking. Parking like my driving fuxxing appalling

isaldiri said: That development and integration work was done years as in literally years ago though. Flemke here I believe was the car that Manthey used for setting up the KWs in the late 2000s and it seems unlikely he didn't pick up a decent chunk of those initial overheads.. But anyway the cost is what it is and even leaving aside the replacement cost of OE sachs, for a better system it's hardly a surprise that good dampers cost a fair bit. Depending on timing you may get the chance at the Eifel in may to decide what you think of the KWs I suspect.... Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 29th December 15:03 Look forward to seeing you then! Was just getting ready to book!

MDL111 said: Taffy66 said: MDL111 said: Still can’t believe I didn’t buy one when they were semi-affordable Idiot The one car I always wanted - would happily have just one of these and my Clio for when it snows I'd happily sell my house and live in a wooden hut to be able to afford one. Sadly CGT prices have risen way beyond the value of my house. I have been fortunate to have had passenger laps in two CGTs around Silverstone. Simply the most exciting and desirable car I've ever been in ! Yes I bought an apartment to live in instead of one when they were c 300-350k euros. Ah well, should have taken out a loan to buy one at the time and seriously considered it … thought I will just get one when I can buy it for cash. Didn’t anticipate the price development of cars. Thought about it again at 550k, but now so far beyond my reach that it is going the way of a 250 SWB in terms of realistic proposition. I am really happy there are people around who use them as intended, as that is what I would have done - mine would be on 100k plus mileage by now had I bought in 2015 You never know, maybe one day I will be able to buy one A few of us that use them. I did a couple of EU trips, plus UK drives and track days. Luckily I bought when the prices were at their lowest, so even when you have a pricey year (KW suspension, clutch, release module +++ other bits and a 4 year service and a bit of cosmetic titivation at Reading = c£50k) you can discount that to some extent with a decent slab of mileage (just under 10000). I'm not precious about it in terms of roads/parking etc. it's too exhilarating to not use. In my mind it's worth what I paid, not the 4x multiple it maybe worth. They are without doubt one of the most amazing cars on the planet, I had a fantastic 3200 mile road trip in October, chasing a friend for hours in a 991 GT2 RS on empty billiard smooth Spanish roads was one of the best trips I've done. The car as always ran faultlessly a litre of oil, copious fuel stops and that was it. It's a major come down after those sort of gigs however Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 29th December 15:27

isaldiri said: Digga said: There’s quite a bit to the kit and the engineering and integration development alone will have been significant. There’s a very small market to recoup those overheads.. That development and integration work was done years as in literally years ago though. Flemke here I believe was the car that Manthey used for setting up the KWs in the late 2000s and it seems unlikely he didn't pick up a decent chunk of those initial overheads.. But anyway the cost is what it is and even leaving aside the replacement cost of OE sachs, for a better system it's hardly a surprise that good dampers cost a fair bit. Depending on timing you may get the chance at the Eifel in may to decide what you think of the KWs I suspect.... Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 29th December 15:03 ive got 4hrs of instruction booked, but that aside, I’d love the chance to see how it laps the Nordschleife, thank you. A bit arse about face with my instruction coming after 5 years of going there, but better late than never… TDT get it booked mate!

993rsr said: A few of us that use them. I did a couple of EU trips, plus UK drives and track days. Luckily I bought when the prices were at their lowest, so even when you have a pricey year (KW suspension, clutch, release module +++ other bits and a 4 year service and a bit of cosmetic titivation at Reading = c£50k) you can discount that to some extent with a decent slab of mileage (just under 10000). I'm not precious about it in terms of roads/parking etc. it's too exhilarating to not use. In my mind it's worth what I paid, not the 4x multiple it maybe worth. They are without doubt one of the most amazing cars on the planet, I had a fantastic 3200 mile road trip in October, chasing a friend for hours in a 991 GT2 RS on empty billiard smooth Spanish roads was one of the best trips I've done. The car as always ran faultlessly a litre of oil, copious fuel stops and that was it. It's a major come down after those sort of gigs however Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 29th December 15:27 That car of yours will never owe you a penny mate,even with the top servicing and maintenance you have done,good on you to have kept it so long. If only we knew where these would go one day,we should have purchased 10 of them when they were at the bottom,i think more than 10 cars came to europe within a couple of weeks

So jealous - looks like an amazing trip in an amazing car

MDL111 said: So jealous - looks like an amazing trip in an amazing car Been extremely fortunate to have some of the most amazing road trips with the most fantastic friends, usually twice a year. Next one is in May down to Italy and back, 8-10 of us, some from the UK, some from the ME, some from the US and hopefully one from NZ. Real pinch yourself times and apart from the epic driving the fun we have is priceless

Yellow491 said: That car of yours will never owe you a penny mate,even with the top servicing and maintenance you have done,good on you to have kept it so long. If only we knew where these would go one day,we should have purchased 10 of them when they were at the bottom,i think more than 10 cars came to europe within a couple of weeks You are not wrong! Don't mind splurging to keep her on tip top form.

993rsr said: In my mind it's worth what I paid, not the 4x multiple it maybe worth. Hehe - what do you insure the car for though as that's the true test of what you think it's worth... But more seriously, have to say I'm totally in awe the way lowndes and yourself use the cars. wish I could say I felt the same lack of constraints wrt to using it but personally, the price rises recently have done nothing but reduce my usage of the thing. Even if a particularly stupid owner who can't drive anywhere like 993rsr has been seen on track at SS occasionally....

Yellow491 said: That car of yours will never owe you a penny mate,even with the top servicing and maintenance you have done,good on you to have kept it so long. If only we knew where these would go one day,we should have purchased 10 of them when they were at the bottom,i think more than 10 cars came to europe within a couple of weeks How cheap did they ever come down to? was it around £10k?

993rsr said: You are not wrong! Don't mind splurging to keep her on tip top form. Spanish roads are simply the best , and so much fun ... your car has been a "life" for you , priceless as they say , in the true sense . Right from the trip to buy it in NYC , LOL

hunter 66 said: 993rsr said: You are not wrong! Don't mind splurging to keep her on tip top form. Spanish roads are simply the best , and so much fun ... your car has been a "life" for you , priceless as they say , in the true sense . Right from the trip to buy it in NYC , LOL Yes around 10 k for each wheel;)folk dont believe what we bought them for. Nyc was fun,wife would not mind me going again as long as i revisit Debeers,not every cgt had a diamond ring in the glovebox,i think JC glovebox had a kitkat in it

Yes Yellow , and 993 rsr the only car missing at the show here in Provence was a CGT. More like a half eaten mars bar ....

isaldiri said: Hehe - what do you insure the car for though as that's the true test of what you think it's worth... But more seriously, have to say I'm totally in awe the way lowndes and yourself use the cars. wish I could say I felt the same lack of constraints wrt to using it but personally, the price rises recently have done nothing but reduce my usage of the thing. Even if a particularly stupid owner who can't drive anywhere like 993rsr has been seen on track at SS occasionally.... I think you make great use of your CGT. My son is still talking about the passenger laps he had at Silverstone in August. Stunning car especially in the beautiful hue of Silver yours is adorned in.

Yellow491 said: Yes around 10 k for each wheel;)folk dont believe what we bought them for. Nyc was fun,wife would not mind me going again as long as i revisit Debeers,not every cgt had a diamond ring in the glovebox,i think JC glovebox had a kitkat in it I actually ate the KitKat as I was feeling rather peckish at Silverstone. Only way I could get my bag of crisps and sandwich back.

Digga said: isaldiri said: Digga said: There’s quite a bit to the kit and the engineering and integration development alone will have been significant. There’s a very small market to recoup those overheads.. That development and integration work was done years as in literally years ago though. Flemke here I believe was the car that Manthey used for setting up the KWs in the late 2000s and it seems unlikely he didn't pick up a decent chunk of those initial overheads.. But anyway the cost is what it is and even leaving aside the replacement cost of OE sachs, for a better system it's hardly a surprise that good dampers cost a fair bit. Depending on timing you may get the chance at the Eifel in may to decide what you think of the KWs I suspect.... Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 29th December 15:03 ive got 4hrs of instruction booked, but that aside, I’d love the chance to see how it laps the Nordschleife, thank you. A bit arse about face with my instruction coming after 5 years of going there, but better late than never… TDT get it booked mate! I should be there to write a WhatsApp targeted journal on Isaldiri’s car Plus he will be bringing it to Zandvoort as well later in May (he doesn’t know this yet). Will try to get him to Dijon and Magny-Cours too

KW great kit but not worth 22k (price as of June 2022) as far as I am concerned. John I can only assume that parking was because you were stopped next to Mr E and needed a wide berth

Taffy66 said: Yellow491 said: Yes around 10 k for each wheel;)folk dont believe what we bought them for. Nyc was fun,wife would not mind me going again as long as i revisit Debeers,not every cgt had a diamond ring in the glovebox,i think JC glovebox had a kitkat in it I actually ate the KitKat as I was feeling rather peckish at Silverstone. Only way I could get my bag of crisps and sandwich back.

julian987R said: Yellow491 said: That car of yours will never owe you a penny mate,even with the top servicing and maintenance you have done,good on you to have kept it so long. If only we knew where these would go one day,we should have purchased 10 of them when they were at the bottom,i think more than 10 cars came to europe within a couple of weeks How cheap did they ever come down to? was it around £10k? Dont be silly Jewels

LaSource said: I should be there to write a WhatsApp targeted journal on Isaldiri’s car Plus he will be bringing it to Zandvoort as well later in May (he doesn’t know this yet). Will try to get him to Dijon and Magny-Cours too Great. Look forward to catching up (or trying to catch up) with you. Which car do you think you’ll take?