Boxster Spyder Vs. Cayman R - Page 5 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

So, I recognise that this is a decidedly 1st world problem to have and I've asked the question on another thread but rather than derail that thread, I thought it worth posting here. As you may know, I have a lovely black CR, which is a great little thing and IMHO could be made into an absolute weapon with a few choice mods. I'd see that spend as £10-15k over time, which, of course I'd never get back come sale time (if that ever happened). The car is already pretty spectacular as std and I don't see further depreciation as a massive issue. However, I have been offered a Boxster Spyder and I'm sorely tempted. I can have it to my exact spec (PTS Gulf Blue), PCCB, sports tailpipe, yellow contrasting stitching. It weighs about the same as the CR and has about the same amount of power as the CR post any performance enhancing mods. I also think it looks absolutely stunning! And I like the idea of having the roof down on days such as today. It should also be a pretty safe place for my money, so that's good too. However it'll be £25k to £30k to swap, which is a lot - although man maths says this is really £10k to £20k as I will spend money on mods. Kids both want the Spyder, Mrs doesn't care, I'm in a real quandary, so thought I'd ask the PH massive. What would you do?

I'd pick the 981 Spyder over the 987 Cayman R. The GT4 is going to be the new 'must have' Cayman and will move the game on. I'd cash-in whilst values are strong and go for the new 981 Spyder which is far more usable than the original 987 Spyder (and looks so much better IMO). Running costs will be lower on the new car, it should hold it's value and you could always pick-up another Cayman R later if you wanted to. Go for the new experience.

you live in east london? I'd do 981 Spyder. and I had a CR what you spend on mods, you never recover fully.

J-P said: I have been offered a Boxster Spyder and I'm sorely tempted. I can have it to my exact spec (PTS Gulf Blue), PCCB, sports tailpipe, yellow contrasting stitching. What would you do? You'd look a right proper f king poofter with a baby blue Boxster J-P. Man up ffs. It's a GIRLS car.

Agree with the above. I think the R will start to lose value once the GT4s land and a bunch of Rs hit the market in the next 6-12 months. I am prepared for the fanboy flack but it isn't that much over a standard S. The 987 Spyder and 981 even more so are significantly different to their mainstream models to demand a premium over the long term. Go for the 981 Spyder, it's a golden ticket and sell the R. If you don't like the Spyder, sell it in 12 months for more than you paid for it and buy another R for a lot less than you sold your current one for. No lose situation in my opinion. Cue Demon giving his opinion as FACT as usual......

Phooey said: J-P said: I have been offered a Boxster Spyder and I'm sorely tempted. I can have it to my exact spec (PTS Gulf Blue), PCCB, sports tailpipe, yellow contrasting stitching. What would you do? You'd look a right proper f king poofter with a baby blue Boxster J-P. Man up ffs. It's a GIRLS car. it's ok I'm in touch with my feminine side

HokumPokum said: you live in east london? I'd do 981 Spyder. and I had a CR what you spend on mods, you never recover fully. No Surrey. Yes I accept you never recover mods. I'm very keen on the Spyder for a number of reasons but my concerns are lack of hydraulic steering, no knowing whether this will actually be an issue or not until it's too late and I don't like e-parking brakes. But it does look absolutely gorgeous!

BubblesNW said: Agree with the above. I think the R will start to lose value once the GT4s land and a bunch of Rs hit the market in the next 6-12 months. I am prepared for the fanboy flack but it isn't that much over a standard S. The 987 Spyder and 981 even more so are significantly different to their mainstream models to demand a premium over the long term. Go for the 981 Spyder, it's a golden ticket and sell the R. If you don't like the Spyder, sell it in 12 months for more than you paid for it and buy another R for a lot less than you sold your current one for. No lose situation in my opinion. Cue Demon giving his opinion as FACT as usual...... Yes I broadly agree with this too!

g7jhp said: I'd pick the 981 Spyder over the 987 Cayman R. The GT4 is going to be the new 'must have' Cayman and will move the game on. I'd cash-in whilst values are strong and go for the new 981 Spyder which is far more usable than the original 987 Spyder (and looks so much better IMO). Running costs will be lower on the new car, it should hold it's value and you could always pick-up another Cayman R later if you wanted to. Go for the new experience. I am very tempted to do just that - ah decisions, decisions!

J-P said: it's ok I'm in touch with my feminine side I'm being semi-serious J-P. The 987 Spyder is a great drive but i did look a bit gay in it - I got fed up of telling people it was the Wife's car! Mind, I don't think the car sticker helped...

anonymous said: [redacted] Yes I'm thinking about doing that too! Although that's a definite wind up for the Mrs, I'd have to say.

Phooey said: J-P said: it's ok I'm in touch with my feminine side I'm being semi-serious J-P. The 987 Spyder is a great drive but i did look a bit gay in it - I got fed up of telling people it was the Wife's car! Mind, I don't think the car sticker helped... Honestly, I don't care about the hairdresser / gay image. It's a complete irrelevance to me. Although I haven't made a decision on colour yet and may just get a white one!

As for colours, not a fan of the yellow or black. Silver, blue, or red look OK, White is a bit Cheshire (and I live there), PTS is very personal, not a fan of pale blue. The new GT3RS purple would look fantastic.

BubblesNW said: As for colours, not a fan of the yellow or black. Silver, blue, or red look OK, White is a bit Cheshire (and I live there), PTS is very personal, not a fan of pale blue. The new GT3RS purple would look fantastic. I don't like yellow or black on the Boxster Spyder either. I'm not sure about white either but think it looks good in the official pics. Don't want red and silver, whilst very nice is a little tame. Don't like the GT3 RS purple but I think Gulf Blue would really suit it.

Also what do you attach a go pro to? CR has a perfect little bar in the back. Boxster has nothing to attach to apparently and they don't like suction mounts on track days usually!

Keep the R. Buy the Spyder. Sell Spyder to me for a profit to pay for your R mods.

Slippydiff said: Sorry JP, but on chavved up Boxsters/Caymans ? Ouch, Slippy! Anyway, if I get it Gulf Blue is high on the list for me. So, ner, ner, ner, ner, ner!

Sarnie said: Keep the R. Buy the Spyder. Sell Spyder to me for a profit to pay for your R mods. Like that plan!

Slippydiff said: J-P said: Ouch, Slippy! Anyway, if I get it Gulf Blue is high on the list for me. So, ner, ner, ner, ner, ner! Hey, it's your money, your choice, your car. Whatever colour you have, I've no doubt you'll enjoy it P.S It's struck me you're absolutely f*cking useless at Man Maths. No return on all those mods for the Cayman R ? is that what you've told SWMBO ? You're a complete disgrace to the other male petrolheads on this forum spouting such drivel The conversation should go along the lines of this : JP : "Well sweetpea, I could just keep the CR and mod it, and because all the mods I do will be reversible, the car will retain it's originality and thus it's value too, and as you know, they're an appreciating asset now. Plus when it comes the time to sell, I can remove the upgrades and sell them at little or no loss. It really is a case of win, win my dear" Mrs JP : "Sometimes JP you amaze me, your brilliance knows no bounds. just do it. Oooh, by the way, did you see that holiday brochure/kitchen brochure I left on the sideboard ........" Have no fear Slippy. My man maths is in perfect working order, there's no way I'd tell the Mrs that we'll never get the money back on mods (I'm not completely insane). Holiday is already agreed - if I get the car it's business class return to Mauritius in December ETA - might get a central orange stripe too! Although it might be a little too chavtastic!! Edited by J-P on Friday 3rd July 21:22

J-P said: Yes I'm thinking about doing that too! Although that's a definite wind up for the Mrs, I'd have to say. If you're in Surrey/Hants then I can save you the grief and you can park it in my garage and I will look after the keys for you.

I am a bit bias but being no 1 on list at opc for a 981 Spyder I would choose the 987 Spyder any day of the week! But i am getting a Gt4. Would I change a CR for a 981 Spyder thats a tough one because same same but different!Are you a coupe or cab type of person! Coupe stick with what you have unless offered G4

edc said: J-P said: Yes I'm thinking about doing that too! Although that's a definite wind up for the Mrs, I'd have to say. If you're in Surrey/Hants then I can save you the grief and you can park it in my garage and I will look after the keys for you. Yes I can imagine getting a lot of offers of this nature

Slippydiff said: J-P said: Have no fear Slippy. My man maths is in perfect working order, there's no way I'd tell the Mrs that we'll never get the money back on mods (I'm not completely insane). Holiday is already agreed - if I get the car it's business class return to Mauritius in December ETA - might get a central orange stripe too! Although it might be a little too chavtastic!! Sounds a fair deal to me It might sound fair but it means spending an enormous amount of cash. An unplanned car expense (of about £70k) and Christ knows how much on airline tickets and hotel or holiday home - ouch!!!

itsybitsy said: I am a bit bias but being no 1 on list at opc for a 981 Spyder I would choose the 987 Spyder any day of the week! But i am getting a Gt4. Would I change a CR for a 981 Spyder thats a tough one because same same but different!Are you a coupe or cab type of person! Coupe stick with what you have unless offered G4 It's a really tough call, glad I have some time to think about it! My car is great fun on track days and really suits my needs. I'm not really a huge fan of convertibles per se but I've always enjoyed every convertible I have owned from MGB to Mazda MX5 to Mini JCW to BMW 125i - they have all been fun in their own way and the ones that sounded good were even more enjoyable. The Boxster Spyder appeals because it sounds awesome but also looks stunning! I think it will be a great ownership experience but I'm still not sure that it's wise to get rid of the CR. It's spec is absolutely spot on for me, I have to say and with mods, it will be even more incredible.

J-P said: It's a really tough call, glad I have some time to think about it! My car is great fun on track days and really suits my needs. I'm not really a huge fan of convertibles per se but I've always enjoyed every convertible I have owned from MGB to Mazda MX5 to Mini JCW to BMW 125i - they have all been fun in their own way and the ones that sounded good were even more enjoyable. The Boxster Spyder appeals because it sounds awesome but also looks stunning! I think it will be a great ownership experience but I'm still not sure that it's wise to get rid of the CR. It's spec is absolutely spot on for me, I have to say and with mods, it will be even more incredible. i like to think of these type of cars as "roadsters" a roadster is a car designed to be of a sporting nature with no roof originally as the design brief, so i think s2k, z4m, TVR griff etc, i think of "convertibles" as a vehicle to remove the roof and cruise around, usually cars that were never intended to be a roadster in the original deign brief of the car.. The spyder will be perfect for you needs and i feel the game has moved on enough that you won't feel the urge to even mod it ( maybe some suspension tweeks).

Beedub said: J-P said: It's a really tough call, glad I have some time to think about it! My car is great fun on track days and really suits my needs. I'm not really a huge fan of convertibles per se but I've always enjoyed every convertible I have owned from MGB to Mazda MX5 to Mini JCW to BMW 125i - they have all been fun in their own way and the ones that sounded good were even more enjoyable. The Boxster Spyder appeals because it sounds awesome but also looks stunning! I think it will be a great ownership experience but I'm still not sure that it's wise to get rid of the CR. It's spec is absolutely spot on for me, I have to say and with mods, it will be even more incredible. i like to think of these type of cars as "roadsters" a roadster is a car designed to be of a sporting nature with no roof originally as the design brief, so i think s2k, z4m, TVR griff etc, i think of "convertibles" as a vehicle to remove the roof and cruise around, usually cars that were never intended to be a roadster in the original deign brief of the car.. The spyder will be perfect for you needs and i feel the game has moved on enough that you won't feel the urge to even mod it ( maybe some suspension tweeks). Yes I know what you mean. I agree it should meet my needs.

This will not answer the question but i passed Demon on the M1 this morning in his CR, christ how i wish i'd never sold my CR in Peridot!!!

jontymo said: This will not answer the question but i passed Demon on the M1 this morning in his CR, christ how i wish i'd never sold my CR in Peridot!!! Not another one of those Demon drives like a girl comments..... :rolleyes And your was PDK so worthless.....

J-P said: Slippydiff said: J-P said: Have no fear Slippy. My man maths is in perfect working order, there's no way I'd tell the Mrs that we'll never get the money back on mods (I'm not completely insane). Holiday is already agreed - if I get the car it's business class return to Mauritius in December ETA - might get a central orange stripe too! Although it might be a little too chavtastic!! Sounds a fair deal to me It might sound fair but it means spending an enormous amount of cash. An unplanned car expense (of about £70k) and Christ knows how much on airline tickets and hotel or holiday home - ouch!!! You're right there about holiday cost, I just did this trip last month. Emirates about 5k+ for 2, same again+ for the rest at somewhere like this : http://www.oberoihotels.com/hotels-in-mauritius/. Highly recommended place though for total chill out. GT3 profit more than paid for it though so didn't feel quite so bad. PS - Would recommend Emirates Business as well, Dubai to Mauritius on the A380, nice seperate bar etc and great service in general. Edited by Sandy59 on Saturday 4th July 07:49 Edited by Sandy59 on Saturday 4th July 07:50

BubblesNW said: Agree with the above. I think the R will start to lose value once the GT4s land and a bunch of Rs hit the market in the next 6-12 months. I am prepared for the fanboy flack but it isn't that much over a standard S. The 987 Spyder and 981 even more so are significantly different to their mainstream models to demand a premium over the long term. Go for the 981 Spyder, it's a golden ticket and sell the R. If you don't like the Spyder, sell it in 12 months for more than you paid for it and buy another R for a lot less than you sold your current one for. No lose situation in my opinion. Cue Demon giving his opinion as FACT as usual...... I guess a non owner who always said his car was like a R would say this lol

Sandy59 said: You're right there about holiday cost, I just did this trip last month. Emirates about 5k+ for 2, same again+ for the rest at somewhere like this : http://www.oberoihotels.com/hotels-in-mauritius/. Highly recommended place though for total chill out. GT3 profit more than paid for it though so didn't feel quite so bad. PS - Would recommend Emirates Business as well, Dubai to Mauritius on the A380, nice seperate bar etc and great service in general. Edited by Sandy59 on Saturday 4th July 07:49 Edited by Sandy59 on Saturday 4th July 07:50 HI Sandy - yes we're thinking of going Emirates - but it's for 4 people!!! My poor wallet

can you give up your R steering for this review just posted by an owner in the GT4 section. "Now for the big disappointment. I expected the steering to feel like a slightly muted version of my GT3’s and it was what I had most been looking forward to: the feeling that your brain is hard wired to the road, where you can just think the car around bends and feel every piece of road metal. The GT4 is nothing like that. It has decent feel once the tyres are working really hard but below that it doesn’t talk to you and it doesn’t even feel razor sharp."

PorscheGT4 said: can you give up your R steering for this review just posted by an owner in the GT4 section. "Now for the big disappointment. I expected the steering to feel like a slightly muted version of my GT3’s and it was what I had most been looking forward to: the feeling that your brain is hard wired to the road, where you can just think the car around bends and feel every piece of road metal. The GT4 is nothing like that. It has decent feel once the tyres are working really hard but below that it doesn’t talk to you and it doesn’t even feel razor sharp." Errr... no... probably not actually.

tricky lol I dare not sell my R

PorscheGT4 said: tricky lol I dare not sell my R I see what you mean - I could keep both for a while I guess? Spyder should hold its value pretty well, so should be able to get out of it with very little cost?

After much deliberation and umm-ing and ah-ing, I'm going to keep the CR and mod it. It was a tough decision and there are a lot of reasons why I'm still not sure if it's the right thing to do but I've wanted to mod the CR to my idea of perfection for a long time and I do want to see it through. Also, I've driven a 981 Cayman GTS which has the X73 suspension and although I quite liked it, I thought that the CR's set-up was better. If it was the choice of a GT4 over mine, then I think it would have been a tougher decision, but with the money I'd need to put down for the deposit I can do a lot to my car and the overall cost to change would allow me to get everything done! So think I'll keep the CR for a while longer!

you should try my Spyder for ideas before you start then. you might change your mind on parts you want to buy/ or the order. to do every thing right imo is £18k, how far do you want to take it ?

PorscheGT4 said: you should try my Spyder for ideas before you start then. you might change your mind on parts you want to buy/ or the order. to do every thing right imo is £18k, how far do you want to take it ? I'd been thinking about spending £20k but over time rather than all in one hit. Currently I'm thinking RSS kit, semi-solid engine and transmission mounts, full exhaust system (Capristo or Cargraphics), I'm worried about the noise though for track days! IPD plenum, GT3 throttle body, Brembo braking system and something to improve gearshift feel. Seen a housing that fits under the transmission tunnel, so keeps OEM look and maybe cup cables too. Might get a lightweight battery if there's any change. Would love to try your Spyder, it sounds like an absolute weapon!

J-P said: I'd been thinking about spending £20k but over time rather than all in one hit. Currently I'm thinking RSS kit, semi-solid engine and transmission mounts, full exhaust system (Capristo or Cargraphics), I'm worried about the noise though for track days! IPD plenum, GT3 throttle body, Brembo braking system and something to improve gearshift feel. Seen a housing that fits under the transmission tunnel, so keeps OEM look and maybe cup cables too. Might get a lightweight battery if there's any change. Would love to try your Spyder, it sounds like an absolute weapon! if you try one you will want one!!

J-P said: I'd been thinking about spending £20k but over time rather than all in one hit. Currently I'm thinking RSS kit, semi-solid engine and transmission mounts, full exhaust system (Capristo or Cargraphics), I'm worried about the noise though for track days! IPD plenum, GT3 throttle body, Brembo braking system and something to improve gearshift feel. Seen a housing that fits under the transmission tunnel, so keeps OEM look and maybe cup cables too. Might get a lightweight battery if there's any change. Would love to try your Spyder, it sounds like an absolute weapon! I spent about £8k but don't have a brake issue, but you would then see what 6 pots would bring to you, (amazing) I cannot afford more as the GT4 needs funding. but it would give you some idea what camber and brakes bring, and how 300lb/ft feels like.

PorscheGT4 said: J-P said: I'd been thinking about spending £20k but over time rather than all in one hit. Currently I'm thinking RSS kit, semi-solid engine and transmission mounts, full exhaust system (Capristo or Cargraphics), I'm worried about the noise though for track days! IPD plenum, GT3 throttle body, Brembo braking system and something to improve gearshift feel. Seen a housing that fits under the transmission tunnel, so keeps OEM look and maybe cup cables too. Might get a lightweight battery if there's any change. Would love to try your Spyder, it sounds like an absolute weapon! I spent about £8k but don't have a brake issue, but you would then see what 6 pots would bring to you, (amazing) I cannot afford more as the GT4 needs funding. but it would give you some idea what camber and brakes bring, and how 300lb/ft feels like. Sounds good

If you re going to get an exhaust with very small boxes I would get one of the valved/switchable ones as they can be very loud and will probably do your other half's head in.

edc said: If you re going to get an exhaust with very small boxes I would get one of the valved/switchable ones as they can be very loud and will probably do your other half's head in. Yes I'll definitely go switchable, hence Capristo / Cargraphic!

J-P said: Yes I'll definitely go switchable, hence Capristo / Cargraphic! have you got the R Porsche PSE ?

PorscheGT4 said: J-P said: Yes I'll definitely go switchable, hence Capristo / Cargraphic! have you got the R Porsche PSE ? Yes ETA - why do you ask? Edited by J-P on Sunday 5th July 22:39

Out of curiosity, anyone know how many 987 Spyders were made and how many in the UK? Edited by bertie on Wednesday 8th July 15:50

bertie said: Out of curiosity, anyone know how many 987 Spyders were made and how many in the UK? Edited by bertie on Wednesday 8th July 15:50 Try this thread

J-P said: Yes ETA - why do you ask? Edited by J-P on Sunday 5th July 22:39 has flaps and is 55mm tube over 48mm Spyder/cayman so no need to buy a full system imo.

PorscheGT4 said: J-P said: Yes ETA - why do you ask? Edited by J-P on Sunday 5th July 22:39 has flaps and is 55mm tube over 48mm Spyder/cayman so no need to buy a full system imo. So just the manifolds? That might be a good idea to reduce noise on track days?

Semi solid engine AND tran mounts, makes my ears hurt just thinking about it!

PR36 said: Semi solid engine AND tran mounts, makes my ears hurt just thinking about it! I know I thought about that. But I've been assured that the street version is not too intrusive.

J-P said: PR36 said: Semi solid engine AND tran mounts, makes my ears hurt just thinking about it! I know I thought about that. But I've been assured that the street version is not too intrusive. My wevo ss tran mounts will be up for sale shortly as the nvh is a bit much for me (and I'm running oem engine mount). Ive been asking first function (aka the MrD mounts) about a replacement using the urethane solution and they are advising not to do both the engine and tran (even in the softer 70a) if at all sensitive to NVH and i think i am going with just the 70a tran mounts. I would have gone with MrD suggestion of just doing the engine mount in 70a but i already replaced that with a brand new oem mount and so i need to renew my oem tran mounts. Its worth talking to them about it, they can also do a custom pour so if you wanted to try for e.g. 70a tran mount with 60a engine mount they can do it.

I run a fresh 987 engine mount and poly filled OE gearbox mounts which seems a nice upgrade/compromise road solution.

J-P said: Currently I'm thinking RSS kit, semi-solid engine and transmission mounts, full exhaust system (Capristo or Cargraphics), I'm worried about the noise though for track days! IPD plenum, GT3 throttle body, Brembo braking system and something to improve gearshift feel. Seen a housing that fits under the transmission tunnel, so keeps OEM look and maybe cup cables too. Might get a lightweight battery if there's any change. I can't wait to read this topic as it comes along.. I really think another 25-40 BHP, nice induction noise and exhaust would make a CR. Kind of wish mine was out of warranty... Please make sure you keep us updated.

Dan911 said: J-P said: Currently I'm thinking RSS kit, semi-solid engine and transmission mounts, full exhaust system (Capristo or Cargraphics), I'm worried about the noise though for track days! IPD plenum, GT3 throttle body, Brembo braking system and something to improve gearshift feel. Seen a housing that fits under the transmission tunnel, so keeps OEM look and maybe cup cables too. Might get a lightweight battery if there's any change. I can't wait to read this topic as it comes along.. I really think another 25-40 BHP, nice induction noise and exhaust would make a CR. Kind of wish mine was out of warranty... Please make sure you keep us updated. Thanks, Dan and I will post on here - but please bear in mind these mods will take place over time, not all being done at once.

PR36 said: J-P said: PR36 said: Semi solid engine AND tran mounts, makes my ears hurt just thinking about it! I know I thought about that. But I've been assured that the street version is not too intrusive. My wevo ss tran mounts will be up for sale shortly as the nvh is a bit much for me (and I'm running oem engine mount). Ive been asking first function (aka the MrD mounts) about a replacement using the urethane solution and they are advising not to do both the engine and tran (even in the softer 70a) if at all sensitive to NVH and i think i am going with just the 70a tran mounts. I would have gone with MrD suggestion of just doing the engine mount in 70a but i already replaced that with a brand new oem mount and so i need to renew my oem tran mounts. Its worth talking to them about it, they can also do a custom pour so if you wanted to try for e.g. 70a tran mount with 60a engine mount they can do it. I'm not sure who the manufacturer ot the mounts I've been told about is - I'll find out and let you know. I might well get in touch with first function - what is the noise like on the Wevo? Is it a buzzing sound that just won't go away or an annoying whine or something else?

Dan911 said: I can't wait to read this topic as it comes along.. I really think another 25-40 BHP, nice induction noise and exhaust would make a CR. Kind of wish mine was out of warranty... Please make sure you keep us updated. My Spyders already done, yes it's great , do it :-) not heard of people needing the warranty on 987.2 cars.

PorscheGT4 said: Dan911 said: I can't wait to read this topic as it comes along.. I really think another 25-40 BHP, nice induction noise and exhaust would make a CR. Kind of wish mine was out of warranty... Please make sure you keep us updated. My Spyders already done, yes it's great , do it :-) not heard of people needing the warranty on 987.2 cars. Is there a topic that shows your mods? or could you do a quick list and what you think of them? Thanks,

you have mail.

J-P said: PR36 said: J-P said: PR36 said: Semi solid engine AND tran mounts, makes my ears hurt just thinking about it! I know I thought about that. But I've been assured that the street version is not too intrusive. My wevo ss tran mounts will be up for sale shortly as the nvh is a bit much for me (and I'm running oem engine mount). Ive been asking first function (aka the MrD mounts) about a replacement using the urethane solution and they are advising not to do both the engine and tran (even in the softer 70a) if at all sensitive to NVH and i think i am going with just the 70a tran mounts. I would have gone with MrD suggestion of just doing the engine mount in 70a but i already replaced that with a brand new oem mount and so i need to renew my oem tran mounts. Its worth talking to them about it, they can also do a custom pour so if you wanted to try for e.g. 70a tran mount with 60a engine mount they can do it. I'm not sure who the manufacturer ot the mounts I've been told about is - I'll find out and let you know. I might well get in touch with first function - what is the noise like on the Wevo? Is it a buzzing sound that just won't go away or an annoying whine or something else? The noise on the wevo mounts is only aggravating at about 3000rpm in the drone zone, its a transmission whine is the best I can describe it, but on long journeys or where you are coasting at that rev range, in conjunction with a noisy exhaust, also sometimes noisy tarmac it can be very irritating. This is why your idea of doing mods slowly is so important. You have to make changes then get used to them to see if you like them. Case in point my carnewal decat rear exhaust, when I first got it I was disappointed it was quite tame, but then after a couple of months of different types of journeys I realised it was perfect. I started out with the idea of making a stripped out pared down mini gt3, lowered susp, lightweight, buckets, half cage, lots of noise and character but after gradually moving towards it I realised I was chasing an idea, not something that I actually wanted in reality, which is a very fast well handling road car that looks completely oem, has some character and rawness, but at the same time balanced with some comfort.

PorscheGT4 said: you have mail. replied. (thank you)

PR36 said: J-P said: PR36 said: J-P said: PR36 said: Semi solid engine AND tran mounts, makes my ears hurt just thinking about it! I know I thought about that. But I've been assured that the street version is not too intrusive. My wevo ss tran mounts will be up for sale shortly as the nvh is a bit much for me (and I'm running oem engine mount). Ive been asking first function (aka the MrD mounts) about a replacement using the urethane solution and they are advising not to do both the engine and tran (even in the softer 70a) if at all sensitive to NVH and i think i am going with just the 70a tran mounts. I would have gone with MrD suggestion of just doing the engine mount in 70a but i already replaced that with a brand new oem mount and so i need to renew my oem tran mounts. Its worth talking to them about it, they can also do a custom pour so if you wanted to try for e.g. 70a tran mount with 60a engine mount they can do it. I'm not sure who the manufacturer ot the mounts I've been told about is - I'll find out and let you know. I might well get in touch with first function - what is the noise like on the Wevo? Is it a buzzing sound that just won't go away or an annoying whine or something else? The noise on the wevo mounts is only aggravating at about 3000rpm in the drone zone, its a transmission whine is the best I can describe it, but on long journeys or where you are coasting at that rev range, in conjunction with a noisy exhaust, also sometimes noisy tarmac it can be very irritating. This is why your idea of doing mods slowly is so important. You have to make changes then get used to them to see if you like them. Case in point my carnewal decat rear exhaust, when I first got it I was disappointed it was quite tame, but then after a couple of months of different types of journeys I realised it was perfect. I started out with the idea of making a stripped out pared down mini gt3, lowered susp, lightweight, buckets, half cage, lots of noise and character but after gradually moving towards it I realised I was chasing an idea, not something that I actually wanted in reality, which is a very fast well handling road car that looks completely oem, has some character and rawness, but at the same time balanced with some comfort. thanks, very good to know. I Would like something a little more track focused but don't want to ruin it on the road.

The gearbox mounts I have are probably the compromise you are looking for.

edc said: The gearbox mounts I have are probably the compromise you are looking for. edc i spoke to your contact about refilling the mounts for me but he never got back to me so i ended up ordering the function first ones instead. It seems your ones are half filled with 80a, so i suspect they may be slightly softer than fully filling. I have ordered the function first 70a tran mounts which i guess will be pretty much the same as you, but either way would prefer to err on the side of softness (you have to ask for 70a otherwise function first will send 80a).

Yes. There are two sides to fill and is specifically wanted only one of the larger sides filled. Jim did tell me he will email you about a day after I sent him your details.

So it would appear in just bought a 987 Boxster Spyder. Should be ready for collection Saturday, looking forward to my introduction to Porsche.

PR36 said: edc i spoke to your contact about refilling the mounts for me but he never got back to me so i ended up ordering the function first ones instead. It seems your ones are half filled with 80a, so i suspect they may be slightly softer than fully filling. I have ordered the function first 70a tran mounts which i guess will be pretty much the same as you, but either way would prefer to err on the side of softness (you have to ask for 70a otherwise function first will send 80a). I just checked the Function First website. It's the same thing I have except the void round the stud I didn't have filled. Their price is much higher though ...

bertie said: So it would appear in just bought a 987 Boxster Spyder. Should be ready for collection Saturday, looking forward to my introduction to Porsche. Great choice and a worthy addition to an amazing fleet. Hope you enjoy it as much as I have mine!

bertie said: So it would appear in just bought a 987 Boxster Spyder. Should be ready for collection Saturday, looking forward to my introduction to Porsche. Great choice and a worthy addition to an amazing fleet. Hope you enjoy it as much as I have mine! Edited by Lox on Friday 10th July 07:39

Enjoy and i see its the Top 555 Spyder. Good guys down there!

nice car that one , top of the market on price as well.

The car is immaculate, and the only others around are either black or PDK neither of which I wanted. White is the colour for this car I think, anyway, looking forward to some fun.

Yes nice choice! I would strongly recommend the PSE.... Are you local to the garage as I may see you around and about!

philnotts said: Yes nice choice! I would strongly recommend the PSE.... Are you local to the garage as I may see you around and about! Whats the PSE? I'm not far, Derbyshire.

Porsche Sports Exhaust I'm in the Nottinghamshire area so i may see you around! There is one or two others in the Midlands too!

bertie said: The car is immaculate, and the only others around are either black or PDK neither of which I wanted. White is the colour for this car I think, anyway, looking forward to some fun. will be fun alright, manual /white def is the one ;-)

bertie said: The car is immaculate, and the only others around are either black or PDK neither of which I wanted. White is the colour for this car I think, anyway, looking forward to some fun. Could have saved yourself £2k and got a newer,lower mileage spyder if it's the one from TOP555 http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... Edited by itsybitsy on Friday 10th July 13:02

edc said: PR36 said: edc i spoke to your contact about refilling the mounts for me but he never got back to me so i ended up ordering the function first ones instead. It seems your ones are half filled with 80a, so i suspect they may be slightly softer than fully filling. I have ordered the function first 70a tran mounts which i guess will be pretty much the same as you, but either way would prefer to err on the side of softness (you have to ask for 70a otherwise function first will send 80a). I just checked the Function First website. It's the same thing I have except the void round the stud I didn't have filled. Their price is much higher though ... Could you PM me the details of your mounts, please EDC? Thanks

I've sent you a PM. For info - the standard mounts don't have the void around the stud filled in. I opted not to have that part filled too so just the 'other' side poly filled. I can barely tell any difference in terms of harshness, vibration, noise etc as it is now so if I was doing it again I would probably go and have the stud side filled too.If you look at the space around the stud it is so small anyway. When I first fitted them I could tell and feel a discernible difference, but like most of my mods, you get used to it and now the new feeling is the new norm.

itsybitsy said: Could have saved yourself £2k and got a newer,lower mileage spyder if it's the one from TOP555 http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... Edited by itsybitsy on Friday 10th July 13:02 Like backup of a dealer and warranty at this sort of price, plus that's only just come on!

edc said: I've sent you a PM. For info - the standard mounts don't have the void around the stud filled in. I opted not to have that part filled too so just the 'other' side poly filled. I can barely tell any difference in terms of harshness, vibration, noise etc as it is now so if I was doing it again I would probably go and have the stud side filled too.If you look at the space around the stud it is so small anyway. When I first fitted them I could tell and feel a discernible difference, but like most of my mods, you get used to it and now the new feeling is the new norm. Cheers

bertie said: Like backup of a dealer and warranty at this sort of price, plus that's only just come on! I have 6 months opc warranty which is the best you can have !

You will absolutely love it. These sunny days with roof and windows down are something else. After I have finalized a deal I am working on late this year I will be apportioning funds to a set of cargraphic manis and supersport tyres next spring. Would love a harder rawer edge to the pse, but is defo enough as standard. You will also love braking from serial speeds and feeling the g due to it being so lightweight. Share your experiences once you have picked it up.

itsybitsy said: bertie said: Like backup of a dealer and warranty at this sort of price, plus that's only just come on! I have 6 months opc warranty which is the best you can have ! I don't get why people don't understand the value of the OPC warranty when buying private!! As itsy says it's the best you can get and if a dealer is advertising it then it's nothing to do with them. I did find when mine was up for sale privately at top money there was little interest as people typically at this price level are looking for finance or part ex, that's where a dealer on a SOR can really add something to the sale process. If people have got the cash then they are wasting their money buying from a dealer on a SOR car with OPC warranty.

DAWSpyder said: I don't get why people don't understand the value of the OPC warranty when buying private!! As itsy says it's the best you can get and if a dealer is advertising it then it's nothing to do with them. I did find when mine was up for sale privately at top money there was little interest as people typically at this price level are looking for finance or part ex, that's where a dealer on a SOR can really add something to the sale process. If people have got the cash then they are wasting their money buying from a dealer on a SOR car with OPC warranty. It's not just warranty, if you buy private you've got the worry about history, HPI checking for outstanding finance, how you pay etc. A private car I'd want to be more than £2k cheaper for all the potential concerns....imho

I never have worked out a payment method that's easy and satisfactory to both buyer and seller. Doubly difficult as most have finance that needs settling too.

bertie said: I never have worked out a payment method that's easy and satisfactory to both buyer and seller. Doubly difficult as most have finance that needs settling too. It's really straightforward if you make the effort to find out what to do. I bought a £40k car privately with finance on it, paid the finance co direct and balance to seller. There's an element of trust on timing of payment but the speed of bank transfers today means you can process the payment on collection of the car. Don't be put off just because it sounds difficult, do your homework on car and seller and you'll save yourself a few grand versus the dealer route.

I tend to buy private and meet the last owner, you learn a lot. buying from dealer NO chance of finding history these days, you just get "data protection spouted at you" No reason for private cars to be cheaper for cars like these. buyers choice though as normal. paying is easy, an Hpi is what £20 and a seller can put a 2 year warranty on it if the buyers wants one. I would also take a part ex no issue, it's free money, no easier money to be made imo. Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 10th July 23:50

DAWSpyder said: It's really straightforward if you make the effort to find out what to do. I bought a £40k car privately with finance on it, paid the finance co direct and balance to seller. There's an element of trust on timing of payment but the speed of bank transfers today means you can process the payment on collection of the car. Don't be put off just because it sounds difficult, do your homework on car and seller and you'll save yourself a few grand versus the dealer route. I bought an Elise a while back and did just that. It was a right faff, me and seller onto phone to finance company for ages, I wasn't certain I had clear title, seller wasn't happy he'd been released from finance. When completed I left and an hour plus later I was half way home and seller was onto me saying he wasn't comfortable as he'd not got release docs from finance company and could I turn round and go back. I said no I was going home, then her was going to come up to me 3 hours north and stay nearby overnight until it was confirmed. I hated it, nerve wracking uncertainty. Hence for me the security of a dealer is worth a few quid and to tempt me a private sale would have to be significantly cheaper. Each to their own.

Surely the key news here is that Bertie has got himself a beautiful new car at a price he was happy with and dealing with someone he was comfortable with. What is to be gained by coming on here offering all sorts of advice about how it could have been done differently when the deal is already done? Anything to try and take the shine off someone else's happiness eh. Bertie - once again, big congrats. Paul

Lox said: Surely the key news here is that Bertie has got himself a beautiful new car at a price he was happy with and dealing with someone he was comfortable with. What is to be gained by coming on here offering all sorts of advice about how it could have been done differently when the deal is already done? Anything to try and take the shine off someone else's happiness eh. Bertie - once again, big congrats. Paul Thanks, I'm looking forward to it.

Just for info, Porsche added two Spider videos to their YouTube channel yesterday

Looking forward to collecting my Spyder in the morning, first Porsche, should be interesting and fun!

Hope you're enjoying the car Bertie - picked mine up in May after moving on the 997 but struggle to get the keys off the missus !! Take it on track - really impressive.