Porsche Cayman 981 Black Edition - Page 2 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Being in the market for an Cayman i was wondering if the newly announced 981 Cayman Black Edition was worth it? Or will just drop in value big time when the face-lift model is here next year? I have noticed they have not made this one limited like the 987 version!? Anyone else looking at this? http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/cayman/cayman-bla... Thanks, Phil

Everything bar GT's, air cooled or fancy drops in value, if you like it and can afford to buy one do it and enjoy driving the wheels off it. Oh and it's very nice...

philnotts said: Being in the market for an Cayman i was wondering if the newly announced 981 Cayman Black Edition was worth it? Or will just drop in value big time when the face-lift model is here next year? I have noticed they have not made this one limited like the 987 version!? Anyone else looking at this? http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/cayman/cayman-bla... Thanks, Phil If you want the spec, it looks like a good deal, and it's probably a spec that will sell easily in the future. But the real issue is what the discount situation is. I suspect there isn't a great rush for anything other than a GTS/Spyder/GT4 at the moment, so you may get a good discount on other models. So if it's what you want I'd push hard - 10% might be a very good deal. Down the line, I think the 6 cylinder models will hold up well after the turbos come in - but it is just speculation.

Well playing with the online con-fig, i've managed to stick 6k worth of extra's to it! I would be wanting at least 10% if i was to order a new one. Always try and buy 2nd hand but i guess its all swings and round abouts on how much each car goes down. The 6k does include the £1700 sport design body kit! Phil

philnotts said: Well playing with the online con-fig, i've managed to stick 6k worth of extra's to it! I would be wanting at least 10% if i was to order a new one. Always try and buy 2nd hand but i guess its all swings and round abouts on how much each car goes down. The 6k does include the £1700 sport design body kit! Phil According to my calcs you save around £3000 over buying a standard Cayman with the same options. Looks like a good saving - but only if you actually want the options specified.

bcr5784 said: Looks like a good saving - but only if you actually want the options specified. ^^^ This Mr Porsche really doesn't want to sell base 2.7 Caymans for £39,700 and is keen to tempt you in with "£6,000 worth" of options which only cost him £500 to fit. I would also check out what's on the base Cayman S before you make a decision if you could fancy the bigger engine. IMO the best value is in the base cars, whichever one you go for. You really don't need £6,000 of options, although I know some people manage to crank that up to £15,000

Ozzie Osmond said: ^^^ This Mr Porsche really doesn't want to sell base 2.7 Caymans for £39,700 and is keen to tempt you in with "£6,000 worth" of options which only cost him £500 to fit. I would also check out what's on the base Cayman S before you make a decision if you could fancy the bigger engine. IMO the best value is in the base cars, whichever one you go for. You really don't need £6,000 of options, although I know some people manage to crank that up to £15,000 Wouldn't argue with any of that. But most buyers (me too) do succumb to the desire to have the toys that we all expect on even mid-range saloons. If the car is a weekend toy, then a base car may well make sense. As a DD it's difficult to accept - and it's a question which rip-off option we are prepared to pay for.

The cayman would be a DD. The extra options below that i would like on the already quite full black edition - Black leather interior SportDesign package Exclusive Power steering Plus Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) Sports exhaust system Exclusive Sport Chrono Package with dynamic transmission mounts Sports seats Plus (2-way, electric) Smoking package BOSE® surround sound-system Digital radio This comes to £53,923.00 The S with the same options comes to £60,671.00. No idea if the S comes standard with the free options in the black edition.

philnotts said: The cayman would be a DD. The extra options below that i would like on the already quite full black edition - Black leather interior SportDesign package Exclusive Power steering Plus Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) Sports exhaust system Exclusive Sport Chrono Package with dynamic transmission mounts Sports seats Plus (2-way, electric) Smoking package BOSE® surround sound-system Digital radio This comes to £53,923.00 The S with the same options comes to £60,671.00. No idea if the S comes standard with the free options in the black edition. There is no S Black Edition as far as I am aware. Not sure what point you are trying to make. Assuming you are OK with a black 2.7, you are better starting with Black Edition unless there are some high cost things - 20" wheels or PCM for eg which you actually DON'T want.

anonymous said: [redacted] Well we did a lot better than a grand off, factory order to our spec and the car will be picked up shortly.

anonymous said: [redacted] Was this the standard 2.7 or the black edition?

[quote] There is no S Black Edition as far as I am aware. Not sure what point you are trying to make. Assuming you are OK with a black 2.7, you are better starting with Black Edition unless there are some high cost things - 20" wheels or PCM for eg which you actually DON'T want. [/quote] I was just seeing what the 2.7 black was vs the standard Cayman S

philnotts said: This comes to £53,923.00 Ouch. Personally I'd find it difficult to spend an additional 50% of the cost of the car on options. Also it's worth remembering that options generally depreciate more rapidly than the car to which they are fitted. 981s are great cars though!

anonymous said: [redacted] To be fair we ordered ours several months ago before it became clear that the 981.2s were likely to be getting 4 pot turbos replacing the current sixes. I gather that a lot of the remaining slots for the current model were snapped up.

£1500 is a standard discount for PCP (Which you can get rid of in the first month usually) £500 seemed a pretty normal discount I got additional on top of the above. Base and S can be discounted, GTS and GT4 unlikely.

I collect mine at the end of the month, Ireland might be different but I got a large enough discount to increase your pie consumption and I know at least one other member managed the same. BOTH cars in this case are factory orders but it easier to get discounted stock cars. All 3 local dealers immediately offered £1500 for PCP and £500 on top (Cayman or Boxster).

The more you spend on options the easier it is to negotiate a discount, because the dealer makes a lot more profit. I'd be surprised if there's much room to haggle if you wander in and say, "I'd like a £39,700 Cayman please". On the orher hand if you're looking to spend £65,000 on one there will be a lot more scope!

anonymous said: [redacted] Edited by cossers on Friday 9th October 00:24 According to a previous post you can take finance and pay it off at any time without penalty. If that is really the case then you may well be able to get a discount without actually paying much (or perhaps any) interest. I don't know that for a fact myself but it's surely worth investigating.

I'll report back once I have the car but my understanding is the same with PCP.

Ozzie Osmond said: bcr5784 said: Looks like a good saving - but only if you actually want the options specified. ^^^ This Mr Porsche really doesn't want to sell base 2.7 Caymans for £39,700 and is keen to tempt you in with "£6,000 worth" of options which only cost him £500 to fit. I would also check out what's on the base Cayman S before you make a decision if you could fancy the bigger engine. IMO the best value is in the base cars, whichever one you go for. You really don't need £6,000 of options, although I know some people manage to crank that up to £15,000 Pah, I managed £17k on mine, 2 years ago. Guess that 'value' has disappeared by now, but I'm potentially in for the long haul, so not an issue?

I managed £1500 cash discount + £400 in goods/services in total on brand new BGTS order to my spec, cash purchase, that I put in in January and collected from factory in July. £1K was up front to sweeten the deal and get me to sign there and then so I didn't go to another OPC a bit closer to me, and the final £500 + £400 G&S was when I got caught by the ~£900 price increase in April and I kicked up a massive fuss

They mean the PCP. You can take out the PCP from the dealer and after 1 month pay the whole lot off. I think you get charged 1 months worth of interest for cancelling.

anonymous said: [redacted] What I read was that the dealer still got his referral fee after a month - so he didn't care. But as I said that is all hearsay.

3 OPC's have told me this is correct.

Now you know how it works, go and buy one.

Still trying to weigh up all if buying the 2.7 black edition is a sensible choice over a 1 year old one 2.7 Cayman.

A 2.7 on 20 inch wheels is not much fun to drive. Absurdly over-tyred. And remember that huge wheels means very expensive tyres. A 2.7 should be on 18s.

ORD said: A 2.7 on 20 inch wheels is not much fun to drive. Absurdly over-tyred. And remember that huge wheels means very expensive tyres. A 2.7 should be on 18s. That's very much a matter of opinion - I was (initially) seduced by a 2.7 on 20"s. While personally I think 19s are a better choice, many like the look of 20s and if you are one of them then the Black Edition may look like a good deal. I have both 18s and 19s and am not keen on the 18s.

bcr5784 said: ORD said: A 2.7 on 20 inch wheels is not much fun to drive. Absurdly over-tyred. And remember that huge wheels means very expensive tyres. A 2.7 should be on 18s. That's very much a matter of opinion - I was (initially) seduced by a 2.7 on 20"s. While personally I think 19s are a better choice, many like the look of 20s and if you are one of them then the Black Edition may look like a good deal. I have both 18s and 19s and am not keen on the 18s. But it's not just about appearance. Caymans handle substantially better on smaller wheels, in my experience: lower unspring weight so a bit more nimble-feeling; better turn in; more comfortable; a bit more adjustable on the throttle. I can even see the sense of 17s unless you do lots of high speeds. If you think about the reasonably low weight of a 2.7, its fairly modest power (especially in the mid-range) and the natural traction and grip advantages of its layout, the idea that it needs whopping great wheels and loads of tyre seems bonkers to me. Just fashion.

ORD said: But it's not just about appearance. Caymans handle substantially better on smaller wheels, in my experience: lower unspring weight so a bit more nimble-feeling; better turn in; more comfortable; a bit more adjustable on the throttle. I can even see the sense of 17s unless you do lots of high speeds. If you think about the reasonably low weight of a 2.7, its fairly modest power (especially in the mid-range) and the natural traction and grip advantages of its layout, the idea that it needs whopping great wheels and loads of tyre seems bonkers to me. Just fashion. That is very much a matter of opinion. There is actually no significant difference in weight (I've weighed mine) If you want to save unsprung weight choose the right tyre - you can save 3kg per corner. Since the tyres are the same width whether you have 18, 19 or 20" actual grip levels are very little affected. However slip angles will be a bit less with lower profile tyres, which you may or may not prefer. Personally I prefer the more immediate steering response and less initial understeer of 19s to 18s, and the wider rear rims with 19 or 20 inch wheels give a more stable rear end. Clearly you and moose have a different view. I wouldn't actually argue about all 981s being more fun with less grip, but the 18/19/20 discussion doesn't really impinge upon it to any great degree, since the actual tyre diameter and width (and hence the contact patch area and shape) differs little regardless of the wheel size chosen. Only sidewall height is actually affected. Edited by bcr5784 on Saturday 10th October 17:24 Edited by bcr5784 on Saturday 10th October 17:41

anonymous said: [redacted] +1 Yep. I pushed the trigger on a new CGTS. The OPC just laughed when I asked about a dealer contribution. Paid the initial deposit for LOI. But decided not to blow nearly £70K in the end & bought a 997 Gen 2 C2S for £40K. Like the black edition Caymen - its a decent spec'd car for the money. It will be a nice new car to own but doubt it will be 'special' enough long term to be appreciating asset like the GT cars.

Is anyone actually ordering the Cayman black edition?

Two weeks ago I bought a Cayman 2.7 which was in-stock. I costed the car on the configurator at £54k but I paid £50k which is approx 7.5% discount I beleive. Other dealers also offered approximately 5% discount on cars they held in-stock. There are it seems very few cars around so there isn't the option of having exactly the spec you want.

My two pence... Reasonable discounts were available. I've had my 'built to spec' 2.7 Boxster for 18months. Price with options was a tad over £44k. I paid £39.5k, admittedly via PCP. About 10% discount if I've got my sums right. My OPC Dealer Principle has recently become a client of mine (he wasn't at the time I bought the Porsche). Chatting to him a couple of weeks ago. He mentioned a recent surge in demand for Boxsters/Caymans as people are rushing to buy the last of the six cylinder models before the four-pots arrive next year. Maybe this is why discounts seem rare at the moment?

anonymous said: [redacted] My dealer positively encouraged me to take finance and pay it off immediately, so that I could take advantage of the manufacturer's incentive. As for yours frowning on it, if my dealer said that I'd take my business elsewhere, what a cheek! Also, your dealer won't know if you pay off the finance once you've got the car, so I can't see how it would affect your relationship with them. Still, it's your money...