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As Darren will testify I was due to see it on Saturday, but when I found out it was a cat c, I pulled out.
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15 years ago, I bought a 1980 3.0SC which was caged and fitted with a 930 turbo engine and that also had a chequered history, 3 shades of blue, 4 different engines, creases in the wings, 2 different gearboxes, you know, all the usual stuff that you expect when you buy a car which is track focussed.
15 years ago, I bought a 1980 3.0SC which was caged and fitted with a 930 turbo engine and that also had a chequered history, 3 shades of blue, 4 different engines, creases in the wings, 2 different gearboxes, you know, all the usual stuff that you expect when you buy a car which is track focussed.
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I bought it knowing it was smacked up, but on the understanding it was repaired to Porsche standards, using genuine parts ..
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did a similar thing 5 years ago, going halves with a colleague on a cat D repaired mk2 club sport 996 gt3.
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15 years ago, I bought a 1980 3.0SC which was caged and fitted with a 930 turbo engine and that also had a chequered history, 3 shades of blue, 4 different engines, creases in the wings, 2 different gearboxes, you know, all the usual stuff that you expect when you buy a car which is track focussed.
15 years ago, I bought a 1980 3.0SC which was caged and fitted with a 930 turbo engine and that also had a chequered history, 3 shades of blue, 4 different engines, creases in the wings, 2 different gearboxes, you know, all the usual stuff that you expect when you buy a car which is track focussed.
With a 2 on the front of the price I'd still buy it and enjoy lots of track time (if everything was safely repaired) but starting with a 3 I'd be thinking again having seen those images.
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It's a cat c with very little history and no evidence of who repaired it. Might still be a good buy but it's interesting the seller changed the category following a HPI check by a potential buyer.
Spoke to the owner and what he said pretty much checks out with the previous threads on here. Granted it's seen some action but I think it's worth a look.
SignalGruen said:
Spoke to the owner and what he said pretty much checks out with the previous threads on here. Granted it's seen some action but I think it's worth a look.
Shame he wasn't quite so open before the threads on PH.
I know the car and the owner.He has been at the Fairmile meets with it.I also know the guy who the current owner bought it off. its a good car and well worth the money.This must be a last resort sale as I know he really wanted to keep it.I know he knew it was on the list as damaged, maybe he did not realise what coding it was given.
911dullard said:
Real world differences between cat D and C?
For 22k it's still road legal and great track car
A cat D car is substantial repair cost but can be a surprisingly low amount relative to the value of the car.
Cat C is very substantially damaged beyond economic repair. Its advisory whether its put back on the road at all. There are degrees of damage within these but if its Cat C its had a bug knock.
Im not knocking it for what it represents and the likely cost to the buyer but are the seats from a 997 gt3? also again without being rude its unoriginal wheels ( where are the originals) and things like mirrors let it down visually. That said it depends what you want it for. Its never going to be a collectors car but it could still be a great car to drive and own with no consideration to future value.
Not going abroad. Coming to the Cotswolds with me! Lots of interest I'm told so really pleased to have secured it. Seller seems like a really genuine guy. Looking forward to using it as intended and not worried at all about future value. Will do my best to update but history of being a long time lurker and seldom poster. Must do better!
crisp packet said:
Not going abroad. Coming to the Cotswolds with me! Lots of interest I'm told so really pleased to have secured it. Seller seems like a really genuine guy. Looking forward to using it as intended and not worried at all about future value. Will do my best to update but history of being a long time lurker and seldom poster. Must do better!
congratulations and many happy miles! I would have seriously considered buying that had I been in the UK.
crisp packet said:
Not going abroad. Coming to the Cotswolds with me! Lots of interest I'm told so really pleased to have secured it. Seller seems like a really genuine guy. Looking forward to using it as intended and not worried at all about future value. Will do my best to update but history of being a long time lurker and seldom poster. Must do better!
Fair play. I'll be interested to know how you get on with it.
mikem7709 said:
Cat D can be thrown straight back in the road. Cat C has to have an inspection first.
Not true, both cat C and D have been written off as a total loss by the insurer.
Cat C: REPAIRABLE total loss vehicles where repair costs including VAT exceed the vehicle’s pre-accident value (PAV). (Source:
https://www.abi.org.uk/~/media/Files/Documents/Pub...
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So in the case of a GT3 these days, we are talking about £lots of repairs here...
crisp packet said:
Not going abroad. Coming to the Cotswolds with me! Lots of interest I'm told so really pleased to have secured it. Seller seems like a really genuine guy. Looking forward to using it as intended and not worried at all about future value. Will do my best to update but history of being a long time lurker and seldom poster. Must do better!
well done that man - just imagine, you'll have a car to nail on track days pretty much as quick as anything else and you won't be terrified about rubbing it down the Aramco (unlike all the other GT3 drivers). also Zanzibar mk1 GT3's are super cool imho.
did a similar thing 5 years ago, going halves with a colleague on a cat D repaired mk2 club sport 996 gt3. bloody bargain that car was, should never have sold it. (the next owner binned it at Spa, oh dear)
peshwengi said:
Not true, both cat C and D have been written off as a total loss by the insurer.
Cat C: REPAIRABLE total loss vehicles where repair costs including VAT exceed the vehicle’s pre-accident value (PAV). (Source:
https://www.abi.org.uk/~/media/Files/Documents/Pub...
)
So in the case of a GT3 these days, we are talking about £lots of repairs here...
Cat C and D are both total loss as far as insurance goes but as I said, a Cat D goes straight back on the road with no questions asked. A Cat C car has to have an inspection first.
Even as a Cat C, provided that everything is straight I think that the new owner has secured something of a bargain there - even with the aftermarket seats. Well done.
mikem7709 said:
Cat C and D are both total loss as far as insurance goes but as I said, a Cat D goes straight back on the road with no questions asked. A Cat C car has to have an inspection first.
Ah I see, thought you were saying it wouldn't need much work
Well done to the lucky guy that got his hands on this beauty..Surely this is the way to enjoy a GT3.. Getting it for a song.. No worries using it on track.. Very desirable colour and also a MK1.. And equally important a long list of other potential buyers (no cat c/d stigma amongst enthusiasts).. Surely this is the lowest risk, least expensive way into a GT3 with all the fun and a guarantee of your money back (bare minimum)if you have to sell, Win win surely?
advert said:
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common sense said:
"Please Contact Me Outside The PistonHeads System" Scam
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Hi Neil, hope had safe journey home was a pleasure to meet you and your beautiful GT3 driving lady. Really hope your happy with the car, I was sad to see it go but there you are I'll be back once we have settled in our new house . Please keep in touch I would love to know how you get on it . Thanks again Darren and Deanne
I've just sold a genuine car to a gentleman named Neil my deal was straightforward and Neil is the happy owner of a GT3 that he seems delighted with and I'm sure he will be on here soon to tell all about he's new toy , I can only suggest the other ads are just scammers and nothing to do with me , this was genuine ad for for a genuine car we had scammers trying it on the moment the ad went live . It has been reported to piston heads . Darren
keep it lit said:
another one you missed
Not really. As Darren will testify I was due to see it on Saturday, but when I found out it was a cat c, I pulled out. Good buy for someone that knows what they are looking at, but I'm a Luddite, so not for me.
mollytherocker said:
Theres something wrong here. Thats not a new advert. The seller has changed the original.
Crisp packet - you need to come clean or tread with care!
The latest ad is a scam. HTH.
Got back safe and sound last night and still grinning like an idiot! Darren you were an absolute gent to deal with and the car is even better than described. Thanks for making everything so straight forward and for your hospitality when we arrived. My wife has never been a Porsche fan and she loves it! - although I think she's probably softening me up as she wants to upgrade her horsebox! Would have loved to take it to Le Mans this year but can't make it this time round. Defo next year.
The scammer emailed me
Hello Dom,
I just got your message regarding my 1999 Porsche 911 (996) Mark 1 GT3. Please note that the location is not shown correctly on Pistonheads, that's my old address. I recently moved back to the Denmark and the car is in Copenhagen ready for test drive or delivery. It's a right hand drive car and can't be driven in the Denmark so I'm selling it. The car runs just perfect, looks great in and out as shown in the pictures, one no smoking owner, no mechanical flaws, accident free & HPI clear.
Has full service history,8 months of MOT and 7 months of TAX and odometer reads 47,000 miles. Reg. number is JMR911W and number plates are included.
Considering the offers I received I'm asking £15,400 and this includes delivery to your location. It's ready to be delivered with all registration documents, service records, original invoice, both car keys and the bill of sale.
Regards,
Michael Donovan
dom9 said:
The scammer emailed me
Hello Dom,
I just got your message regarding my 1999 Porsche 911 (996) Mark 1 GT3. Please note that the location is not shown correctly on Pistonheads, that's my old address. I recently moved back to the Denmark and the car is in Copenhagen ready for test drive or delivery. It's a right hand drive car and can't be driven in the Denmark so I'm selling it. The car runs just perfect, looks great in and out as shown in the pictures, one no smoking owner, no mechanical flaws, accident free & HPI clear.
Has full service history,8 months of MOT and 7 months of TAX and odometer reads 47,000 miles. Reg. number is JMR911W and number plates are included.
Considering the offers I received I'm asking £15,400 and this includes delivery to your location. It's ready to be delivered with all registration documents, service records, original invoice, both car keys and the bill of sale.
Regards,
Michael Donovan
Well the Danes are actually great people but , if Danish at all, not so much this fella. I particulalry enjoy the line, "accident free"
How can anyone not think this is cheap at £33.5k. Just because it was up for £10k less previously is irrelevant. Look at 996RS's - they were up for £50k less 12 months ago...
It could be a great car - obviously it will need a full inspection given it's prior history, but that's a few hundred quid well spent and if it is a straight car then it's well worth the asking price. If you want a GT3 to drive and not stick in a garage to appreciate in value then this could be ideal. Let's face it, with the state of the market there are fewer cars available that can be classed as drivers cars these days - which is criminal as the 996.1 GT3 is one of the best drivers cars ever made.
I'm very happy that I can drive mine as Mr Porsche intended
Personally I'd say it was sold a little too cheap last time ?
I'd say it's worth somewhere between 28-32 against current pricing depending on paperwork/service history etc and how motivated the seller is. Let's be fair there isn't exactly a lot of choice about !
As the car gets older being on the "Hit list" will surely have less and less of an impact and it'll be judged more on how it currently stands.
ArcticGT3 said:
Personally I'd say it was sold a little too cheap last time ?
I'd say it's worth somewhere between 28-32 against current pricing depending on paperwork/service history etc and how motivated the seller is. Let's be fair there isn't exactly a lot of choice about !
As the car gets older being on the "Hit list" will surely have less and less of an impact and it'll be judged more on how it currently stands.
At £28k (following a PPI) I would jump at it. this gives the seller a £5k profit for owning it 2 months.
Its not possible to value it without knowing the level of damage and how well it was repaired.
A couple of front wings and a bumper is one thing.
A mangled and twisted rear chassis that has been bodged up is entirely something else!
mollytherocker said:
Its not possible to value it without knowing the level of damage and how well it was repaired.
A couple of front wings and a bumper is one thing.
A mangled and twisted rear chassis that has been bodged up is entirely something else!
I have been sent a few photos of it (before repair)! Eyes wide open when buying anything like this... hence the PPI!
The pics on 911UK (if it's the same car) aren't great and just show the drivers side. Which looks like it's run along some Armco or something. But they don't show the front/rear/passenger side.
I nearly bought a Guards Red 996.2 CS a few years back from OPC Leics that had an off at Oulton park, it was repaired at a cost of 25K by them and looking through the invoice there wasn't anything substantial in there. So it's easy to see how a car could become uneconomical to repair (which is essentially what Cat C is). I often wonder where that Guards red car is now and if the owner knows about its history.
Edited by ArcticGT3 on Sunday 31st August 13:58
Dblue said:
A cat D car is substantial repair cost but can be a surprisingly low amount relative to the value of the car.
Cat C is very substantially damaged beyond economic repair. Its advisory whether its put back on the road at all. There are degrees of damage within these but if its Cat C its had a bug knock.
This may be the theory, but the reality is frequently different.
Looks potentially lovely, assuming it all checks out. Hopefully the seller is just trying to raise funds for a horse box rather than sell a lemon.
I'd be interested in buying just the plate off it.
thegreenhell said:
This link showing the damage and repair was posted earlier in this very thread
http://eurotyresuk.co.uk/porsche-911-996-gt3/
Useful photos thanks.
thegreenhell said:
This link showing the damage and repair was posted earlier in this very thread
http://eurotyresuk.co.uk/porsche-911-996-gt3/
I don't think that's the same car as the one that's up for sale
sure I spoke to the owner of that car at the 'ring earlier in the year, amongst others mods had been converted to have mk2 headlights, the car for sale has the standard mk1 lights
andye30m3 said:
I don't think that's the same car as the one that's up for sale
sure I spoke to the owner of that car at the 'ring earlier in the year, amongst others mods had been converted to have mk2 headlights, the car for sale has the standard mk1 lights
Well spotted sir! Not the same car.
Nov 2011 - PH Ad - It had black rims and GT3 decals the and, had already had a hard whack and the whole front wiped out and replaced - I have seen a pic - it later turned out the front was clipped at the scuttle with the front of a blue 996 of unknown origin.
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Yep that's a major couple of knocks! With a 2 on the front of the price I'd still buy it and enjoy lots of track time (if everything was safely repaired) but starting with a 3 I'd be thinking again having seen those images. I'm no mechanic so maybe it's not as bad as it looks, but gut feel is not good! Problem with the internet also is that those photos are now around forever.
Cheers
Slodge
You'd have to be a bit of a mug to buy that. I'd sooner be realistic with my budget and get something else, not be blinded by the fact that, just because it is (some kind of) GT3, you can overlook that history.
Amazing how people don't take on board the old saying of "if it sounds too good to be true..." motto and instead think a clean and shiny car is good enough evidence that a car is sound! I'm not saying people shouldn't buy a Cat C/D, but i want want a library of info/pics of the rebuild from a reputable specialist or main dealer.
Okay - it is a C4 shell and if one of those were to be available with a dead engine it could probably be secured for £6k if not less... To someone looking for a car to drive with no particular desire to ever move it on, is there a threshold at which it could make sense for someone to acquire this and swap all of the important bits... ?
I am thinking Wheeler Dealers economics here, i.e. someone with the space and time to do a good portion if not all of the shell swap themselves. Any thoughts on that? The chassis seems questionable, but there may be value in the driveline for someone out to build a budget bitsa? Such a number might not even start with a 2 though, right?
PurpleEnemy said:
Whack 3. June this year.
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Is that timing right? Buyer posted this, early June? Was it dinged before or after?
crisp packet said:
Not going abroad. Coming to the Cotswolds with me! Lots of interest I'm told so really pleased to have secured it. Seller seems like a really genuine guy. Looking forward to using it as intended and not worried at all about future value. Will do my best to update but history of being a long time lurker and seldom poster. Must do better!
At no point did I say the car earlier in the thread that was shown being repaired is the same car. It could be, but if it is - then it must have had four different accidents, as I have seen the first front end crash damage on a photo that the owner who had it a couple of years ago had from the previous owner. The front end was mangled like a tin can that had been stamped on. The N/S wheel and strut were smashed off the car.
This is clearly when the car was front clipped with the front of a blue 996 donor car.
I owned this car for 12 months - from its initial advert on PH which has been posted earlier. I added the bbs rims and managed to use the car without putting it into any scenery or bending it in any way .
I can say with validity the car is NOT the one which was lightly damaged in a track incident . I had a photo from the guy I purchased the car from showing the original damage - I am having difficulty finding the picture at the moment , but can state the car looked like it had hit the rear of a truck , with the bonnet missing and wings torn back to the screen . In fact the dash still showed some signs of movement damage .
It looked like it had hit hard and fast and gone under the protection bar found on the rear of lorries, and simply peeled the car back to the A pillars accordingly. The screen, front leg, battery area, bonnet, wings and associated inner wings were basically missing . I was told Porsche repair panels were used , and the repairs looked ok - even if some of the under bonnet plastics and dash bore the marks of impact. It was a cat C write off and was bought as salvage by the previous owner to me from a sports salvage dealer in Nottingham ... Some detective work should yield the original pictures as it was widely advertised at that time.
I bought it knowing it was smacked up, but on the understanding it was repaired to Porsche standards, using genuine parts ..
Subsequently finding out the parts(front of the car) were genuine, but from another 996 (blue) came as a surprise to say the least .
Like everything it has a value , but that is determined by the car and its potted history, and not the price of good ones .
Isn't it funny how people don't mind a 2.7RS/SC RS which has been crashed a bit while rallying, but go mental as soon as a 996GT3 in prang is mentioned.
lemmingjames said:
Yes, but heritage
what, like the 996GT3 did not spawn the race car which is perhaps the most successful 911 in terms of racing victories? or that in Mk1 form is the last road-going 911 with sporting aspirations to be handbuild at Weissach by the Motorsport guys?
just playing the devil's advocate here, btw...
but somehow I've got the feeling that in 10yrs time it will matter less than now if a car has had a prang, and we will be looking at the quality of maintainenance etc.
Cheburator mk2 said:
Isn't it funny how people don't mind a 2.7RS/SC RS which has been crashed a bit while rallying, but go mental as soon as a 996GT3 in prang is mentioned.
True.. But with the past owners damage report that's what..... 5 or 6 times this car has been badly damaged?
Don't get me wrong, if it was cheap enough I would buy it even knowing the history. Be a great track car.
Dan911 said:
True.. But with the past owners damage report that's what..... 5 or 6 times this car has been badly damaged?
Don't get me wrong, if it was cheap enough I would buy it even knowing the history. Be a great track car.
I hear you and yes, one or two prangs should be fine, five or six is just bad luck
and I can see a pattern developing here...
Most of the damage appears superficial except the full frontal one described by one of the posters above. No idea if it is the same on a 911, but on a 928 for example the whole front section is designed to be easily replaced in case of an accident. So perhaps even that one is not that bad if it has been done well.
Lastly, if unmolested (and who is to say they don't have a hidden history) early cars are reportedly changing hands for around the £50k mark, then £30-odd thousand for this one is the new norm?
Btw, no connection with the seller, just trying to show the debate has a different side too...
Cheburator mk2 said:
what, like the 996GT3 did not spawn the race car which is perhaps the most successful 911 in terms of racing victories? or that in Mk1 form is the last road-going 911 with sporting aspirations to be handbuild at Weissach by the Motorsport guys?
just playing the devil's advocate here, btw...
but somehow I've got the feeling that in 10yrs time it will matter less than now if a car has had a prang, and we will be looking at the quality of maintainenance etc.
yes but beard appeal vs clean shaven ;-)
over time itll change no doubt but the cars are still 'new ' enough that it causes people issues. Wonder how many RS's are still in this country vs 996 GT3's (i know its been discussed before but being lazy to search)
I contacted the seller regarding the plate and he tells me that he's not interested in selling it separately. If anyone does buy this car and wants to part with the registration (it's probably the cursed bit anyway), please let me know.
IknowJoseph said:
I contacted the seller regarding the plate and he tells me that he's not interested in selling it separately. If anyone does buy this car and wants to part with the registration (it's probably the cursed bit anyway), please let me know.
The only thing I'd be interested in, if it helps, are the screws that hold the number plates on… I have had the chance to buy it from the last two owners and despite the fact I have been in it at maximum velocity and can assure you it's ballistic, and the allure of it being a GT3, I wouldn't touch the Orange Armco Magnet with a barge pole... Let alone 'invest' my money in it. Good luck to whoever ends up with it, at least you'll be able to pretend you're Trigger from Only Fools and Horses at the pub and puff you chest out like Foghorn Leghorn and announce "I say, I say, I say, I have the only known GT3 broom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUl6PooveJE
I have this now, (and no, I don't pretend I'm Trigger in it!).
It's a CAT C and it's had some damage, largely superficial, but at the end of the day, it's a cheap GT3 and handles like it should (obviously some people have had a bit of bad luck in it in it's past, but that's the nature of the beast!)
I've wanted a Gen 1 GT3 for a long time, and nearly bought one last year for around £45k. Would it have been any better than this? Probably not, but it would have cost me over 50% as much again just because it's had a knock (or 3!). So I get the car I want and ample change to buy a 968 Club sport! (or save the money for when it's my turn to bin it!!).
15 years ago, I bought a 1980 3.0SC which was caged and fitted with a 930 turbo engine and that also had a chequered history, 3 shades of blue, 4 different engines, creases in the wings, 2 different gearboxes, you know, all the usual stuff that you expect when you buy a car which is track focussed. If I wanted a mint SC or 930 turbo, I wouldn't have bought that one, and if it was mint, the chances are, it would have never been driven in anger anyway, so what's the point.
The main difference between that and this is that my old SC's damage wasn't documented on the V5C and didn't show up on any HPI report, and there weren't pictures of it on the internet, but at the end of the day, you buy the car with your eyes and head if you want to drive it.
Let's face it, GT3's were built to be driven hard and taken on the track, and with that, you expect them to have a few bumps and bruises. How many GT3's that are up for sale that look like the real deal and never been involved in a knock, are actually that? My guess it that the majority of them have had something happen to then. These cars are 15 years old now after all, and there's no point in cars like these been wrapped up in a carcoon and locked away.
I've bought CAT C's before and I will buy them again. At the end of the day, you get a lot more car for your money. There will always be a stigma attached to a CAT C car and that will always reflect in the ability to sell the car on at a later date, but when you buy a CAT C, you do so knowing this fact anyway and you know that you're never going to be able to sell it for £50k.
Then you also have to look at restoring cars and to their real value. I have a number of cars in my collection, some of them heavily restored. I have a 1968 Auto Union variant which if anyone looked at it, they would have laughed and walked away (as many did!). It needed a full resto and then some. The only difference was that was plagued with tin worn and not accident damage. However, the end result is the same, both cars have been fully rebuilt. Who's the say the Auto Union should have ever seen the light of day again? If it was the victim of an accident and not tin worm, any insurance assessor would have just written write off, uneconomical to repair and got back in to his car and gone to his next job.
The same with my Imp Rally car and Audi 80quattro hill climb cars. Both car have been fully rebuilt and were both in worse condition than the GT3 prior to the start of the resto. Put it this way, you don't get much in the way of an Audi 80 quattro for £250!!
I'm fully aware of the cars history and it bothers me not one iota as I paid for it what I considered to be a fair price given it's history.
At the end of the day, it's still a GT3, it still goes like stink, it's in the best colour, the paint job has been very well done, it handles like a GT3 should, it sounds superb, and I get smiles per mile.
I don't want a Porsche to lock away, I have a nr concours 914 and a nr concours manual 964 C2, but given the current values of these variants, it's now got to the point where I don't want to ever get them out of the garage just incase something happens to them.
Cars like this are meant to be driven, and whilst I've got it, I will enjoy it!
Edited by Coxy914 on Saturday 11th October 22:47
Coxy914 said:
I have this now, (and no, I don't pretend I'm Trigger in it!).
It's a CAT C and it's had some damage, largely superficial, but at the end of the day, it's a cheap GT3 and handles like it should (obviously some people have had a bit of bad luck in it in it's past, but that's the nature of the beast!)
I've wanted a Gen 1 GT3 for a long time, and nearly bought one last year for around £45k. Would it have been any better than this? Probably not, but it would have cost me over 50% as much again just because it's had a knock (or 3!). So I get the car I want and ample change to buy a 968 Club sport! (or save the money for when it's my turn to bin it!!).
15 years ago, I bought a 1980 3.0SC which was caged and fitted with a 930 turbo engine and that also had a chequered history, 3 shades of blue, 4 different engines, creases in the wings, 2 different gearboxes, you know, all the usual stuff that you expect when you buy a car which is track focussed. If I wanted a mint SC or 930 turbo, I wouldn't have bought that one, and if it was mint, the chances are, it would have never been driven in anger anyway, so what's the point.
The main difference between that and this is that my old SC's damage wasn't documented on the V5C and didn't show up on any HPI report, and there weren't pictures of it on the internet, but at the end of the day, you buy the car with your eyes and head if you want to drive it.
Let's face it, GT3's were built to be driven hard and taken on the track, and with that, you expect them to have a few bumps and bruises. How many GT3's that are up for sale that look like the real deal and never been involved in a knock, are actually that? My guess it that the majority of them have had something happen to then. These cars are 15 years old now after all, and there's no point in cars like these been wrapped up in a carcoon and locked away.
I've bought CAT C's before and I will buy them again. At the end of the day, you get a lot more car for your money. There will always be a stigma attached to a CAT C car and that will always reflect in the ability to sell the car on at a later date, but when you buy a CAT C, you do so knowing this fact anyway and you know that you're never going to be able to sell it for £50k.
Then you also have to look at restoring cars and to their real value. I have a number of cars in my collection, some of them heavily restored. I have a 1968 Auto Union variant which if anyone looked at it, they would have laughed and walked away (as many did!). It needed a full resto and then some. The only difference was that was plagued with tin worn and not accident damage. However, the end result is the same, both cars have been fully rebuilt. Who's the say the Auto Union should have ever seen the light of day again? If it was the victim of an accident and not tin worm, any insurance assessor would have just written write off, uneconomical to repair and got back in to his car and gone to his next job.
The same with my Imp Rally car and Audi 80quattro hill climb cars. Both car have been fully rebuilt and were both in worse condition than the GT3 prior to the start of the resto. Put it this way, you don't get much in the way of an Audi 80 quattro for £250!!
I'm fully aware of the cars history and it bothers me not one iota as I paid for it what I considered to be a fair price given it's history.
At the end of the day, it's still a GT3, it still goes like stink, it's in the best colour, the paint job has been very well done, it handles like a GT3 should, it sounds superb, and I get smiles per mile.
I don't want a Porsche to lock away, I have a nr concours 914 and a nr concours manual 964 C2, but given the current values of these variants, it's now got to the point where I don't want to ever get them out of the garage just incase something happens to them.
Cars like this are meant to be driven, and whilst I've got it, I will enjoy it!
Edited by Coxy914 on Saturday 11th October 22:47
oh, and if you are still after the number plate, happy to sell for the price for something similar with 911 in. JMR isn't my initials, and not fussed about keeping it with the car.
Although this one might be a good buy for it???
mollytherocker said:
Well done Coxy, but take care. I believe that this car had had another cars front tub welded on to it. Get it checked out and be sure that its safe.
I think I'd be tempted to have a priest bless it !
mollytherocker said:
Well done Coxy, but take care. I believe that this car had had another cars front tub welded on to it. Get it checked out and be sure that its safe.
to be fair, whether the parts from the front are off the shelf or are off another car, (and everything lines up straight, door shuts, bonnet lines, lights etc), then as long as it's been done correctly, then that is the most important thing. And lets face it, how many times have people doing resto's, bought replacement panels only to find the fit is appalling and you end up having to chop and weld and hammer to get things to fit.
I was thankful to have a donor car (Auto Union Audi 70L) when restoring my 80 variant as it saved all that hassle of trying to make things fit!
The rear end off my old 911 was from something which was a lot lighter blue!!
There's a recent alignment report with the vehicle and the figures are better than the ones on my 964's report!
Edited by Coxy914 on Saturday 11th October 23:16
Coxy914 said:
to be fair, whether the parts from the front are off the shelf or are off another car, (and everything lines up straight, door shuts, bonnet lines, lights etc), then as long as it's been done correctly, then that is the most important thing. And lets face it, how many times have people doing resto's, bought replacement panels only to find the fit is appalling and you end up having to chop and weld and hammer to get things to fit.
I was thankful to have a donor car (Auto Union Audi 70L) when restoring my 80 variant as it saved all that hassle of trying to make things fit!
The rear end off my old 911 was from something which was a lot lighter blue!!
There's a recent alignment report with the vehicle and the figures are better than the ones on my 964's report!
Edited by Coxy914 on Saturday 11th October 23:16
You have a very realisitc and practical view. You will be fine.
this was the last 'toy', another shady beast, but it had receipts for over £100k!!!
built for purpose and it did just that, just hope to have some more fun again without worrying about the ever inflated prices of Porsches!
For me, the GT3 is a modern day version of this, without the lag!!
Coxy914 said:
this was the last 'toy', another shady beast, but it had receipts for over £100k!!!
built for purpose and it did just that, just hope to have some more fun again without worrying about the ever inflated prices of Porsches!
For me, the GT3 is a modern day version of this, without the lag!!
Cracking garage!
Coxy914 said:
oh, and if you are still after the number plate, happy to sell for the price for something similar with 911 in. JMR isn't my initials, and not fussed about keeping it with the car.
Although this one might be a good buy for it???
Sending PM now, was abroad when you bought the car...
A blast from the past!
Looks far better back with LM's in Clubsport spec and all the show car gubbins removed.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394315968248
Edited by itsdashy on Friday 4th November 08:02
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