991.1 GT3 - Advice on purchase - Page 4 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Morning all, I've had my 997.2 GTS just over 2 years now and am considering what next, I did for a little while consider a California T as i do like a convertible but I'm not sure its robust enough to live outside and put 8-10000 miles a year in. I keep coming back to the 991.1 GT3 as I am not after a car with forced induction and much prefer an NA engine. Some questions: 1. I have read about the engine issues early one and the 10 year engine warranty, which for many engines is now expiring in the next 12 months or so, have these cars been sorted out by this point or are they all still grenades waiting to go off ? 2. Will values rapidly decline once these are out of warranty, I expect to lose some money but would rather not risk a huge bath !! 3. How are these as semi daily drivers, it would be a PDK and would be used from everything from trips into London and blasts out in the country plus weekends away etc ... 4. Do these feel noticeably bigger on the road than the 997 (fro those that have experience of both generations of car) ? Something like this seems to be the sweet spot in regards what I would be looking for and is at the top of my budget, closer to 100k the better. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... My only must have on spec is heated seats for the wife !! Not sure the above one has ... were they readily available ? The car will live outside all year round. Any and all advice gratefully received. Its all a long way from my first Porsche, Bluebell the Boxster that was the start of the Poverty Pork thread when I bought her for 3k !!!! Thanks in advance.

1) Yes, in theory any engine fitted to a 991.1, even when updated, could fail. Each series of engines post the E1 has improvements to reduce the likelihood of a failure but they are band aids. If you get the car warrantied by the main dealer you shouldn't have a concern until it reaches 15 years, beyond then I hear rumours some goodwill may be achievable should something go pop 2) I expect not. My take is that if an engine has stayed together for 10 years and you avoid heavy track work it's likely to continue as such, I think future buyers will recognise this. The inflation of everything around a 991.1 will likely help soften any depreciation, regardless, you'll be having enough fun not to care 3) I use mine during the summer for commuting and anything else that makes sense, it's absolutely fine in my view 4) A little, but they are still quite average width. Much smaller than say an F Type HTH

Great cars, warranty as above, can be extended. Easy commute and distance driver. I did 3,500km in 5 days in mine, with 1,100 km in one go, no worries at all very capable. Could even listen to (and hear!) an audio book whilst driving at 140kmph on the peage. Think I even managed 27-28mpg as well! Looks like the one you have linked has heated seats looking at the buttons on the console. Seem to have risen in value, mine (very similar spec) 8k miles was £96k in Jan 2020. Lift is a must IMO. They are pretty loud as standard but really come alive with a Center bypass

Maybe it's best to wait until after the 10 year mark and if prices drop a good bit they may be a bargain for such a great car. You could still go with the Porsche warranty system, or have the car looked after by independents in the knowledge that the engine could let you down. Porsche would go down the new engine route, but surely some the indies with a large experience of rebuilding Porsche engines would be able to do a great job at a much lower cost. Maybe a 4.0L conversion for example. Just thoughts, not gospel. You could always ask Ninemeister or Hartech what they think. I would have thought they'd be happy to offer a bit of informal advice.

dibblecorse said: Morning all, I've had my 997.2 GTS just over 2 years now and am considering what next, I did for a little while consider a California T as i do like a convertible but I'm not sure its robust enough to live outside and put 8-10000 miles a year in. I keep coming back to the 991.1 GT3 as I am not after a car with forced induction and much prefer an NA engine. Some questions: 1. I have read about the engine issues early one and the 10 year engine warranty, which for many engines is now expiring in the next 12 months or so, have these cars been sorted out by this point or are they all still grenades waiting to go off ? 2. Will values rapidly decline once these are out of warranty, I expect to lose some money but would rather not risk a huge bath !! 3. How are these as semi daily drivers, it would be a PDK and would be used from everything from trips into London and blasts out in the country plus weekends away etc ... 4. Do these feel noticeably bigger on the road than the 997 (fro those that have experience of both generations of car) ? Something like this seems to be the sweet spot in regards what I would be looking for and is at the top of my budget, closer to 100k the better. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... My only must have on spec is heated seats for the wife !! Not sure the above one has ... were they readily available ? The car will live outside all year round. Any and all advice gratefully received. Its all a long way from my first Porsche, Bluebell the Boxster that was the start of the Poverty Pork thread when I bought her for 3k !!!! Thanks in advance. I’d strongly advise finding one with folding bucket seats.

Do it. I bought one earlier this year on a bit of a whim after a year in a Boxster Spyder. Whilst the Spyder was very very good the GT3 is on a different level. I simply love driving it. Even at normal speeds it is engaging but can also cruise around with ease. When you do open it up and start to lean om tje chassis it's impossible not to smile. To top it off, my wife much prefers driving the GT3 to the Spyder. I didn't worry too much about spec, engine concerns etc. Just bought the one that seemed best value in the OPC network and have the peace of mind of the approved pre-owned warranty. I am sure the 991.2 is a better and more modern car but I struggle to see how the £40k price difference is justified so for me the 991.1 is something of a relative bargain (in the world of fully fledged sports cars). The only thing I would like to be different is the colour. As one of the earlier cars it is in the rather predictable white. Whilst it does have some motorsport connotations I would much prefer a Miami Blue or Python Green - maybe one for the future if I can get a 992 allocation!

Grantstown said: Maybe it's best to wait until after the 10 year mark and if prices drop a good bit they may be a bargain for such a great car. You could still go with the Porsche warranty system, or have the car looked after by independents in the knowledge that the engine could let you down. Porsche would go down the new engine route, but surely some the indies with a large experience of rebuilding Porsche engines would be able to do a great job at a much lower cost. Maybe a 4.0L conversion for example. Just thoughts, not gospel. You could always ask Ninemeister or Hartech what they think. I would have thought they'd be happy to offer a bit of informal advice. Just do it, life’s too short to wait for if, buts or maybe’s. If you lose money on the car, so what, that’s normal right?! Picture for encouragement! Edited by Mankers on Friday 26th August 21:48

I was looking at that one this morning. Looks lovely. I know it totally blows the budget but they've also got a lovely yellow 911.2 GT3. I'm actually heading to Porsche Chester on Tuesday if you want me to find out any more info for you.

Mankers said: Grantstown said: Maybe it's best to wait until after the 10 year mark and if prices drop a good bit they may be a bargain for such a great car. You could still go with the Porsche warranty system, or have the car looked after by independents in the knowledge that the engine could let you down. Porsche would go down the new engine route, but surely some the indies with a large experience of rebuilding Porsche engines would be able to do a great job at a much lower cost. Maybe a 4.0L conversion for example. Just thoughts, not gospel. You could always ask Ninemeister or Hartech what they think. I would have thought they'd be happy to offer a bit of informal advice. Just do it, life’s too short to wait for if, buts or maybe’s. If you lose money on the car, so what, that’s normal right?! Picture for encouragement! Edited by Mankers on Friday 26th August 21:48 I agree really. What I was trying to say is that there will be a solution out there if the worst happens (from the fantastic engineering outlets that we’re lucky to have in the UK).

Grantstown said: Maybe it's best to wait until after the 10 year mark and if prices drop a good bit they may be a bargain for such a great car. You could still go with the Porsche warranty system, or have the car looked after by independents in the knowledge that the engine could let you down. Porsche would go down the new engine route, but surely some the indies with a large experience of rebuilding Porsche engines would be able to do a great job at a much lower cost. Maybe a 4.0L conversion for example. Just thoughts, not gospel. You could always ask Ninemeister or Hartech what they think. I would have thought they'd be happy to offer a bit of informal advice. Just do it, life’s too short to wait for if, buts or maybe’s. If you lose money on the car, so what, that’s normal right?! Picture for encouragement! Edited by Mankers on Saturday 27th August 07:43

I’d recommend looking for one that has the latest G6 engine, OPC warranty and it’s an amazing car and raw so maybe try one first

Deansfield said: I’d recommend looking for one that has the latest G6 engine, OPC warranty and it’s an amazing car and raw so maybe try one first +1 to this. Tread carefully and definitely make sure it has the later replacement engine and official extended porsche warranty, be careful on the number of owners. If you ever decide to sell a low owner, latest engine with a warranty will massively go in your favour. You may not get more money for it but it will be a lot less hassle to shift. There seems to be a regular supply of these popping up for sale now, I’m sure you will find a great car at a sensible price.

I can only concur that the 991.1 gt3 is a great car. Whether it’s a great “road” car to do 8-10k miles a year mostly commuting is debatable. Now preparing to be blasted by the gt3 worshipers!!!… but…I suggest you test drive both 991.1 gt3 and 991.2 gts before deciding. You've already experienced the 997 gts product and expect you understand the design philosophy of gts cars…. Everyday useable , enhanced spec and aesthetics with a good turn of speed over the standard or S models of the same range. I own a 991.2 gts as a daily (occasionally tracked) and have driven in a 991.1 gt3 both on track and road and think the gts is by far the better daily . Yes , on track the gt3 is (far) superior , especially in braking/handling . Cornering on track in the gt3 feels like a race car whereas the gts in comparison is ever so slightly soft and squidgy . Surprisingly ,on track acceleration out of slow corners the gts can distance itself from the gt3 by means of its low down torque and it’s only when approaching three figs the gt3 wins out. I’m not looking for who’s best here only giving thoughts on my experience. If it’s out and out speed you want the gt3 wins outright, no question . However to get outright speed from a gt3 you have to keep the revs up and in the power band . This to ensure instant urge/acceleration when requested and can get slightly trying as a daily. . On the road the gts is a bit more relaxed ,no matter the revs a simple push of the manenetto button gives max power/acceleration instantly , brilliant for snap overtaking. For me the car with the best road habits is the gts .Along with the spec enhancements over the standard car and the extra urge from the turbo engine make the gts a very attractive car thats more than fast enough for todays roads . That it’s (much) cheaper than an equivalent gt3 makes it a bit of a bargain in comparison. Only my twopence worth but reading your post thought I’d give a bit of input. Good luck with whatever your choice. Regards. Ian

Sorry but a GTS and GT3 is not even a comparison. GTS is a Carrera is bits stuck on and some software tweaking. GT3 proper motorsport car with an engine from the gods it’s just in another league of specialness. A Turbo S is way faster than a GT3 even on track but those who get and understand a GT3 will understand nothing else in the Porsche range can even come close to comparing how special and amazing a GT3 is to own and drive. It’s not about numbers or comfort or use ability it’s also about that motor and how special the GT3 is and after all the GT3 is a car that people consider against other supercars from other marques.

Gibbo205 said: Sorry but a GTS and GT3 is not even a comparison. GTS is a Carrera is bits stuck on and some software tweaking. GT3 proper motorsport car with an engine from the gods it’s just in another league of specialness. A Turbo S is way faster than a GT3 even on track but those who get and understand a GT3 will understand nothing else in the Porsche range can even come close to comparing how special and amazing a GT3 is to own and drive. It’s not about numbers or comfort or use ability it’s also about that motor and how special the GT3 is and after all the GT3 is a car that people consider against other supercars from other marques. I totally agree with you Andrew…the gt3 has little to beat it , especially at its price point. As a keen fast driver I’m only giving my opinion of the options the op may not have considered. We all love fast cars , my mate has a 450F type , it’s brilliant and a great fast drivers car but not for us . as you know when you’ve got the Porsche bug it’s hard to drop and change allegiance . My post was to give my thoughts on how to go fast in a Porsche at maybe a more economic and comfortable cost…as I already said for pure speed the GT3 is unbeatable but… as a daily there are others that can be considered …cheers. Ian

66 991 GT3s for sale on PH versus 170 991 Carreras. That’s less than a 1:3 ratio and a lot of these have 4-7 owners already. I think it’s therefore clear that these cars aren’t for everybody, so worth making sure it’s for you and not ending up trying to sell an 8 owner car next year.

Grantstown said: 66 991 GT3s for sale on PH versus 170 991 Carreras. That’s less than a 1:3 ratio and a lot of these have 4-7 owners already. I think it’s therefore clear that these cars aren’t for everybody, so worth making sure it’s for you and not ending up trying to sell an 8 owner car next year. Spot on Grantstown, some of these older GT cars have a massive amount of owners, many in a short period of time. I’m lead to believe an OPC can only sell a used car if it has a certain amount of owners. I personally wouldn’t consider a car with a high number of owners, one or two owners is the max for me personally.

GT4RS said: Spot on Grantstown, some of these older GT cars have a massive amount of owners, many in a short period of time. I’m lead to believe an OPC can only sell a used car if it has a certain amount of owners. I personally wouldn’t consider a car with a high number of owners, one or two owners is the max for me personally. It's weird, but do the one owner GT3's fetch a premium over multiple owned ones, it appears to not make much difference. Years back it would heavily effect the residual value. But, yes, one owner cars will surely sell faster and better.

I also would rather have low mileage / owners car BUT my first GT3 (996gen 2 )had 6 previous owners and was in wonderful condition, full opc history Remember many owners are well off and change cars often, also the flippers in later models

throt said: It's weird, but do the one owner GT3's fetch a premium over multiple owned ones, it appears to not make much difference. Years back it would heavily effect the residual value. But, yes, one owner cars will surely sell faster and better. Last year when I sold my 20k mile, single owner 2014 991.1 GT3 to my OPC, it was one of the few one owner cars available for sale (or so they told me).

I bought mine at 2 years old with 1100 miles on the clock. I was the 4th owner. Kept it for 18 months and sold it with 22000 miles on the clock. The guy who bought it did 5k in it and sold it. So that will now be at least a 6 owner car. You can ignore the first three owners as they were flippers

Just washed mine I do love it. The folding buckets are a must, mine are heated as well so nice bonus. Epic cars!

Some great replies gents, and seems like I have little to worry about, now to grow some balls and buy one !!!

Hi there 1. Warranty can be extended upto 15 years but buy one with an OPC warranty and extend it before it runs out, keeps it hassle free. 2. Original engines are E, then F and then G0. Replacement engines are G series. My car has an E series still and around 17,500 miles now but it’s done hardly any track work. It’s got 2yr OPC warranty so I never worry about it anyway. 3. Fine as a daily driver just such a great all round car. 4. Had a 997 and the 991 is a little larger but does not feel it to me. Get one they are absolutely cracking cars that do everything do well.

throt said: GT4RS said: Spot on Grantstown, some of these older GT cars have a massive amount of owners, many in a short period of time. I’m lead to believe an OPC can only sell a used car if it has a certain amount of owners. I personally wouldn’t consider a car with a high number of owners, one or two owners is the max for me personally. It's weird, but do the one owner GT3's fetch a premium over multiple owned ones, it appears to not make much difference. Years back it would heavily effect the residual value. But, yes, one owner cars will surely sell faster and better. I’m not sure a 2 owner car will sell for more than a 6 owner car, but it will definitely make selling process easier when the buyers start asking a million and one questions. A dealer will also use this to chip you on a px. Like I say I personally wouldn’t buy a car with a lot of owners even if the first 4 were in a short period of time. Each to their own I guess.

Finance pending my five owner car including me sold yesterday, first guy to view it, he was totally blown away by it. I purchased it for same reasons, condition, whether it is 1 owner or 10 owners I buy on condition and service history, supercars can swap hands often and regular as people try different cars or are just scratching an itch. As long as the condition is spot on for me its more important than mileage and amount of owners. It is even still on its original engine, maybe its had an easy life which I think it has as I know owner 3 and 4 never tracked it, when I had a recent alignment the guy doing it noted how it had not been done before so it probably has done no track work previous to me or like me I don't abuse it on track, 1-2 laps warm up, no more than 15 minutes per session and 2+ laps cooling down. The next owner of mine was not concerned about original engine, his response one it has warranty and he shall continue to extend it so when it does let go Porsche can drop a new motor in it, which was exactly my attitude as well.

I was looking at 991.1 gt3 from an OPC. When I enquired about the engine 10 year warranty , contrary to what folks are saying here. The OPC said the specific fix/new engine warranty will expire. You would then be under the (3rd party) standard Porsche extended warranty . How the extended warranty would view engine issues depends if they think it’s wear and tear or track use etc and definitely wouldn’t be dropping ina brand new engine possibly- no one has yet to try and claim. Just food for thought. I went with a GT4 in the end and love the mid engine setup

bosshog said: I was looking at 991.1 gt3 from an OPC. When I enquired about the engine 10 year warranty , contrary to what folks are saying here. The OPC said the specific fix/new engine warranty will expire. You would then be under the (3rd party) standard Porsche extended warranty . How the extended warranty would view engine issues depends if they think it’s wear and tear or track use etc and definitely wouldn’t be dropping ina brand new engine possibly- no one has yet to try and claim. Just food for thought. I went with a GT4 in the end and love the mid engine setup The 991.1 RS has the same engine issues and has no 10yr goodwill warranty and as such the claims are made under the extended third party warranty and there have been no issues with claims, I know a few gen 1 RS cars running replacement G series engines which were claimed for under extended warranty. Stop trying to create a fear which does not exist, Porsche extended warranty covers the engine.

1. I would avoid any E engined cars, yes the later ones can still fail but I think the risk is significantly decreased. 2. GT3s always keep their money well. If you're lucky you might even make a profit (they were down to 80k at one point) but that ship has most likely sailed. 3. I would strongly recommend one with lift if you're going into London. Ride will be firmer than your current car but still perfectly useable. Cup2s aren't great in the wet/cold so if you're using it all year round you might want to get a spare set of wheels/tyres. 4. Definitely feels bigger, although you do get used to it. I much prefer the size and shape of the 997 tbh. As some people have alluded to already, do not think the driving experience will be anything like your GTS. You will sacrifice a bit of usability and in return you get 9k rpm and a much more focused driving experience.

Gibbo205 said: The 991.1 RS has the same engine issues and has no 10yr goodwill warranty and as such the claims are made under the extended third party warranty and there have been no issues with claims, I know a few gen 1 RS cars running replacement G series engines which were claimed for under extended warranty. Stop trying to create a fear which does not exist, Porsche extended warranty covers the engine. I’m not trying to create a ‘fear’ lol. Just sharing what I found out and I do t think it’s incorrect in terms of the 10 year warranty. I had no idea about the RS and that’s really good news so should put the OP mind at rest on this aspect. Had the OPC told me about the RS claims on the extended warranty I might had brought the 991.1 Edited by bosshog on Monday 29th August 21:38

Just a few salient points to add to other posters remarks some who have also owned a 991.1 GT3 amongst other GT3s including myself btw. Lift is essential in London. Any 991 GT3 without lift is also worth around £2k less and harder to sell too. Heated seats were available with all comfort seat options and the only bucket seat option the older folding buckets. Low owner cars obviously sell for more money and any GT3 buyer who knows their market whether trade or retail will confirm this. Many buyers will not touch cars in excess of 3 owners including myself. There are a number of 991.2 GT3s around with in excess of 6 owners also 981 GT4s and Spyders together with 991.1 GT3s with similar number of owners and these cars ARE difficult sells. Private sales of 1 owner GT3s are distinctly sort after. If you buy a car with an original engine and if it is a post May 2014 car chances are it could well have had a newer factory upgraded engine on the production line as was the case with my car which was delivered in October 2014. My OPC arranged a certificate to confirm this and upon sale the buyers paid a premium ££ for it because not just because it was 1 owner but it hadn't been sitting around outside an OPC awaiting the engine swap as was the case with 2013 and early 2014 cars a number of whichvwere damaged. Good certification to have with the cars history. The GTS is no comparison whatsoever with the GT3 and is not meant to be. If you buy the right car you will have relatively inexpensive motoring for such a capable car as the 991.1 GT3. The huge price gap between this and the 991.2 thereafter the 992 GT3 will ensure this as residuals between models are closely interlinked. Bear in mind the 992 GT3 is now £136k basic so 36% more expensive than the 991.1 with imminent price rises likely, these cars whilst having eased a bit are still selling for £225k plus, spec dependent, production is now severely restricted and residuals are therefore solid and guaranteed for many years to come all of which will reflect positively on the 991.1.

av185 said: Just a few salient points to add to other posters remarks some who have also owned a 991.1 GT3 amongst other GT3s including myself btw. Lift is essential in London. Any 991 GT3 without lift is also worth around £2k less and harder to sell too. Heated seats were available with all comfort seat options and the only bucket seat option the older folding buckets. Low owner cars obviously sell for more money and any GT3 buyer who knows their market whether trade or retail will confirm this. Many buyers will not touch cars in excess of 3 owners including myself. There are a number of 991.2 GT3s around with in excess of 6 owners also 981 GT4s and Spyders together with 991.1 GT3s with similar number of owners and these cars ARE difficult sells. Private sales of 1 owner GT3s are distinctly sort after. If you buy a car with an original engine and if it is a post May 2014 car chances are it could well have had a newer factory upgraded engine on the production line as was the case with my car which was delivered in October 2014. My OPC arranged a certificate to confirm this and upon sale the buyers paid a premium ££ for it because not just because it was 1 owner but it hadn't been sitting around outside an OPC awaiting the engine swap as was the case with 2013 and early 2014 cars a number of whichvwere damaged. Good certification to have with the cars history. The GTS is no comparison whatsoever with the GT3 and is not meant to be. If you buy the right car you will have relatively inexpensive motoring for such a capable car as the 991.1 GT3. The huge price gap between this and the 991.2 thereafter the 992 GT3 will ensure this as residuals between models are closely interlinked. Bear in mind the 992 GT3 is now £136k basic so 36% more expensive than the 991.1 with imminent price rises likely, these cars whilst having eased a bit are still selling for £225k plus, spec dependent, production is now severely restricted and residuals are therefore solid and guaranteed for many years to come all of which will reflect positively on the 991.1. What’s odd is asking prices of 991.1 gt3 and 991.2 gt3 seem to be getting closer. It wasn’t that long ago 95k got you a great 991.1 gt3. Now good spec low mile, low owner cars are 110k. Nice 991.2 gt3 have dropped and now can be had for £150k or less. To me the gap is to small as the 991.2 gt3 is a better car and doesn’t have the worry of the engine quality. Current 991.1 gt3 pricing doesn’t make sense.

Gibbo205 said: bosshog said: I was looking at 991.1 gt3 from an OPC. When I enquired about the engine 10 year warranty , contrary to what folks are saying here. The OPC said the specific fix/new engine warranty will expire. You would then be under the (3rd party) standard Porsche extended warranty . How the extended warranty would view engine issues depends if they think it’s wear and tear or track use etc and definitely wouldn’t be dropping ina brand new engine possibly- no one has yet to try and claim. Just food for thought. I went with a GT4 in the end and love the mid engine setup The 991.1 RS has the same engine issues and has no 10yr goodwill warranty and as such the claims are made under the extended third party warranty and there have been no issues with claims, I know a few gen 1 RS cars running replacement G series engines which were claimed for under extended warranty. Stop trying to create a fear which does not exist, Porsche extended warranty covers the engine. Are you 100% sure the 991.1 gt3 rs has the same issues? I’m lead to believe it’s an updated engine, or am I incorrect?

GT4RS said: av185 said: Just a few salient points to add to other posters remarks some who have also owned a 991.1 GT3 amongst other GT3s including myself btw. Lift is essential in London. Any 991 GT3 without lift is also worth around £2k less and harder to sell too. Heated seats were available with all comfort seat options and the only bucket seat option the older folding buckets. Low owner cars obviously sell for more money and any GT3 buyer who knows their market whether trade or retail will confirm this. Many buyers will not touch cars in excess of 3 owners including myself. There are a number of 991.2 GT3s around with in excess of 6 owners also 981 GT4s and Spyders together with 991.1 GT3s with similar number of owners and these cars ARE difficult sells. Private sales of 1 owner GT3s are distinctly sort after. If you buy a car with an original engine and if it is a post May 2014 car chances are it could well have had a newer factory upgraded engine on the production line as was the case with my car which was delivered in October 2014. My OPC arranged a certificate to confirm this and upon sale the buyers paid a premium ££ for it because not just because it was 1 owner but it hadn't been sitting around outside an OPC awaiting the engine swap as was the case with 2013 and early 2014 cars a number of whichvwere damaged. Good certification to have with the cars history. The GTS is no comparison whatsoever with the GT3 and is not meant to be. If you buy the right car you will have relatively inexpensive motoring for such a capable car as the 991.1 GT3. The huge price gap between this and the 991.2 thereafter the 992 GT3 will ensure this as residuals between models are closely interlinked. Bear in mind the 992 GT3 is now £136k basic so 36% more expensive than the 991.1 with imminent price rises likely, these cars whilst having eased a bit are still selling for £225k plus, spec dependent, production is now severely restricted and residuals are therefore solid and guaranteed for many years to come all of which will reflect positively on the 991.1. What’s odd is asking prices of 991.1 gt3 and 991.2 gt3 seem to be getting closer. It wasn’t that long ago 95k got you a great 991.1 gt3. Now good spec low mile, low owner cars are 110k. Nice 991.2 gt3 have dropped and now can be had for £150k or less. To me the gap is to small as the 991.2 gt3 is a better car and doesn’t have the worry of the engine quality. Current 991.1 gt3 pricing doesn’t make sense. Both have risen in price latterly along with other desirable cars and the 991.2 GT3 is still 50% more expensive than the 'equivalent' gen 1 reflecting how Porsche moved the game on with the gen 2 and not just with the far better engine. Also don't forget most gen 2s are half the age of gen 1s which is obviously also reflected in the price. As with all Porsche GTs the different gen cars are closely interlinked price wise and many buyers have chosen the gen 2 GT3 with its superb manual gearbox option over the PDK 991.1 Gt3 RS the former having the far superior engine with a proper 9k rev limit unlike the lower revving RS engine which has also been problematic along with the gen 1 GT3. Porsche could well have reduced the rev limit on the RS due to the engine issues. As ever the best spec lowest owner mileage and provenance cars will always sell for the best money whether gen 1 or gen 2.

GT4RS said: Are you 100% sure the 991.1 gt3 rs has the same issues? I’m lead to believe it’s an updated engine, or am I incorrect? Yes it’s an updated engine with also reduced redline of 8800rpm in first and second gear and then 8500rpm in third gear onwards. Unfortunately the engine still fails in a similar fashion to the regular GT3. I know a few RS owners and two of them both had engine failure which was covered by their extended warranties. When I started looking for an RS around half the cars I enquired about had all had replacement engines under extended warranty because the changes Porsche made did not solve the issue and thus it’s still an issue. Their is no 10yr goodwill warranty on the RS officially but I’m sure if someone had an issue Porsche would step up but for peace of mind the extended warranty will mean a customer has no issues claiming. I also know of one person who had an early E series GT3 go bang which Porsche replaced with an F series which also went bang and is now on a G series and so far so good. 991.2 onwards seems trouble free and hence the 40-60k premium.

Just to say…. Gen 2 engines have been starting to fail now with miles… I’ve heard/seen of 2 within the last 2 weeks. One in GT3, one in 3RSWP. Warranty protected cars…. So brand new engines fitted. These things are made by men… so will fail.

Buy on good condition and well looked after over low miles/1 owner cars, make sure it has full OPC history or this could/will affect any engine warranty claim should that rise in the future. As mentioned above the amount of owners really doesn't make a much of a difference as these cars change hands quicker than a 'normal' car. Engine talk is generally spoken by people who dont or never have owned a 911.1 - mine is still on the original engine and warranty will be extended as soon as the 10 year lapses. I wouldn't want to run one without but seeing as i am going to have a warranty i am not concerned.

That_White_GT3 said: Buy on good condition and well looked after over low miles/1 owner cars, make sure it has full OPC history or this could/will affect any engine warranty claim should that rise in the future. As mentioned above the amount of owners really doesn't make a much of a difference as these cars change hands quicker than a 'normal' car. Engine talk is generally spoken by people who dont or never have owned a 911.1 - mine is still on the original engine and warranty will be extended as soon as the 10 year lapses. I wouldn't want to run one without but seeing as i am going to have a warranty i am not concerned. I agree with everything you say. I’ve never really understood the obsession with number of owners, and certainly wouldn’t pay a premium for a low ownership car. If anything, a change of owner on a car from a dealer means it’s gone through an inspection and any faults remedied, in addition to any scheduled maintenance that will have been done.

IREvans said: I agree with everything you say. I’ve never really understood the obsession with number of owners, and certainly wouldn’t pay a premium for a low ownership car. If anything, a change of owner on a car from a dealer means it’s gone through an inspection and any faults remedied, in addition to any scheduled maintenance that will have been done. This is my thinking too, I buy a car on quality and service history. My Boxster Spyder I am like the 11th owner, the advantages of this is that previous owners have spent money on additional items such as Porsche short shifter, GT3 brake cooling ducts and additional servicing. The car has not put a foot wrong and it is in superb condition, the reason I purchased it, but high amount of owners does put potential buyers off, the bonus is that it meant I was able to get not only a superb car but one of the best specification on the market and nothing better has come up for sale since I got it.

Well, what can I say, I'm humbled by the responses and the information, also spoke at length with my favoured Indie and they now know what I am potentially after, so its a waiting game, its a first world problem and I am not chomping at the bit to get out of my GTS ... He has recommended I go drive one or at least get out for a decent passenger run in one, so if anyone near Reading fancies blunting their cars performance by letting me park my backside in the passenger seat that would be appreciated and coffee and cake would be on me.

I was at reading OPC last week, but mines a .2 Good luck, buddy.

throt said: I was at reading OPC last week, but mines a .2 Good luck, buddy. Cheers mate. Budget doesn't get me to a .2 as I also have a new track bike on the shopping list for next year !!!

dibblecorse said: Cheers mate. Budget doesn't get me to a .2 as I also have a new track bike on the shopping list for next year !!! Tell me about it, motorbike or pushbike ?. Ducati Panigale V4 SP 2. Very tempted. Or a Specialized S-Works SL7 Sorry, guys, off topic.

throt said: Tell me about it, motorbike or pushbike ?. Ducati Panigale V4 SP 2. Very tempted. Or a Specialized S-Works SL7 Sorry, guys, off topic. 2023 Panigale V4R ;-) awaiting its announcement, probably at EICMA ... if not sooner .... V4 SP2 is my fallback position !!! Or the V4 race bike a good friend has built with a better spec than the SP2 !!!!

dibblecorse said: throt said: Tell me about it, motorbike or pushbike ?. Ducati Panigale V4 SP 2. Very tempted. Or a Specialized S-Works SL7 Sorry, guys, off topic. 2023 Panigale V4R ;-) awaiting its announcement, probably at EICMA ... if not sooner .... V4 SP2 is my fallback position !!! Or the V4 race bike a good friend has built with a better spec than the SP2 !!!! The Duc's are beautiful. I wait to take a look at the 23 model too then. Cheers

throt said: dibblecorse said: throt said: Tell me about it, motorbike or pushbike ?. Ducati Panigale V4 SP 2. Very tempted. Or a Specialized S-Works SL7 Sorry, guys, off topic. 2023 Panigale V4R ;-) awaiting its announcement, probably at EICMA ... if not sooner .... V4 SP2 is my fallback position !!! Or the V4 race bike a good friend has built with a better spec than the SP2 !!!! The Duc's are beautiful. I wait to take a look at the 23 model too then. Cheers If we are going off topic !! and in fairness I am the OP lol ... sorry gents ....

dibblecorse said: If we are going off topic !! and in fairness I am the OP lol ... sorry gents .... Hehehe,, very nice and naughty. I get it now, dibble. From bikes I wanted a car to excite me too, hence my choice, a GT3. The other choice was a Speciale A GT3 will not give you that out and out buzz at superbike level, but you will certainly enjoy blasting it around the countryside twistie. Mine is seriously quick on them, the feedback from a GT3 is addictive.

Hi Dibble, I am over near Ascot so would be happy to meet half-way somewhere and take you for a quick passenger ride.

Mr R said: Hi Dibble, I am over near Ascot so would be happy to meet half-way somewhere and take you for a quick passenger ride. Mate, that's an awesome offer, my office is in Staines so that might be quite easy, are you sure though?

You guys are near me. Often go to the Ferrari dealer near Staines. Get that GT3, bud, we can all have a burn out.

throt said: You guys are near me. Often go to the Ferrari dealer near Staines. Get that GT3, bud, we can all have a burn out. Cool, or just grab a coffee one day if anyone fancies it !! I drive or ride past Maranellos Egham on my way home ... Regards the GT3, have called my favoured Indie ;-)

dibblecorse said: Cool, or just grab a coffee one day if anyone fancies it !! I drive or ride past Maranellos Egham on my way home ... Regards the GT3, have called my favoured Indie ;-) I send you a PM laters, bud

dibblecorse said: Mate, that's an awesome offer, my office is in Staines so that might be quite easy, are you sure though? Of course! I will try and figure out how to send you a private message so that we can fix some plans but I have no idea how to use the functionality on this forum so bear with me!

Mr R said: dibblecorse said: Mate, that's an awesome offer, my office is in Staines so that might be quite easy, are you sure though? Of course! I will try and figure out how to send you a private message so that we can fix some plans but I have no idea how to use the functionality on this forum so bear with me! Got your email, will WhatsApp you tomorrow with my contact details.

robj4 said: In case the OP is still considering a .1 thought I’d share my recent engine replacement experience. Three weeks ago the ‘Reduced power, ok to drive’ check light came on a couple of times. Porsche assistance sent the AA who agreed it should be recovered to a dealer even though the fault code was just misfire cylinder 6 Dealer replaced coil packs and plugs, pronounced fixed. Same fault and reduced power 4 miles from the dealer, returned and a couple of days later Porsche agreed to drop the engine and inspect Cams and followers. Wear shown on just about all all and a new engine arrived three business days later, a G6 with all ancillaries including new primary cats, alternator etc The car is a late 2014 which I bought still with its original engine, my logic was I’d look for one that had the spec I wanted and if it’s still on the original engine maybe it hasn’t had too hard a life. With a 2 year and 9 month warranty I’d have time to use it how I want to without worry if the cam follower coating breaks down. Rennlist and a couple of other owners were a great help in making sure I was aware of the procedures to a replacement engine. It’s not difficult but if anyone would like to hear the details PM me. Looking forward to having the car back with a free, new, improved engine at 20k miles on an 8 year old high performance car. Amazing really and still with two years full warranty left. You didnt have this done at Porsche Silverstone by any chance did you?

That_White_GT3 said: You didnt have this done at Porsche Silverstone by any chance did you? No I didn't, any particular reason for asking? The car has been to Porsche Silverstone in the past though.

In case the OP is still considering a .1 thought I’d share my recent engine replacement experience. Three weeks ago the ‘Reduced power, ok to drive’ check light came on a couple of times. Porsche assistance sent the AA who agreed it should be recovered to a dealer even though the fault code was just misfire cylinder 6 Dealer replaced coil packs and plugs, pronounced fixed. Same fault and reduced power 4 miles from the dealer, returned and a couple of days later Porsche agreed to drop the engine and inspect Cams and followers. Wear shown on just about all and a new engine arrived three business days later, a G6 with all ancillaries including new primary cats, alternator etc The car is a late 2014 which I bought still with its original engine, my logic was I’d look for one that had the spec I wanted and if it’s still on the original engine maybe it hasn’t had too hard a life. With a 2 year and 9 month warranty I’d have time to use it how I want to without worry if the cam follower coating breaks down. Rennlist and a couple of other owners were a great help in making sure I was aware of the procedures to a replacement engine. It’s not difficult but if anyone would like to hear the details PM me. Looking forward to having the car back with a free, new, improved engine at 20k miles on an 8 year old high performance car. Amazing really and still with two years full warranty left. Edited by robj4 on Friday 23 September 08:51

Rob Thats good to know, and like you say, you've had a real result ..... I guess the moral of the story here is I need a car with the OPC warranty intact for the engine, even in early cars that look like they may have got away with it !!

dibblecorse said: Rob Thats good to know, and like you say, you've had a real result ..... I guess the moral of the story here is I need a car with the OPC warranty intact for the engine, even in early cars that look like they may have got away with it !! Well the warranty for the engine is separate and transferable no matter where you buy the car. The OPC warranty is worth it for all the other stuff that goes wrong, in my opinion anyway. There's a great thread on Rennlist, all 991.1 GT3's have a 10 year engine warranty from date of first delivery / registration. If the engine suffers a fault due to wear on the Cam Followers Porsche will replace the engine. This was confirmed to me by the OPC that is carrying out the work on my car. If you don't have the Porsche standard warranty extension then I'd assume you would have to pay for the plugs, coil packs, dropping the engine to examine.. So yes I think you're probably right, make sure you have that too. They had a G6 engine in stock in the UK when my car was diagnosed. Edited by robj4 on Friday 23 September 09:58

robj4 said: dibblecorse said: Rob Thats good to know, and like you say, you've had a real result ..... I guess the moral of the story here is I need a car with the OPC warranty intact for the engine, even in early cars that look like they may have got away with it !! Well the warranty for the engine is separate and transferable no matter where you buy the car. The OPC warranty is worth it for all the other stuff that goes wrong, in my opinion anyway. There's a great thread on Rennlist, all 991.1 GT3's have a 10 year engine warranty from date of first delivery / registration. If the engine suffers a fault due to wear on the Cam Followers Porsche will replace the engine. This was confirmed to me by the OPC that is carrying out the work on my car. If you don't have the Porsche standard warranty extension then I'd assume you would have to pay for the plugs, coil packs, dropping the engine to examine.. So yes I think you're probably right, make sure you have that too. They had a G6 engine in stock in the UK when my car was diagnosed. Edited by robj4 on Friday 23 September 09:58 Great insight and thanks ....

robj4 said: In case the OP is still considering a .1 thought I’d share my recent engine replacement experience. Very useful info, thanks for sharing. Which engine did your car have originally?

robj4 said: In case the OP is still considering a .1 thought I’d share my recent engine replacement experience. Three weeks ago the ‘Reduced power, ok to drive’ check light came on a couple of times. Porsche assistance sent the AA who agreed it should be recovered to a dealer even though the fault code was just misfire cylinder 6 Dealer replaced coil packs and plugs, pronounced fixed. Same fault and reduced power 4 miles from the dealer, returned and a couple of days later Porsche agreed to drop the engine and inspect Cams and followers. Wear shown on just about all and a new engine arrived three business days later, a G6 with all ancillaries including new primary cats, alternator etc The car is a late 2014 which I bought still with its original engine, my logic was I’d look for one that had the spec I wanted and if it’s still on the original engine maybe it hasn’t had too hard a life. With a 2 year and 9 month warranty I’d have time to use it how I want to without worry if the cam follower coating breaks down. Rennlist and a couple of other owners were a great help in making sure I was aware of the procedures to a replacement engine. It’s not difficult but if anyone would like to hear the details PM me. Looking forward to having the car back with a free, new, improved engine at 20k miles on an 8 year old high performance car. Amazing really and still with two years full warranty left. Edited by robj4 on Friday 23 September 08:51 To add to this I've recently had a similar experience. I've owned my late 2014 991.1 GT3 since Nov 21, a 2 owner 13.5k mile car with original engine. The first owner covered half those miles in 6 years, the second covered the rest in just 1 year. I've covered 4k miles since which is higher than I will average but included a fairly mega 3.3k mile Euro road trip for a significant birthday. I had a couple of the warnings flag up, always only at very high revs 'reduced power ok to drive', a reset of the ignition took it out of limp mode and cleared the warning, so you're not stranded when it does happen. My local OPC (Norwich) had the car in and dropped the engine immediately without skirting around the issue fitting coil packs etc, wear was noted on the lobes and the replacement engine process began. Being a relatively new dealer it's the first they've encountered but they couldn't have been better, new engine was in and car back within three weeks. I won't deny that when it happened I was massively annoyed as I went into the purchase fully aware of the problem but with the 'it won't happen to me' attitude if I'm honest. Without the backed up stories of how well Porsche cover this issue then I wouldn't have purchased the car but during my ownership the Porsche warranty will always be extended in any case. From what I've found on Rennlist etc there hasn't been a related issue on the latest G series engines which have been fitted since around 2017. So I now see it that I've got a brand new improved engine (cost of the engine without ancillaries or labour was £40k apparently) so a win win. My only inconvenience is that I'm now running it in rather than enjoying it properly, during a period where I didn't want to accumulate many miles. I know of another owner who purchased a lovely 5k miles example at the same time as me (I narrowly missed it) who's just had a replacement engine also, not sure how many miles he covered since purchase however.

Shaoxter said: robj4 said: In case the OP is still considering a .1 thought I’d share my recent engine replacement experience. Very useful info, thanks for sharing. Which engine did your car have originally? It was still with the original E series. Delivered late enough for the initial rod bolt check / mod. Probably.

NathR said: I won't deny that when it happened I was massively annoyed as I went into the purchase fully aware of the problem but with the 'it won't happen to me' attitude if I'm honest. Nice you got it sorted even more simply! I went into the process hoping it would happen, feels like getting a new car almost.

robj4 said: Nice you got it sorted even more simply! I went into the process hoping it would happen, feels like getting a new car almost. That is the correct way of thinking to be fair!

This is why 991.1's are such superb value. My Guards Red 991.1 sold within one week of me advertising, the new owner is of the same mindset as me, when it does blow up, he knows Porsche has his back, even if it blows beyond 10 years old as he will keep extending the warranty. My car was an original E series on 17,000 miles and still going strong, the new owner is hoping it will blow so he can get a nice free motor and ancillaries. 991.1 superb cars, great value for money!

I’m not sure Porsche will continue with the new engines after the 10 years is up. It’s only the hard coating failing on the cam followers, although then wear on the cams if not caught quickly. Yes there’s tiny particles then in the oil system but not chunks of metal, I’d be surprised if they couldn’t be repaired. Interestingly there’s a 991.1 RS on CC that has had a bank of followers replaced, no idea what it’s history is though. People have posted that .1 RS’s have had new engines under warranty too even though the 10 year doesn’t specifically apply to them. Once the 10 years is up maybe each case will be decided on its merits.

robj4 said: I’m not sure Porsche will continue with the new engines after the 10 years is up. It’s only the hard coating failing on the cam followers, although then wear on the cams if not caught quickly. Yes there’s tiny particles then in the oil system but not chunks of metal, I’d be surprised if they couldn’t be repaired. Interestingly there’s a 991.1 RS on CC that has had a bank of followers replaced, no idea what it’s history is though. People have posted that .1 RS’s have had new engines under warranty too even though the 10 year doesn’t specifically apply to them. Once the 10 years is up maybe each case will be decided on its merits. I know of three RS that had engine failure, one was rebuilt under warranty and the other two had new engines, all were done under extended warranty and all three were used a lot on track.

Gibbo205 said: I know of three RS that had engine failure, one was rebuilt under warranty and the other two had new engines, all were done under extended warranty and all three were used a lot on track. Interesting, do you know what failed in those cases? Curious if they all had the finger follower coating breakdown or something else. There’s a post on Rennlist that the G6 engine has the same head design as the RS in respect of lubrication and cam and follower surface finish

robj4 said: No I didn't, any particular reason for asking? The car has been to Porsche Silverstone in the past though. Mine was in for some warranty work the other week and i saw a .1 having a new engine fitted. The timing worked with yours so wondered if it might be yours.

Ahh ok, wonder how many engines Porsche made, seems to be a bit of a rush on! Hope you got what we was needed done ok