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Was speaking with my OPC last week - their thinking is that there could be a T version announced later this year. Based on the 991.2 version, I’m thinking it will be a manual base model, different gear ratios to the S,, lightweight glass, options on rear seat and info systems, pse and sc, lowered suspension, less sound proofing, fabric door pulls, a bit of alcantara/racetec ( or whatever they’re calling it now..)… Anything else? And price? Just north of £90k?

Nick981 said: Was speaking with my OPC last week - their thinking is that there could be a T version announced later this year. Based on the 991.2 version, I’m thinking it will be a manual base model, different gear ratios to the S,, lightweight glass, options on rear seat and info systems, pse and sc, lowered suspension, less sound proofing, fabric door pulls, a bit of alcantara/racetec ( or whatever they’re calling it now..)… Anything else? And price? Just north of £90k? LOL good to see your OPD is in the loop, how are they gettign their news, a crystal ball?. It has been in publications already for a November launch!!! their thinking Perhaps call them up tomorrow and you can educate them. Should be the other way round right. Bottom right corner of the attached. It will have a PCM delete for a more streamlined dash appearance and all analog dials exclusive to this model.

Isn’t that just media speculation? Have Porsche officially announced anything yet?

Nick981 said: Isn’t that just media speculation? Have Porsche officially announced anything yet? Not to the level of Woodward and Bernstein but motoring journalists are well informed by insider knowledge, more so than OPD's. Whats appears speculation is, in the automotive world, usually fact.

It’s definitely happening it was announced internally a few weeks ago according to my OPC. No other details until it’s configurable is what I was told.

Do what features would people expect? What features would they like to see? Guesses at price?

I'd love the 6 speed manual from the GT3/4 or the new GT3 shifter for the PDK. And the GT4 4.0l although its very unlikely!

I’m thinking manual only and definitely pse and sc. Price beteeen base and S - hopefully not breaking £90k

you should be able to convert yours to T spec by buying the rear glass and converting the fabric door pulleys

WCZ said: you should be able to convert yours to T spec by buying the rear glass and converting the fabric door pulleys Mine? I used to have a 991.2 GTS, but currently driving a 981B GTS so it would take more than glass and door pulls to convert it to a 992 T! 😂 The 981 GTS is a great fun car to drive, but there’s something about a 911 that keeps pulling me back! I’m sure my wife and bank manager (not the same person!) will understand!

WCZ said: you should be able to convert yours to T spec by buying the rear glass and converting the fabric door pulleys I'd say you are able to turn your C2/C2S or whatever into a much more special/focused car by just doing a few things to it. Of course hardly anybody does that. Fabric door pulls are a marketing joke (and I have them in my car).

MDL111 said: I'd say you are able to turn your C2/C2S or whatever into a much more special/focused car by just doing a few things to it. Of course hardly anybody does that. Fabric door pulls are a marketing joke (and I have them in my car). Absolutely. I had my 991.2 manual carrera just before the T was launched. I would have had a T if it’d been available, but I wasn’t going to spend >20K to trade in and upgrade to the fabric door pulls and plastic rear glass. So far I’ve remapped, added the Akrapovic exhaust and a Wavetrack LSD. There’s loads of other stuff that can be done to the chassis and interior to add to the car. I’ll been interested to see what’s on offer with the 992 T, but it’ll need to be good.

A 992T is inevitable - the Porsche production machine has become very formulaic. Like many, I haven't yet warmed to the 992 - too big and techy for my 911 tastes, so it would be nice if there is a model that really does provide the traditional 911 qualities of lightness and simplicity. The 991T was rather a half-baked result, so I think Porsche might devote a bit more effort this time. Narrow body? - Sadly not possible 19" Wheels with PCCBs? - Probably not possible Manual Gearbox? - Sure, that's the vital starting point of any 'analogue' 911 Lwt Glass? - Yes Other Weight Saving materials? - Hope so, it really has to be the lightest of the production models in typical spec Enhanced Performance? - Not necessary - the base engine is fine. But a few extra bhp would elevate its status Seats? - Personal choice, but rears should be a delete option Austerity? This should be the theme, where less is more, with an element of 'nostalgia' in the detail Colours? - Should only be available in a limited selection of classic '70s shades And, finally, no tacky side decals..... please

Apart from the Turbo S it’s about the only 992 I’ve got interest in right now. I’d love to see an NA engine but that’s very unlikely. I’m really tempted with a 991.2T but prices are a little too hot right now so it makes sense to wait and see what Porsche manage to pull out of the bag. It would be brilliant if they could make it feel lighter and less GT like than the standard S and a bit more paired back as a driver focussed car.

PCM delete for a more streamlined dash appearance and all analog dials exclusive to this model.

julian987R said: PCM delete for a more streamlined dash appearance and all analog dials exclusive to this model. Analogue dials yes please. PCM I’d spec back in for life’s luxury but would be happy if it dominated less.

Shiverman said: julian987R said: PCM delete for a more streamlined dash appearance and all analog dials exclusive to this model. Analogue dials yes please. PCM I’d spec back in for life’s luxury but would be happy if it dominated less. I can guarantee you you will be pleasantly surprised

991.2 T was a great package although somewhat let down by the manual gearbox action particularly in the upper ratios. I said at the time they will become desirable due to rarity and last of the narrow bodied Carreras with a 997.1 Carrera feel and sound track too and this is reflected in the current high prices. Miss mine although it is no substitute for a 718 GT4 at roughly the same money which is a far more focused but slightly less usable drivers car. Biggest problem with the 992 T will be the wider body but anyone ordering one is recommended to keep the spec simple i.e. manual, T pack, lightweight glass, nav and thats about it. Mine of this spec (comfort seats) sold overnight from my OPC at approaching list £ price at 18 months old whereas PDK higher spec cars with less mileage hung around. Doubtful whether the 992 will be as desirable as the 991.2 medium to long term.

Don't get caught out like many others who ordered the privacy glass option which removed the light weight glass....that caught many out. Privacy glass is horrid, if you need privacy then are you really going to be sat in the back of a 911?!

julian987R said: Don't get caught out like many others who ordered the privacy glass option which removed the light weight glass....that caught many out. Privacy glass is horrid, if you need privacy then are you really going to be sat in the back of a 911?! people bought the car with privacy glass, pcm, etc and added all of the weight back in

MDL111 said: I'd say you are able to turn your C2/C2S or whatever into a much more special/focused car by just doing a few things to it. Of course hardly anybody does that. Fabric door pulls are a marketing joke (and I have them in my car). fabric door pulls are a big part of the car imo and have contributed to the psycology of it feeling special despite it being insanely half arsed

Missed the boat on the 991.2 Carrera T Fancy one this time around.

WCZ said: MDL111 said: I'd say you are able to turn your C2/C2S or whatever into a much more special/focused car by just doing a few things to it. Of course hardly anybody does that. Fabric door pulls are a marketing joke (and I have them in my car). fabric door pulls are a big part of the car imo and have contributed to the psycology of it feeling special despite it being insanely half arsed that might well be the case, but it is utterly pointless imo - a door pull is mainly to be used if you have no other way to hold on to the door to close it, so they should have then put a flat lightweight door card in it and a normal handle to activate the locking mechanism when opening it - you then use the strap to pull the door closed without touching the mechanism

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Koln-RS said: A 992T is inevitable - the Porsche production machine has become very formulaic. Like many, I haven't yet warmed to the 992 - too big and techy for my 911 tastes, so it would be nice if there is a model that really does provide the traditional 911 qualities of lightness and simplicity. The 991T was rather a half-baked result, so I think Porsche might devote a bit more effort this time. Narrow body? - Sadly not possible 19" Wheels with PCCBs? - Probably not possible Manual Gearbox? - Sure, that's the vital starting point of any 'analogue' 911 Lwt Glass? - Yes Other Weight Saving materials? - Hope so, it really has to be the lightest of the production models in typical spec Enhanced Performance? - Not necessary - the base engine is fine. But a few extra bhp would elevate its status Seats? - Personal choice, but rears should be a delete option Austerity? This should be the theme, where less is more, with an element of 'nostalgia' in the detail Colours? - Should only be available in a limited selection of classic '70s shades And, finally, no tacky side decals..... please All of that except I’d happily take a PDK. The manual on my 993 and 997.2RS are so much more involving that the new breed of manual and the turbo charged engines are designed with PDK in mind. They just work together so well. My issue is that 991.2TTS’s are now bobbing around the £100k mark and offer a LOT in both spec and performance at the same price as a badly specced 9924S… My wish list is PDK / buckets / PCCB in black / RWS

WCZ said: julian987R said: Don't get caught out like many others who ordered the privacy glass option which removed the light weight glass....that caught many out. Privacy glass is horrid, if you need privacy then are you really going to be sat in the back of a 911?! people bought the car with privacy glass, pcm, etc and added all of the weight back in The weight saving adds up to a few unnoticeable kilos. The weight of a fat b d passenger and/or driver is far more significant. (My BMI is an ideal 22.5 so I can happily tolerate the weight of privacy glass. And even a few other 'unnecessary' bits and pieces.)

Maxym said: The weight saving adds up to a few unnoticeable kilos. The weight of a fat b d passenger and/or driver is far more significant. (My BMI is an ideal 22.5 so I can happily tolerate the weight of privacy glass. And even a few other 'unnecessary' bits and pieces.) I agree but my point then is why buy a T over a normal car then?

Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts.

av185 said: Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts. Amen.

WCZ said: I agree but my point then is why buy a T over a normal car then? Because buckets

av185 said: Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts. do you think that there are undocumented differences porsche never told anyone about?

WCZ said: av185 said: Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts. do you think that there are undocumented differences porsche never told anyone about? I don't recall Porsche ever commenting on the back spoiler being higher when deployed than the base. I owned a T for 2 years and the gearing was perfect for B roads. Still miss it. I wish Porsche would bring back a narrow bodied 911 - maybe bring it back as a 912 but pigs might fly!

WCZ said: av185 said: Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts. do you think that there are undocumented differences porsche never told anyone about? The engine mounts were moved a bit further forward on the 991 Ts, over other 991s that’s one of the reasons as to why the handle so well.

APOLO1 said: The engine mounts were moved a bit further forward on the 991 Ts, over other 991s that’s one of the reasons as to why the handle so well. interesting, I thought there could be undiclosed changes vs the standard 991's as on paper the stated changes shouldn't make any real difference

WCZ said: interesting, I thought there could be undiclosed changes vs the standard 991's as on paper the stated changes shouldn't make any real difference I know what you mean, there are at times a few points on cars that dont make it into press info. The 991.2 GTS targa has its own Aero settings over the coupe, map on ECU and wider rear wheels. Same for the new engine MA275 in the 992GT3, aside to the Filters ITBs etc its quite a bit different to the ones in the 991s, including lighter Mahle Pistons, crank case etc. Even the PDK has revised clutches.

Quite a lot of effort went into the brochure. https://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/P... Can’t remember where I found this apologies for the screenshot but where Porsche position the T. Edited by Joscal on Saturday 24th July 10:20

Joscal said: Quite a lot of effort went into the brochure. https://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/P... Can’t remember where I found this apologies for the screenshot but where Porsche position the T. Edited by Joscal on Saturday 24th July 10:20 I don't think any modern Porsche can be thought of as 'purist'.

WCZ said: Maxym said: The weight saving adds up to a few unnoticeable kilos. The weight of a fat b d passenger and/or driver is far more significant. (My BMI is an ideal 22.5 so I can happily tolerate the weight of privacy glass. And even a few other 'unnecessary' bits and pieces.) I agree but my point then is why buy a T over a normal car then? Well why buy a T to save a few unnoticeable kilos? See what av185 said.

Maxym said: I don't think any modern Porsche can be thought of as 'purist'. It’s all relative though isn’t it? Last “purist” car would arguably be a late 80s 3.2 Carrera? Have to say that when I ordered my T back in 2017, I did so on the basis that I expected 992 to be bigger, more luxurious, even faster, more electronics, more of a GT car and, excellent as they are, I wasn’t far off the mark. My T hits the spot for me, and compared to Porsche’s latest offerings, looks “petite” and old fashioned already! Will be interesting to see the 992T and what it has to offer.

I don’t see the point in a 992 Carrera T ……. The 992 is just to big, luxurious and high tech to have a poverty spec T badge on it….just sounds wrong. I think porsche will introduce other new models like the 992 911 safari seen testing recently. Also they have announced you can spec all the light weigh options on a GTS. So that is the 992 T replacement.

The too big thing is a bit of a myth if you check the dimensions, it is bigger but not by much in the grand scheme of things. https://www.ultimatespecs.com/car-comparator/11448...

rob.kellock said: It’s all relative though isn’t it? Last “purist” car would arguably be a late 80s 3.2 Carrera? Have to say that when I ordered my T back in 2017, I did so on the basis that I expected 992 to be bigger, more luxurious, even faster, more electronics, more of a GT car and, excellent as they are, I wasn’t far off the mark. My T hits the spot for me, and compared to Porsche’s latest offerings, looks “petite” and old fashioned already! Will be interesting to see the 992T and what it has to offer.

tokyotv said: I don’t see the point in a 992 Carrera T ……. The 992 is just to big, luxurious and high tech to have a poverty spec T badge on it….just sounds wrong. I think porsche will introduce other new models like the 992 911 safari seen testing recently. Also they have announced you can spec all the light weigh options on a GTS. So that is the 992 T replacement. But the GTS is what…£30k more than the T might be.

tokyotv said: I don’t see the point in a 992 Carrera T ……. The 992 is just to big, luxurious and high tech to have a poverty spec T badge on it….just sounds wrong. I think porsche will introduce other new models like the 992 911 safari seen testing recently. Also they have announced you can spec all the light weigh options on a GTS. So that is the 992 T replacement. well it is coming as is the 992 Sport Classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xqLq30kXxM We caught up with Achleitner at Porsche's Rennsport Reunion late last month. He was a bit tight-lipped on the forthcoming 992, but he gave us a few nuggets of information. When we asked him if the Carrera T would return, he said "absolutely." https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/... Edited by julian987R on Saturday 31st July 00:16

Grantstown said: I knew the Taycan was big but didn’t realise it was that much bigger! Puts it in perspective, the 991 looks so dainty in comparison. The 5 cm additional width of the 992 will only make it more aggressive looking to my eyes. I love my T and am pretty excited about the new one. Porsche are on a roll at the moment the new GT3 is an absolute weapon and looks just fine I reckon!

Presumably the T would be manual - thereby saving about 90lbs over the PDK and contributing to the ‘light 911’ ethos….

Nick981 said: Presumably the T would be manual - thereby saving about 90lbs over the PDK and contributing to the ‘light 911’ ethos…. 992 T will be manual and schedule release November 2021!!

ClubsportStr said: Nick981 said: Presumably the T would be manual - thereby saving about 90lbs over the PDK and contributing to the ‘light 911’ ethos…. 992 T will be manual and schedule release November 2021!! Ooh. Do tell. I’m test driving a boggo Carrera next weekend so will hold off doing anything if T launch coming up. As long as no nutso pricing.

jon-yprpe said: ClubsportStr said: Nick981 said: Presumably the T would be manual - thereby saving about 90lbs over the PDK and contributing to the ‘light 911’ ethos…. 992 T will be manual and schedule release November 2021!! Ooh. Do tell. I’m test driving a boggo Carrera next weekend so will hold off doing anything if T launch coming up. As long as no nutso pricing. Been told from OPC if not delayed due to other model delays will be announced 4Q this year. Deliveries Q2 2022 at the earliest. No details of spec yet. Ask your OPC to confirm when you test drive .

anyone put a deposit down yet with opc for 992t?

stridgey said: anyone put a deposit down yet with opc for 992t?

I spoke to Porsche at the Salon Prive event last week. They said there are no plans for 992T and the 991 T was a one off heritage model. That’s what they said.

tokyotv said: I spoke to Porsche at the Salon Prive event last week. They said there are no plans for 992T and the 991 T was a one off heritage model. That’s what they said. Wouldn’t surprise me the world has changed big time hasn’t it. I have a deposit down but can’t see it happening now, they’re struggling to get any cars.

Joscal said: The too big thing is a bit of a myth if you check the dimensions, it is bigger but not by much in the grand scheme of things. https://www.ultimatespecs.com/car-comparator/11448... I'd say you're misinterpreting the numbers. As a for instance, according to the stats on the website you linked, the 997 narrow body coupe is circa 6cm wider than 993 narrow body coupe, while the 992 is circa 5cm wider than the 991. In that regard, then, the jump from 991 to 992 is similar to the jump from 993 to 997. Likewise, the 993 is taller than the 992. So clearly that figure doesn't tell you much about overall size. By your rationale, then, a 997 isn't much bigger than a 993 and you're on the path to coming to the conclusion that 992 isn't really that much bigger than an aircooled car, which if you've seen the two parked next to each other, is a faintly ludicrous notion. A few cm extra across certain measurements makes for a much, much bigger car in reality. The 992 is a big old thing and the on-paper numbers don't really capture that reality.

There’s bound to be a 992T - The Porsche process is now very formulaic, and the 992 could do with a simplified model at the ‘base’ end of the range. I believe there have been several mentions of it being announced in November, but agree, this could well be delayed a bit.

Yep, November announcement for 992 T

992 T may not be a bad shout for those prepared to wait who want a new car especially having regard to the currently insanely high prices on the 991.2. BTW the potential classic and collectable status of the 991.2 was predicted 3 years ago (despite being poo poed by many lol) due to last of narrow body and limited numbers although obviously prices have been boosted by the overall strong used car market and severely limited number of new 911s generally. Quite bizarre that the 991.2 was viewed initially as a flop with new sales struggling and in fact quite a few cars hung around unsold and there were quute a few cancelled orders. Some lightly used and decent spec bucketed cars actually exchanged hands in the mid £60ks at under 12 months old showing over £30k depreciation.

Koln-RS said: There’s bound to be a 992T - The Porsche process is now very formulaic, and the 992 could do with a simplified model at the ‘base’ end of the range. I believe there have been several mentions of it being announced in November, but agree, this could well be delayed a bit. they'd be mad not to, from their perspective it's an easy way of selling a few more base models - they could even do it like they have with the cayman/boxster and add nothing more than fabric door pulls and a sparse interior

The used values are still shooting up at the moment. Some cars are getting close to their original retail price. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108276...

F6C said: I'd say you're misinterpreting the numbers. As a for instance, according to the stats on the website you linked, the 997 narrow body coupe is circa 6cm wider than 993 narrow body coupe, while the 992 is circa 5cm wider than the 991. In that regard, then, the jump from 991 to 992 is similar to the jump from 993 to 997. Likewise, the 993 is taller than the 992. So clearly that figure doesn't tell you much about overall size. By your rationale, then, a 997 isn't much bigger than a 993 and you're on the path to coming to the conclusion that 992 isn't really that much bigger than an aircooled car, which if you've seen the two parked next to each other, is a faintly ludicrous notion. A few cm extra across certain measurements makes for a much, much bigger car in reality. The 992 is a big old thing and the on-paper numbers don't really capture that reality. Wouldn’t disagree the 992 is definitely a big car.

I’d been told March. The Macan may well be it… With the long waiting times, you’d wonder if it’ll be left until gen 2. Maybe they will make the effort and put the 4.0 in it, before EV takes hold. I’ve refrained from putting a deposit down so far, the whole process has got a bit of a turn off..

ags11 said: I’d been told March. The Macan may well be it… With the long waiting times, you’d wonder if it’ll be left until gen 2. Maybe they will make the effort and put the 4.0 in it, before EV takes hold. I’ve refrained from putting a deposit down so far, the whole process has got a bit of a turn off.. Isn't it odd I grew up lusting after a 911 Turbo, thought the 959 was incredible and beyond anything I could aspire to owning. Now a 911GTS delivers the same 450bhp and similar performance and drivetrain for sub £120k and its MEH i'd rather have a normally aspirated, 2wd, manual gearbox version....

NA GTS could well be in the pipeline.

julian987R said: bennno said: Does anybody have any update on the 992T, I'd placed a deposit in anticipation and then it all went very quiet....... Its not happening. They are releasing the 992 ST instead. What is the ST about? Have not heard of it yet

The T will quite possibly be released in the 992.2 refresh, certainly won't be until later this year, as long as they offer it in a manual I'm all up for one. Talk of 4.0L talk of 3.0tt either or for me.. 414 naturally aspirated horses or 385 turbocharged horses.. similar Torque just 22lb/ft difference but totally different driving experiences. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Edited by Andy718 on Friday 18th February 14:36 Edited by Andy718 on Friday 18th February 14:46

I have given up and pulled my deposit. Currently searching out a 997.1 C2S project car. 350-380 horses just fine with me. Just need to find time to actually go look, oh and finish the garage to put it in....

dgswk said: I have given up and pulled my deposit. Currently searching out a 997.1 C2S project car. 350-380 horses just fine with me. Just need to find time to actually go look, oh and finish the garage to put it in.... I'm giving it till first week of march and then pulling my deposit and will get something else. Shame

dgswk said: I have given up and pulled my deposit. Currently searching out a 997.1 C2S project car. 350-380 horses just fine with me. Just need to find time to actually go look, oh and finish the garage to put it in.... Sorry to hear that, but your new project seems interesting and will be a good one for sure.

a_dreamer said: I'm giving it till first week of march and then pulling my deposit and will get something else. Shame Sorry to hear this and I was feeling like this for quite some time, but after 8 months of waiting I finally got my allocation last week. Basically, it will be 12 months from ordering to delivery if they can meet their timelines now. The US ship burning with the Porsche vehicles on board concerns me though and hope this doesn't have a knock on effect to right hand drive markets.

Schuey_911 said: Sorry to hear this and I was feeling like this for quite some time, but after 8 months of waiting I finally got my allocation last week. Basically, it will be 12 months from ordering to delivery if they can meet their timelines now. The US ship burning with the Porsche vehicles on board concerns me though and hope this doesn't have a knock on effect to right hand drive markets. I ordered in June. Pre ordering the dealer was my best mate. Wouldn't leave me alone. Since ordering I've barely heard a thing and had to chase for simple updates. Date keeps getting pushed back.

a_dreamer said: dgswk said: I have given up and pulled my deposit. Currently searching out a 997.1 C2S project car. 350-380 horses just fine with me. Just need to find time to actually go look, oh and finish the garage to put it in.... I'm giving it till first week of march and then pulling my deposit and will get something else. Shame This was my original thought before i got wind of the T, a 997 RPM CSR type build. Let's hope the used price madness ends so good ones can become attainable.

a_dreamer said: Schuey_911 said: Sorry to hear this and I was feeling like this for quite some time, but after 8 months of waiting I finally got my allocation last week. Basically, it will be 12 months from ordering to delivery if they can meet their timelines now. The US ship burning with the Porsche vehicles on board concerns me though and hope this doesn't have a knock on effect to right hand drive markets. I ordered in June. Pre ordering the dealer was my best mate. Wouldn't leave me alone. Since ordering I've barely heard a thing and had to chase for simple updates. Date keeps getting pushed back. I’ve waited this long and there’s not much chance of getting an allocation for anything else at present !

ClubsportStr said: I’ve waited this long and there’s not much chance of getting an allocation for anything else at present ! I have a chance of a fully loaded M4 for August of I put something down soon

alternatively just get a base 992 ?

WCZ said: alternatively just get a base 992 ? That's what I've been waiting for. I ordered one in June. Was promised march time. Then June. Now maybe September if we are lucky. Been dangled the t but I think that's just to keep my deposit at this point. Dealer was certain coming last November. Telling me the expected spec.

WCZ said: alternatively just get a base 992 ? Thats PDK only, and I dare say a large percentage of T potential customers would like a manual. I certainly am. I still think its a shame that Porsche reserve the manual to lure you into a Carrera S, I'd have a base spec 992 tomorrow with a manual, it's more than quick enough.

Andy718 said: a_dreamer said: dgswk said: I have given up and pulled my deposit. Currently searching out a 997.1 C2S project car. 350-380 horses just fine with me. Just need to find time to actually go look, oh and finish the garage to put it in.... I'm giving it till first week of march and then pulling my deposit and will get something else. Shame This was my original thought before i got wind of the T, a 997 RPM CSR type build. Let's hope the used price madness ends so good ones can become attainable. I’m looking at CSR or Sport Classic for inspiration for sure, but want it as a rolling project to get the pleasure from that along the way. I’ve had a 992 C2S PDK for a couple of years and scratched the itch. Awesome bit of kit, but maybe never meet your heroes, just far far to competent for me in reality. Did think 992 C2 but no manual and can’t really mod it - so much tech, filters etc. just doesn’t work. I’m fully EV’d for a daily so for acceleration I’m sorted and the best PDK is no PDK if you know what I mean. With no T on the horizon, 997 or even 996 backdate project it will be.

Dr S said: julian987R said: bennno said: Does anybody have any update on the 992T, I'd placed a deposit in anticipation and then it all went very quiet....... Its not happening. They are releasing the 992 ST instead. What is the ST about? Have not heard of it yet The ST is claimed to be a stripped-out model for track use, just like the original of the 1970s. The engine choice is rumoured to be the 4.0-liter flat-6 of the current 911 GT3, possibly spitting out more than the stock 502 hp and coupled with some retro cues elsewhere on the car.

a_dreamer said: Schuey_911 said: Sorry to hear this and I was feeling like this for quite some time, but after 8 months of waiting I finally got my allocation last week. Basically, it will be 12 months from ordering to delivery if they can meet their timelines now. The US ship burning with the Porsche vehicles on board concerns me though and hope this doesn't have a knock on effect to right hand drive markets. I ordered in June. Pre ordering the dealer was my best mate. Wouldn't leave me alone. Since ordering I've barely heard a thing and had to chase for simple updates. Date keeps getting pushed back. Quite normal I suspect. I’m basically half way through an anticipated 15 months ish wait. I just take the view that the deposit gives me an option on a car when the time comes as otherwise I would be wound up about how elastic the process appears to be in the black box world of 911 ordering. I’ve stopped asking as I don’t think the salesman has any idea hence the last comment. Edited by EC2 on Saturday 19th February 17:03

EC2 said: Quite normal I suspect. I’m basically half way through an anticipated 15 months ish wait. I just take the view that the deposit gives me an option on a car when the time comes as otherwise I would be wound up about how elastic the process appears to be in the black box world of 911 ordering. if like to be that relaxed about it, but I find the process and lack of info frustrating and ruins a lot of the excitement of buying such a car. I appreciate there are challenges right now but no way is Porsche manufacturing as devoid of information and foresight as the dealerships are.

a_dreamer said: EC2 said: Quite normal I suspect. I’m basically half way through an anticipated 15 months ish wait. I just take the view that the deposit gives me an option on a car when the time comes as otherwise I would be wound up about how elastic the process appears to be in the black box world of 911 ordering. if like to be that relaxed about it, but I find the process and lack of info frustrating and ruins a lot of the excitement of buying such a car. I appreciate there are challenges right now but no way is Porsche manufacturing as devoid of information and foresight as the dealerships are. I am normally as you are but the timeframes here are so long that they are not interested in hearing from people chasing them. I have called a handful of times but always get the same quarter answer (a good thing) but there seems to be nothing backing it up when I ask how many they get every quarter. If it slips I will not be surprised but I do not expect to hear anything until I am asked for my spec even if that is delayed. Customer service is at the light end of the scale. To be fair when I ordered I could have had a GTS in nine months but I’m buying the runt of the range so need to sit it out! Edited by EC2 on Saturday 19th February 17:29

dgswk said: I have given up and pulled my deposit. Currently searching out a 997.1 C2S project car. 350-380 horses just fine with me. Just need to find time to actually go look, oh and finish the garage to put it in.... 350-380 horses just fine in the real world. Unless you want a few bragging rights.

EC2 said: I am normally as you are but the timeframes here are so long that they are not interested in hearing from people chasing them. I have called a handful of times but always get the same quarter answer (a good thing) but there seems to be nothing backing it up when I ask how many they get every quarter. If it slips I will not be surprised but I do not expect to hear anything until I am asked for my spec even if that is delayed. Customer service is at the light end of the scale. To be fair when I ordered I could have had a GTS in nine months but I’m buying the runt of the range so need to sit it out! Edited by EC2 on Saturday 19th February 17:29 Tell us about your spec Eck

http://www.porsche-code.com/PNKSSHE6 That's mine. I toy with the front and rear sports updates, yellow as a colour and a few other tweaks. But sadly I doubt it will get built regardless

dgswk said: I’m looking at CSR or Sport Classic for inspiration for sure, but want it as a rolling project to get the pleasure from that along the way. I’ve had a 992 C2S PDK for a couple of years and scratched the itch. Awesome bit of kit, but maybe never meet your heroes, just far far to competent for me in reality. Did think 992 C2 but no manual and can’t really mod it - so much tech, filters etc. just doesn’t work. I’m fully EV’d for a daily so for acceleration I’m sorted and the best PDK is no PDK if you know what I mean. With no T on the horizon, 997 or even 996 backdate project it will be. This is essentially the crossroads I am at right now. I'd like a 992T and my OPC are lending me a 992 GTS for the day tomorrow whilst my Macan is being serviced. Essentially that'll be the test whether I want a 992 or a 997 Project. If the 997 project it'll mean I can refresh the Macan alongside it, I can't afford to do both being new cars so either way it'll probably be win win.

julian987R said: Dr S said: julian987R said: bennno said: Does anybody have any update on the 992T, I'd placed a deposit in anticipation and then it all went very quiet....... Its not happening. They are releasing the 992 ST instead. What is the ST about? Have not heard of it yet The ST is claimed to be a stripped-out model for track use, just like the original of the 1970s. The engine choice is rumoured to be the 4.0-liter flat-6 of the current 911 GT3, possibly spitting out more than the stock 502 hp and coupled with some retro cues elsewhere on the car. Many thanks. How would that fit with current Touring and upcoming RS? Is it an R successor with similarly limited numbers?

a_dreamer said: http://www.porsche-code.com/PNKSSHE6 That's mine. I toy with the front and rear sports updates, yellow as a colour and a few other tweaks. But sadly I doubt it will get built regardless Very nice.......though, not tempted with the 930 interior pack?

julian987R said: a_dreamer said: http://www.porsche-code.com/PNKSSHE6 That's mine. I toy with the front and rear sports updates, yellow as a colour and a few other tweaks. But sadly I doubt it will get built regardless Very nice.......though, not tempted with the 930 interior pack? Anybody had any update on the T ??

ClubsportStr said: Anybody had any update on the T ?? no. My dealer who I'm far from convinced by said it would likely be the 992.2 now. Probably not helped by the shortage of parts

a_dreamer said: ClubsportStr said: Anybody had any update on the T ?? no. My dealer who I'm far from convinced by said it would likely be the 992.2 now. Probably not helped by the shortage of parts Mine has gone quiet on me too, although I'm going on the Porsche Experience day next Tuesday which should be fun.

Some of you may have seen this recently but I just thought I'd add this, one of Porsche's VIN registration docs for MY23 cars. The T is there, no word on when it's going to be released, no idea of spec, just that it will share the base engine power. Will be interesting to see spec once released.

Andy718 said: Some of you may have seen this recently but I just thought I'd add this, one of Porsche's VIN registration docs for MY23 cars. The T is there, no word on when it's going to be released, no idea of spec, just that it will share the base engine power. Will be interesting to see spec once released. Spotted this on a Facebook forum, oddly, also. I've been checking for any more news since and haven't seen anything. Just when I had resigned myself that my 'T' deposit was going to end up on a PDK Carrera I may end up with a manual T after all

Still nothing official yet?

a_dreamer said: Still nothing official yet? The image of the admin document circulating on FB is a prank done in photoshop I believe

julian987R said: a_dreamer said: Still nothing official yet? The image of the admin document circulating on FB is a prank done in photoshop I believe It's an official VIN registration document Julian. It was amongst around 10 pages of all the Porsche VIN documents for MY23. My Dealer knows the T is happening, the official release was expected later in the year.

Andy718 said: It's an official VIN registration document Julian. It was amongst around 10 pages of all the Porsche VIN documents for MY23. My Dealer knows the T is happening, the official release was expected later in the year. Was expected, so not now?

Maxym said: Andy718 said: It's an official VIN registration document Julian. It was amongst around 10 pages of all the Porsche VIN documents for MY23. My Dealer knows the T is happening, the official release was expected later in the year. Was expected, so not now? Last time I spoke to my dealer it was expected, obviously shortages / wiring and a new 12v battery supply issue may put things back. Whenever it happens this year or next I'm happy. The main thing is that it is happening at some point in the near future. (And it's certainly no hoax or photoshopped prank)

No mention of 2023 Carrera T from this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9dUgazaqrI

tokyotv said: No mention of 2023 Carrera T from this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9dUgazaqrI that is because if it is going to happen it will be part of the Gen 2 cycle. It is not happening anytime soon.

I’ll be happy if that’s the case as long as it’s not electric..

Joscal said: I’ll be happy if that’s the case as long as it’s not electric.. it will definitely be hybrid as all the Gen 2's will be. It is their last guinea pig chance to segue the 911 to full EV.

julian987R said: Joscal said: I’ll be happy if that’s the case as long as it’s not electric.. it will definitely be hybrid as all the Gen 2's will be. It is their last guinea pig chance to segue the 911 to full EV. All 992.2's will be Hybrid? I haven't seen anything to suggest this, do you have a source? The .2 turbo is rumored to have mild Hybrid technology but not necessarily the whole 911 range, can't see the 992.2 GT3 being Hybrid.