CGT oil change (URGENT!) - Page 3 - Porsche General - PistonHeads UK

Got my car into a shop to do an oil change and we are a bit stuck here. What we try to do is unscrew central bolt from the oil filter, but oil dips painfully slowly (like 100ml in 10 minutes). We are not sure if there is a dedicated oil change valve. Need help ASAP, as i am actually in the service right now! Another question - how many liters do we need to fill? Any help appreciated.

You're kidding, you've got your CGT in for a service and you're asking how much oil to put in

Thought Reading could only service CGT

oh lordy lord!

Think chap is in Moscow long way from Reading!

I would call PCGB in the morning and ask to speak to John Manning. He is the Oracle of CGT.

Have you taken the oil cap off the dry sump filler neck? On a lot of race engines the oil is removed by sucking the oil out of the dry sump tank via a pump as there is very little oil in the sump. Other way is to drop the sump! Or the filter. HTH!

Also at this time of night you might be better off calling up an OPC in the states.

Droped the filter, drop five bolts from the engine and managed to get around 3-4 liters... Hmmm... Yep, thats in Moscow. OPC were being snobbish so i went independent.

Brain is going now too... Does the dry sump have a catch tank? If so you cant overfill it. The excess will spit out into the tank. Dont I would consider cranking the engine without spark first to make sure you have enough in. In the past when I have been working on DS engines I have put enough oil in so that it just starts to spit out when cranked into the catch tank. Then fire the engine and add another 1/2 litre and make sure that gets spat out and then I am happy. Just make sure you dont put too much in that it fills the catch tank before you can empty it - makes a mess! This is also where an oil pump comes in handy! Dunno if that helps!!

Where is the DS tank? Can you shine a light in there to see if its empty? An engine that size I would expect the dry sump tank to be 10L or more...

I am being told 12L. HTH

Thanks for help guys. No idea where to get 8 more liters from... Impossible to suck it out, the hole is too tight. Changed the filter, topped up 3 more liters and went home. Too late, 1 in the morning here) The guys will find out how to do everything and then will change the oil properly.

03 Changing engine oil and oil filter – Caution – Drain engine oil – Replacing oil filter – Filling in engine oil CAUTION Danger of engine or catalytic converter damage if oil level is incorrect! Check oil level regularly (if possible whenever refuelling )! Oil level must not fall below the minimum mark or rise above the maximum mark! Only use engine oils approved by Porsche AG! CAUTION Danger of scalding with hot engine oil! Whenever possible only work on the engine when it has cooled down! Wear suitable protective clothing! Ensure everything is clean when working on the engine! Note Mobil 1 engine oil to specification 0W40 is filled in at the factory. The oil quantity on first filling is 14.5 litres. top of page Drain engine oil Note The requirements for raising the vehicle on the lifting platform must be strictly observed to avoid damaging the underbody! 1. Raise the vehicle on a lifting platform at the take-up points provided → 4 Lifting the vehicle. 2. Secure the vehicle to two arms of the lifting platform with special tool wheel strap 9454 . To do this, screw the fastening eyelet -Item 2- hand-tight into the threaded bore of the take-up plate on the vehicle. Now tension each wheel strap -Item 1- at the respective lifting arm and secure. 3. Remove rear underbody cover → 51 94 19 Removing and installing rear underbody cover 4. Open cover cap on the oil filler pot (swirl pot ). To do this, pull up the locking flap and twist the cap anti-clockwise. Note So that the waste oil drains away cleanly between the oil drain hole and bottom part of the unit carrier, hold a small funnel so that none of the waste oil runs into the carrier. Cloths can also be placed on the bottom part of the unit carrier to catch any remaining oil. Now clean the bottom part of the unit carrier in the region of the oil drain hole with a cloth soaked in solvent naphtha. 5. Drain engine oil. To do this, release the drain plug from the engine oil tank on the transmission (in direction of travel on the left side) and unscrew -arrow- . Collect engine oil in a suitable oil container. Then fit the plug with a new sealing ring, screw in again and tighten to the specified torque. Tightening torque for oil drain plug M22 is 35 Nm (26 ftlb.) Note Replace the seal on the engine oil strainer cover. Check the engine oil strainer for damage, replace if necessary. 6. Remove engine oil strainer and clean. Unscrew the three M6 fastening screws -Item 1- for the cover of the engine oil strainer on the transmission (in direction of travel on the left side). Remove cover together with seal and take out the metal strainer. Collect the escaping engine oil. 7. Wash out metal strainer -arrow- with solvent naphtha, check for damage and replace if necessary. Carefully clean sealing surfaces on cover and transmission. Insert cover with a new seal and tighten fastening nuts to the specified torque. Tightening torque for M6 fastening nut 10 Nm (7.5 ftlb.) top of page Replacing oil filter 1. Drain oil from the oil filter. Release drain plug M12 x 1.5 (hexagon socket a/f 6) from the cover -Item 1- and unscrew. Collect draining oil in a suitable oil container. Place a cloth on the side of the bottom part of the unit carrier to catch splashes and drips of waste oil. Remove traces of oil with a cloth soaked in solvent naphtha. 2. Unscrew four M6 fastening screws from the cover (see -Item 2 in above figure above- ) and remove oil filter cover together with paper filter downwards. Let remaining oil drain out, clean sealing surfaces on cover and crankcase and fit the cover with a new O-ring and new paper filter. Tighten fastening nuts to the specified torque Tightening torque for M6 hexagon-head bolts 10 Nm (7.5 ftlb.) 3. Clean drain plug on oil filter cover and together with a new copper sealing ring tighten to the specified torque. M12 tightening torque 25 Nm (19 ftlb.). top of page Filling in engine oil Filling capacities: Engine oil change without oil filter: 10.0 litres Engine oil change with oil filter: 10.5 litres 1. Slowly fill in the specified quantity of engine oil at the filler pot (swirl pot ) of the engine oil tank using a suitable funnel or oil filling container. 2. Insert and engage cover cap. If the lugs of the cover cap and upper parts do not align -arrow- , both parts can be twisted against each other until the cover fits into the recess of the filler pot. Close locking flap. 3. Start engine and switch off after it reaches working temperature (min. 70 °C). After a dripping time of approx. 1 minute the oil level can be checked with special tool engine oil dipstick 9455 . The oil level should be at the 10-litre mark, otherwise correct it. 4. Re-insert engine oil cover cap and lock it. 5. Before fitting the underbody cover, re-check all cover caps and screws of the oil circuit for leaks. 6. Install rear underbody cover → 51 94 19 Removing and installing rear underbody cover 980310

Can supply pictures but need to upload them let me know. Mike

Is it just me, but why would you take a CGT to an independant that doesnt even know how to change the oil?

sportsandclassic, Mike, that is just what i needed. Really appreciate that. If you could drop me just the pictures that show where that draining plug is from 5. Email is valph(at)latyshev.com. Thanks again!

WS manual is saying 14.5L on first fill which I guess is ok, but then goes on to say only put 10.5L in the tank??? I know there will be some oil in the block but 4L..??

You have mail

Mike, could you please resend the mail, there are no pictures attached.

www.sportsandclassic.com/1.docx Mike

Thats excellent! Thank you very much indeed. Will do an oil change tomorrow))

freedman said: Is it just me, but why would you take a CGT to an independant that doesnt even know how to change the oil? Because the OPC were being arsey...

You need to find a Kwik Fit. They will do it properly for you.

HRG said: freedman said: Is it just me, but why would you take a CGT to an independant that doesnt even know how to change the oil? Because the OPC were being arsey... So you take it to someone who clearly has no idea of how to look after even the basics of the car?

sportsandclassic said: some very helpful and useful stuff The beauty of PH, hands across the world and all that.... Well done Mike, although it all has nothing to do with me (CGT? In my dreams ) I really appreciate what you did

Can I suggest that anyone on this thread who's nay-saying about this episode move to Moscow, accumulate the wealth to buy a CGT with, obtain and run a CGT and then organise an oil change. Once they've done that perhaps they can begin to understand the OPs position and comment on it. I reckon fair play to Val for managing to trumph over adversity. I remember the original thread when the CGT arrived off a (IIRC) train all covered in s t, lol. SM

supermono said: Can I suggest that anyone on this thread who's nay-saying about this episode move to Moscow, accumulate the wealth to buy a CGT with, obtain and run a CGT and then organise an oil change. Once they've done that perhaps they can begin to understand the OPs position and comment on it. I reckon fair play to Val for managing to trumph over adversity. I remember the original thread when the CGT arrived off a (IIRC) train all covered in s t, lol. SM Well said. Loving Val's attitude (and car choice!) Mike at sports and classic..... you are a superstar and a gentleman.

supermono said: Can I suggest that anyone on this thread who's nay-saying about this episode move to Moscow, accumulate the wealth to buy a CGT with, obtain and run a CGT and then organise an oil change. Once they've done that perhaps they can begin to understand the OPs position and comment on it. I reckon fair play to Val for managing to trumph over adversity. I remember the original thread when the CGT arrived off a (IIRC) train all covered in s t, lol. SM Most of the people in that position in Moscow should have enough money to buy the OPC!

freedman said: HRG said: freedman said: Is it just me, but why would you take a CGT to an independant that doesnt even know how to change the oil? Because the OPC were being arsey... So you take it to someone who clearly has no idea of how to look after even the basics of the car? An oil change is usually a piece of piss. And no, I don't pay people to do stuff I can easily do myself...

this is a brilliant thread...bloke in Moscow in some back street doing own oil change on a CGT...sounds like he knows less than I do (if that's possible!) excellent behaviour...come on, let's help him do a top end rebuild 'while he's in there'...LOL!!!

Big thumbs up to Mike for the info here! I have followed Val's struggles on here and SELOC! I am glad to hear the CGT is still going strong Val!

I am a regular business traveller to Russia and the mere thought of driving a CGT in that city makes a F1 ride around Monaco look like a walk in the park. So well done to Val for surviving for the 1st oilchange of his CGT. You might need the Federal Russian oilreserves to fill that car anyway so he is in the right location. Good Luck to you Val and hope you get it back on the road.

supermono said: Can I suggest that anyone on this thread who's nay-saying about this episode move to Moscow, accumulate the wealth to buy a CGT with, obtain and run a CGT and then organise an oil change. Once they've done that perhaps they can begin to understand the OPs position and comment on it. I reckon fair play to Val for managing to trumph over adversity. I remember the original thread when the CGT arrived off a (IIRC) train all covered in s t, lol. SM We've recently disagreed, but here we agree entirely and I don't mind stating so! Oh, and by the way, you're missing an apostrophe.....but we don't have to fight about it. Well done to Mike at Sports and Classic.

Wow, its great to read so many positive replies Changing oil on CGT is not as trivial as some of you think it is the problem is that you dont know which plug to release, and you dont want to flush gearbox oil, for example, right?)) once we had a look at the instruction sheet Mike send, it was a piece of cake! The guys at the shop are my good fellows and do thier job. Much better then OPC i might add. They are just not familiar with this car.

dom9 said: Big thumbs up to Mike for the info here! I have followed Val's struggles on here and SELOC! I am glad to hear the CGT is still going strong Val! Going very strong indeed 12k miles already, 15ish track days, and will be around double that by the end of summer!

Val said: dom9 said: Big thumbs up to Mike for the info here! I have followed Val's struggles on here and SELOC! I am glad to hear the CGT is still going strong Val! Going very strong indeed 12k miles already, 15ish track days, and will be around double that by the end of summer! Great to hear of you getting the most from it!!!

Val said: Going very strong indeed 12k miles already, 15ish track days, and will be around double that by the end of summer! good on you, what are track days in Russia like?

Adam B said: Val said: Going very strong indeed 12k miles already, 15ish track days, and will be around double that by the end of summer! good on you, what are track days in Russia like? Like this:

Val said: Going very strong indeed 12k miles already, 15ish track days, and will be around double that by the end of summer! good man! great to see them used. if i had a cgt it would never see an OPC either...

This is real Pistonheads. Guy in Russia not prepared to put up with sh*t service or attitude of OPC organises work to be done through trusted mechanics. His mindset,motivation and attitude is possibly why he can afford to buy and drive a CGT. I understand the chaps on here who have shown concerns about getting the oil changed outside OPC but sometimes if you are mechanically trained or minded then you want to find out how things work so you can carry out work on the vehicles. Mike taking the time to supply the correct info to Val without a chance of getting work from Val assures me that you are a petrolhead and a top bloke !

Redarress said: This is real Pistonheads. Guy in Russia not prepared to put up with sh*t service or attitude of OPC organises work to be done through trusted mechanics. His mindset,motivation and attitude is possibly why he can afford to buy and drive a CGT. I understand the chaps on here who have shown concerns about getting the oil changed outside OPC but sometimes if you are mechanically trained or minded then you want to find out how things work so you can carry out work on the vehicles. Mike taking the time to supply the correct info to Val without a chance of getting work from Val assures me that you are a petrolhead and a top bloke ! Plus one. Plus of course there's a possibility the rusky's got a rival drug barons head in a plastic bag in the car.

I wonder whatever came of val and his cgt