PPF Resale Question

EDITED - B/c I do not need worthless comments as was happening - just 1 question left QUESTION - If you were selling a car with some damage to front bumper PPF, how would you handle it? I see 3 options, however you all likely see far more and/or better., and these three are not all great If I were to NOT repair it, I'd say it's fair to say I will lose more value than if I replace it myself, again just IMHO. Choose a new PPF and have the front bumper and side mirrors all installed AND install new front lip In Sale Listing, provide final sale price "allowance", maybe $2k (i have learned this might be more $$), to the buyer. In this scenario, I likely will have to adjust my reserve limit DOWN by $2k, so if I were going to accept say $30k for the car, with this option, I would now accept as low as $28k I will specifically allow for the final buyer to choose whether I install the new front lip or whether they keep it as part of the PPF project Provide the potential buyers with the option that they prefer. Essentially, allow that the final buyer choose one option above, although that agreement would have to be worked out ahead of final sale due to different PPF prices, not to mention everyone will have to sign off on it I really don't like this option as a seller, but I would like this option as the buyer In the end, as much as I think that I'd like to offer potential buyers the option to choose for themselves, it doesn't seem like it is the wisest thing to do from a resale perspective. In any event, maybe someone has an idea that is better. Thanks everyone

I had a Cayenne that had PPF left on too long and it was a complete nightmare to remove it and it also pulled off clear coat in several places. Because of this, I will never, EVER buy another car that has any PPF no matter how new it might be. It's a 100% deal breaker for me me so my vote is to remove the existing PPF and leave it at that.

I would say, you tell the prospective buyer the price options. Leave it = $0 Have it professionally removed/resprayed/polished,,,=$? Whatever you and buyer decide on. $40k in maintenance seems very high to me. It’s a Turbo, I understand. What was the reason? Catch up on what was never repaired/replaced/maintained properly? lots to discuss with the buyer.

My 2-cents is that any money you spend on it will not be made back on the sale price. So take off the old damaged film, and let the buyer decide what they do from there.

It's my understanding that that old PPF was designed to come off after 5 years. I can't say what's gonna happen for sure, but I bet when you go to take this off after 14 years it won't come off in big elastic panels like we see in videos. It might cost a few hundred just to have it professionally removed.

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Thanks, but your comments are not helpful so I guess thanks for acting like a 14 year old

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Have you ever had a full engine and transmission out review? I mean, **** that alone is about $10k and it is a 22 year old car which gets driven less than 1000 miles per year. I have never sold a car with issues beyond smaller normal wear and tear items.

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VERY HELPFUL and something I never thought about. This is exactly why I asked this question. This is something constructive I never thought about and now I need to look deeper into. Thank you!!

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Dude gave you great info...you should listen.

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Francis, with that kind of damage you should probably donate it for a tax write off.

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No I�ve never had a full engine and transmission out review, whatever that is. Like I said, I understand that it�s a Turbo model, more expensive to maintain. I�m just asking a question. $40k maintenance over the 22 years of the lifetime of the vehicle is way more understandable. You didn�t say that, just the cost of maintenance you mentioned. Are you the original owner? If not, that explains why $40k was spent on repairs/replacement/maintenance by you. Anyway, good luck with selling your car.

Since you edited due to worthless comments, here’s another one for you. If I was looking to buy a “22 year old car” that was “driven less than 1000 miles a year, so mileage would be less than 22,000 miles. I would be looking for an owner/seller that would be able to provide me with some real maintenance records. You say around $10k for an engine/transmission out “review” as a buyer I would ask well what about the other around $30k in documentation? In reality I wouldn’t even ask you anything about the car because you come off like a total ******* who doesn’t want to do his own research, instead ask a question, which by the way, has been asked on here and every other car site in the history of PPF a million (I’m exaggerating, like you with the $ spent on repairs) then when someone, maybe a robot or a troll, says something you don’t appreciate, you snip and stomp, edit your post. Just out of curiosity, is the car a 2002 tippy cab with a F’d up top and spoiler system? Some kind of hacked up sound system/ Bluetooth/apple play head unit? Asking for a friend.

So I got the below email from Rennlist this morning. My takeaways are: 1. Rennlist has moderators? Who Knew? 2. It took them over 19 years to find one of my posts offensive? It's not like I wasn't trying. 3. If this rebuttal gets me banned, I just wanted to say I enjoyed the run. Cheers Everyone!

I�d like to let you know that I found your comment amusing.

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Id say it�ll cost as much as a full paint correction so closer to the $1k+ range. He�s probably one of the nicer guys on here, don�t be softer than baby **** and see his comment as advice and not a personal attack.

I don’t think saint80 is coming back,,,,didn’t even last a month.

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Thanks man! Appreciate it

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I'm right here and have responded to all threads I am subscribed to. I typically only reply to constructive comments. Trolls can bother other people. It's a simple question with a simple opinion on an answer.

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I have all the service records and I am the 2nd owner. How is this contributing to my question? These cars are expensive to maintain. If you don't know what an "engine and transmission out" is, then it seems you really have nothing to add to the question and the thread. Be an *** for *** sakes, all I did was ask a very simple question.

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Appreciate your opinion and perspective, it's a good one. I did not find anything constructive about his comments. I think I have obtained about as much constructive feedback as possible. It's a shame people have to attack data that really isn't relevant to the discussion. A

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This is the kind of self entitled behavior that gets you in trouble on the playground. What the hell are you thinking?

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Commentary aside, the biggest thing about the PPF removal process is understanding there�s a good chance you�re going to repaint. I�ve done 5 or 6 removals but one stands out in my mind. Had to take an adhesive wheel via a drill to a very expensive car.

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All I did was ask a simple question also. You said �engine transmission out REVIEW � I asked what that is because I never heard someone say �REVIEW � I�m sure you meant to say engine/transmission out repair, replace, while it�s all out just fix everything. So I�m asking agin. What cost $40k!? While I�m as you say �an *** for *** sakes� (maybe I should report you to the moderator, ya know, since you reported a guy who�s been a member here 15 years before you) Why would you spend $40k for a �review � 🙄 then ask a simple question regarding PPF removal/replacement (not review) that is likely the least amount any seller/buyer would be concerned about?

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True, there�s a good possibility of the clear coat/ paint coming off when removing PPF or a wrap that�s been left on too long. IMHO it�s going to bring down the price significantly if the PPF is left on. A prospective buyer has to be willing to take a chance that a respray is part of the deal.

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As I mentioned in my first post (the one where I was acting like a 14 year old ), I did pull clearcoat away when I removed the Cayenne's PPF. I touched it up but it was noticeable and never looked right after that. Why thank you kind sir.

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You�re very welcome and I�m assuming it�s the red Platinum edition? Red is a terrible to match. I also feel this way about wraps, I wouldn�t buy a wrapped car and the only exception being headlight PPF because you can refinish them without having to paint match upon removal.

I was considering replacing the PPF on my car but these removal stories are giving me pause. I knew it was going to be a challenge, but I didn't know lifting the clear was a possibility. Yikes.

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Biggest thing to consider is if you had any paint work done prior to the PPF.

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That would be negative.

@Corso, think about it this way: The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago. The second best time is today. If it's gotta be done, it's gotta be done. My PPF was old and yellowing, but not cracking yet. It was still somewhat elastic. My tint guy estimated it to be about 10 years old. I didn't have any clear coat come off (knock wood). Knocking wood because I have two small areas behind each front wheel well to remove today that I overlooked yesterday. As mentioned in another thread, I'll never have PPF / clear bra / wrap applied to a car for several reasons, including the aforementioned. What's wild is that one day about a year or two ago, a guy posted to /r/porsche on Reddit where he bought a BRAND NEW high-spec (GT3?) 911 and immediately took it to be wrapped a different color. And the whole, "Wraps protect your paint, bro!", talk is asinine to me. It's like putting plastic on on a sofa. Who are you saving it for? The next owner to enjoy?

It really doesn't look bad at all but I am a bit of a perfectionist so I was considering having it redone. I do like having it on my 996. Porsche paint seems to be more prone to stone chips than other cars. The nose/hood/mirrors are flawless. The majority of 996s I see w/o PPF look pretty hammered by comparison. I don't have it, nor have any interest in adding it to any of my other cars.

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How long has the PPF/bra been on your car?

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I don't get it either and it's amazing to me how many cars on BaT list PPF like it's a positive thing instead of a liability. I always wondered if PPF started out as some lame dealer add-on like undercoating. Personally, I'd take the TruCoat over the PPF. You Tube Actually Titanium but you were in the ballpark . But yes, Porsche called it 'Pure Red' and it was supposedly only available for that edition only in 2006. This is what the PPF looked like when I bought it. I have no idea when it was put on but assuming it was done when brand new, it would have made it 12 years old when I bought it. The removal was actually a two step process. You remove the film one dime-sized piece at a time and then you go back with spray on adhesive remover for the second 20 hours of fun. Starting the sloooow removal.

I remember when dealerships were pushing these clear bras 20 years ago. I was like, "Nah. I'm good." I did't like it because I felt that the paint outside of the bra would age and weather at a different rate than that underneath. Just like when people would leave their leather bras on 100% of the time. I've watched a lot of videos of guys in shops removing PPF (in preparation for removing mine) and they find that one knick in the film and they are like, "SEE?! It did it's job! TOTALLY WORTH IT!"...then they proceed to spend hours removing the old PPF and more hours installing the new.

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Wow. Before I knew what I know now about how it is possible to remove it, I would have passed on that car because I would have assumed that all of the panels would have to simply be replaced.

Yeah, back in the day everybody remembered the silly looking black bras that folks put on the 911s. Then the clear PPF came out. It was the "new" solution. When I bought my 2002 from the dealer 22 years ago, it had the clear PPF on the front 1/3 of the car. It ended up protecting the paint from a nasty scratch on the hwy, but the damage to the PPF made it look pretty ugly so I replaced it at the dealer with the new 3M stuff at the time and didn't think much about it. Fast fwd to today, the PPF aged well but did develop a slight yellowing of which a detailer was able to remove. In my case it was on the outer layer. BUT, he made it very clear that he would not attempt to remove it due to the risk to the paint and possible need for a respray. Someday I will have it removed when i have money sitting in my 996 account for a potential respray. Until then, it's staying on the car because it looks fine and still in good shape. But I dont have a problem with using a PPF on the front 1/3 of the car if it's garaged when not in use to protect it from the elements. The mistake I made was not replacing it every 5 years. Didn't know any better at the time, didn't ask either, nor was I told to replace it every so often. For sure, I question whether it's actually needed. Dr. Color Chip is a pretty easy tool to use. But to the OPs question, if it looks like he'll on his car, he either has to have it fixed which potentially will cost alot of money or the buyer will discount his bid to reflect the cost. Either way it's money out of the OPs pocket.

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It's funny how trends change. The black leather bras are pretty much extinct but they were definitely the rage back in the day. Last week, I found the bra for my old 1970 911t while cleaning out the garage. I never installed it at any time and neither did the original owner who included it with the sale. Not a vey good fit on the 'modern' 996. It's in amazingly good shape for 55 years old though.