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Anyone else tracking used valuations at the moment? I’ve been following the WBAC value of my Dads 2019 Macan 2.0 for a few months since he placed an order for a new S. November value was £49,000 At Christmas it was £47,500 Today £43,000 Is this a blip or do we think prices are getting back to normal, whatever normal is?

In constant discussion on the salesman thread: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... January should usually be a buyers market; but fundamentals in terms of the shortages haven't really changed. If there is a temporary drop I'd say make the most of it if buying, springtime should see the usual price increases.

Yes, WBAC valuations have dropped across the board from my recent experience - I pop the details of various cars we have into their app, and typically they have eased back about 6% from their best. I do know a guy who does the site valuations for WBAC, and he said they are being instructed to be much more critical with their inspections, as they are anticipating the market to get tighter. I have also also noticed, in my ‘window shopping’, that a lot of stock is not moving. Might be ‘time of year’, or it might be a change in confidence.

Koln-RS said: Yes, WBAC valuations have dropped across the board from my recent experience - I pop the details of various cars we have into their app, and typically they have eased back about 6% from their best. I do know a guy who does the site valuations for WBAC, and he said they are being instructed to be much more critical with their inspections, as they are anticipating the market to get tighter. I have also also noticed, in my ‘window shopping’, that a lot of stock is not moving. Might be ‘time of year’, or it might be a change in confidence. totally agree with this, Stock is soo over priced for nearly new cars, i think buyers are not prepared to pay 5/10/15 k over list price

MeisterH said: Koln-RS said: Yes, WBAC valuations have dropped across the board from my recent experience - I pop the details of various cars we have into their app, and typically they have eased back about 6% from their best. I do know a guy who does the site valuations for WBAC, and he said they are being instructed to be much more critical with their inspections, as they are anticipating the market to get tighter. I have also also noticed, in my ‘window shopping’, that a lot of stock is not moving. Might be ‘time of year’, or it might be a change in confidence. totally agree with this, Stock is soo over priced for nearly new cars, i think buyers are not prepared to pay 5/10/15 k over list price Will depend on the current lead times for a new one. I don't think much has changed in that regard hence presume existing stock will continue to be priced at a premium no matter how much we may wish otherwise. I think a massive crash in values has been predicted since the start of the pandemic, but thus far appears not to have materialised.

MeisterH said: totally agree with this, Stock is soo over priced for nearly new cars, i think buyers are not prepared to pay 5/10/15 k over list price I just paid over list for a Taycan (RWD), and even then it was the cheapest straight car in the UK, Similar cars being advertised for £5k more and selling. I’m not saying it will last forever but no one is discounting at the moment, so at worse it a stand off.

MeisterH said: totally agree with this, Stock is soo over priced for nearly new cars, i think buyers are not prepared to pay 5/10/15 k over list price you might rightly no be prepared to pay that much overs, but plenty are prepared, therefore as stated on another thread, whilst values on some specific models might soften, that is not reflective of the whole market which will continue to rise beyond 2030, year on year.

julian987R said: you might rightly no be prepared to pay that much overs, but plenty are prepared, therefore as stated on another thread, whilst values on some specific models might soften, that is not reflective of the whole market which will continue to rise beyond 2030, year on year.

julian987R said: MeisterH said: totally agree with this, Stock is soo over priced for nearly new cars, i think buyers are not prepared to pay 5/10/15 k over list price you might rightly no be prepared to pay that much overs, but plenty are prepared, therefore as stated on another thread, whilst values on some specific models might soften, that is not reflective of the whole market which will continue to rise beyond 2030, year on year. Better go an secure a big garage if that is the case - you will become rich while having toys to drive

julian987R said: you might rightly no be prepared to pay that much overs, but plenty are prepared, therefore as stated on another thread, whilst values on some specific models might soften, that is not reflective of the whole market which will continue to rise beyond 2030, year on year. I really don’t see how you get to this view. Modern ICE cars are not special enough and are too prevalent to carry strong value, special editions apart, long term. Most people will be glad to get into electric on second phase tech when they realise how good such sports are and how, on reflection that the last 15 years of ICE cars don’t sound or go that great, again special editions apart. Edited by EC2 on Saturday 29th January 10:23

EC2 said: julian987R said: you might rightly no be prepared to pay that much overs, but plenty are prepared, therefore as stated on another thread, whilst values on some specific models might soften, that is not reflective of the whole market which will continue to rise beyond 2030, year on year. I really don’t see how you get to this view. Modern ICE cars are not special enough and are too prevalent to carry strong value, special editions apart, long term. Most people will be glad to get into electric on second phase tech when they realise how good such sports are and how, on reflection that the last 15 years of ICE cars don’t sound or go that great, again special editions apart. Edited by EC2 on Saturday 29th January 10:23 I get the feeling you follow too much main stream media. My mantra is to always bet the opposite. I don't believe most people will be glad to get into electric on second phase tech. Mass market don't care about the sound or how they go, cup holders and room for the kids are the important factors. Lets see. But what ever mass consensus is, my recommendation in life is to always bet on the exact opposite.

Yep it will be interesting to watch. I like the feel of driving a geared car with changing engine revs etc but things are gradually being diluted more and more to the extent that the propulsion system might become irrelevant to many people even at the sports car end of the market. How good the electric Cayman proves to be will help many decide I suspect.

Nope, don't see values weakening any at all currently. EG: WBAC are back on the up - nowhere near the summer peak of £56k, but have gone up £4k on a 69 plate 2.5F4T Cayman GTS from pre Christmas low of £48.5k. Porsche offered slightly more, tbh can't find anything with the performance/cost with which I'd even consider replacing it with.

I've been researching BMW prices recently and they are as a rule £5-6k higher than one would normally expect.

julian987R said: I get the feeling you follow too much main stream media. Err... julian987R said: Mass market don't care about the sound or how they go, cup holders and room for the kids are the important factors. Yes, IMO the majority of people being able to afford EV cars that suit their needs (i.e. estate / SUVs etc) and then being able to charge them up at their convenience are the two main decision points, neither of which are the case at present. So, whether 2nd/next generation tech is widespread depends on cost coming right down and charging points being deployed everywhere. I'm sure both will happen eventually, but not very quickly. At least 5y, maybe 10y? After this point running an EV would be easier and cheaper than ICE, especially bearing in mind taxes on fuel and ownership going up. At that point ICE would be for enthusiasts who love the car so much they're willing to pay more. Should be fine for Porsche owners, right!?

Coder said: Yes, IMO the majority of people being able to afford EV cars that suit their needs (i.e. estate / SUVs etc) and then being able to charge them up at their convenience are the two main decision points, neither of which are the case at present. So, whether 2nd/next generation tech is widespread depends on cost coming right down and charging points being deployed everywhere. I'm sure both will happen eventually, but not very quickly. At least 5y, maybe 10y? After this point running an EV would be easier and cheaper than ICE, especially bearing in mind taxes on fuel and ownership going up. At that point ICE would be for enthusiasts who love the car so much they're willing to pay more. Should be fine for Porsche owners, right!? I guess time will tell but I am not convinced that running an EV would be easier and cheaper than ICE. Once mass adoption happens it'll be a different story. If 100% of the country went EV tomorrow there is no way they'd stick with the zero road tax and no fee to drive through a city etc.

julian987R said: Coder said: Yes, IMO the majority of people being able to afford EV cars that suit their needs (i.e. estate / SUVs etc) and then being able to charge them up at their convenience are the two main decision points, neither of which are the case at present. So, whether 2nd/next generation tech is widespread depends on cost coming right down and charging points being deployed everywhere. I'm sure both will happen eventually, but not very quickly. At least 5y, maybe 10y? After this point running an EV would be easier and cheaper than ICE, especially bearing in mind taxes on fuel and ownership going up. At that point ICE would be for enthusiasts who love the car so much they're willing to pay more. Should be fine for Porsche owners, right!? I guess time will tell but I am not convinced that running an EV would be easier and cheaper than ICE. Once mass adoption happens it'll be a different story. If 100% of the country went EV tomorrow there is no way they'd stick with the zero road tax and no fee to drive through a city etc. Totally agree……tax incentives to get us all in and then move the goal posts. Just think if they continued with zero road tax our roads would soon be covered in unrepaired potholes…….

I'm wondering if the threat of war in Europe, rampant inflation and the end of Covid might dampen used car prices?

With higher inflation I suspect it is unlikely manufacturers will be rushing into cutting prices.

BertBert said: I'm wondering if the threat of war in Europe, rampant inflation and the end of Covid might dampen used car prices? I think a modest correction in all asset prices would be healthy but it’s kinda like there is too much money in the system. (~$23 Trillion worldwide QE might explain that one) With ‘real’ interest rates ( base rate - inflation) being negative peeps either/are encouraged to spend their money (they get next to nothing on it in the bank) or try to squeeze out some sort of yield by chasing asset prices higher. Who knows how this all plays out?……I don’t think anyone knows!

981SPYGANG said: I think a modest correction in all asset prices would be healthy but it’s kinda like there is too much money in the system. (~$23 Trillion worldwide QE might explain that one) With ‘real’ interest rates ( base rate - inflation) being negative peeps either/are encouraged to spend their money (they get next to nothing on it in the bank) or try to squeeze out some sort of yield by chasing asset prices higher. Who knows how this all plays out?……I don’t think anyone knows! I certainly have no idea!

987.1 Boxsters still achieving reasonable money. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2005-porsche-9... 90k miles. £10,250 plus 6% buyers premium. Webuyanycar car was only offering £7,425.

Mark-ri571 said: 987.1 Boxsters still achieving reasonable money. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2005-porsche-9... 90k miles. £10,250 plus 6% buyers premium. Webuyanycar car was only offering £7,425. I might be wrong but it now appears to me that CC is better for sellers than buyers. Early days it was a bit more private buying off private and cars looked cheap/good value but that seems to have changed. Private buyers now competing with trade/nobody likes to lose both prob result in peeps paying more than they originally intended once emotionally involved in the final minutes of an auction. Plus the likes of WBAC and Cazoo have lowered their once more than generous bids. Edited by 981SPYGANG on Friday 4th March 09:49

981SPYGANG said: Plus the likes of WBAC and Cazoo have lowered their once more than generous bids. Not sure what the big buyers are quoting, but the classifieds in the last couple of weeks to a month have seen a noticeable uptick in prices of stuff like 987s. Really quite substantial. Some quite remarkable prices, like £30k for a 987.2 2.9 Cayman, 987.2 S Cayman S for £35k (on 45k miles), 987.1 S 3.2 Boxes up near £20k. It feels like members of the trade trying it on. But maybe it's real. Most will stick, but I suspect the best ones with the right spec will go. All completely crazy, but I suppose all that money printing is finally hammering currency values.

esotericar said: Not sure what the big buyers are quoting, but the classifieds in the last couple of weeks to a month have seen a noticeable uptick in prices of stuff like 987s. Really quite substantial. Some quite remarkable prices, like £30k for a 987.2 2.9 Cayman, 987.2 S Cayman S for £35k (on 45k miles), 987.1 S 3.2 Boxes up near £20k. It feels like members of the trade trying it on. But maybe it's real. Most will stick, but I suspect the best ones with the right spec will go. All completely crazy, but I suppose all that money printing is finally hammering currency values. Spring almost being here is probably a reason to increase prices slightly. Personally feel there is seasonality factor to cars but know others disagree.

Looks like 2022 will be a repeat of 2021 in terms of strong car values. Despite the obvious economic headwinds. Porsche and many other manufacturers halting production due to major supply chain issues not least no ecus and wiring looms from Ukraine. The result on used car values ££ across the board is quite clear.

av185 said: Looks like 2022 will be a repeat of 2021 in terms of strong car values. Despite the obvious economic headwinds. Porsche and many other manufacturers halting production due to major supply chain issues not least no ecus and wiring looms from Ukraine. The result on used car values ££ across the board is quite clear. I don’t think it is quite as clear cut this time with the cost of living squeeze and the natural reaction of hoarding your stash when there are big external risks. What this shows to me is how Porsche has a risk management system that is not fit for purpose - Putin went into Ukraine in 2014 and they still rely on a supply chain exposed to that geopolitical risk. Additionally COVID showed that JIT manufacturing is no longer fit for purpose. It will be interesting to read the investment risks part of the prospectus if Porsche does IPO. I’m not saying prices will rise, hold or fall but the normal rules do not apply at the moment so I am just being cautious myself. As an indicator I have been watching a £80k used car for the last four months and it has dropped £7k so far this year.

Ukraine apparently produces the wiring looms for Porsche. I’m not sure if it’s for all models. I’m guessing that’s another component shortage to be overcome. If that dents the production then the natural forces take hold. The chip supply shortage is nowhere near over, either. I’m not sure I’d be optimistic of a sustained drop in prices just yet.

EC2 said: I don’t think it is quite as clear cut this time with the cost of living squeeze and the natural reaction of hoarding your stash when there are big external risks. What this shows to me is how Porsche has a risk management system that is not fit for purpose - Putin went into Ukraine in 2014 and they still rely on a supply chain exposed to that geopolitical risk. Additionally COVID showed that JIT manufacturing is no longer fit for purpose. It will be interesting to read the investment risks part of the prospectus if Porsche does IPO. I’m not saying prices will rise, hold or fall but the normal rules do not apply at the moment so I am just being cautious myself. As an indicator I have been watching a £80k used car for the last four months and it has dropped £7k so far this year. I've been tracking a 991 turbo as a daily, most cars are sitting tor months. 2 I'm watching have had 3k and 5k lobbed off the price. I think the nervousness of the general economic future is making people sit and wait. Personally I'd never buy now, I think this year is going to go one of two ways. With odds on for an economic correction. There's a 2 and 10 year bond yield analysis I looked at recently, apparently 100% accurate at predicting economic corrections, it's pointing down. The metals exchange is also looking bullish which is a good indicator for being a cash safe haven during troubled times. Once it flushes out one way or another, prices will reflect. The added complexity of course is the supply chain issues. A very muddled picture, IMHO.

EC2 said: I don’t think it is quite as clear cut this time with the cost of living squeeze and the natural reaction of hoarding your stash when there are big external risks. What this shows to me is how Porsche has a risk management system that is not fit for purpose - Putin went into Ukraine in 2014 and they still rely on a supply chain exposed to that geopolitical risk. Additionally COVID showed that JIT manufacturing is no longer fit for purpose. It will be interesting to read the investment risks part of the prospectus if Porsche does IPO. I’m not saying prices will rise, hold or fall but the normal rules do not apply at the moment so I am just being cautious myself. As an indicator I have been watching a £80k used car for the last four months and it has dropped £7k so far this year. As ever 1 used car cannot possibly be used as anywhere near an accurate barometer of the used market in general. As ever the right cars at the right money in top condition are still selling fast and this is across the board mainstrem medium and high end. Interesting to note CAP clean prices are still up to 50% up over the last 12 months furthermore online bids from the well known internet car buyers are mostly up yet again reflecting the fact they are still desperate for stock.

Experience of selling may car this weekend (all be it a classic at just over £50k) The advert had only been up a total of 10 days or so, my phone, WhatsApp, email lit up with enquires. Several blind bids at 15% to 20% below asking, deposit taken for a sale price which is 96+% of the asking price (blind no viewing). Subsequently had 5 requests to be next in the queue if the sale falls through, including offers at full asking. Life's short, FOMO, shares on their arse and shortage of real quality stock.

Royal Jelly said: Ukraine apparently produces the wiring looms for Porsche. I’m not sure if it’s for all models. I’m guessing that’s another component shortage to be overcome. If that dents the production then the natural forces take hold. The chip supply shortage is nowhere near over, either. I’m not sure I’d be optimistic of a sustained drop in prices just yet. Ukraine also produces neon gas, I've read 70% of the worlds production and also 50% of the worlds production, whichever figure, it is significant, neon is used in chip production. The wiring loom issue has hit VW group hard apparently.

Wilmslowboy said: Experience of selling may car this weekend (all be it a classic at just over £50k) The advert had only been up a total of 10 days or so, my phone, WhatsApp, email lit up with enquires. Several blind bids at 15% to 20% below asking, deposit taken for a sale price which is 96+% of the asking price (blind no viewing). Subsequently had 5 requests to be next in the queue if the sale falls through, including offers at full asking. Life's short, FOMO, shares on their arse and shortage of real quality stock. So tell the 96% purchaser that they will have to come up to 100% in order to now secure it and stay in first place.

LeakUpTest said: EC2 said: I don’t think it is quite as clear cut this time with the cost of living squeeze and the natural reaction of hoarding your stash when there are big external risks. What this shows to me is how Porsche has a risk management system that is not fit for purpose - Putin went into Ukraine in 2014 and they still rely on a supply chain exposed to that geopolitical risk. Additionally COVID showed that JIT manufacturing is no longer fit for purpose. It will be interesting to read the investment risks part of the prospectus if Porsche does IPO. I’m not saying prices will rise, hold or fall but the normal rules do not apply at the moment so I am just being cautious myself. As an indicator I have been watching a £80k used car for the last four months and it has dropped £7k so far this year. I've been tracking a 991 turbo as a daily, most cars are sitting tor months. 2 I'm watching have had 3k and 5k lobbed off the price. I think the nervousness of the general economic future is making people sit and wait. Personally I'd never buy now, I think this year is going to go one of two ways. With odds on for an economic correction. There's a 2 and 10 year bond yield analysis I looked at recently, apparently 100% accurate at predicting economic corrections, it's pointing down. The metals exchange is also looking bullish which is a good indicator for being a cash safe haven during troubled times. Once it flushes out one way or another, prices will reflect. The added complexity of course is the supply chain issues. A very muddled picture, IMHO. Seems crazy, just get it bought! It’s a car it will most likely lose value….whilst you wait for a possible change in price, you could be driving and enjoying it!

HTP99 said: Ukraine also produces neon gas, I've read 70% of the worlds production and also 50% of the worlds production, whichever figure, it is significant, neon is used in chip production. The wiring loom issue has hit VW group hard apparently. Interesting, I didn’t know about neon. If that skewers another year of semiconductor production, then the used market will soar. I’m sure there were a lot of folks just waiting for the ‘chip shortage to ease’ who’ll be pushed into a used car in this case.

Mankers said: LeakUpTest said: EC2 said: I don’t think it is quite as clear cut this time with the cost of living squeeze and the natural reaction of hoarding your stash when there are big external risks. What this shows to me is how Porsche has a risk management system that is not fit for purpose - Putin went into Ukraine in 2014 and they still rely on a supply chain exposed to that geopolitical risk. Additionally COVID showed that JIT manufacturing is no longer fit for purpose. It will be interesting to read the investment risks part of the prospectus if Porsche does IPO. I’m not saying prices will rise, hold or fall but the normal rules do not apply at the moment so I am just being cautious myself. As an indicator I have been watching a £80k used car for the last four months and it has dropped £7k so far this year. I've been tracking a 991 turbo as a daily, most cars are sitting tor months. 2 I'm watching have had 3k and 5k lobbed off the price. I think the nervousness of the general economic future is making people sit and wait. Personally I'd never buy now, I think this year is going to go one of two ways. With odds on for an economic correction. There's a 2 and 10 year bond yield analysis I looked at recently, apparently 100% accurate at predicting economic corrections, it's pointing down. The metals exchange is also looking bullish which is a good indicator for being a cash safe haven during troubled times. Once it flushes out one way or another, prices will reflect. The added complexity of course is the supply chain issues. A very muddled picture, IMHO. Seems crazy, just get it bought! It’s a car it will most likely lose value….whilst you wait for a possible change in price, you could be driving and enjoying it! I already have a nice summer/weekend car so no rush. Like many I look at a range of cars that interest me but none of them are a necessity. Anyway I have a 911 on order so might just sit that out for as long as it takes!

av185 said: EC2 said: I don’t think it is quite as clear cut this time with the cost of living squeeze and the natural reaction of hoarding your stash when there are big external risks. What this shows to me is how Porsche has a risk management system that is not fit for purpose - Putin went into Ukraine in 2014 and they still rely on a supply chain exposed to that geopolitical risk. Additionally COVID showed that JIT manufacturing is no longer fit for purpose. It will be interesting to read the investment risks part of the prospectus if Porsche does IPO. I’m not saying prices will rise, hold or fall but the normal rules do not apply at the moment so I am just being cautious myself. As an indicator I have been watching a £80k used car for the last four months and it has dropped £7k so far this year. As ever 1 used car cannot possibly be used as anywhere near an accurate barometer of the used market in general. As ever the right cars at the right money in top condition are still selling fast and this is across the board mainstrem medium and high end. Interesting to note CAP clean prices are still up to 50% up over the last 12 months furthermore online bids from the well known internet car buyers are mostly up yet again reflecting the fact they are still desperate for stock. Having dropped it by £7k they have just put it up £2k so you might be right! I don’t think we can call which way things will go used car price wise but, thankfully, for most of us it is not that relevant in a wider context.

LeakUpTest said: EC2 said: I don’t think it is quite as clear cut this time with the cost of living squeeze and the natural reaction of hoarding your stash when there are big external risks. What this shows to me is how Porsche has a risk management system that is not fit for purpose - Putin went into Ukraine in 2014 and they still rely on a supply chain exposed to that geopolitical risk. Additionally COVID showed that JIT manufacturing is no longer fit for purpose. It will be interesting to read the investment risks part of the prospectus if Porsche does IPO. I’m not saying prices will rise, hold or fall but the normal rules do not apply at the moment so I am just being cautious myself. As an indicator I have been watching a £80k used car for the last four months and it has dropped £7k so far this year. I've been tracking a 991 turbo as a daily, most cars are sitting tor months. 2 I'm watching have had 3k and 5k lobbed off the price. I think the nervousness of the general economic future is making people sit and wait. Personally I'd never buy now, I think this year is going to go one of two ways. With odds on for an economic correction. There's a 2 and 10 year bond yield analysis I looked at recently, apparently 100% accurate at predicting economic corrections, it's pointing down. The metals exchange is also looking bullish which is a good indicator for being a cash safe haven during troubled times. Once it flushes out one way or another, prices will reflect. The added complexity of course is the supply chain issues. A very muddled picture, IMHO. Seems crazy, just get it bought! It’s a car it will most likely lose value….whilst you wait for a possible change in price, you could be driving and enjoying it!

julian987R said: So tell the 96% purchaser that they will have to come up to 100% in order to now secure it and stay in first place. No way - deal done, deposit paid. These be the rules.

Mankers said: Seems crazy, just get it bought! It’s a car it will most likely lose value….whilst you wait for a possible change in price, you could be driving and enjoying it! I'm lucky enough to have some choices on what I use atm so I'm in no rush.

Wilmslowboy said: julian987R said: So tell the 96% purchaser that they will have to come up to 100% in order to now secure it and stay in first place. No way - deal done, deposit paid. These be the rules. Exactly - once you shake hands (even if metaphorically) you stick to your word.

pete.g said: Wilmslowboy said: julian987R said: So tell the 96% purchaser that they will have to come up to 100% in order to now secure it and stay in first place. No way - deal done, deposit paid. These be the rules. Exactly - once you shake hands (even if metaphorically) you stick to your word. Very honourable, good for you. Dictum Meum Pactum

Just for a laugh, here's a 987.1 2.7 Tip for £25k: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12657997 Some very expensive looking 987s out there right now.

esotericar said: Just for a laugh, here's a 987.1 2.7 Tip for £25k: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12657997 Some very expensive looking 987s out there right now. If the 'Autoglym Lifeshine dealer' accolade doesn't put you off the £149 'admin fee' rip off certainly should.

esotericar said: Just for a laugh, here's a 987.1 2.7 Tip for £25k: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12657997 Some very expensive looking 987s out there right now. PTS the same colour as his dog's cock.

av185 said: esotericar said: Just for a laugh, here's a 987.1 2.7 Tip for £25k: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12657997 Some very expensive looking 987s out there right now. If the 'Autoglym Lifeshine dealer' accolade doesn't put you off the £149 'admin fee' rip off certainly should. Nasty interior, Tiptronic. No surprise it's cheap.

Wilmslowboy said: julian987R said: So tell the 96% purchaser that they will have to come up to 100% in order to now secure it and stay in first place. No way - deal done, deposit paid. These be the rules. Well done Wilmslowboy, exactly how things should be, Julian once again showing your true colours, nice.

esotericar said: Just for a laugh, here's a 987.1 2.7 Tip for £25k: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12657997 Some very expensive looking 987s out there right now. Ruffled seats? Was that a thing? Or is it ruffled from wear and tear?

anonymous said: [redacted] I agree 100% when the deposit and deal ‘has’ been done. But it ‘hadn’t’

julian987R said: I agree 100% when the deposit and deal ‘has’ been done. But it ‘hadn’t’ Except for “deposit taken for sale at 96%”… Stop digging. It doesn’t come as a surprise, I have to say.

Royal Jelly said: julian987R said: I agree 100% when the deposit and deal ‘has’ been done. But it ‘hadn’t’ Except for “deposit taken for sale at 96%”… Stop digging. It doesn’t come as a surprise, I have to say. Ah I read it as offers/bids, not deposit taken....well, thats a whole a different outcome. Apologies for any confusion.

julian987R said: esotericar said: Just for a laugh, here's a 987.1 2.7 Tip for £25k: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12657997 Some very expensive looking 987s out there right now. Ruffled seats? Was that a thing? Or is it ruffled from wear and tear? There are not ruffled, more saggy - I thought ruffled had straight panels like below.