Porsche Factory Closure - Page 5 - Porsche General - PistonHeads UK

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I hear on very good authority that unfortunately that all Porsche production will stop indefinitely imminently. Some lines have stopped already being built I believe. Apparently it's because all Porsche wiring looms are made in and imported from the Ukraine. Another issue caused by this senseless, awful conflict.

Most German car manufacturers in particular source wiring looms etc from Ukraine so the impact on Porsche and others with major supply issues now is clear. Not good.

I can see it halted for at least 6 months until they can gear up production of looms at another factory/country.....and doubt that is turned around in less than 6 months. this was from 3 days ago. https://www.ft.com/content/f163d21f-6136-4771-ae92... Maybe the new news since that article is that they have to just shut it all down. Edited by julian987R on Saturday 5th March 19:44

I've read that it is the Macan and Panamera and due to world issues. Wouldn't be suspired if that includes the Taycan. https://flatsixes.com/porsche-news/porsche-halts-p...

Anyone else think the world is in total meltdown. Motor industry always seems to bare the Grunt of it as well

Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Bad news is sending your wife and children to another country to ensure they survive, whilst you stay to defend your country, it’s NOT worrying that your shiny new toy will be delivered 6 months late. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 6th March 00:25

Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. Great post which I happen to concur with 100%. God help us if Putin decided we were next on his hit list !. Can't see our pampered woke society putting up much of a fight unlike the tougher Ukrainians.

Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. 100% with you but just to mention that this thread isn't crying over the Porsche Factory Closure, just shooting the breeze on the news. I am sure all the expectant new owners are not concerned one iota over a delay of their cars and only concerned with current affairs in Ukraine.

anonymous said: [redacted] No really, I haven’t seen anyone moaning, annoyed nor angry about it. People are just discussing it but not irritated by it.

Well said, Slippy. The Felicity Ace going down is one thing, the devastation of Ukraine quite another.

I think the Mini plant in Oxford is also affected, They also get parts from Ukraine.

Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Bad news is sending your wife and children to another country to ensure they survive, whilst you stay to defend your country, it’s NOT worrying that your shiny new toy will be delivered 6 months late. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 6th March 00:25 You are absolutely spot on.

Curledge said: Anyone else think the world is in total meltdown. Motor industry always seems to bare the Grunt of it as well Have a read of KanBan and Just-In-Time manufacturing, and you may appreciate why automotive sector gets hit in the way it does.

Fnumber1user said: Have a read of KanBan and Just-In-Time manufacturing, and you may appreciate why automotive sector gets hit in the way it does. The apparent lack of second sources is not good supply chain management. Resilience costs some margin but has largely been abandoned on the altar of lowest product cost.

Not ideal news but certainly not something I'd have the balls to complain about given the cause of it. I never thought for one minute my Taycan was going to be on time, even before this happened.

gtsralph said: The apparent lack of second sources is not good supply chain management. Resilience costs some margin but has largely been abandoned on the altar of lowest product cost. Absolutely, but you wouldn't believe some of the stuff that apparently goes on ad-infinitum. Not Porsche but some other manufacturers aren't even ISIR'ing, PPAP'ing etc, and then wonder why things don't work. It's all a bit of a perfect storm at the moment. Still, as has been said, it's nothing compared to what the population of Ukraine are facing.

Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Bad news is sending your wife and children to another country to ensure they survive, whilst you stay to defend your country, it’s NOT worrying that your shiny new toy will be delivered 6 months late. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. +1 I thought this was a joke, the human race never cease to disappoint.

Fnumber1user said: . Not Porsche but some other manufacturers aren't even ISIR'ing, PPAP'ing Thanks for using acronyms that most people have no idea what they mean .

Divieto di Sosta said: Fnumber1user said: . Not Porsche but some other manufacturers aren't even ISIR'ing, PPAP'ing Thanks for using acronyms that most people have no idea what they mean . I know what they mean

Divieto di Sosta said: Fnumber1user said: . Not Porsche but some other manufacturers aren't even ISIR'ing, PPAP'ing Thanks for using acronyms that most people have no idea what they mean . not having a go or anything but it took me about 30 seconds to look those up

Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Bad news is sending your wife and children to another country to ensure they survive, whilst you stay to defend your country, it’s NOT worrying that your shiny new toy will be delivered 6 months late. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 6th March 00:25 I cant deny I read some of your stuff and I think 'really' but on this one spot on

Charlie_1 said: Divieto di Sosta said: Fnumber1user said: . Not Porsche but some other manufacturers aren't even ISIR'ing, PPAP'ing Thanks for using acronyms that most people have no idea what they mean . not having a go or anything but it took me about 30 seconds to look those up I did too , BUT I shouldn't have to if he had typed words that everybody can understand......

Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, ... FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 6th March 00:25 I agree with the sentiment, as do the other people replying, but nobody expressed that view. I think it is worthwhile and not disrespectful to describe the secondary impacts of this pointless humanitarian catastrophe, i.e. the economic impacts - various supply chain disruption, energy prices, inflation etc.

Coder said: I think it is worthwhile and not disrespectful to describe the secondary impacts of this pointless humanitarian catastrophe, i.e. the economic impacts - various supply chain disruption, energy prices, inflation etc. It probably is done the right way, it wasn't. Starting with the sentence: gunner said: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Turns a factual post into one that comes across as crass and uncaring given what is going on, what Slippydiff posted was spot on IMO.

Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Bad news is sending your wife and children to another country to ensure they survive, whilst you stay to defend your country, it’s NOT worrying that your shiny new toy will be delivered 6 months late. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 6th March 00:25 Unnecessary and meaninglessness drivel, 4 posts into a discussion and you’re saying “FFS, what’s wrong with you people” in some sort of pious overbearing telling off. I think everyone on these forums is acutely aware of the war, we really don’t need some self appointed holier than thou muppets interfering with every discussion thread just to make themselves feel good. Anyway, thanks OP for the info,

Taffy66 said: Great post which I happen to concur with 100%. God help us if Putin decided we were next on his hit list !. Can't see our pampered woke society putting up much of a fight unlike the tougher Ukrainians. I don’t know about that I mean I’m pretty good at making memes and stuff.

Smiljan said: Unnecessary and meaninglessness drivel, 4 posts into a discussion and you’re saying “FFS, what’s wrong with you people” in some sort of pious overbearing telling off. I think everyone on these forums is acutely aware of the war, we really don’t need some self appointed holier than thou muppets interfering with every discussion thread just to make themselves feel good. Quoted to use in the future as a perfect example of stupidity.

Smiljan said: Unnecessary and meaninglessness drivel, 4 posts into a discussion and you’re saying “FFS, what’s wrong with you people” in some sort of pious overbearing telling off. I think everyone on these forums is acutely aware of the war, we really don’t need some self appointed holier than thou muppets interfering with every discussion thread just to make themselves feel good. Anyway, thanks OP for the info, Well said I completely agree

Smiljan said: Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Bad news is sending your wife and children to another country to ensure they survive, whilst you stay to defend your country, it’s NOT worrying that your shiny new toy will be delivered 6 months late. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 6th March 00:25 Unnecessary and meaninglessness drivel, 4 posts into a discussion and you’re saying “FFS, what’s wrong with you people” in some sort of pious overbearing telling off. I think everyone on these forums is acutely aware of the war, we really don’t need some self appointed holier than thou muppets interfering with every discussion thread just to make themselves feel good. Anyway, thanks OP for the info, The truth is somewhere in the middle if we can take it down a level - Regardless of people having to wait for new toys, the news of factories shutting is bad news for everyone, obviously the workers, suppliers, cleaners, UK garage employees etc. etc.

981Boxess said: uoted to use in the future as a perfect example of stupidity. Explain to me why it's a perfect example of stupidity, I can't wait to hear your eloquent reasoning. Keep it in the context of the discussion in hand (ie Porsche factory closures as a knock on effect of the war in Ukraine). Edited by Smiljan on Wednesday 9th March 09:13

Largechris said: The truth is somewhere in the middle if we can take it down a level - Regardless of people having to wait for new toys, the news of factories shutting is bad news for everyone, obviously the workers, suppliers, cleaners, UK garage employees etc. etc. You're right, maybe slippydiff had such an emotional outburst because he has personal connections out there? I understand people have heated feelings about this particular war compared to all the others currently raging we're not that interested in. There is, however no real need to berate people having a normal discussion on the marques sub section about some of the consequences of this conflict and how they affect the marque. Perhaps I would have been better served to just continue the discussion without commenting on slippydiffs diatribe which frankly I found totally unnecessary.

Smiljan said: 981Boxess said: Quoted to use in the future as a perfect example of stupidity. Explain to me why it's a perfect example of stupidity.................... Quite simple, anybody who thinks the definition of "bad news" at this time is having a shortage of wiring looms due to them not coming out of the Ukraine needs to see if all their marbles are present.

981Boxess said: Smiljan said: 981Boxess said: Quoted to use in the future as a perfect example of stupidity. Explain to me why it's a perfect example of stupidity.................... Quite simple, anybody who thinks the definition of "bad news" at this time is having a shortage of wiring looms due to them not coming out of the Ukraine needs to see if all their marbles are present. I've just explained why that isn't the bad news. Entire car factories closing is bad news.

Largechris said: I've just explained why that isn't the bad news. Entire car factories closing is bad news. So your word is final and you are the only person allowed to have an opinion about this, got it.

981Boxess said: Largechris said: I've just explained why that isn't the bad news. Entire car factories closing is bad news. So your word is final and you are the only person allowed to have an opinion about this, got it. Well I'm usually right it's true, but I was picking up on your point that people were saying it was bad news about wiring looms. Which people weren't actually saying.

Largechris said: Well I'm usually right............ The second daft thing you have said but if that is all you have then fair enough.

I don’t think anybody in here has made light of the Ukrainian crisis. I am sure we all wish the best for the Ukrainian people and are doing what we can/feel appropriate. This should not stop discussion about the impact on the Porsche factory, and such discussion should not be taken as trivialising the war in Ukraine. Please can we try and keep this discussion civil and on topic.

Will be some big price increases for new cars in the summer. Two friends taken delivery of new cars in last week. Both back in garage with software issues. Makes you wonder how good some of the replacement components are/ changes in software due to reducing spec of cars

Scrump said: I don’t think anybody in here has made light of the Ukrainian crisis. I am sure we all wish the best for the Ukrainian people and are doing what we can/feel appropriate. This should not stop discussion about the impact on the Porsche factory, and such discussion should not be taken as trivialising the war in Ukraine. Please can we try and keep this discussion civil and on topic. You'd probably have more success dropping Putin an email and asking him politely to withdraw.

Should start a new thread on Ukraine and maybe hear some home truths , such as billions of dollars pumped in since 2014, UK been supplying weapons since 2014. Ukraine wanting to join NATO since 2014 with Western money to put missile batteries pointed to the east. And everyone wonders why the bear has had enough of the finger poked in his eye.

There is a good thread on general gassing.

Melvynr said: Should start a new thread on Ukraine and maybe hear some home truths , such as billions of dollars pumped in since 2014, UK been supplying weapons since 2014. Ukraine wanting to join NATO since 2014 with Western money to put missile batteries pointed to the east. And everyone wonders why the bear has had enough of the finger poked in his eye. All totally relevant to a Porsche thread, I’m sure.

andyeds1234 said: Melvynr said: Should start a new thread on Ukraine and maybe hear some home truths , such as billions of dollars pumped in since 2014, UK been supplying weapons since 2014. Ukraine wanting to join NATO since 2014 with Western money to put missile batteries pointed to the east. And everyone wonders why the bear has had enough of the finger poked in his eye. All totally relevant to a Porsche thread, I’m sure. It's true, but the West opened their arms to Russia as well ... hence the West's dependence now on Russia. Russia were at one time a candidate to join Nato ... Surely Putin is now only concerned with maintaining his status in Russia, not building the success of Russia for all Russians ... Ukranians are not Natzis. Most Russians are not Natzis. But Putin claims that Natzis are the problem and that Russia has not invaded Ukraine, Ukranians are bombing themselves. So many lies with so much pain and loss. I am sure that the West have their faults ... but building in the hope of good for more people has to be a better solution than destroying in the hope of better times for only a very few in power. Ukrainians are not choosing to escape to Russia ... and they understood Russia far better than we do. Russia says today that they will not invade any more neighbouring countries ... because they have not invaded Ukraine. It's tough to negotiate with that. We have no option but to share the pain.

Slippydiff said: Yep, my heart goes out to all those waiting for their new toys, still they’ve got the scant consolation of not having their houses bombed, family members slaughtered, and their country undergoing a scorched earth policy instigated by an individual one sandwich short of picnic. FFS, what’s wrong with you people ? 1500 miles from our shores a country is being destroyed and the lives of those living in it peacefully up until 10 days are now being torn apart. Bad news is sending your wife and children to another country to ensure they survive, whilst you stay to defend your country, it’s NOT worrying that your shiny new toy will be delivered 6 months late. Try getting a grip and a sense of perspective. Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 6th March 00:25 Oh wow you’re my hero. So virtuous. You know, you can do both. Be worried and concerned for Ukrainians and also be annoyed that the expensive car you’ve spent years saving for is going to be delayed again. The two things can exist together.

ThomW said: Oh wow you’re my hero. So virtuous. You know, you can do both. Be worried and concerned for Ukrainians and also be annoyed that the expensive car you’ve spent years saving for is going to be delayed again. The two things can exist together. Well said

andyeds1234 said: All totally relevant to a Porsche thread, I’m sure. It is actually, that's why Porsche are suspending production .

Melvynr said: andyeds1234 said: All totally relevant to a Porsche thread, I’m sure. It is actually, that's why Porsche are suspending production . Jog on to the relevant NPE thread…

Has anybody actually had confirmation the factories are closing? From the people i've spoken to it only seems to be a rumour and no actual confirmation as of yet!

rkwm1 said: Has anybody actually had confirmation the factories are closing? From the people i've spoken to it only seems to be a rumour and no actual confirmation as of yet! I got an email from my Centre saying so.

My Dad’s spec-lock on a Macan S next week. April build, May delivery. OPC said their system shows all is looking good, no delays or other issues, build date is on track. Although this could be subject to change…

neilf said: My Dad’s spec-lock on a Macan S next week. April build, May delivery. OPC said their system shows all is looking good, no delays or other issues, build date is on track. Although this could be subject to change… Same build and delivery date as my Macan S , strange.

Real world problems whilst in the meantime the Ukrainians are dodging bombs and bullets

Curledge said: Real world problems whilst in the meantime the Ukrainians are dodging bombs and bullets I'm surprised you had time to post this in between your campaigning for the invasion in Ukraine to stop, and your political push for the senseless bombing in Yemen to stop, or the great work you are doing to highlight the torture or Uyghur Muslims in China, or the many other issues in the world you are actively solving, yet you have time for a virtue signalling type b ks post. Maybe I'm being harsh and it's a rare break for you from your feeding of hungry kids in the UK, or helping our cities homeless. Maybe you are just browsing while waiting for your next plane out to stop a world famine somewhere. Or maybe you are just being a bit of a tit. Either way, we can't all be like you.

ThomW said: Oh wow you’re my hero. So virtuous. You know, you can do both. Be worried and concerned for Ukrainians and also be annoyed that the expensive car you’ve spent years saving for is going to be delayed again. The two things can exist together. 100% this.

Curledge said: Real world problems whilst in the meantime the Ukrainians are dodging bombs and bullets 2 million have left so far out of a population of 44 million, what does that tell you.

Melvynr said: Curledge said: Real world problems whilst in the meantime the Ukrainians are dodging bombs and bullets 2 million have left so far out of a population of 44 million, what does that tell you. Possibly that, a high percentage haven't the means to leave easily an equally high percentage are resilient and/or don't want to leave an equally high percentage haven't felt the full force of the impact yet

Melvynr said: Curledge said: Real world problems whilst in the meantime the Ukrainians are dodging bombs and bullets 2 million have left so far out of a population of 44 million, what does that tell you. Millions more are displaced. 2 million have let Kyiv alone. Do you think those that are let are still happily making wiring looms got Porsche or b) helping build defences for their cities,

Cheib said: Millions more are displaced. 2 million have let Kyiv alone. Do you think those that are let are still happily making wiring looms got Porsche or b) helping build defences for their cities, Unless I am reading your post incorrectly I take great offence with your second sentence. In times of a war the reference to doing anything happily makes me feel sick. You should be ashamed.

RTA3 said: Cheib said: Millions more are displaced. 2 million have let Kyiv alone. Do you think those that are let are still happily making wiring looms got Porsche or b) helping build defences for their cities, Unless I am reading your post incorrectly I take great offence with your second sentence. In times of a war the reference to doing anything happily makes me feel sick. You should be ashamed. You've read his post incorrectly. Why are people so quick to gush vitriol on a random thread such as this one?

The faux outrage by the terminally offended on here is hilarious.

av185 said: The faux outrage by the terminally offended on here is hilarious. Isn't there a special page on The Daily Mail just for them?

Orangecurry said: av185 said: The faux outrage by the terminally offended on here is hilarious. Isn't there a special page on The Daily Mail just for them? Quite.

Orangecurry said: RTA3 said: Cheib said: Millions more are displaced. 2 million have let Kyiv alone. Do you think those that are let are still happily making wiring looms got Porsche or b) helping build defences for their cities, Unless I am reading your post incorrectly I take great offence with your second sentence. In times of a war the reference to doing anything happily makes me feel sick. You should be ashamed. You've read his post incorrectly. Why are people so quick to gush vitriol on a random thread such as this one? Trouble is, its hard to tell who's been serious and who's speaking with tongue in cheek.

Cheib said: Millions more are displaced. 2 million have let Kyiv alone. Do you think those that are let are still happily making wiring looms got Porsche or b) helping build defences for their cities, I would like to think they have left before Kyiv gets carpet-bombed. The point is Ukraine have been bombing down in the South since 2014.I guess people listen to too much western media s te.

Are you seriously trying to defend the carpet-bomber ? Or in your view have the Ukranians been asking for-it ? Many Ukranians have not been able to leave and are dying under the bombing ... innocent civilians suffering vacuum and cluster bombs both of which are banned by a convention to which the Russians have signed up. Evacuation routes are regularly promised, agreed, and then targeted by the Russians. But I guess in your world the Ukranians are doing this to themselves ? The Russians have been so neglected by the West that they hold the Chair in the United Nations ... Discuss, if you dare.

It seems that Comrade Melvyn is a Putin supporter.

ChrisW. said: Are you seriously trying to defend the carpet-bomber ? Or in your view have the Ukranians been asking for-it ? Many Ukranians have not been able to leave and are dying under the bombing ... innocent civilians suffering vacuum and cluster bombs both of which are banned by a convention to which the Russians have signed up. Evacuation routes are regularly promised, agreed, and then targeted by the Russians. But I guess in your world the Ukranians are doing this to themselves ? The Russians have been so neglected by the West that they hold the Chair in the United Nations ... Discuss, if you dare. If I dare what?

Taffy66 said: It seems that Comrade Melvyn is a Putin supporter. Ha ha ha, magic Taffy. Am guessing many on here don't know how to fight. If someone poked their finger in my eye, Id rip the other 9 off one by one.

ChrisW. said: Are you seriously trying to defend the carpet-bomber ? Or in your view have the Ukranians been asking for-it ? Many Ukranians have not been able to leave and are dying under the bombing ... innocent civilians suffering vacuum and cluster bombs both of which are banned by a convention to which the Russians have signed up. Evacuation routes are regularly promised, agreed, and then targeted by the Russians. But I guess in your world the Ukranians are doing this to themselves ? The Russians have been so neglected by the West that they hold the Chair in the United Nations ... Discuss, if you dare. Yes, I dare. That crap you have written above . Let's start at the beginning. The USA has been pumping billions, yes billions of dollars into Ukraine since 2014 and for what reason?Ukraine has been bombing the Donbas and area since, any casualties there at all, or don't they matter? Ukraine wanting to join NATO, thanks to Western money including the British. Do you seriously believe Russia would allow that and have more missiles pointed to the East? Kyiv has had plenty of time to evacuate, the Russians have been at a standstill on the outskirts for a week, remember Western media saying that the convoy had run out of fuel and food, they have been taking hits while stationary. They won't make a move until Kyiv is surrounded, hence my saying Putin will carpet bomb it off the face of the earth. Lets talk of the sanctions, the West will feel this more than Russia will, petrol prices through the roof , wheat prices through the roof,gas prices through the roof. You really must think Putin hasn't weighed up his options in advance, but the biggest laugh ever is the West banning his oil and gas imports, bet you haven't even considered that so let me tell you. As soon as the West did it , oil and gas doubled over night meaning Russia had to supply less and make considerably more money , great eh? I am not a Putin supporter or a Ukrainian supporter, when will the West learn to keep their noses out of everyone's business? This is what faces the world if the West continue, Putin is going to demolish Kyiv, that may make you feel like I am a tw2t, but it is real unless the West want to step in.USA has seen the threat of this by turning down using their airfield to send Mig Jets to Ukraine. Johnson out in Saudi now to do a deal for cheap oil, even though the Saudis executed 81 people today, has promised to still supply weapons to use on Yemen, that's acceptable in your book, is it? Next time you or anyone wants to jump on their high horses, and that includes you racing driver Taffy who hasn't got 3k miles on his ultimate RS, look at the facts. If you feel that inclined, you can take some of these so-called refugees, all dressed in the best Western clothing into your home. I'll just keep my nose out until some fooker pokes his finger in my eye.

FWIW I've got a lot more than 3k miles on my RS. I've done over 1k in the last two weeks !

Melvynr said: Taffy66 said: It seems that Comrade Melvyn is a Putin supporter. Ha ha ha, magic Taffy. Am guessing many on here don't know how to fight. If someone poked their finger in my eye, Id rip the other 9 off one by one. Swoon…

Melvynr said: Curledge said: Real world problems whilst in the meantime the Ukrainians are dodging bombs and bullets 2 million have left so far out of a population of 44 million, what does that tell you. That 42 million people don’t want to, or unable to, leave their place of birth? Edited by andyeds1234 on Saturday 12th March 20:07

Taffy66 said: FWIW I've got a lot more than 3k miles on my RS. I've done over 1k in the last two weeks ! Well I hope so , where have you had it out?, not interested in tracks just the road for fun.

The invasion of Ukraine is far more important and worrying than the knock on effect to Porsche production. There is a fast moving thread in the news & politics section discussing the Ukraine crisis: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Also other threads in that section discussing various aspects, such as the refugees: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Or (not) buying Russian petrol and oil: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... In light of these other threads dedicated to the political, economic and societal aspects of the Ukraine invasion please can I ask that discussion on those topics is in the news & politics section, leaving this thread for discussion on Porsche production. TYIA

Scrump said: The invasion of Ukraine is far more important and worrying than the knock on effect to Porsche production. There is a fast moving thread in the news & politics section discussing the Ukraine crisis: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Also other threads in that section discussing various aspects, such as the refugees: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Or (not) buying Russian petrol and oil: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... In light of these other threads dedicated to the political, economic and societal aspects of the Ukraine invasion please can I ask that discussion on those topics is in the news & politics section, leaving this thread for discussion on Porsche production. TYIA Thank you.

Scrump said: The invasion of Ukraine is far more important and worrying than the knock on effect to Porsche production. There is a fast moving thread in the news & politics section discussing the Ukraine crisis: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Also other threads in that section discussing various aspects, such as the refugees: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Or (not) buying Russian petrol and oil: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... In light of these other threads dedicated to the political, economic and societal aspects of the Ukraine invasion please can I ask that discussion on those topics is in the news & politics section, leaving this thread for discussion on Porsche production. TYIA Sorry, just seen this. Over and out.

You do have to wonder about their risk assessors decisions that by saving €5 per wiring loom (from it being made in Ukraine) and how that cheaper cog in the chain has brought tipped their whole apple cart over. i am not saying they that gig shouldn't go to Ukraine, far from it, but don't they mitigate against risk with back up plans?

julian987R said: You do have to wonder about their risk assessors decisions that by saving €5 per wiring loom (from it being made in Ukraine) and how that cheaper cog in the chain has brought tipped their whole apple cart over. i am not saying they that gig shouldn't go to Ukraine, far from it, but don't they mitigate against risk with back up plans? I often wonder about risk assessments like this. Far easier to do it for things like a fire in your factory or something else, but with the chip shortage then a war I wonder how good these assessments are on small aspects of the logistics. Perhaps they never updated it. There must be loads of steps and contracts and partners etc Perhaps that £5 saving enables something else to be less risky. That said, there must be a fair bit of panic in the industry and it's not going to be only Porsche.

Thank you for your reply. Yep 100% agree. What with the chip shortage which was a wake up call to manufacturers on their reliance upon 3rd parties, this situation will get them thinking all the more about business models. Good article from a day ago on this at https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-tech%2...

So much for my attempt to try and bring the conversation back to the original post! its all going loco again.

julian987R said: Thank you for your reply. Yep 100% agree. What with the chip shortage which was a wake up call to manufacturers on their reliance upon 3rd parties, this situation will get them thinking all the more about business models. Good article from a day ago on this at https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-tech%2... Interesting. It will really benefit those in high volume groups. Will be interesting how it pans out. Which parts they bring in house Vs which they continue to source. Chip shortage will take some time to resolve and this "invasion" doesn't look like ending soon and will have impacts far more wide ranging than we know. Another aspect of this is the impact that it has on the production ratio of cars. Selling taycans enables Porsches to be sold based on average emissions. So there is that extra balancing act.

a_dreamer said: julian987R said: Thank you for your reply. Yep 100% agree. What with the chip shortage which was a wake up call to manufacturers on their reliance upon 3rd parties, this situation will get them thinking all the more about business models. Good article from a day ago on this at https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-tech%2... Interesting. It will really benefit those in high volume groups. Will be interesting how it pans out. Which parts they bring in house Vs which they continue to source. Chip shortage will take some time to resolve and this "invasion" doesn't look like ending soon and will have impacts far more wide ranging than we know. Another aspect of this is the impact that it has on the production ratio of cars. Selling taycans enables Porsches to be sold based on average emissions. So there is that extra balancing act. Oh yes that is a good point on average emissions...is it something like for every Taycan they sell that in effect allows them to sell a 911....or one Taycan = ten 911's....might the latter. Either way, they'll need to keep the Taycan dream alive and probably have to prioritise those over their petrol cars.

julian987R said: You do have to wonder about their risk assessors decisions that by saving €5 per wiring loom (from it being made in Ukraine) and how that cheaper cog in the chain has brought tipped their whole apple cart over. i am not saying they that gig shouldn't go to Ukraine, far from it, but don't they mitigate against risk with back up plans? Exactly this, in my line of corporate work, we never put all our eggs in one basket, so for a major manufacturer like the VW group to be s tting themselves over wiring loom supplies from Ukraine, then seems to me these guys don't plan properly or do their risk assessments to be able to have mitigation plans in place. Then again, in my mind I'm thinking they will have mitigating plans in place and us the general public are not going to get every internal detail being discussed at the VW group. So whilst I expect cars to be delayed, I can't see production being halted for too long. During Covid and semi-conductor issues, VW group shut the Skoda and SEAT factories to prioritise usage of the semi-conductors on their more profitable marques like Porsche and Audi. So I'm sure they're probably thinking of things like this and other options available to them, including talking with other partners and suppliers to make the wiring looms for them. There's probably a Command Centre Team setup who are fully focused on dealing with this situation.

Whichever Ukranian company is supplying these wiring looms is clearly not the only supplier Porsche. Otherwise we’d be looking at a much longer production halt than a few weeks. They are clearly already using more than one supplier. So they haven’t sold themselves down the river to save £5. There is a lot more to supply say a wiring loom than saving £5 per item. You need to deal with a well capitalised company that has a long term track record of delivering a high quality product made to extremely precise engineering standards……there are not many parts more critical to a modern car than a wiring loom. Cable manufacturing whether that’s for wiring looms or not is a very difficult business….race to the bottom in terms of prices, very few people prepared to pay for quality (wiring looms being an exception) and volatile input costs (copper). The slim margins and difficult business model mean that low labour rates are very important which clearly means you are in more difficult parts of the world….

Cheib said: Whichever Ukranian company is supplying these wiring looms is clearly not the only supplier Porsche. Otherwise we’d be looking at a much longer production halt than a few weeks. They are clearly already using more than one supplier. So they haven’t sold themselves down the river to save £5. There is a lot more to supply say a wiring loom than saving £5 per item. You need to deal with a well capitalised company that has a long term track record of delivering a high quality product made to extremely precise engineering standards……there are not many parts more critical to a modern car than a wiring loom. Cable manufacturing whether that’s for wiring looms or not is a very difficult business….race to the bottom in terms of prices, very few people prepared to pay for quality (wiring looms being an exception) and volatile input costs (copper). The slim margins and difficult business model mean that low labour rates are very important which clearly means you are in more difficult parts of the world…. Pistons are pretty critical and wheels.

Pistons are pretty critical .......... [/quote] Not in an EV !

curley said: Pistons are pretty critical .......... Not in an EV ! I didn't know they hovered. Tech is moving faster than I thought.