992 Turbo Cab or 992 Turbo S Cab? - Page 2 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

If you have to ask…… Seriously though, I was looking for a low mileage, Cab and talked myself into a Turbo. The right car came up but was a Turbo S. I’m now rather stupidly looking at used prices having bought a used car w 4K miles. Being a TS, I could potentially get out of it for quite a margin over a non S. It got me thinking - if buying new, what would I go for? Answer unfortunately is - go big! It’s an illogical position from a performance POV as a GTS has more than enough….. a Turbo is insane! A TS is beyond any normal persons capability. BUT - it’s the top of the tree. People want the ‘best’. Do it or you may always wish you did. If buying new, would I compromise? Nope. That may not be what you want to hear? But I think secretly, it is

I'm sorry if this topic has been covered already, (although I couldn't find anything). I need to decide on which 911 Cab to buy and which will suit me best. At present, my order is for a Carrera 4S Cab, as I knew I wanted AWD but hadn't really given much thought to the Turbo models. I knew I didn't want a GTS, as I don't want the firmer suspension set up and won't be tracking the car. So, my spec for the 4S cab was around 145k, a Turbo Cab is coming out at around 169k, and 190k for the Turbo S. I do prefer the more aggressive look of the Turbo variants, the question is, is the Turbo S worth the extra £££'s? Also, as a longterm investment, will the standard Turbo be snubbed in the future, as it will be always seen as the lesser model, compared to the Turbo S? Your thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. Edited by Mulsanne-Speed on Friday 27th May 21:20

Thanks for your comments Slaav. TBH, I'm not going to be driving this car particularly hard, so maximum performance isn't everything. I just want some open top motoring for our holiday home in France, in a car which is smaller and more manageable than I'm used to. If you look at the "My Garage" tab, you'll see that money really isn't the issue. I feel that the Turbo is probably more than enough for me, so I was going that way, but I don't want to buy a model that will be considered undesirable at time of resale, because the Turbo S is the one that everyone wants. Based on your thoughts, I think you've answered my question, and I think it probably does have to be the Turbo S. Thanks for your help

Mine was a combination of financial considerations but also silly mission creep! Budget was low £80s and went over 50% higher! This may be a keeper - it’s insane and a true all rounder. We hope to get down to Cap Ferrat in it late August. It can be all things to all men (& women obvs) If money is not the driver, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t go for the S to be honest. Ps - to bring some sanity to the chat, I can also understand why they have soo many owners; I’ve considered whether even a Turbo is needed in this country but then I get in it and smile…. It’s a keeper!

If you get the Turbo make sure you don't over tick the options and end up with a Turbo for Turbo S money. Keep the Turbo sans options and it makes a lot of sense. The one benefit of the Turbo over the TS is the former has five lug wheels whereas the latter has the pain in the butt centre locks. You won't miss the extra oomph as the Turbo is already too powerful to fully exploit on public roads.

Thanks Slaav It's a really tricky one for me, while money isn't particularly tight, I'm still very much aware of it's value and I have to ask myself whether just short of £200k is too much for a sunny day holiday car. One thing that does seem to be the case with Porsche though, is that they seem to hold their value better than almost any other premium brand, which is reassuring. Also, what I'm hearing from you, is that this really is a special car, so I'm going to go that way. I doubt I'll be disappointed, and I suspect the extra paid at time of purchase over the standard Turbo, will likely still be there at time of resale. Many thanks again.

Thanks Taffy66 - I did notice while spec'ing the Turbo S, that some options were standard, which were at extra cost on the Turbo. All in all, I think the difference on my builds is about £21k between the Turbo and Turbo S. In terms of the wheel centre locks, I hear what you're saying, but isn't that only any issue when you're changing tyres? If so, as my miles will probably be quite low, I'm not sure it's a big issue, or am I missing something else? Also, where do you stand on this Taffy - Would you go Turbo, or Turbo S? Finally, I think I read that the 0-60 time between the two variants is 0.1 seconds - Therefore, is the Turbo S purely a case of oneupmanship, and if so, is the only real consideration here, longterm residual / resale values?

My decision would be based on expected delivery times. If there is no difference in timing I would always choose the Turbo S with no options as in complete contrast to other Porsches Its very well equipped as standard. Another thing I would avoid the Sports exhaust as I much prefer the look of the standard four quad tips.

I've still got quite a few options on the Turbo S, mainly things like Front Axle Lift and extra leather detail which I like to add to reduce the amount of plastic. 100% with you on the Sports Exhaust Taffy, although I prefer the four quad with silver tips, which unfortunately isn't an option on the Turbo S.

Mulsanne-Speed said: I've still got quite a few options on the Turbo S, mainly things like Front Axle Lift and extra leather detail which I like to add to reduce the amount of plastic. 100% with you on the Sports Exhaust Taffy, although I prefer the four quad with silver tips, which unfortunately isn't an option on the Turbo S. The four quad is standard on the TS or it was last year in uk. You will not notice the extra power of the Turbo s in normal to spirited driving. Its only when you get the engines on full boost that you will notice the extra grunt. The car is that fast that you will find yourself having to lift off well before full power is reached in every day use. You will find yourself seeking out quiet roads and times. You will have a ball which ever one you choose. The wait is the hardest thing.

Would you climb Mt Everest and stop a few ledges short of the top and say “This’ll do. The view is almost the same. I’ll head back”? Get the Turbo S! You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading.

If comfort is your priority and since its a Cabrio give -10mm PASM a miss. The 10mm lower ride makes it slightly sportier but makes the ride noticeably firmer. Depends on your priorities.

Thanks Benelux - The four quad pipe is standard on the Turbo S, but only in black, not silver as is the case with the Turbo S Thanks also MHH, it's a good point about not compromising - I suppose ultimately for me though, because I won't track the car, neither will I really press on it too hard, comfort is going to be a deciding factor. I noticed that PDCC is standard on the Turbo S, stating that it provides "an active roll stabilisation system with an ultra sporty setup", Therefore, does PDCC give a firmer ride? Also, PASM -10mm..... Does this firm things up all the time, or is it adjustable? In short, does PASM simply improve performance, or does it also provide a softer more comfortable drive than the standard set up - Or will the standard set up always provide the most comfortable ride? Thanks again all for sharing your knowledge Edited by Mulsanne-Speed on Saturday 28th May 09:12

That's great to know thanks Taffy, I'll leave that off

mhh said: Would you climb Mt Everest and stop a few ledges short of the top and say “This’ll do. The view is almost the same. I’ll head back”? Get the Turbo S! You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading. I’ve got (what I assume is) the previous incarnation of these wheels on our TS. I like the look of centre locks. We don’t do huge miles but do use it…. HOWEVER, as a leading Independent said to me - ‘you only need to be stranded once in the South of France with centre locks to know you shouldn’t have them’ or words to that effect. The work around is a collapsible tool that you carry I believe but the SMALL chance of it going wrong with CL was enough for me. And it’s nice to be slightly different sometimes? I think it’s a cost free option to change out? Could be wrong there. Front axle lift is handy. Are you a multi function - aka rather busy - steering wheel sort of owner? It does allow heating but our car warms up pretty quickly! Will have a look at spec and see what I would change/consider after having ours (and using it) for 18m. Whatever you end up doing, they are bloody awesome! It really is the closest thing to an every day ‘super car’ without the bling…… I take it to Waitrose and can get a full week’s shopping in with ‘normal’ mode. Docile as hell. Popped out for ‘milk’ the other day (actually some steak from butchers) and went the ‘long way’ - may have got distracted and used Sport+ on occasion. Wife just looked at me and smiled when I returned grinning - a bit like a mother would smile at a rather pathetic young child I hasten to add

Thanks for the info Slaav. So from what I understand (unless I've misunderstood), changing a wheel on a 911 with CL wheels is not a straightforward process? Front axle lift is £1,700 which seems a bit steep, but I guess the last thing I want is an expensive front paint / bodywork repair, or worse still, the pain I'd feel when hearing the scrape!! I suppose the tricky bit is, looking at the road ahead and knowing whether: A. The extra 4cm will save you B. The extra 4cm is necessary to require the lift So I guess if I'm not entirely sure when to use it, is there any point having it - A bit more thought needed on that one...... I would probably select the heated steering wheel, as it is a nice touch when cold, bit I try to avoid too much in terms of steering wheel functions and especially screens. My daily driver and the car I do the most miles in, is a 15 year old Range Rover, everything has a button and they work every time you may contact with them - The car's only worth about £5k but I love it! "Will have a look at spec and see what I would change/consider after having ours (and using it) for 18m" - Thanks Slaav, would be good to know your thoughts on this. Ultimately, it sounds like a great car either way, Turbo or Turbo S - and a good looking one at that!

Interesting topic for myself. I have ordered a C4s cab in crayon thats scheduled for Q2 next year, and upon speccing it realised that for a wee chunk more i am in turbo territory, and whilst in turbo territory you are as well speccing the S as it makes more sense than expensive options on the turbo. I have a shark blue turbo s scheduled for q4 2023 which I shall just chop the 4s in for. I havn't added lift, as it cannot be any lower than my McLaren and very seldom use lift on that. To be honest, the s spec is pretty decent as is and havnt added many options; its current build price is £188k. When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that.

Seems like you've been down exactly the same road as me wheelspinning Out of interest, when you say "When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that", are you referring to the Shark Blue one, or if you decide to switch your C4S order - I've already been told that my order could be a 992 Gen 2, I've also been told that if I switch to Turbo S it may take slightly longer. In short, do you think if we switch our C4S orders to Turbo S, we'll get 992 Gen 2?

mhh said: Would you climb Mt Everest and stop a few ledges short of the top and say “This’ll do. The view is almost the same. I’ll head back”? Get the Turbo S! You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading. Conversely, if you press on to the summit chances are you’ll say “Hmm. The view here is almost identical to what it was down there”. But you will have the bragging rights that come with summiting.

Mulsanne-Speed said: Seems like you've been down exactly the same road as me wheelspinning Out of interest, when you say "When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that", are you referring to the Shark Blue one, or if you decide to switch your C4S order - I've already been told that my order could be a 992 Gen 2, I've also been told that if I switch to Turbo S it may take slightly longer. In short, do you think if we switch our C4S orders to Turbo S, we'll get 992 Gen 2? Yup...very similar paths! I'm not sure when the 992.2 version arrives, but it was indicated to me the turbo s in Q4 2023 would definitely be gen 2. I just kept the c4s cab order as they shall most likely still do strong prices so we can run about in it for 6mths and lose next to no money awaiting the turbo s cab. Deposits were £5k and £10k. I shall be putting a deposit down on another turbo s cab in October as that should arrive Q2 2024 and trade in again.

I think I'm missing a trick here Spinningwheel........ I wish I'd done similar. I've had a new Range Rover on order for 8 months now (still not slotted), and I'm not sure how long this 911 is going to take. On reflection, I should have put two deposits down with two dealers for each car and see which came in first. As you say, the others will always sell at a profit, at least for the next 6-12 months, worse case scenario, I'd always at least get my money back. I think you've done the right thing.

Mulsanne-Speed said: I think I'm missing a trick here Spinningwheel........ I wish I'd done similar. I've had a new Range Rover on order for 8 months now (still not slotted), and I'm not sure how long this 911 is going to take. On reflection, I should have put two deposits down with two dealers for each car and see which came in first. As you say, the others will always sell at a profit, at least for the next 6-12 months, worse case scenario, I'd always at least get my money back. I think you've done the right thing. Tooo similar.. I am also awaiting a new RR. I put deposit down on launch day back in maybe October, but changed it to the plug in hybrid when that was announced in Feb. No build slot yet but they seem very confident its coming in July. Made a mess of that one as I should of kept my launch edition order and also ordered they hybrid as I may already of had it here, then sold / traded it against the plug in when it arrives. The Porsche thing has made the DP my new best friend and I am twisting his arm for a 992.2 GT3 without having to buy Cayennes etc I have zero interest in.

BlackWidow13 said: mhh said: Would you climb Mt Everest and stop a few ledges short of the top and say “This’ll do. The view is almost the same. I’ll head back”? Get the Turbo S! You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading. Conversely, if you press on to the summit chances are you’ll say “Hmm. The view here is almost identical to what it was down there”. But you will have the bragging rights that come with summiting. I’ve come back to the wheels as about to clean mine…. Should have done this ‘after’ but wanted to show it gets used….

Do you get much brake dust with those carbon brakes Slaav? Also, going back to the wheels, you still haven't said, what's the issue with the CL wheels?

Wheelspinning said: Tooo similar.. I am also awaiting a new RR. I put deposit down on launch day back in maybe October, but changed it to the plug in hybrid when that was announced in Feb. No build slot yet but they seem very confident its coming in July. Made a mess of that one as I should of kept my launch edition order and also ordered they hybrid as I may already of had it here, then sold / traded it against the plug in when it arrives. The Porsche thing has made the DP my new best friend and I am twisting his arm for a 992.2 GT3 without having to buy Cayennes etc I have zero interest in. I can't believe you've said this!!!!!!! Far too similar!!!!!!! I did exactly the same, changed my P530 Autobiography for a LWB P440e in February, because of the tax benefits of getting my company to pay for it. Likewise, wish I'd simply placed another order, rather than switch the first one.

It’s great that money is no object and fair play for working hard etc. Quite honestly though, there are no bragging rights for an S over a turbo. It’s a way for Porsche to squeeze you slightly harder for things you really don’t need. Centre locks - will you be doing F1 style pit stops? Ceramic breaks - can you be arsed sorting this out when a stone gets caught and cracks them? You don’t need to worry about resale values by the sound of it, so just get the one that has the shortest wait and crack on. Hang on, it’s summer already, just buy one that someone has run in with 1K miles and get it down to the South of France. Enjoy!

Grantstown said: It’s great that money is no object and fair play for working hard etc. Quite honestly though, there are no bragging rights for an S over a turbo. It’s a way for Porsche to squeeze you slightly harder for things you really don’t need. Centre locks - will you be doing F1 style pit stops? Ceramic breaks - can you be arsed sorting this out when a stone gets caught and cracks them? You don’t need to worry about resale values by the sound of it, so just get the one that has the shortest wait and crack on. Hang on, it’s summer already, just buy one that someone has run in with 1K miles and get it down to the South of France. Enjoy! Thanks for your comments Grantstown, some good points made. I wouldn't say money's no object, in fact I'm still very cautious, I've been completely broke in the past, so old habits die hard. Interesting what you say though - So these Centre Locks (which I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the disadvantage is with them), are not on the standard Turbo model? Ceramic Brakes, didn't know this about this - Aren't they expensive to replace if they crack? Is a stone causing this damage a common occurrence - If so, certainly a consideration.

anonymous said: [redacted] I didn't know this Nathan - Yes you're right, I did dismiss the GTS because I was worried that the suspension may be too firm, so I am slightly concerned at what you're telling me about the Turbo variants. Two questions Nathan: You say "you can select the softer suspension with the 10mm higher ride height", are you referring to if PASM is selected as an option, or is this a standard adjustment that the car has without PASM? Secondly, in your opinion, does the Carrera 4S have a softer suspension set up than the Turbo varaints? Many thanks

Price of Turbo S ceramic discs is around £5,000 each. On the road they’ll probably last over 100k miles, depending on use or course. Stone damage ca happen. Gravel traps on a circuit. Road use don’t really know.

Thanks for the information Nathan, I'll see if I can find out more - Although I am now slightly less concerned about suspension, as the majority of miles will be on the lovely smooth French Roads. Thank you also to Robert, I won't be tracking the car, so hopefully less likely to occur.

Several quick bitty replies/answers…. PCCBs work stunningly well when you ‘need’ them. It’s frightening that you need to get used to them…. No idea about brake fade as don’t have the balls to track mine! No evidence to me of dust at all. Our RR (L322 - spookily , we have an Autobiography 4.4TDV8 that is almost worthless but we love. Several trips across Europe and effortless) does always get through pads and occasionally (ahem) discs with PLENTY of dust and filth. Our previous 911 got through several sets of pads per set of discs and we got through at least two sets of discs (maybe 3) in our ownership. 100k for the rather expensive PCCBs seems steep at first but not that bad considering. I’m happy with them and quite like knowing I don’t have a four corner bill every couple of years….. gulp! Re the CL wheels - 3 piccys which tell a story: Seems quite normal and EVERYBODY anywhere can change that wheel….. Remember that number which translates to: So that is approx 128 nm Centre locks : Look closely - 600 nm!!! To be fair, most of us would just call Porsche assist but if half way to (eg) Lake Garda……

Hi Mulsanne-Speed On the Centre locks you will need to carry various tools to be able to remove and refit the Centre lock wheels yourself or to ensure the tyre centre has the tools to do so. Once you realise what you need to carry that you can actually fit in the car. The importance in porsche or other recovery becomes apparent. There are various utube videos on how to remove the centre locks so I'll leave you to look at them. I would also get your OPC service Centre to give you a demonstration if they will. To remove and refit the wheel. You will need a jack, a spreader clamp to apply the brakes if you don't have a passenger, either 1. a breaker bar with an electronic torque adapter, you may need 1/2"to3/4"socket adapter as well and an extension bar if you can't raise the required torque. Or 2. a torque multiplier plus a torque wrench capable of adequate torque such as a teng 3492 (if you don't want to use this to undo then you will also need a breaker bar as in 1.) Or 3. a norbar torque wrench or similar but these are over 1.2 metres long so not very practical to carry in the car. Or 4. a renntorque centre lock removal tool and a torque wrench. There are also some companies doing rechargeable battery torque guns but i don't know if they have been approved as yet. Which ever way you choose to go you would also need the centre cap pin, the center cap socket, the paste, an alignment tool is a good idea also, several rags a chunk of wood for the multiplier and something to protect the seat if using the spreader. You would also need a tyre repair and puncture kit with the air compressor if your going to attempt to plug the tyre. Think that's about it, the renntorque way looks to be the easiest but it's by far the most expensive and the tool applies pressure to the wheel spoke which I wouldn't be happy with.

What a faff! It’s all a plot to make sure we give all our tyre business to an OPC. I’ve done 20,000 miles on the continent in my 991.2 with centrelocks and fortunately have never had a tyre issue. My choice in going for the Fuchs style wheel on my new 992 was driven by a styling preference but there’s a strong argument in favour of the 5 lug nuts if you intend to tour far and wide.

Agreed mhh - That does sound like a Faff. Thank you to both Slaav and Benelux for providing such detailed explanations, that's really useful. Can I just check, a couple of questions: If the car is still under warranty, I'm guessing that Porsche will come out and change it for you? (obviously you get shafted on the tyre price!) Does the 911 Turbo and Turbo S carry a spare wheel, or just a repair kit?

Slaav said: Several quick bitty replies/answers…. No evidence to me of dust at all. Our RR (L322 - spookily , we have an Autobiography 4.4TDV8 that is almost worthless but we love. Several trips across Europe and effortless) does always get through pads and occasionally (ahem) discs with PLENTY of dust and filth. Yeah, absolutely love the L322 Slaav - We covered just over 3,000 miles in it over the last few weeks, and it's still the most comfortable car we've ever owned. Essentially it is the same as yours, but ours is a 2007MY powered by the rare 4.4 naturally aspirated V8 petrol Jaguar engine, with 6 speed box. It's so quiet and so comfortable, I'll never part with it. Seen here pre departure to Italy, and stopping off for the dogs while crossing the French Alps - All rear seats completely removed for maximum dog space. (We have to back on to the verge to enable the dogs to get in and out, I can't lift 60kg and 80kg dogs!).

Maybe a GTS Targa is worth considering ? It sits 10mm higher than the coupe, and has the roof top option when needed. Oh, and in relation to the centre lock wheels, you could also look to purchase a separate torque multiplier tool which could be kept in the storage area, just in case. These can be bought for around £200. Edited by Hobo on Monday 30th May 08:21

Mulsanne-Speed said: Agreed mhh - That does sound like a Faff. Thank you to both Slaav and Benelux for providing such detailed explanations, that's really useful. Can I just check, a couple of questions: If the car is still under warranty, I'm guessing that Porsche will come out and change it for you? (obviously you get shafted on the tyre price!) Does the 911 Turbo and Turbo S carry a spare wheel, or just a repair kit? No spare wheel and you only get the repair kit if you select the option. The new car will come with 3 year European Porsche assistance.

Interesting comments above, Based on my experience with the lower 10mm, I did think initially that this option on my 992 Turbo S made it seem to " Bouncy" at first, then as soon as the TPIs were set to 30/33 Cold it felt about perfect, Normal felt more compliant on roads than was I recall the same being on 991.2 tts, and the same for sports being a step up also. I had this -10mm option on 2 x 992 TurboS, and both 992 C2S Coupe and Cab, no problems what so ever with regards to harsh a ride as long as TPs are set to the above, With regards to concerns about CCBDs needing replacing from Aug 13 Porsche moved onto the ceramic coated ones these last way longer than the ones prior. I have done over 200k road and track miles on cars with these CCBDs on over the past 9 years, I have only had to replace one Disc due to excessive stone chips on my Orange 991RS that did over 10k Track miles alone. Even then the disc was fine but it had chips that were outside the 111 Inspection range. With regards to Centre Locks i think comes down to personal choice i have always had this option were available on all my cars, only ever had one Puncture that was fixed with the sealant kit, all other matters like new tyres etc OPC sorts out.