New 2021 Porsche cayenne e hybrid picked up - Page 2 - Porsche General - PistonHeads UK

The wife just took delivery of a porsche cayenne e hybrid to replace her porsche macan s. 1st impressions are good- the cayenne e hybrid has air suspension and sports chrono as standard so rides alot better on the terrible roads around us. I always found the macan with the standard suspension to be quite crashy over bumps and it seemed to float alot over hill crests causing my oldest boy to be sick a few times! The cayenne is comfy, quiet and relatively quick with the 3.0v6 and the electric motors to supplement them. Hopefully the fuel economy will be better in the long run as my wife normally does a 30 mile round commute which should be run fully on its battery. The car was ordered in august 2021 and we added the following options to the standard spec: Moonlight blue metallic Panoramic sunroof Rear privacy glass 20" cayenne design wheels We also kept the brake calipers and side emblems in the acid green as they gave a bit of contrast against the navy blue paint. The only options im maybe wishing we did get was the extended leather pack and the memory seats but overall its alot more spacious for me (im 6ft7) and the kids in the back Cheers

Looks very nice… Interesting that you found the Macan crashy on standard suspension - just out of interest what alloys were you running on it?

It was running the 20" rs spyder alloys. I drove a macan s with air suspension and it made a big difference. It was probably the biggest regret with that car. The macan was big enough for one kid but not two with all the assorted prams etc we have to carry

I always thought a floaty ride was much worse for travel sickness than a firm (crashy) ride! Cayenne on standard springs and 21s is perfect porridge for me.

It was strange the macan felt harsh over potholes and rippled surfaces but alot of the time over the crests of hills the car felt like it wouldnt settle quickly and had an odd floating feeling. Ive not spent alot of time yet in the cayenne but it certainly feeks comfier and less harsh and unsettled. As i said the main two reasons for the change was the increased room inside and hopefully slightly better fuel economy! I drive a 2018 audi s5 which has an identical engine to the macan s. The audi can regularly hit mid 30s mpg where the macan would struggle to get anything above 25mpg. The 7speed pdk and more wind resistance probably explains that. The audi has an 8 speed gearbox which i find to be the better box overall- it responds quicker when you are accelerating and has a smoother change.

If they could have squeezed out a bit more electric range it could have pushed the Bik rate down from 13 to 7%. It would have made a lot of sense as a company car then. Still, from a ride comfort point of view it sounds like it’s a real winner for families.

Yeah i know what you mean. Its a shame as there isnt more battery range but we have had 35 miles out of it with careful driving. No doubt the next cayenne will have significantly improved range. We test drove the new x5 45e hybrid which has 50 miles of pure electric range but my wife liked the porsche more after driving the macan for the past 3 1/2 years. Another thing i am impressed with is how the electric power torque fills the petrol motor and takes away any turbo lag. Even though the car is significantly heavier than a car without the motors and batteries it is still a fair bit quicker due to the extra torque to get the car off the line

svracers said: It was running the 20" rs spyder alloys. I drove a macan s with air suspension and it made a big difference. It was probably the biggest regret with that car. The macan was big enough for one kid but not two with all the assorted prams etc we have to carry I have 21" standard GTS Macan wheels and I was a bit concerned before getting it, no air suspension, but the ride is very good, not crashy, not floaty... Not sure there wasn't something wrong with yours tbh?

Im beginning to think so but tbh i think another problem is im used to saloons as i used to own the mercedes cls and now own the audi s5. I was probably expecting too much.

Nice.... I'd love one of these to replace my X5 4.0d, but they are out of my price range now with retirement looming. Its a shame they dropped the diesel engines, as I'd planned on a Cayenne Diesel to replace the X5, but dieselgate killed that when Porsche stopped all diesel production. I'd be happy to downsize to a Macan S, but again, with petrol only, the fuel bills could be severe if I had to do a 100+ mile a day commute if that was only option workwise during the next 3 or so years.....which could be a possibility.

Cheers the wifes happy with it which is what matters. The range on the battery varies. She told me she only got 27 miles on the battery before the petrol engine cut in- probably due to the cold (-1c) this morning and her using all the heating and heated seats etc. i know alot of people on here swear by the macan s but the fuel economy is bad in comparison to my s5 sportback with the same engine. The s5 is also faster and handles better. People say the macan handles well. I think it handles well for an suv. There is a difference. Again im just used to saloons and the lack of body roll, lower centre of gravity and inertia. I think my wife was paying around £60 a week on fuel on the macan s for mainly her commute and short weekend drives.

If you put a destination into the sat nav does it work out when best to deploy electrical energy during the journey for maximum economy?

Yes i believe it does. Ive not had much time with the car to look at everything as the wife takes it to work everyday but the sat nav can be programmed to take the quickest or the most econonical route if youre using the batteries. I believe trying to miss out motorways as they drain the battery power very quickly. If you zoom out on the map you can also see the current electric range as it draws a blue circle on the map showing how far the batteries will take you. Clever stuff!

It’s a myth that the Air Suspension makes the Cayenne or Macan ‘floaty’ - it actually improves the ride and handling. However, with each new generation of Cayenne and Macan, I would say that the standard ride/handling compromise has improved. I tried the latest Macan 3 on 21” wheels and I was very impressed how well it felt, in all respects.

No i think the air suspension does not feel floaty at all. I think its a better setup than the steel springs. On most of the roads in scotland which are of poor quality.

You lot obviously don’t live out in the countryside. Rule no1 is take the RS Spyders off, wrap them up securely and replace with a set of cheap wheels and proper tyres, not the rubber band stuff. Must admit, we tried the V6 Cayenne hybrid as an option to replace the V8S. Unfortunately we both thought it was gutless, but then we were comparing it to the mighty twin blown diesel V8.

Taking mine on a 150 miles trip tomorrow. When I arrive at the destination is it worth finding a charger for the return trip? How can I calculate fuel saving over that distance leaving with a full charge vs empty?

I’ve driven to the S of F in ours a couple of times, economy is shocking, around 23 - 24 mpg! Driving a long way lugging a flat battery is never going to be good. Used to get 37 mpg from a previous 3.0d Cayenne on the same run. Edited by jh001 on Sunday 9th January 09:58

You should be driving it in hybrid mode as when the battery goes flat the petrol engine will help charge the battery up again. Another thing ive found is to put the regeneration at maximum as that is also feeding power back into the battery all the time and you save on brakes! Ive also noticed that travelling on the motorway destroys the range which is annoying and i think the electric power will continue to 80mph. I think doing motorway driving you will be lucky to get around 20 miles range. Im not a big fan of diesel porsches. You may as well buy a audi q7 or vw tourag and save some money! Edited by svracers on Sunday 9th January 13:26

The v8 d was epic and sounded great pre filter, I’d have one of those again in a heartbeat if available new.

Jh i agree the v8 diesel was great. Alot of torque for the cayenne. I like the 3.0v6 in my s5 and im seriously considering getting it chipped. It would take it from 360hp to 470hp which would be epic

jh001 said: I’ve driven to the S of F in ours a couple of times, economy is shocking, around 23 - 24 mpg! Driving a long way lugging a flat battery is never going to be good. Used to get 37 mpg from a previous 3.0d Cayenne on the same run. Porsche should never have dropped the diesel.....at least a diesel hybrid would have been more logical.

Just drove back from val thorens to the Netherlands in our cayenne e-hybrid and averaged 31mpg for the trip with an average speed of 100kph. Would have been better if we’d not been stuck behind a load of slowpokes with chains and crap tyres doing 15kph down the bloody mountain - nor fast enough to regenerate decent battery and we started home without much as the teslas had hogged the charger in the hotel garage. Awesome long-distance cruise machine. I’ve also done a Porsche experience 1/2 day with a police pursuit driving trainer where we went driving in the dunes and a lake as well as high speed on-road driving so I can attest to it being a rather superb all-rounder.

The trouble with 31mpg is that the V8 gave 40mpg over a long run at 70mph!

I'm just in the process of chopping in our e-hybrid coupe for a Turbo GT, I have a funny feeling that on a decent run the GT will return better economy than the e-hybrid! The e-hybrid is great for regular short runs especially if you have solar panels on your house that charge the car.

DeejRC said: The trouble with 31mpg is that the V8 gave 40mpg over a long run at 70mph! But it’s better than my Audi S4 was whilst also being fasted, quieter, more comfortable and significantly larger Oh and on the short trips we regularly do, it’s 100% electric.

I had an E-hybrid for a day to try, it did 23-24 running about locally after the battery had drained and I think that’s what I would have got as an average day in, day out. I tow too. I liked it and I think it made me drive more sedately. With better longer range battery tech it would be good I think but I bought a late low miles diesel V8 instead which is mega. It does 26 on local short runs and 36+ on a trip. I have bulk tank fuel storage too so fuel storages were as stress free as they were for EV drivers. Shame dieselgate happened or we would still be able to get them.

Interesting exercise today, returned my e-hybrid to the dealer, exactly the same trip home in the new car. On a longer run the GT mpg would have improved quite a bit I’m sure.[url]

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Im surprised that the turbo gt is over 20mpg. Interesting comparison. I checked our e hybrids average mpg since we picked it up. Currently at 38.2mpg which im pretty happy with. Alot of the journeys are short though. As other people have said it will be interesting to see what it can do over hundreds of miles!

Here’s the total for my ownership. Great for local trips <25 miles but poor for most trips > 150 miles

svracers said: Im surprised that the turbo gt is over 20mpg. Interesting comparison. I checked our e hybrids average mpg since we picked it up. Currently at 38.2mpg which im pretty happy with. Alot of the journeys are short though. As other people have said it will be interesting to see what it can do over hundreds of miles! It's the short trips where the hybrids are such a benefit. The old fashioned way in a 2008 petrol V8 for short town journeys gave 10-13mpg.

Yeah hopefully it will be used for mainly shorter journeys. On a separate subject, Im considering selling my motorbikes and buying a maserati granturismo 4.7 auto with 26000 miles... obv running an s5 sportback on its own isnt ruining me enough financially! Must resist!

jh001 said: I’ve driven to the S of F in ours a couple of times, economy is shocking, around 23 - 24 mpg! Driving a long way lugging a flat battery is never going to be good. Used to get 37 mpg from a previous 3.0d Cayenne on the same run. Edited by jh001 on Sunday 9th January 09:58 That is poor, I get 22-23mpg in my V8 Turbo S Hybrid with the battery flat on a longer run and I'm heavy footed. If I sit at 70 in it I'll get 30mpg Not sure how DeejRC managed to get 40mpg out of his V8d though, mine would do 24-25mpg heavy footed, maybe high 20's sat at 70, and the wife somehow used to squeeze a bit more out of it with the best being about 32mpg absolutely babying it.