987 Spyder for touring ! - Page 3 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Hi everyone, I'm interested in buying a 987 Spyder to use for touring to Ireland, NC 500, Europe etc. It would be a car to enjoy for two weeks of the year on annual trips. I am form the southern tip of Africa ! Most of the manuals I see have no AC ! How important is AC for driver comfort In the U.K ? I appreciate everyone's valued advice, and thank you in advance !

I guess with all these things it's very personal. My car has aircon and I personally wouldn't want one without. Even in this country we get some hot weather during summer and it's nice to have, particularly if you are planning on trips to Europe. But on the flip side, having no aircon is one less thing to go wrong/need replacing as the car gets older and of course the car is lighter without. P.S Only using the car a couple of weeks a year as mentioned is criminal

Thank you TommyRS ! I hear you on the two week story loud and clear ! It's one of those things when you can only take one 2 week break abroad, and do the NC 500 ! Here in sunny South Africa one would never think of a car without AC !

I am based on southern germany/austria (warmer than the UK) and purely for driving no aircon is fine, but i would not want to then head to lunch in a dress shirt on a sunny day. My cars are coupes, i suspect in an open air car it would be more comfortable as more air circulation. If i were to buy a Spyder, i would likely slightly prefer "no aircon" for the lightest possible spec, but i wouldnt disregard cars that have one - manual, bucket seats, color in that order would be the more important factors for me

Of course there are better cars for touring in terms of refinement and storage. However the Spyder is certainly comfortable enough for a sports car, especially if it is just for two weeks enjoyment with fun on the agenda. The front and rear boots allow for some decent storage with sensible packing. Depending on how far back you sit you can also slide stuff behind the seats. Personally i prefer having the A\C if needed. For me it’s for those days where it is actually quite warm and muggy but with rain present so the roof and windows need to be up. As for the extra weight, I think it’s largely irrelevant for the intended use of the vehicle. Even if it was used on track days, it isn’t a world championship, so what if it means the car is a tenth or two slower.

Nothing will be more fun - just do it - with enough thought luggage for two is easy I have done 124,500 miles in mine, its just epic Get it done

One thing to consider is if you go Bucket seats you will get a sweaty back faster than normal Sport Seats.

I so very much appreciate all your comments ! I absolutely love the 987 Spyder as it will be tremendous fun, exactly what I am looking for ! For me buckets and manual are a must ! My ONLY concern is if trips to Scotland,Wales, Ireland, Northern Europe, France, Germany etc would be uncomfortable at times specifically because of the absence of AC ? I have buckets in a couple of other P cars and I have no negative comfort issues with them. If I'm going to be doing 500 miles some days, certain stretches of road are going to call for roof up motoring ! Is the weather that hot that I would be cursing for an AC ? Please excuse my ignorance, but in South Africa, you would rather drive a Ford Transit with AC in the summer than any Porsche without AC !

khushy said: Nothing will be more fun - just do it - with enough thought luggage for two is easy I have done 124,500 miles in mine, its just epic Get it done Wow, 124 K miles ! That's just as many smiles ! I definitely want to do it, just want to make the right choice between a Spyder and a Cayman R. I think if I could find an R with manual, buckets and AC it would be a no brainer.

We were coming back through France back in 2019 with some friends during a sweltering few days. We had a 981CS, our friends a 986 Boxster. It was 43degC. Too hot for roof down, and their AC not working. Guess who had the nicer journey. Wouldn't have a car without AC personally even in the UK. A fully loaded car when touring isn't going to notice a few more kg's.

I'm beginning to think AC is a must to be able to enjoy the car in any chosen summer month, in any European country. I could plan my trips around moderate months like April, May, maybe June, then Sept and Oct and Nov ? I really want a Spyder but can't find a manual, buckets with AC ! 981's are still too highly priced to leave in storage and just use on fun trips maybe even once a year !

Champs said: My ONLY concern is if trips to Scotland,Wales, Ireland, would be uncomfortable at times specifically because of the absence of AC ? No. Champs said: My ONLY concern is if trips to Northern Europe, France, Germany etc would be uncomfortable at times specifically because of the absence of AC ? Maybe, but if you happened to catch the 43C in your two weeks, you should consider yourself astonishingly unlucky. Champs said: Is the weather that hot that I would be cursing for an AC ? No. ETA let me qualify that - if you choose to be in any of the tourist destinations in Southern Europe during the school holidays, you would first curse the traffic jams, and the fact you are sat in a car with no AC would be 2nd. I would do your trips outside of school holidays, as it sounds like you can, and buy the 49k GBP no-a/c low mileage Spyder currently for sale. Edited by Orangecurry on Wednesday 21st April 10:55

Agree about the traffic. I always try and go around June to avoid the traffic. More enjoyable with the roof down as well when it’s not super hot.

Thank you all for clarifying that AC is not a must have. I think, most importantly, is that I am able to plan trips around the hottest months and explore the U.K etc in May / June. This will not be a car for busy tourist attractions, but rather for fun road trips ! My intention is to enjoy and explore the U.K. and Irish back roads and scenery in my very own Porsche. Dave from Driving Venture and many other Youtubers have really got this bug to bite me I last visited the U.K. in 2018 and found myself in a Avis Fiat 500 ! Not a bad car, but I realized that, in a Spyder or R, my 2 week break would only be eclipsed by a trip to Heaven ! So now I find myself trying to buy a car I have not seen myself, not the most comfortable place to be yikes: ! Heaven alone knows when Covid will allow travel again, and I am definitely not accepting a so called vaccine ! If any of you could offer any input, are the black 19 inch Carerra S 11 wheels less desirable than the lightweights ? Pilote Classics have a Spyder with these wheels, and I was just wondering about ever selling one day if this wheel would count against me ? Personally I prefer the lightweight Spyder wheels ! Thank you all once again dear friends !

Champs said: Thank you all for clarifying that AC is not a must have. I think, most importantly, is that I am able to plan trips around the hottest months and explore the U.K etc in May / June. This will not be a car for busy tourist attractions, but rather for fun road trips ! My intention is to enjoy and explore the U.K. and Irish back roads and scenery in my very own Porsche. Dave from Driving Venture and many other Youtubers have really got this bug to bite me I last visited the U.K. in 2018 and found myself in a Avis Fiat 500 ! Not a bad car, but I realized that, in a Spyder or R, my 2 week break would only be eclipsed by a trip to Heaven ! So now I find myself trying to buy a car I have not seen myself, not the most comfortable place to be yikes: ! Heaven alone knows when Covid will allow travel again, and I am definitely not accepting a so called vaccine ! If any of you could offer any input, are the black 19 inch Carerra S 11 wheels less desirable than the lightweights ? Pilote Classics have a Spyder with these wheels, and I was just wondering about ever selling one day if this wheel would count against me ? Personally I prefer the lightweight Spyder wheels ! Thank you all once again dear friends ! Having non Spyder wheels is definitely less desirable, They are also heavier too!

My Cayman R is non AC and all the better for it IMO. Only once in 4.5 years have i missed AC and i was queuing in Stuttgart traffic in 35c. The rest of the time i couldn't care less. Even less so in a Spyder where the whole damn roof comes off lol. Get it done and dont look back

I've owned 2 987 spyders, one with air con, one without. Never made a jot of difference as never used the air con on the one that had it. I would say plan not to get stuck in traffic!!

I have a 987 Spyder buckets .manual ss.air con .do little miles in it as have another Porsche so its for special days out for me . The roof is only good for 115 so high speed autobahn driving is out ,it can get a bit noisy in cabin above uk motorway speed ,but is completely dry living in Scotland we get a fair share of wet weather, a lot run without the rear screen off gives a nice breeze in the cabin .bonus can access rear boot when hood in place with out undoing the rear fins ,cant do it in the 981 or 718 .It is the one to have imo more the classic car .

[quote=jimmy p] Never made a jot of difference as never used the air con on the one that had it. Thank you Sir ! I am getting more comfortable now with the absence of AC ! Every little bit of Spyder owner experience is just so appreciative to me!, thank you to everyone

[quote=woodysnr a lot run without the rear screen off gives a nice breeze in the cabin .bonus can access rear boot when hood in place with out undoing the rear fins ,cant do it in the 981 or 718 .It is the one to have imo more the classic car . Wow, I was not aware that one could undo the rear screen and maintain the hood up ? I'm even more crazy about the Spyder now This is one major plus feature, similar to the rear window on a 600 LT Spyder, just the Boxter has the better exhaust note though This thread has really been mega useful to me, thank you all so much !

Champs said: I'm beginning to think AC is a must to be able to enjoy the car in any chosen summer month, in any European country. I could plan my trips around moderate months like April, May, maybe June, then Sept and Oct and Nov ? I really want a Spyder but can't find a manual, buckets with AC ! 981's are still too highly priced to leave in storage and just use on fun trips maybe even once a year ! I sold my manual, buckets, Spyder wheels and AC on Monday, it was on AT on Monday this week so I am not sure they are super hard to find. As others have said very usable car, storage, comfort and special to drive especially top down less so top up. Top up without the back screen in is very pleasant. Go for it, I enjoyed mine for 5 years but just wasn’t using it enough to justify that plus it’s garage companion.

Thank you LemonTart, nice to know that the spec is around ! Not being from the U.K limits me on where to look. I was only looking on PistonHeads ! I'll search Auto Trader too now. I do need to be careful who I buy from as I'll be buying without seeing in the metal, and I'll require storage each and every month. I'll also need to register the car in my name, and find a dealer prepared to use their address for correspondence as I do not have a U.K address !

Well best of luck with the continued hunt for one. You’re quite fortunate at the minute as there are 3 nice examples available all of which have buckets and manual gearbox. I’m sure you’ve spotted them already, But they are Pilote Classics, Ashgoods Porsche and Porsche Leicester.

I have air con in all my cars. Never use it. Ever. I have windows that open and a sunroof. And in the Spyder a top that comes off. Been all over Europe in mid summer in my land rover defender 110 with no air con. In my Spyder I’m more interested in my heated seats

TommyRS_ said: Well best of luck with the continued hunt for one. You’re quite fortunate at the minute as there are 3 nice examples available all of which have buckets and manual gearbox. I’m sure you’ve spotted them already, But they are Pilote Classics, Ashgoods Porsche and Porsche Leicester. Thank you Sir ! You all will be the first to be updated on what transpires ! I assume all 3 these dealers are top notch to deal with I've tried doing my homework by reading a few reviews.

Billy_Whizzzz said: I have air con in all my cars. Never use it. Ever. I have windows that open and a sunroof. And in the Spyder a top that comes off. Been all over Europe in mid summer in my land rover defender 110 with no air con. In my Spyder I’m more interested in my heated seats It's great to hear this from your first hand experience Sir ! I have a couple Porsche's I've specced with Radio / infotainment delete, but always with AC. We don't all need a radio when we have a beautiful flat 6 on the howl and a 6 speed joy stick for company ! I can hardly wait for a 987 Spyder. It's the one for me !

Champs said: If any of you could offer any input, are the black 19 inch Carerra S 11 wheels less desirable than the lightweights ? Pilote Classics have a Spyder with these wheels, and I was just wondering about ever selling one day if this wheel would count against me ? Personally I prefer the lightweight Spyder wheels ! Thank you all once again dear friends ! Hi, The Carerra S wheels are slightly heavier than the Spyder wheels but there is not a massive amount in it. So would not put you off. The Spyder wheels are not as expensive as you think (£3.5k can buy you a new set without any haggling) and considering how much you could get for the Carrera II wheels the price to change would be a little bit more palatable. That Pilote Classic car was owned by me previously so I can assure you the service history is spot on with full OPC history and a considerable amount spent at the Porsche dealer to keep it up to scratch. Pilote Classic have done a great job of making it even more special with all the detailing that it has had done - it was in good shape with me but I was amazed how good it looks in the pictures. I certainly did not find the lack of AC an issue and was perfectly fine for the Scottish trips in the car. I also worked in SA for a number of years so know where you are coming from - probably still got the 3rd degree burns from touching the steering wheel of the Avis Citi Golf when visiting Franschhoek George Edited by douglasgdmw on Thursday 22 April 13:07

Hi George, Thank you so much for this info ! This means sooo much to hear from a previous owner ! I am sad to report that 30 min ago I got a message from Pilote that the car is gone It really did look magnificent and I bet Polite are great gentleman to deal with ! I was smitten but spent the past two days doing a little homework and got beaten to it ! Thankyou for your input and advise on the AC. I hope you enjoyed SA and Western Cape. Come back soon and look me up ! Greetings, Barry

Barry, Sorry to hear you missed out in a great car and best of luck in the search. Will definitely give you a shout if I am back out in the Western Cape, exchange rate for Rand looks like its back to the days of 2003 when I was in CPT which would have been good for us Brits if it wasn't for this virus ?? If you need any advice then feel free to give me a DM. Would also recommend you subscribe to Porsche Boxster Spyders (UK) facebook group as often cars come up for sale there prior to coming onto market. Look me up when you get to do the NC500, still to decide on my next vehicle after the Spyder but don't think the Series 2a Land Rover I am getting restored would keep up ?? Cheers George

Champs said: Hi everyone, I'm interested in buying a 987 Spyder to use for touring to Ireland, NC 500, Europe etc. It would be a car to enjoy for two weeks of the year on annual trips. I am form the southern tip of Africa ! Most of the manuals I see have no AC ! How important is AC for driver comfort In the U.K ? I appreciate everyone's valued advice, and thank you in advance ! I have a Manual AC car that l could be persuaded to let go if you are still looking. PM me. Regards.

PM sent, thank you !

Or could you be tempted with a very special very low mileage two owner PDK no ac but buckets and Spyder wheels and sports chrono and the important noisy exhaust

Hi Andy, it would be so great to find a Spyder from an enthusiast on Pistonheads ! It really does mean so much to be able to meet and speak and question the owner, unlike at a dealer who gives you the , "not that I'm aware of answers !" My heart is set on a manual, buckets, white, Spyder mags, low millage, previously loved car. I had a toss up between thinking of a Spyder or an R. My initial choice was an R ! However, my commonsense tells me that were talking of a 10 to 11 year old car, and Spyders are more likely to have been fair weather toys. So I trust looking for the Spyder will end up getting me the ' better ' car for my intention. However, Ii I found a low millage pampered R like the Zanzibar red one that was at RPM with AC, I think I would change my mind ! Thank you all for your invaluable help and advice !

This one is low mileage 10736 and well loved looked after for me by Cameron Sports Cars just outside Bath I am the 2nd owner. I’vedone the full Porsche ownership experience 911, Macan, GT4, Cayman S and the Spyder manuals and PDKs for last 3 years and just love the flexibility of the PDK especially when touring. We done over 3k miles in two weeks around Europe to the Austrian GP Stelvio etc and the NC500 where the PDK really came into its own..... this car is exceptional but I’m just not using it enough and it needs to be driven more just bought a new VW California for touring around in our new COVID world ... if you want chat drop me a PM

Selling my 987 Spyder - PDK / Black / Carbon Seats and no AC - 14k miles and just had 48K service done due to car age 5 miles ago. Fabulous car owned past 7 years. Not used much and been garaged in Carcoon with roof off, so still looks like new.

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Gentleman, It's been a while since I've wanted to update : The Ashgood Spyder 6 speed buckets became mine about a month ago It was not cheap, but I needed a low mile car that was not just clean upon first glance, but clean underneath too. My reasoning was, seeing I am only able to use it for about 10 days of the year, it would be standing for long periods, and a car that stands a lot, ends up needing a lot of maintenance. So I wanted an as new as possible underside of a Spyder ! I think this one suits what I needed. Thus far I've only been able to observe pics, but she looks absolutely gorgeous all round ! She's currently in storage, waiting for Covid to allow travel I can hardly wait to come over and sample some fine Welsh roads and scenery ! Thank you all for the great keyboard talk and encouragement that helped me in my decision !

Err, you're only going to drive it 10 days a year? Did you not consider just hiring one instead?

Champs said: Gentleman, It's been a while since I've wanted to update : The Ashgood Spyder 6 speed buckets became mine about a month ago It was not cheap, but I needed a low mile car that was not just clean upon first glance, but clean underneath too. My reasoning was, seeing I am only able to use it for about 10 days of the year, it would be standing for long periods, and a car that stands a lot, ends up needing a lot of maintenance. So I wanted an as new as possible underside of a Spyder ! I think this one suits what I needed. Thus far I've only been able to observe pics, but she looks absolutely gorgeous all round ! She's currently in storage, waiting for Covid to allow travel I can hardly wait to come over and sample some fine Welsh roads and scenery ! Thank you all for the great keyboard talk and encouragement that helped me in my decision ! Glad you managed to get a Spyder. Just make sure that the storage company rotates the tyres for you to eliminate any flat spots. Last thing you want is the vibration of flat spots to ruin your trip when you use the car (or having to replace the tyres unnecessarily). George

I had a 987 Spyder, drove from Scotland to Wales and wanted to set fire to it. The roof flapping noise on the motorway gave me a bloody sore head. Great for local runs with the roof down, but flawed at speed when up.

I had 1 a few years ago took it to the Isle of Man for a holiday brilliant weather top down all the time. It sounds awesome with sport exhaust on. But motorway is a pain with top up sold it only for that reason and bought a Cayman r stunned car

DMC2 said: I had a 987 Spyder, drove from Scotland to Wales and wanted to set fire to it. The roof flapping noise on the motorway gave me a bloody sore head. Great for local runs with the roof down, but flawed at speed when up. That’s interesting.... I remember James May mentioned it in his Top Gear review. That’s a shame, it’s such a pretty car and practical too; I was hoping it would make a good tourer.

Lox said: I've done several road trips down through Europe in mine, each adding 2,500-3,000 miles and taking in the full range of roads, including lots of motorways to get to the interesting bits. Motorways are not its forte, no doubt, but it's far from unbearable. Wind noise where the windows meet the roof and tyre noise are the issue, but the roof absolutely does not flap! Think you'd need to try one and decide if it's something you can live with. For me, the pluses so massively outweigh the minuses that it's not even a question, hence owning it for over ten years now!

Armitage.Shanks said: Err, you're only going to drive it 10 days a year? Did you not consider just hiring one instead? Hello Sir, I am not a UK citizen, and do not reside in the UK. I can only find about 10 days at a time to travel abroad from my homeland, South Africa. 10 days at a time, so I could do this about twice a year. I would be sharing the car with my brother who could also travel twice a year at different times. To respond to the rental suggestion : I'm pretty sentimental and enjoy building a relationship and history with the car ! It is not a car I intend on selling, just a car for fun road trips and exploring in good weather months. I know it sounds crazy, but I have never sold a single one of my cars in the last 27 years since I got my license. I enjoy bonding with my cars and reminiscing the memories and experiences in each one. I want to take MY Porsche through Europe back to its birthplace in Stuttgart Renting would thus not be the same for me

douglasgdmw said: Glad you managed to get a Spyder. Just make sure that the storage company rotates the tyres for you to eliminate any flat spots. Last thing you want is the vibration of flat spots to ruin your trip when you use the car (or having to replace the tyres unnecessarily). George Hi George, Thank you for keeping up with me ! I really feel I missed your gem of a car at Pilote ! Being an absentee purchaser, the time I required to get all my queries and due diligence done on a car was hopelessly out paced by you locals ! So yours was car car which I felt was going to be mine, but I missed ! The gent who bought your Spyder is on the Facebook group, so I can tell he is really loving it ! My Spyder is in really good care, dehumidified for 26 weeks and monthly gentle exercise. Would be really great to meet up for coffee some day. Greetings, Barry

BrotherMouzone said: DMC2 said: I had a 987 Spyder, drove from Scotland to Wales and wanted to set fire to it. The roof flapping noise on the motorway gave me a bloody sore head. Great for local runs with the roof down, but flawed at speed when up. That’s interesting.... I remember James May mentioned it in his Top Gear review. That’s a shame, it’s such a pretty car and practical too; I was hoping it would make a good tourer. I guess I'll be touring on the B roads then

Champs said: I guess I'll be touring on the B roads then My 987 Spyder was the most fun car I’ve ever owned, bar none. Very special to look at and it felt more alive than other Porsches I’ve had, probably because it’s that much lighter. There’s no doubt that the roof is a compromise and you’ll be cursing it after long motorway trips: I drove to the South of France in mine several times and it always took several stiff drinks to get the ringing in my ears to subside. However it’s well designed, functional, and I grew to like the sense of ceremony associated with putting it up & taking it down. In the end I think I actually ended-up bonding with it more strongly because of, not in spite of the roof. Perhaps I’m weird but I find it hard to bond with cars which are too perfect at everything. The Spyder has character.

+1 my 718 Spyder is a brilliant car partly because of the roof and all the attendant compromises. The noise on the motorway is crap but easily fixed by dropping the hood. I have my hood down all year round unless it’s absolutely pissing down. The heater and heated seats are top notch and anything up to about 80mph in the depth of winter is fine top down. I also have the Burmester so I can just crank the volume right up and listen to music or the cricket as I whizz along, At least my ears are ringing with something I like

bigmowley said: +1 my 718 Spyder is a brilliant car partly because of the roof and all the attendant compromises. The noise on the motorway is crap but easily fixed by dropping the hood. I have my hood down all year round unless it’s absolutely pissing down. The heater and heated seats are top notch and anything up to about 80mph in the depth of winter is fine top down. I also have the Burmester so I can just crank the volume right up and listen to music or the cricket as I whizz along, At least my ears are ringing with something I like Nice to hear you're enjoying your Spyder to the full intention of design ! We are so privileged !

NoTreadLeft said: My 987 Spyder was the most fun car I’ve ever owned, bar none. Very special to look at and it felt more alive than other Porsches I’ve had, probably because it’s that much lighter. There’s no doubt that the roof is a compromise and you’ll be cursing it after long motorway trips: I drove to the South of France in mine several times and it always took several stiff drinks to get the ringing in my ears to subside. However it’s well designed, functional, and I grew to like the sense of ceremony associated with putting it up & taking it down. In the end I think I actually ended-up bonding with it more strongly because of, not in spite of the roof. Perhaps I’m weird but I find it hard to bond with cars which are too perfect at everything. The Spyder has character. I like the way you think Sir ! Without trying to talk my choice up, I hear you loudly in the same language To me, the 987 Spyder is one hell of a special car in the Porsche lineage for under £50K. Sorry to bring value into the equation, but as you mentioned, its mega special with its quirky top. To me it is not flawed. It was designed as a Speedster and not a cabriolet. As Henry Catchpole says, you use the Speedster only occasionally with the roof up, and you use a cabriolet occasionally with the roof down ! Now I want to use the Spyder for touring the Beautiful UK and Europe etc. I will not be in any hurry, but enjoying the scenic routes, beautiful weather ( hopefully ) and every now and again some twisties ! I am privileged to also have an 89 Speedster and a 2019 Speedster, so the 2011 Spyder should just be fine Edited by Champs on Thursday 17th June 16:52

Don't wish to upset anybody here but if you gave me the choice of a two week driving holiday to either include or exclude the UK I would exclude it. If it was a 52 week holiday then I would include it, but there is far more enjoyment to be had driving in mainland Europe. I live in the UK and any time I wish to enjoy driving I go to mainland Europe, which I have done several times a year for as long as I can remember. There is no type of scenery or roads in the UK than cannot be bettered in Belgium, France, Switzerland, Italy, Austria or Germany. Between the constant road works, badly maintained roads and cameras everywhere driving in the UK has become too much work for too little reward, all IMO.

Thank you 981Boxess ! I am 100 % grateful for your much appreciated first hand advice and logic ! It is my plan to do all those travels, however, I am only able to take between 8 - 10 days incl flight ( 2 days ) time in any given period. So initially my plan is to first enjoy around Wales, Scotland, Yorkshire etc. and a ferry trip from Holyhead to get to Ireland. Once this is done, I plan on doing a ferry from Poole to Santander, and spending 6 days in Northern Spain to explore the roads in the Pyrenees. The above could end up being a few trips over 3 to 5 years ! Then I plan on doing Europe God Willing. Europe may need a car with an AC, or would an AC delete Spyder do ? Thank you for your great insight and experience ! I'm not upset but very happy with your helpful comment

Champs said: Once this is done, I plan on doing a ferry from Poole to Santander, and spending 6 days in Northern Spain to explore the roads in the Pyrenees. Ok, if you are doing this in stages then this plan is getting better by the day. I am not sure there is a crossing from Poole to Santander, but even if there is I would give that idea a miss and use Portsmouth instead. There are so many cameras surrounding Poole that it takes ages to travel in and out of it compared Portsmouth. In addition to that for whatever reason there were always delays at Poole, I stopped using it years ago, too much hassle. As for the aircon debate, I guess it all depends on when in the year you intend do this but whilst it wouldn’t make much difference either way in the UK or northern Europe it certainly would in Spain – unless the car I wanted does not have that option I would want it, no question.

Thank you again for your great advice ........much appreciated ........ my obstacle which now still remains is Covid