996 C4S or 997 C2? - Page 4 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Guys, After a collective point of views on buying one of the above 2 cars. I've found 2 cars, both within £1000 of £25K, so price is near enough identical. Both cars done roughly the same mileage (approx 50K), both have full dealer/specialist service history's, both manuals, the C4S has PASM but the C2 doesn't. Rest of the spec is pretty similar. Both cars in fantastic condition. Both black with black leather. My problem is I love both cars for different reasons 996 C4S Pros - Wide Body, looks ace, I actually prefer the 4 wheel drive as I'm not brave/stupid/talented enough to be sliding a 911 round sideways, I think value shouldn't drop below current values (hopefully even rise in value) Cons - Although actual car is a 2004, 996 are now nearly 20 years old in design and feels as such inside. 997 C2 - Build quality and car just seems a huge step up from the 996. It could pass as a 3 year old car. Cons - Don't think prices have hit rock bottom. I will be doing about 5000 miles per yer. Had many sports cars over the years (TVR, Lotus, M3 etc) but never scratched the childohood 911 itch, so nows the time. Will probably keep the car for 2 - 3 year, maybe more. Question is, which one?

Drive both and then decide ... FWIW I went for a 997.2 C2 three years ago and have used it as a daily so I've put a few miles on ... it will have an easier life from now on but it's a keeper and gets lots of TLC

For me this is an absolutle no brainer 997 c2

I was once told by a reputable Porsche indie with 30+ years of experience in the trade that engines woes aside which are common to both cars, the build quality of the 997 is a step ahead relative to the 996. However, this point is almost irrelevant if the 996 has been cared for and the 997 neglected. I’d pick the 997 C2 personally if history is like for like.

I adore my 997.1 c2 black on black manual Edited by MrJuice on Monday 16th April 22:03

Midgster said: Guys, the C4S has PASM but the C2 doesn't. You mean the other way round. Don't think 996s had a PASM option. If it's not a daily driver, the 996 is a better car imo as it's a bit more raw/pure so it feels like more of an occasion. Driving it everyday would be less enticing but still completely do-able.

The 997 C2s are ten a penny in relative terms. I'd choose the 996 C4S any day unless you specifically wanted 2WD and didn't care about depreciation.

In a survey on 911UK.com, the 997.1 C2 has more IMS failures than any other model (all though the 996 C4s is next...). No it's not scientifically sound, but it must mean something.

Why would you chose the 996 ? I have no axe to grind own neither variant but i would only choose a 996 if it was considerably cheaper like for like. Unless you need awd. 997 is a more modern platform. It drives better, the c2 is one of the best in the 911 range for driving. Plus it obviously looks far better im one of those who thinks the 996 is a capable car but its looks kinda distant it from the rest of the 911s. Yes partly why i love 911s is thaf classic front which the 996 does not have. Im actually surprised like for like 996 c4s and 997 c2 trade at parity is this really true? I would certainly pay a lot more for the 997 if it were my cash

dvshannow said: Im actually surprised like for like 996 c4s and 997 c2 trade at parity is this really true? I would certainly pay a lot more for the 997 if it were my cash '#becauseinvestmentopportunity, to paraphrase Speedhunters. 996 C4S prices have been steadily increasing for a good six months. When I started trawling the classifieds there were plenty around for between £18-22k, but now the manuals seem to start at closer to £25k. I'm one who has been scared off 997s by the engine concerns. When I first started looking I couldn't believe what good value 997s are and as the interior is so much nicer than the 996 it was no contest. Then I started reading about technical issues and became uneasy, which is why I switched my attention to early 996s instead. Edited by Ahonen on Tuesday 17th April 11:52

Morning! Firstly, what cmoose said about the 996 / early 997 engines - Bar a few induction and cooling mods it's essentially the same unit. Anyway, given that you're only planning to put about 5k miles on whichever car you buy (and therefore won't lose that much relative to your initial outlay) IMO it's a no brainer to go for the 997. It's a much fresher looking car and a much more rewarding drive than the C4s. Pretty as the C4s is, it's still got a lot of cache mainly because of the way it looks, but it's not much of a drivers car when you're pressing on as the extra weight of the wide body and running gear actually count against it. Sure it feels nice and secure, but never that exciting. A friend of mine had one for a couple of years and never really got on with it as he said it always felt like it should feel much quicker but never did. Contrast that with the 997 which for a start is only rear wheel drive and is, apparently, the sweeter drive out of the C2 / C2s pairing. Take it out, keep it below 4k rpm until the oil temp comes up to about 90deg then drive it like you stole it. It's what 997s were designed for and respond so well to - it'll pay you back in spades.

Not wishing to open pandora's box but bore scoring is v. uncommon on 997.1 3.6 engines (non S) and post 2007 MY Sept'06 build the 3.6 engine has a different and more reliable bearing. I have a 997.1 C2 and can see the dilemma, for me the interior quality and styling of the newer car appeal - but a 996 4 S is quite rare and likely this will help values. Check your aircon works!

Well thanks guys, no help what so ever Everything everyone has said here I agree with 100%. I've read all about IMS problems, bore scoring etc and thinks there's risk with either...it's a Porsche so I'm ready for a big repair bill if it happens. Hopefully not. The C4S is telling me it may well be the more sensible buy, depreciation wise, which although isn't an important factor, does come into the equation. I think it has more wow factor to look at and rarer than the C2, which are pretty common. But then I also agree, I was underwhelmed when I drove the C4S, this may sound crazy, but other than less body roll and more pointy front end, performance wise it didn't feel greatly different to the BMW 645 I'm currently driving (apart from being a manual) ! The C2 did feel like more of an event and just felt more special. I am edging more to the 997 C2

Neither car will feel particularly quick by modern standards, they only really shine when you add some bends into the mix. Interesting to read above that C4S is a disappointing drive, in it's day it was EVO's favourite non GT 996. You need to drive both for a decent amount of time to work out which you prefer, either way you don't need the AWD as unless you drive like a prat you won't be doing any heroic sliding in a RWD car, regardless of road conditions/weather.

As someone who considered both recently, I ended up with a 65k 2002 Black/Black C4S, Hartech rebuild plus loads of other work. Basically came down to the looks of the car, arguably the best back end on any 911, the fact they seem to have found a level that I can’t see them getting much lower, I know the C2S supposedly drives better but I prefer the looks of the 4S personally. They are quick enough, pull surprisingly well for 320bhp, especially from 50-100, the handling and braking I describe as a bit blunt, I will improve everything over time as part of a mini restoration, the headlights were the first list and they have made an incredible difference to the front end.

foz01 said: Basically came down to the looks of the car, arguably the best back end on any 911, the fact they seem to have found a level that I can’t see them getting much lower, I know the C2S supposedly drives better but I prefer the looks of the 4S personally. Agree completely! (although the 996 Turbo looks even better). Think this is the first time I've ever had this dilemma. Have always known EXACTLY what car I was buying next. I may have to hedge my bets, buy the 996 C4S for now, keep it a year or so "hope" it doesn't lose much in value, then get a 997 C2. If only I could stretch another £15K for the 996 Turbo they'd be no issue at all!

I had this exact dilemma, preferred the front end and interior of the 997, the rear of the 996 C4S. Luckily I went to a dealer where hey had an example of each, after driving/ sitting in them side by side for me there was no choice it was the 997 by a mile.

Midgster said: Pros - 4 wheel drive as I'm not brave/stupid/talented enough to be sliding a 911 round sideways, Not something you really have to worry about with any non GT 996. Traction is pretty much infinite unless you're in 1st/2nd and it's super slippery.

Chris Stott said: Midgster said: Pros - 4 wheel drive as I'm not brave/stupid/talented enough to be sliding a 911 round sideways, Not something you really have to worry about with any non GT 996. Traction is pretty much infinite unless you're in 1st/2nd and it's super slippery. Or 997 for that matter esp a c2

Absolutely. I drive my 996 pretty hard, and I hardly ever trigger the PSM. They have more than enough grip for the road.

In the wet to be fair i can see how some might prefer 4wd the current GTS is does squirm a bit when you put down even moderate throttle The psm usually will kick in but i can see how some would not find the movement confidence inspiring and a 4wd does have a lot less of that

dvshannow said: In the wet to be fair i can see how some might prefer 4wd the current GTS is does squirm a bit when you put down even moderate throttle The psm usually will kick in but i can see how some would not find the movement confidence inspiring and a 4wd does have a lot less of that 991.2GTS has 450bhp/405lb-ft. A 996 only has 300bhp/258lb-ft (and develops it's lower power/torque much higher in the rev range)... you can pretty much nail it unless the roads are cold and greasy. Only time I've felt my 2WD 996 lacks grip is in the snow... where it's terrifying.

After going looking online I stumbled across this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KLBGVClpX0 A fairly sizeable outlay, would be great to try it first though

Chris Stott said: 991.2GTS has 450bhp/405lb-ft. A 996 only has 300bhp/258lb-ft (and develops it's lower power/torque much higher in the rev range)... you can pretty much nail it unless the roads are cold and greasy. Only time I've felt my 2WD 996 lacks grip is in the snow... where it's terrifying. Driven mine in snow a couple of times & found it OK on PS2's but I have to say I was taking it very easy! Only triggered PSM once in 9yrs of spirited driving & that was entirely my fault & partly deliberate.

Triggered PSM once when had to do emergency swerve on motorway slip road. Caught it beautifully, better than i could. Otherwise I've not been close to losing grip. And I'm fine with that. Its not a car for sliding or even chucking about (not too hard anyway). Got my mx5 turbo for that.

MrJuice said: I adore my 997.1 c2 black on black manual Me, too I adore my 997.1 C2 black on black manual OP, another vote for the 997 C2. Reading your op, I think you already know you want the 997. I get the love for those early C2 996, and what people like CLR and CSR are doing is truly great. But I personally have never been a fan of the C4S. Do any of you remember Clarkson's review of one in an old TG?

skinny said: Its not a car for sliding or even chucking about (not too hard anyway). Got my mx5 turbo for that. I've been doing Autosolos recently in my 996, and there's always loads of MX5s at these things. The Porsche is definitely not ideal but you can slide it about fairly easily. The last one, at Abingdon, in the rain, was particularly fun !

Filibuster said: MrJuice said: I adore my 997.1 c2 black on black manual Me, too I adore my 997.1 C2 black on black manual OP, another vote for the 997 C2. Reading your op, I think you already know you want the 997. I get the love for those early C2 996, and what people like CLR and CSR are doing is truly great. But I personally have never been a fan of the C4S. Do any of you remember Clarkson's review of one in an old TG? No so gonna look it up sure it's entertaining if totally inaccurate However whatever clarkson says the 997 is the more competent more modern and far better looking car

dvshannow said: However whatever clarkson says the 997 is the more competent more modern and far better looking car In your opinion (apart from the modern bit, obviously).

Hope the OP does not consider this 'kidnapping' of the thread, and if so massive apologies. I'm considering starting a search for a 996 C4S and wondered what the collective view is on 'must haves'. I recognise that this is not that common a car, so I'm not trying to spec to the last option on the list. For background I have 996 ownership experience - having dailyed a 996.2 C2 Cab for 16 years now, covering 80,000 miles very happily, entirely without trouble and very inexpensively. Here's what I think I'd want to have on the 'must have' list: - Cabriolet (personal choice) - Manual (personal choice) - Xenons (my 996 has standard headlights and they are frankly terrible. I'm assuming xenons are an improvement) - Cruise (my 996 doesn't have, I think now a 'must have' given 50mph limits on UK motorways) - Non-PCM (as complicated and expensive to fix, easy to add hands-free and digital radio via a phone connection to the single-din units) - IMS/RMS done Welcome views!

Cartan1blue said: Hope the OP does not consider this 'kidnapping' of the thread, and if so massive apologies. I'm considering starting a search for a 996 C4S and wondered what the collective view is on 'must haves'. I recognise that this is not that common a car, so I'm not trying to spec to the last option on the list. For background I have 996 ownership experience - having dailyed a 996.2 C2 Cab for 16 years now, covering 80,000 miles very happily, entirely without trouble and very inexpensively. Here's what I think I'd want to have on the 'must have' list: - Cabriolet (personal choice) - Manual (personal choice) - Xenons (my 996 has standard headlights and they are frankly terrible. I'm assuming xenons are an improvement) - Cruise (my 996 doesn't have, I think now a 'must have' given 50mph limits on UK motorways) - Non-PCM (as complicated and expensive to fix, easy to add hands-free and digital radio via a phone connection to the single-din units) - IMS/RMS done Welcome views! PSE on the 996 4S makes it one of the best sounding Porsches, full stop. And it will set it apart from the car you already own. So I would definitely hold out for that. Cruise control you can easily retrofit. You can replace old PCM units with the new PCCM - expensive but looks original. A specialist replaced the RMS+IMS on my car for just over a grand inc parts and labour, and that included a new clutch. Not really a huge expense by 996 standards so I wouldn't necessarily exclude cars on that basis, just budget accordingly.

Ideally, one with a rebuilt engine (IMS failure seems far less likely than bore scoring on the 3.6’s) and faultless maintenance. I’d say manual and PSE are essential… C4S with PSE is the best sounding non GT 996. Xenons are nice to have as the stock headlights are abysmal. Other than that, get a colour combination you really love.

breakfan said: PSE on the 996 4S makes it one of the best sounding Porsches, full stop. And it will set it apart from the car you already own. So I would definitely hold out for that. Cruise control you can easily retrofit. You can replace old PCM units with the new PCCM - expensive but looks original. A specialist replaced the RMS+IMS on my car for just over a grand inc parts and labour, and that included a new clutch. Not really a huge expense by 996 standards so I wouldn't necessarily exclude cars on that basis, just budget accordingly. Personally I wouldn’t worry about PSE, yes it sounds awesome but at 20yrs old is it going to last much longer? Look to invest in a decent replacement system, not Dansk & you have the same result but longevity thrown in & probably lighter.

PSE is essential Hard back sports seats are nice Litronic headlights Back in the day I was lucky also had x51 on my c4s but never seen another since, so must be very rare…. Metropole blue is a nice interior option as well, better than black IMO. Colour coded centre tunnel also nice. Good luck with the search

Mankers said: PSE is essential Hard back sports seats are nice Litronic headlights Back in the day I was lucky also had x51 on my c4s but never seen another since, so must be very rare…. Metropole blue is a nice interior option as well, better than black IMO. Colour coded centre tunnel also nice. Good luck with the search X51 is seriously rare Headlamps can be changed or modified Personally I think 9x6 seats are absolutely rubbish so I've removed them Therefore I'd say look for a car you like options aside and then retro these afterwards Hopefully this will give you more cars to go after I think nicer cars are getting harder to find unless you're willing to spend spend spend So I'd find a car you can love and then worry about spec after But that's just Me

Metropol blue, with Lapis blue painted centre console, along with blue alcantara sterring wheel and gearknob. Yes 9x6 seats are poor (had sports seats in my 964 and sports plus in my 981, both vastly superior). Edited by mr pg on Monday 7th March 21:07

Midgster said: Well thanks guys, no help what so ever Everything everyone has said here I agree with 100%. I've read all about IMS problems, bore scoring etc and thinks there's risk with either...it's a Porsche so I'm ready for a big repair bill if it happens. Hopefully not. The C4S is telling me it may well be the more sensible buy, depreciation wise, which although isn't an important factor, does come into the equation. I think it has more wow factor to look at and rarer than the C2, which are pretty common. But then I also agree, I was underwhelmed when I drove the C4S, this may sound crazy, but other than less body roll and more pointy front end, performance wise it didn't feel greatly different to the BMW 645 I'm currently driving (apart from being a manual) ! The C2 did feel like more of an event and just felt more special. I am edging more to the 997 C2 Common conundrum! I went for the C4S and adore it, colour plays a part (I found a rare Slate Grey example) but generally they look outstanding and do stand apart visually from the 997 IMO. GT cars and Turbo's aside none of the 996's or 997's will give that seat of your pants feeling like my TVR used to but as an overall proposition they're wonderful cars. If it's of any reassurance mine has 125,000 miles and looks and drives like new, I just upgraded the IMS but the old one was absolutely fine, and it has zero bore scoring, it's just a matter of finding one that's been well cared for as I found a lot had been neglected. Couple of pics to show the colour.

Most people who like the 996 will like the C4S with its wider haunches. But for me the whole 4wd thing defines the C4S. These cars have relatively low power compared to more modern machinery. And with modern sticky tyres you just don't need 4wd on a relatively low powered 911. Once you spend some time looking at a narrow body 996 you start to appreciate some of the smaller more subtle curves.

It's worth remembering that the C4S isn't 4WD in the same way as a Scoobie, Evo etc in that there's no centre-diff, just a viscous coupling (and VC's do tend to fade over time). Official Porsche spec is that it drives c.5% to the front and <40% if the car 'gets into trouble'; the reality as far as most folks can tell or have experienced is that it's essentially a RWD car until you're either really really pushing it (most likely on track) or you hit ice/snow etc. It's a valid point though that there's a lot of grip in those rear tyres for the power (by modern standards), my TVR would spin up in 3rd in the dry, trying to break traction in the 911 is a challenge! If you're a skilled driver and enjoy wagging the tail, adjusting your line with the throttle etc then a C2 with it's narrower rear tyres would certainly be more adjustable. If you're more like me and have more modest levels of driving skill then the C4S gives plenty of punch but in a more 'secure' package (for an older chap with young kids that works for me ).

Chuck21 said: If you're a skilled driver and enjoy wagging the tail, adjusting your line with the throttle etc then a C2 with it's narrower rear tyres would certainly be more adjustable. If you're more like me and have more modest levels of driving skill then the C4S gives plenty of punch but in a more 'secure' package (for an older chap with young kids that works for me ). I have another 996 - I know I know - and it runs the smaller 17 wheels and tyres. For any less beardy Porsche fans that means tiny 205 fronts and then 255 rears. When the tyres were reasonably fresh I could not get the car out of shape ever. So if you can get past the concern about them not looking good enough - size matters - you will find they totally transform the steering feel compared to the 18 setup. So much more communicative and work just fine - as in the car still goes, stops and goes round bends as fast as you would ever want on a road - in my very humble opinion. These are not an option on the C4S I believe as it has massive discs compared to the more humble C2 which shares its brakes with the 986 Boxster. All of which means less rotating mass on the simpler C2. A serious driver might cook these but I have never got close. There are also more tyre choices in the 17 rear size I believe compared to the 285 30 18 rears for the later C2 which are only available in 3 different flavours. So if you want to enjoy the simpler car without traction control on skinny 17 tyres with a bit of tyre wall flexing then the 996 C2 is the only choice.

For fast road driving I found my C4S quite capable and good fun, even dare I say it nimble at times. On track it was another story, felt lardy, and not so tactile, brakes not so good either faaaaade! Power wise (X51) was more than enough on road (I’m in a GT3 these days, which feels way too much for UK roads). I suspect non X51 would be good as well. I’m on a track day in one (C4S) next month so will report back, as it’s been a while. FYI - bought my C4S with 30k miles, 2 owners, every option (PSE, X51, hard back colour coded sports seats, leather everything) from OPC for £23k back in 2011! I guess that picks you up a leggy snotter these days!

Mankers said: For fast road driving I found my C4S quite capable and good fun, even dare I say it nimble at times. On track it was another story, felt lardy, and not so tactile, brakes not so good either faaaaade! Power wise (X51) was more than enough on road (I’m in a GT3 these days, which feels way too much for UK roads). I suspect non X51 would be good as well. I’m on a track day in one (C4S) next month so will report back, as it’s been a while. FYI - bought my C4S with 30k miles, 2 owners, every option (PSE, X51, hard back colour coded sports seats, leather everything) from OPC for £23k back in 2011! I guess that picks you up a leggy snotter these days! X51 virtually impossible to find these days on a 996 unless you're buying the anniversary model with the C4S style front bumper on a narrow bodied car.

Interior shot, colour coded console and seat backs lifts the interior nicely…oh yea and maritime blue seat belts. Body colour - polar silver

Mankers said: Interior shot, colour coded console and seat backs lifts the interior nicely…oh yea and maritime blue seat belts. Body colour - polar silver Good colour - Polar Only very slightly blue - if you ask me - but people like matching with blue bits and pieces.

I saw a silver 996 C4S today out in the wild. Looked very good. It was coming towards me so I had a good look at the front from head on. I found myself thinking damn that's a good looking car and maybe I want one. I had to remind myself I really really dont want 4wd. Maybe maybe one day I'll have one.

Do all 997.1 C2s have PASM or was it option? They all seem to have the damper icon button but some have a sports and sports plus button . I’m confused any help clarifying would be great thank you.

ATM said: Most people who like the 996 will like the C4S with its wider haunches. But for me the whole 4wd thing defines the C4S. These cars have relatively low power compared to more modern machinery. And with modern sticky tyres you just don't need 4wd on a relatively low powered 911. Once you spend some time looking at a narrow body 996 you start to appreciate some of the smaller more subtle curves. If it helps anyone, I’ve had both a 996 C2 and a 996 C4 and being entirely honest the main difference was that the C4 had a smaller space under the bonnet for luggage (due to some additional mechanicals there). No doubt the difference in handling is significant on the track, but in normal road use I personally found them pretty similar.

Slippydiff99 said: Do all 997.1 C2s have PASM or was it option? They all seem to have the damper icon button but some have a sports and sports plus button . I’m confused any help clarifying would be great thank you. PASM was standard on the C2S but you could opt for the sports chassis option which was a much lower setup with standard passive dampers. This might have come with LSD standard but not 100% sure. Having this option would mean no damper icon button. Sports and Sports plus buttons relate to the Sport Chrono option which adds the useless little clock in the centre of the dash. I don't remember Sports plus on my C2S but this was 15 or 16 years ago now. I suspect Sports plus is gen 2 only.

67Dino said: ATM said: Most people who like the 996 will like the C4S with its wider haunches. But for me the whole 4wd thing defines the C4S. These cars have relatively low power compared to more modern machinery. And with modern sticky tyres you just don't need 4wd on a relatively low powered 911. Once you spend some time looking at a narrow body 996 you start to appreciate some of the smaller more subtle curves. If it helps anyone, I’ve had both a 996 C2 and a 996 C4 and being entirely honest the main difference was that the C4 had a smaller space under the bonnet for luggage (due to some additional mechanicals there). No doubt the difference in handling is significant on the track, but in normal road use I personally found them pretty similar. I've never driven a C4 so I'm one of those annoying Internet warriors who talk about something they have never tried. That aside I know with complete certainty that .... only joking. Some people talk about the difference of having a bit of extra weight at the front. This I sort of understand as my 1998 996 - not the one above - was a daily driver for a while and I got to know it well. This was back in the days when people actually drove to work every day - imagine that. One day I loaded up the froot with a big tool chest, trolley track and axle stands. It definitely felt different. There are a couple of C4S knocking about with the FWD removed. Apparently it's quite easy to do but the car will sit higher due to the lighter weight so you need to combine with a change of suspension. I'm curious why people would bother if the difference is so subtle. But then no one can ever understand why some people modify cars. Logic doesn't often come into it.

ATM said: Slippydiff99 said: Do all 997.1 C2s have PASM or was it option? They all seem to have the damper icon button but some have a sports and sports plus button . I’m confused any help clarifying would be great thank you. PASM was standard on the C2S but you could opt for the sports chassis option which was a much lower setup with standard passive dampers. This might have come with LSD standard but not 100% sure. Having this option would mean no damper icon button. Sports and Sports plus buttons relate to the Sport Chrono option which adds the useless little clock in the centre of the dash. I don't remember Sports plus on my C2S but this was 15 or 16 years ago now. I suspect Sports plus is gen 2 only. That’s brilliant thank you. I’ve put a deposit down on a lovely 997.1 C2s just waiting for an inspection. I’m not bothered by the chrono so fingers crossed. I could not believe how well a 2005 car could still look.

Slippydiff99 said: That’s brilliant thank you. I’ve put a deposit down on a lovely 997.1 C2s just waiting for an inspection. I’m not bothered by the chrono so fingers crossed. I could not believe how well a 2005 car could still look. Link?

ATM said: Link? I just found a great car on Auto Trader: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203163... Strong price but the car looks good I’ve just realised that it has the clock which explains my confusion. I think I understand it now, thank you! Edited by Slippydiff99 on Sunday 27th March 11:47 Edited by Slippydiff99 on Sunday 27th March 11:52

Slippydiff99 said: ATM said: Link? I just found a great car on Auto Trader: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203163... Strong price but the car looks good So this looks the same as mine. Spoiler button, Damper icon button and then the Sport button. No Sport plus. Autotrader said: This car comes with Park Distance Control Xenon Lighting System Electric and Heated Door Mirrors Carrera S 19'' Alloy Wheels Electrically Adjustable Comfort Seats Crested Centre Caps PASM Electronic Damper Control Drivers Memory Seat PCM with DVD Navigation Sport Chrono Package Bose Surround Sound System Porsche Crested Front Seats Heated Seats I think the first 6 or 7 are standard. They missed off the multi function wheel which was an option. Do you get any warranty with the purchase?

Yes but I’m waiting for the inspection to negotiate. I doubt it would cover the cost of a full rebuild though. I’ll plan to get the IMS bearing done and fit a low temp thermostat. I’m going into this with my eyes open about bore scoring issues later, I’m fine with that risk as the cat is great.

Thanks for the collective advice. I've bought one (actually not the one I posted, I found a slightly lower mileage one at Sytner Ascot). It's an arctic silver 997.1 C2S coupe, no sunroof with crab claws, my ideal spec. I got a full inspection which revealed a few minor things that they have agreed to fix in the price and reassuringly the cam deviation data suggests that the IMS bearing is fine and no signs of bore scoring (I know that is not a guarantee BTW). I can't believe I'm finally getting a 911, I've wanted one of these for ages!

Slippydiff99 said: Thanks for the collective advice. I've bought one (actually not the one I posted, I found a slightly lower mileage one at Sytner Ascot). It's an arctic silver 997.1 C2S coupe, no sunroof with crab claws, my ideal spec. I got a full inspection which revealed a few minor things that they have agreed to fix in the price and reassuringly the cam deviation data suggests that the IMS bearing is fine and no signs of bore scoring (I know that is not a guarantee BTW). I can't believe I'm finally getting a 911, I've wanted one of these for ages! Link?

ATM said: Slippydiff99 said: Thanks for the collective advice. I've bought one (actually not the one I posted, I found a slightly lower mileage one at Sytner Ascot). It's an arctic silver 997.1 C2S coupe, no sunroof with crab claws, my ideal spec. I got a full inspection which revealed a few minor things that they have agreed to fix in the price and reassuringly the cam deviation data suggests that the IMS bearing is fine and no signs of bore scoring (I know that is not a guarantee BTW). I can't believe I'm finally getting a 911, I've wanted one of these for ages! Link? https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202092315174?atmobcid=soc4 It’s having tyres, discs and pads, a small scuff on one wheel arch done. I’ll get done new ac buttons but apart from that the interior is pristine.

Well done! Lovely car, I hope you'll enjoy it lots. Seems a decent deal as well. Try to see whether they put some Michelin tyres on it as these are always a good option.

Looks great, welcome to the 911 club! Wish you many happy miles in it.

Mankers said: For fast road driving I found my C4S quite capable and good fun, even dare I say it nimble at times. On track it was another story, felt lardy, and not so tactile, brakes not so good either faaaaade! Power wise (X51) was more than enough on road (I’m in a GT3 these days, which feels way too much for UK roads). I suspect non X51 would be good as well. I’m on a track day in one (C4S) next month so will report back, as it’s been a while. FYI - bought my C4S with 30k miles, 2 owners, every option (PSE, X51, hard back colour coded sports seats, leather everything) from OPC for £23k back in 2011! I guess that picks you up a leggy snotter these days! Oh my days. Interesting on the pricing back in 2011

celica88 said: Mankers said: For fast road driving I found my C4S quite capable and good fun, even dare I say it nimble at times. On track it was another story, felt lardy, and not so tactile, brakes not so good either faaaaade! Power wise (X51) was more than enough on road (I’m in a GT3 these days, which feels way too much for UK roads). I suspect non X51 would be good as well. I’m on a track day in one (C4S) next month so will report back, as it’s been a while. FYI - bought my C4S with 30k miles, 2 owners, every option (PSE, X51, hard back colour coded sports seats, leather everything) from OPC for £23k back in 2011! I guess that picks you up a leggy snotter these days! Oh my days. Interesting on the pricing back in 2011 So I did the track day last weekend in my mates 996 C4S. Good fun, but as I remembered, a bit lardy in the corners. Was well planted on the longer corners, but not good when there were multiple changes of direction. Brakes tap out early too. Don’t get me wrong, very confidence inspiring and fun, just not the quickest. For what £25k? These are great fun, and the sound is hard to beat. He had a miltek exhaust fitted.