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So yesterday I dropped by buddy off to pick up his brand new 458 Speciale, a day I knew was looming, and one I was kind of dreading. You see me and my buddy have always been in competition, with similar budgets to spend on toys. When he ordered a 458 Speciale, he had never ordered a brand new Ferrari before, but of course Ferrari gleefully took his order. And as ever I wanted to prove to him that I could do better, and I had already put in a LOI for the new 991 GT3RS in May 2014 to replace my 997.2 GT3RS. But it turns out that its a no, I'm not allowed to order a 991 GT3RS because it seems it was never going to be available to anyone other than Porsches closest pals, so here I am feeling that I've been beaten, and Porsche has been beaten for no reason other than some odd marketing ploy so they can sell more Boxters. There is simply no car in the Porsche range that I can buy that competes with the 458 Speciale. Turbo is fat & lardy, GT3 isn't quick enough (or obtainable) and GT2 doesn't exist So I'm going to go talk to Mclaren, then Lamborghini, as it appears they want to build cars to sell them to people that don't want the Ferrari alternative, but I don't really want either brand. I think its a sad day that Porsche has effectively stopped competing with Ferrari so that it an sell more volume of normo cars

In what sense "compete" with Ferrari? I binned my Speciale order but I love my 991 GT3, a better road car and a knats whisker on track really, for more than 100k less money. The RS is going to be something else. Can't wait. I have no doubt a Speciale is easier to extract its performance than say a CGT but the Porsche is by far the better car, in fact it is the best car on the planet, my absolute miles. The Spec is just the current shiny new toy and the 488 will overshadow it. Ferrari play the tufty club to perfection, more than anybody imo. But good luck with McL and Lambo, they both make wonderful cars. You can't really lose out in this first world problem!

AndrewD - I've just seen your garage. That is one very impressive collection. Something for every occasion.

Oh dear!

I don't get this, you're going to buy a car you don't want just to try and get one up on your mate? Frankly that's about the most bonkers thing I've heard this week and that takes into account the bo!!ocks spouted by all the numpties trying to get into No. 10,

Buy one 2nd hand for double the price! TX.

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SteelySteve said: So yesterday I dropped by buddy off to pick up his brand new 458 Speciale, a day I knew was looming, and one I was kind of dreading. You see me and my buddy have always been in competition, with similar budgets to spend on toys. When he ordered a 458 Speciale, he had never ordered a brand new Ferrari before, but of course Ferrari gleefully took his order. And as ever I wanted to prove to him that I could do better, and I had already put in a LOI for the new 991 GT3RS in May 2014 to replace my 997.2 GT3RS. But it turns out that its a no, I'm not allowed to order a 991 GT3RS because it seems it was never going to be available to anyone other than Porsches closest pals, so here I am feeling that I've been beaten, and Porsche has been beaten for no reason other than some odd marketing ploy so they can sell more Boxters. There is simply no car in the Porsche range that I can buy that competes with the 458 Speciale. Turbo is fat & lardy, GT3 isn't quick enough (or obtainable) and GT2 doesn't exist So I'm going to go talk to Mclaren, then Lamborghini, as it appears they want to build cars to sell them to people that don't want the Ferrari alternative, but I don't really want either brand. I think its a sad day that Porsche has effectively stopped competing with Ferrari so that it an sell more volume of normo cars Should Porsche be forced to build a car for anyone that wants one?

sidicks said: Should Porsche be forced to build a car for anyone that wants one? He originally built one 'for the people'.....

Zyp said: He originally built one 'for the people'..... GT cars have always been limited quantities!

Speak with an alternative dealer and get one " second hand "?

Trev450 said: AndrewD - I've just seen your garage. That is one very impressive collection. Something for every occasion. Thanks Trev. How was your Escort Mexico, lovely cars!

AndrewD said: Trev450 said: AndrewD - I've just seen your garage. That is one very impressive collection. Something for every occasion. Thanks Trev. How was your Escort Mexico, lovely cars! Andrew, you sure you haven't confused 'Fantasy garage' with 'current fleet' Beautiful selection of cars you have

Miopyk said: I don't get this, you're going to buy a car you don't want just to try and get one up on your mate? Frankly that's about the most bonkers thing I've heard this week and that takes into account the bo!!ocks spouted by all the numpties trying to get into No. 10, ^^^ exactly, a very odd post and a very odd friend..????

Dito - everything you have said here happen to me thanks to the OPC in Wales but luckily I already had an order for a speciale as well, which arrived this week, Its amazing, the car and the service - well done Ferrari (they are even winning Grand Prix's now as well) I wouldn't spend another penny at my local OPC after the treatment I received, all the RS's are going to land in the hands of speculator's instead of petrol heads - Watch the Dealer Principle's and their little salesmen and salesgirls beg and crawl for business in a few years time, that's what happened in the 80's ! SteelySteve said: So yesterday I dropped by buddy off to pick up his brand new 458 Speciale, a day I knew was looming, and one I was kind of dreading. You see me and my buddy have always been in competition, with similar budgets to spend on toys. When he ordered a 458 Speciale, he had never ordered a brand new Ferrari before, but of course Ferrari gleefully took his order. And as ever I wanted to prove to him that I could do better, and I had already put in a LOI for the new 991 GT3RS in May 2014 to replace my 997.2 GT3RS. But it turns out that its a no, I'm not allowed to order a 991 GT3RS because it seems it was never going to be available to anyone other than Porsches closest pals, so here I am feeling that I've been beaten, and Porsche has been beaten for no reason other than some odd marketing ploy so they can sell more Boxters. There is simply no car in the Porsche range that I can buy that competes with the 458 Speciale. Turbo is fat & lardy, GT3 isn't quick enough (or obtainable) and GT2 doesn't exist So I'm going to go talk to Mclaren, then Lamborghini, as it appears they want to build cars to sell them to people that don't want the Ferrari alternative, but I don't really want either brand. I think its a sad day that Porsche has effectively stopped competing with Ferrari so that it an sell more volume of normo cars

Mr lord f whatever, give it a rest already. All RS are not going to land up with speculators. I'm not one, I know 8-10 others who are getting cars, they aren't speculators either. It's a car, you didn't get one, life goes on. Enjoy your spaz.

Spend your money on a penis extension.

Worst, "I can't get a 991 GT3 RS and I want one" thread yet. They still won't give you a slot!

amazes me to see that some folks think that Porsche gives a rats arse about whether they will buy a Ferrari instead of a sold out RS

Wasn't it Enzo Ferrari who said "You should always build one less car than the market demands"? Maybe the Speciale just isn't speciale enough, and the 991 GT3RS is!

LordOfTheManor said: Dito - everything you have said here happen to me thanks to the OPC in Wales but luckily I already had an order for a speciale as well, which arrived this week, Its amazing, the car and the service - well done Ferrari (they are even winning Grand Prix's now as well) I wouldn't spend another penny at my local OPC after the treatment I received, all the RS's are going to land in the hands of speculator's instead of petrol heads - Watch the Dealer Principle's and their little salesmen and salesgirls beg and crawl for business in a few years time, that's what happened in the 80's ! So in the last few months you have taken delivery of a 458 Speciale and a Bentley GT3 R. Presumably you still own them both and maybe a few other quality cars besides. Most of the guys on here who are in such a fortunate position would show a little more humility and perhaps be a bit more circumspect in their comments about not being allocated a GT3RS. It happens - you can't always have everything you want. Having started quite well, you have come over on this forum like a spoiled child. Your behaviour leaves an impression that you don't know the value of much if you continue to moan about not being allocated the RS when you have been blessed with an impressive array of other fantastic cars. With your apparent wealth and the desire to own the car, wouldn't you be better to just pay the small premium and buy one from the speculators?

Are you guys really seeking some sort of sympathy? There, there, did the big car man not let you have the fast car? Guys, seriously, get a grip!

SteelySteve said: So yesterday I dropped by buddy off to pick up his brand new 458 Speciale, a day I knew was looming, and one I was kind of dreading. You see me and my buddy have always been in competition, with similar budgets to spend on toys. When he ordered a 458 Speciale, he had never ordered a brand new Ferrari before, but of course Ferrari gleefully took his order. And as ever I wanted to prove to him that I could do better, and I had already put in a LOI for the new 991 GT3RS in May 2014 to replace my 997.2 GT3RS. But it turns out that its a no, I'm not allowed to order a 991 GT3RS because it seems it was never going to be available to anyone other than Porsches closest pals, so here I am feeling that I've been beaten, and Porsche has been beaten for no reason other than some odd marketing ploy so they can sell more Boxters. There is simply no car in the Porsche range that I can buy that competes with the 458 Speciale. Turbo is fat & lardy, GT3 isn't quick enough (or obtainable) and GT2 doesn't exist So I'm going to go talk to Mclaren, then Lamborghini, as it appears they want to build cars to sell them to people that don't want the Ferrari alternative, but I don't really want either brand. I think its a sad day that Porsche has effectively stopped competing with Ferrari so that it an sell more volume of normo cars Just requoting this to ensure the OP doesn't have a change of heart to delete/edit the original post when/if he actually re-reads his post and has a think about how it makes him come across...... Amazing some stuff people post....

isaldiri said: SteelySteve said: So yesterday I dropped by buddy off to pick up his brand new 458 Speciale, a day I knew was looming, and one I was kind of dreading. You see me and my buddy have always been in competition, with similar budgets to spend on toys. When he ordered a 458 Speciale, he had never ordered a brand new Ferrari before, but of course Ferrari gleefully took his order. And as ever I wanted to prove to him that I could do better, and I had already put in a LOI for the new 991 GT3RS in May 2014 to replace my 997.2 GT3RS. But it turns out that its a no, I'm not allowed to order a 991 GT3RS because it seems it was never going to be available to anyone other than Porsches closest pals, so here I am feeling that I've been beaten, and Porsche has been beaten for no reason other than some odd marketing ploy so they can sell more Boxters. There is simply no car in the Porsche range that I can buy that competes with the 458 Speciale. Turbo is fat & lardy, GT3 isn't quick enough (or obtainable) and GT2 doesn't exist So I'm going to go talk to Mclaren, then Lamborghini, as it appears they want to build cars to sell them to people that don't want the Ferrari alternative, but I don't really want either brand. I think its a sad day that Porsche has effectively stopped competing with Ferrari so that it an sell more volume of normo cars Just requoting this to ensure the OP doesn't have a change of heart to delete/edit the original post when/if he actually re-reads his post and has a think about how it makes him come across...... Amazing some stuff people post.... Give half the money you intend to spend on a new car to 'beat' your 'buddy' to charity. Spend the other half on therapy. Seriously.

AndrewD said: Trev450 said: AndrewD - I've just seen your garage. That is one very impressive collection. Something for every occasion. Thanks Trev. How was your Escort Mexico, lovely cars! It was the first car I used for rallying. Lovely balance - you could just approach a corner and throw it in.

OP, you and your friend come across as pretentious prats. Are you serious?? I don't wish to cause offence, but for heaven's sake....

pete.g said: isaldiri said: SteelySteve said: So yesterday I dropped by buddy off to pick up his brand new 458 Speciale, a day I knew was looming, and one I was kind of dreading. You see me and my buddy have always been in competition, with similar budgets to spend on toys. When he ordered a 458 Speciale, he had never ordered a brand new Ferrari before, but of course Ferrari gleefully took his order. And as ever I wanted to prove to him that I could do better, and I had already put in a LOI for the new 991 GT3RS in May 2014 to replace my 997.2 GT3RS. But it turns out that its a no, I'm not allowed to order a 991 GT3RS because it seems it was never going to be available to anyone other than Porsches closest pals, so here I am feeling that I've been beaten, and Porsche has been beaten for no reason other than some odd marketing ploy so they can sell more Boxters. There is simply no car in the Porsche range that I can buy that competes with the 458 Speciale. Turbo is fat & lardy, GT3 isn't quick enough (or obtainable) and GT2 doesn't exist So I'm going to go talk to Mclaren, then Lamborghini, as it appears they want to build cars to sell them to people that don't want the Ferrari alternative, but I don't really want either brand. I think its a sad day that Porsche has effectively stopped competing with Ferrari so that it an sell more volume of normo cars Just requoting this to ensure the OP doesn't have a change of heart to delete/edit the original post when/if he actually re-reads his post and has a think about how it makes him come across...... Amazing some stuff people post.... Give half the money you intend to spend on a new car to 'beat' your 'buddy' to charity. Spend the other half on therapy. Seriously. I reckon they will allocate the RS cars to genuine Porsche enthusiasts who can spell "Boxster".

I don't see the big deal, what I'm pointing out is that Porsche haven't launched a competitor to the Speciale that the general public can buy. They should have priced it at £200K and let it find its natural place in the market. If I recall correctly the 997.2 GT3 and 997.2GT3 RS were on the porsche configurators for a long time, and available to anyone that had the resources to buy them. PS - I had 2 Boxsters and loved em

[quote=AndrewD] The Spec is just the current shiny new toy and the 488 will overshadow it. quote] Can you not say that about the next 99(whatever)that comes along?