Opinion: Cause For Alarm?

I had a range report run on my CPO'd 08 Cayman. Around 300 operating hours ago, so well before I bought the car (and more importantly) well before it was CPO'd. R1 - Many R2 - Not as many R3 - 1237 R4 - 303 R5 - 60 R6- 0 Is this cause for concern? We're talking about a second on the R4 and less than a 10th on the R5.

My opinion, is that since the dealer and Porsche NA had this info as well, if it was cause for alarm, they would not have CPO'd it and slapped a 2 yr warranty on it.

I would tend to agree. Only the dealer knows though. PCNA leaves it up to the authorized dealers to run the CPO checklist. I guess if they pass a car that shouldn't have been passed, PCNA puts it back on the dealer to cover the costs.

Was curious about this scenario when I was looking (also bought an 08 CPO ). They didn't check mine, but also didn't seem concerned. I had it written up as part of the sale that it had to come back clean or I could back out, and had the dealer here check it. The dealer here also said it wasn't so much if it had over-revs, but how long ago they had occurred. That said, there have been a few people here with over revs well in the past that Porsche pinned a failure on, so that goes either way apparently. Since your occurred well before you got it, and well before it was certified, they would be in a really awkward position to give you any grief if there was a problem, as it would pretty much be them saying the whole CPO process is a sham I wouldn't worry, and would drive around loving it like I am

I've seen several CPO'd cars with ignitions in ranges 5 & 6. IMHO after 6 months of searching for a Cayman, CPO doesn't given you any indication as to the condition of the vehicle whatsoever. I consider CPO to be a warranty, not a pre-purchase inspection.

It's true. The car has given me no problems and I love driving it. Sometimes it's hard to just back up and look at something and say, "Yeah. This is good."

This general question has puzzled me ever since I read an earlier thread in which (as I recall) a potential buyer expressed concern over a Porsche dealer's used Cayman that had ignitions in ranges 4 and 5. I may be confounding several similar threads in my mind, but I think he said that the dealer offered to CPO the car for a price ($2000 maybe). Anyway, one or two others in the thread indicated that they had bought CPO Caymans from dealers with ignitions in those higher ranges, but none in range 6. On the other side of the over-revs coin, I recall several posts claiming that dealers had refused their engine repairs under warranty due to similar over-rev histories. I'm not convinced that the passage of several hundred operating hours since the over-revs necessarily means that related engine problems won't ever occur, but, if they do, they should be covered by the CPO contract.

Should? Should be covered? Nope, there are instances where the CPO didn't cover an engine problem that Porsche pointed the finger at over-revs and those occurred before the car was CPO'd. I would politely ask your dealer to put in writing that during the 2 years of the CPO that all engine issues will be covered and that no prior pre-existing over-revs will be cause for disclaimer. (New over revs of course would be). If they aren't willing to stipulate to that in writing then your CPO warranty isn't worth the paper its written on. Sure the dealer may tell you "don't worry, we'll take care of you" but just wait until your #6 rod fails or your bearing spins and watch how quickly their story changes when HQ won't foot the bill. Get it in writing!

I know how that 1 second over rev happened. It is a mis-shift, and it happened during acceleration after a light. Only time I have ever mis-shifted in my life, I can't speak for CPO or warranty, but mis-shifts happen. That is really the only way you can get in that range short of removing the rev limiter. I had forgotten about that incident and this reminded me of it.

Will a Durametric Sport cable show the "range report?" TIA

I'm not sure I buy this. What is the point of getting a warranty that covers everything, if Porsche is going to ding you retroactively? Doesn't sound like it would hold up too well in court either. They warranty is pretty black and white. If the car is not abused (by the current owner) it's covered. Also doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for a dealer to screw someone over on a pretty low margin sale like a used Cayman which is probably happening early in their P car careers. These guys look to build relationships, doesn't make a lot of sense.

Aww Abed.. wasn't meant as a call out or anything like it. I have no worries about how you treated the car. I've just been wondering how this would work out in the event something happened and PCNA says, "Uhhh.. No." So far, Park Place has been pretty darn good to me and hasn't given me any cause for worry. In fact, when I went to pick it up today from having the seat base replaced, I noticed a ding in the rear bumper right on the ridge that runs under the tail light. I pointed it out to them and they immediately put me back in the loan car and said they would get it taken care of. If you guys read this.. Thank You Kevin and Justin @ Park Place Service. :cheers:

My engine blew due to failed connecting rod bolt at the 612 hour mark with range 5 over-revs at 337 hours and range 4 over-revs at 610. Your over-rev count is similar to mine and the post-mortem on my car was that it was only a matter of time before it failed. Since Porsche won't warranty an engine with range 4 or above over-revs, I'm not sure how they could legitimately CPO your car. Make sure you have all of your documentation in order. Here's my over-rev report: Number of ignitions range 1 39874 / 612h Number of ignitions range 2 4201 / 611h Number of ignitions range 3 779 / 610h Number of ignitions range 4 240 / 610h Number of ignitions range 5 33 / 337h Number of ignitions range 6 0 / 0h

Another factor that has yet to be raised in this thread is the diminshed value of your car due to previously undisclosed over-revs. It's likely that when you attempt to sell or trade your car, it will be worth less to the new buyer. For that reason alone, I think your dealer owes you an explanation and some written assurances. The very nice customer service people at PCNA would probably be quite interested in hearing about a dealer who provided a CPO warranty (where PCNA bears the risk) on a car with over-revs into range 5.

I guess the main thing here is to find out if Park Place will stand behind the car should any issues occur with the engine. If they will not, then I should have the money I spent for the CPO refunded to me, at the very least. Given that I do not track the car, nor race every insecure muppet that may line up next to me, I hope I have little to worry about. The engine sounds smooth as silk at any speed. The car is bought and it is in my garage. I'll just have to talk to them and see what happens.