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Hi all Just getting an up to date feel for the current market. I may be looking for a Porsche 996 Turbo I have a budget of £37k Has to be manual, dark leather interior, with full checkable service history. If the budget won’t get me “the car” I may consider a C4s or 997 C4s but either if these has to have had an engine rebuild by a reputable “ Prefer Hartech” engine specialist.

You are in the wrong forum to get maximum responses and I think £10k short.

With that budget I'd personally be looking at a 997 4s but it's up to you of course

Don't worry about the interior colour, it can be changed if need be, everything just bolts out easily. Go by condition.

trickywoo said: You are in the wrong forum to get maximum responses and I think £10k short. Wow, I remember rough cars as low as £25k. Probably not what you have in mind, to be fair. Very accomplished, I think of them as the GTR of an earlier generation (parking any badge snobbery). A friend had one years ago and he let me drive it for a couple of miles. Very sedate, it was under third party cover so I wasn’t exactly going Chris Harris in it. I can’t actually remember the drive, but I do recall always being pinned back in the seat when he was driving. Non X50 car running standard boost, I’d imagine an X50 car with a boost upgrade would be very quick.

My last post got deleted as it was apparently advertising (although I didn't link to anything ) "f the budget won’t get me “the car” I may consider a C4s or 997 C4s but either if these has to have had an engine rebuild by a reputable “ Prefer Hartech” engine specialist." There are other options akin to your alternative requirements in the classifieds - happy to advise further via PM Dan

On PH alone there are seven 996 Turbos for sale at 40k or less. Just saying.

Tommie38 said: trickywoo said: You are in the wrong forum to get maximum responses and I think £10k short. Wow, I remember rough cars as low as £25k. Probably not what you have in mind, to be fair. Very accomplished, I think of them as the GTR of an earlier generation (parking any badge snobbery). A friend had one years ago and he let me drive it for a couple of miles. Very sedate, it was under third party cover so I wasn’t exactly going Chris Harris in it. I can’t actually remember the drive, but I do recall always being pinned back in the seat when he was driving. Non X50 car running standard boost, I’d imagine an X50 car with a boost upgrade would be very quick. I don't get the X50 thing. The turbo tech in these cars is pretty ancient. A standard car with billet wheel turbos, injectors and intercooler is a much better option.

Superb cars. Very tuneable too. Have at least two of everything that's expensive to run; turbos, actuators, wastegates, intercoolers etc. so read the bills and check everything's been service. Then get a good PPI. North of England, get it to Sports 7 Classic. South, get it to 9e if you can.

Fink-Nottle said: On PH alone there are seven 996 Turbos for sale at 40k or less. Just saying. Only two are manuals. Just saying.

bow4444 said: Hi all Just getting an up to date feel for the current market. I may be looking for a Porsche 996 Turbo I have a budget of £37k Has to be manual, dark leather interior, with full checkable service history. If the budget won’t get me “the car” I may consider a C4s or 997 C4s but either if these has to have had an engine rebuild by a reputable “ Prefer Hartech” engine specialist. A Hartech rebuild is likely to be north of 15k ? Not sure with a full rebuild you’d be likely to get a 996 TT unless it has absolutely galactic Mileage for 37k Also bear in mind you might buy a car for 37k but take it to someone like 9 Excellence & you might be presented with an 8k bill for all the neglected bits . It’s easily done . I’d say for a decent car that been well cared for you should be looking at 45k or it all becomes somewhat of a false economy

Crikey, looks like these are finally going up in price! About time too, might get some of my money back

GT3Manthey said: Also bear in mind you might buy a car for 37k but take it to someone like 9 Excellence & you might be presented with an 8k bill for all the neglected bits . It’s easily done . More than £8k if gearbox is f ked. These cars, even untuned, have tremendous torque and can be heavy on 'boxes. The core engine is very strong and in the turbo tune, not over-stressed with revs. What can be costly is all the turbo consumables. Plus, as with any older 996/7 they need fuel lines, coolant hoses and brake pipes checking/replacing.

Digga said: More than £8k if gearbox is f ked. These cars, even untuned, have tremendous torque and can be heavy on 'boxes. The core engine is very strong and in the turbo tune, not over-stressed with revs. What can be costly is all the turbo consumables. Plus, as with any older 996/7 they need fuel lines, coolant hoses and brake pipes checking/replacing. I was trying to be slightly diplomatic but yes 8k can be 15k if you’re not careful . My 996 4S was fully rebuild back in 2012 and the bill was 13k then . Gotta be 18/20 now I’m assuming ? These can be money pits if you’re not careful

GT3Manthey said: Digga said: More than £8k if gearbox is f ked. These cars, even untuned, have tremendous torque and can be heavy on 'boxes. The core engine is very strong and in the turbo tune, not over-stressed with revs. What can be costly is all the turbo consumables. Plus, as with any older 996/7 they need fuel lines, coolant hoses and brake pipes checking/replacing. I was trying to be slightly diplomatic but yes 8k can be 15k if you’re not careful . My 996 4S was fully rebuild back in 2012 and the bill was 13k then . Gotta be 18/20 now I’m assuming ? These can be money pits if you’re not careful My 996 turbo gearbox rebuild was about £7k in 2014. A selection of the culprits:

trickywoo said: Only two are manuals. Just saying. So grab one. Just saying.

Digga said: GT3Manthey said: Also bear in mind you might buy a car for 37k but take it to someone like 9 Excellence & you might be presented with an 8k bill for all the neglected bits . It’s easily done . More than £8k if gearbox is f ked. These cars, even untuned, have tremendous torque and can be heavy on 'boxes. The core engine is very strong and in the turbo tune, not over-stressed with revs. What can be costly is all the turbo consumables. Plus, as with any older 996/7 they need fuel lines, coolant hoses and brake pipes checking/replacing. Not completely bullet proof though!

This one coming up https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2002-porsche-9...

As others have said the engine itself on the whole is pretty good as it should considering what’s it was based on…..but these cars are getting on now and yes the list of ancillary items already mentioned are expensive to buy and time consuming to replace…..I would also add to it heat shields….difficult to access pipe work ……front diffs……clutch issues….. The much vaunted German engineering and quality really wasn’t in these cars IMO …..I did enjoy mine … do I miss it no…. Some pictures of mine from a few years ago pretty much in the spec the OP has mentioned

Big Rat said: As others have said the engine itself on the whole is pretty good as it should considering what’s it was based on…..but these cars are getting on now and yes the list of ancillary items already mentioned are expensive to buy and time consuming to replace…..I would also add to it heat shields….difficult to access pipe work ……front diffs……clutch issues….. The much vaunted German engineering and quality really wasn’t in these cars IMO …..I did enjoy mine … do I miss it no…. Some pictures of mine from a few years ago pretty much in the spec the OP has mentioned Looks like ceramics too ?

GT3Manthey said: Looks like ceramics too ? GT3Manthey She was a well specced car from new ……not by me I was given to understand that a well known TT bike racer had it first and used to use her on the island when the roads were closed….bet that was epic

Big Rat said: The much vaunted German engineering and quality really wasn’t in these cars IMO Wow, couldn't agree less. One of the most reliable cars I have ever owned (and I had mine 8.5 years). In that time above and beyond servicing: - Clutch accumulator - Front rads (didn't fit mesh until too late) - Alternator failure - Acc pedal sensor - Turbo waste gates - Rear control arms (basically a consumable on any car) Servicing was cheaper than an E46 M3, and even when parts did fail (as per above) they were DIYable or relatively cheap considering the 'supercar' level of performance. Miss mine dearly. No doubt if gearboxes or engines do implode (which is incredibly rare) you can be faced with mega bills, but its a 20+ 911 Turbo so what do you expect? The only place I felt the quality wasn't quite there is the internal switchgear and dash panels. Edited by shantybeater on Tuesday 15th March 01:19

Big Rat said: GT3Manthey She was a well specced car from new ……not by me I was given to understand that a well known TT bike racer had it first and used to use her on the island when the roads were closed….bet that was epic There is never a speed limit on the mountain section and likely much less busy than in TT week. They don’t let cars out on a closed course without very good reason.

These cars were always overshadowed by the GT2 & 3 cars. I always say, if the 996 turbo had been made by another, separate manufacturer, people would have raved about them, rather than casting them as some sort of grand tourer they would be recognised as a sports car with, what was then, supercar performance.

trickywoo said: There is never a speed limit on the mountain section and likely much less busy than in TT week. They don’t let cars out on a closed course without very good reason. Have no knowledge of the TT bikes and event itself, bikes have never been my bag…..can’t dismiss the sheer drama and excitement of it all though….

shantybeater said: Wow, couldn't agree less. One of the most reliable cars I have ever owned (and I had mine 8.5 years). In that time above and beyond servicing: - Clutch accumulator - Front rads (didn't fit mesh until too late) - Alternator failure - Acc pedal sensor - Turbo waste gates - Rear control arms (basically a consumable on any car) Servicing was cheaper than an E46 M3, and even when parts did fail (as per above) they were DIYable or relatively cheap considering the 'supercar' level of performance. Miss mine dearly. No doubt if gearboxes or engines do implode (which is incredibly rare) you can be faced with mega bills, but its a 20+ 911 Turbo so what do you expect? The only place I felt the quality wasn't quite there is the internal switchgear and dash panels. Edited by shantybeater on Tuesday 15th March 01:19 I mentioned the age of cars now but if you add other posters lists of items …..and mine…..and yours….. plus more like front top mounts…water reservoir……oil leaks yes I accept some of these parts are relatively inexpensive and maybe you are handy with the spanner’s But if you have to pay due to the configuration of these cars for those inaccessible problems it really mounts up…I’m in a financial position to have things sorted you may be to and I’m pleased yours was a better one , I was just trying to point out to the OP some of the issues these cars can have as having regard to his budget he needs to be cautious……..

Big Rat said: shantybeater said: Wow, couldn't agree less. One of the most reliable cars I have ever owned (and I had mine 8.5 years). In that time above and beyond servicing: - Clutch accumulator - Front rads (didn't fit mesh until too late) - Alternator failure - Acc pedal sensor - Turbo waste gates - Rear control arms (basically a consumable on any car) Servicing was cheaper than an E46 M3, and even when parts did fail (as per above) they were DIYable or relatively cheap considering the 'supercar' level of performance. Miss mine dearly. No doubt if gearboxes or engines do implode (which is incredibly rare) you can be faced with mega bills, but its a 20+ 911 Turbo so what do you expect? The only place I felt the quality wasn't quite there is the internal switchgear and dash panels. Edited by shantybeater on Tuesday 15th March 01:19 I mentioned the age of cars now but if you add other posters lists of items …..and mine…..and yours….. plus more like front top mounts…water reservoir……oil leaks yes I accept some of these parts are relatively inexpensive and maybe you are handy with the spanner’s But if you have to pay due to the configuration of these cars for those inaccessible problems it really mounts up…I’m in a financial position to have things sorted you may be to and I’m pleased yours was a better one , I was just trying to point out to the OP some of the issues these cars can have as having regard to his budget he needs to be cautious…….. Check the power steering hoses and hard lines. The hard lines rust and the ally hose ends corrode. The fittings weld themselves in to the rack so very hard to change out! Over 2k to replace the PS hose! It routes up all the way round the arch , so need to drop the entire sub frame, it's always the expensive one too. Under the rear arches is a seam self which attracts corrosion, as does the top of the gearbox tunnel. Interior can be upgraded, most are full of cheap plastic trims, even the extended leather package isn't a lot.

jimPH said: Check the power steering hoses and hard lines. The hard lines rust and the ally hose ends corrode. The fittings weld themselves in to the rack so very hard to change out! Over 2k to replace the PS hose! It routes up all the way round the arch , so need to drop the entire sub frame, it's always the expensive one too. Under the rear arches is a seam self which attracts corrosion, as does the top of the gearbox tunnel. Interior can be upgraded, most are full of cheap plastic trims, even the extended leather package isn't a lot. JimPH You beat me to it as regards the hoses, I watched Friendsgreenporsche on YouTube carrying out this work amongst other stuff on a 996 turbo interesting stuff on their site as regards work on this era of cars not just the turbo’s……

Bought my first in 2014. Bought another in 2016. Ran them side by side. Finally sold the first one in 2020. Just got the one now lol. I've had the exhaust and both turbos plus associated pipe work replaced last month. Probably cost me upwards of 5k and that was buying second hand turbos then getting them reconditioned. Exhaust was from Top Gear so also a big saving over OEM. As were the sport cats. With the exception of a speed sensor failure necessitating a new conductor plate on the gearbox the car has been pretty flawless. Tip gearbox though. So zero over revs. And almost zero chance of me fooking up the engine. Cant comment on a manual but the tip stays on full boost at WOT and suits the power of the car. Buy one now. Stupidly underpriced for the last decade! Very well suited to UK roads with a decent 4 wheel drive system to cope with crap weather and crap roads etc.

andyvvc said: Bought my first in 2014. Bought another in 2016. Ran them side by side. Finally sold the first one in 2020. Just got the one now lol. I've had the exhaust and both turbos plus associated pipe work replaced last month. Probably cost me upwards of 5k and that was buying second hand turbos then getting them reconditioned. Exhaust was from Top Gear so also a big saving over OEM. As were the sport cats. With the exception of a speed sensor failure necessitating a new conductor plate on the gearbox the car has been pretty flawless. Tip gearbox though. So zero over revs. And almost zero chance of me fooking up the engine. Cant comment on a manual but the tip stays on full boost at WOT and suits the power of the car. Buy one now. Stupidly underpriced for the last decade! Very well suited to UK roads with a decent 4 wheel drive system to cope with crap weather and crap roads etc. Not sure about the 996 AWD viscous coupling being decent, but you can swap it out for the 997 clutch operated unit, straight swap.

I hope the OP is reading this just to get a perspective on what might need to be spent on these cars . I recently bought a 996 C2 on CC’s. Last owner spent 6k in the last year and today I’ve had the handbrake shoes friction material and springs replaced. The car is now sorted but I still expect to spend at least £1000/£1500 a year without any major issues keeping on top of it . Hope all the comments help the OP evaluate what he ideally needs to spend in order to get a decent car

Thank you all so much. I’m new to Pistonheads forums and wondered if I’d get any replies. I’ve seen a couple of cars under budget with many of these parts replaced and good history. But maybe I’d be worried about a £10k engine/box fail. A couple of thousand every year isn’t a problem if using day to day. Yes I could get a good C4s with my money but without a rebuild and upgrades then it’s potentially a ticking time bomb. Maybe just buy an Audi if I want reliable !! 🤔

bow4444 said: Thank you all so much. I’m new to Pistonheads forums and wondered if I’d get any replies. I’ve seen a couple of cars under budget with many of these parts replaced and good history. But maybe I’d be worried about a £10k engine/box fail. A couple of thousand every year isn’t a problem if using day to day. Yes I could get a good C4s with my money but without a rebuild and upgrades then it’s potentially a ticking time bomb. Maybe just buy an Audi if I want reliable !! ?? Good luck with your search fella

bow4444 said: Thank you all so much. I’m new to Pistonheads forums and wondered if I’d get any replies. I’ve seen a couple of cars under budget with many of these parts replaced and good history. But maybe I’d be worried about a £10k engine/box fail. A couple of thousand every year isn’t a problem if using day to day. Yes I could get a good C4s with my money but without a rebuild and upgrades then it’s potentially a ticking time bomb. Maybe just buy an Audi if I want reliable !! ?? You might find a good C4S ( 996) for your budget with a rebuild but also be mindful as to who’s done the work . Good luck

bow4444 said: Thank you all so much. I’m new to Pistonheads forums and wondered if I’d get any replies. I’ve seen a couple of cars under budget with many of these parts replaced and good history. But maybe I’d be worried about a £10k engine/box fail. A couple of thousand every year isn’t a problem if using day to day. Yes I could get a good C4s with my money but without a rebuild and upgrades then it’s potentially a ticking time bomb. Maybe just buy an Audi if I want reliable !! ?? I personally wouldn’t put gearbox and engine on the ‘worry’ list. Yes these cars are old and will require maintenance, and of course big bills can come up. Make sure you get a car well inspected so you have a good starting point. I still think they are pretty damn reliable compared to other performance cars of a similar era. For example - E46 M3. Very common issues: Rear subframe failure, rust, head gasket failure, rod bearing failure, VANOS..etc… Edited by shantybeater on Wednesday 16th March 00:33

This car is the best I could find within budget https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108276...

People won't like this but at this price point a v8 gaited manual r8 may be a good shout and they look like a supercar!

I’m always happy to put my head above the parapet and suggest alternative manufacturers as well and for that at price point if the OP could find a couple of grand more an Aston Martin V8 4.3 Vantage would get my money ……you’d get one from a specialist dealer low mileage full Aston service history

Sorry guys. The R8 and definitely any Aston are just not my thing. If not a 996 then it’ll be a RS4 Avant I think.

Bow444 Don’t know if you’ve seen this Rs4 Avant it’s at a Porsche specialist near me I’ve bought a few cars from them over the years all been good cars 911gt3/ Boxsters and so on Ian Cameron runs it , the site is called Cameron Sports Cars . The Rs is listed in there specialist car section……Put your sunglasses on if you do go when you look at the interior of the Silver 996 Turbo they have in stock Edited by Big Rat on Wednesday 16th March 09:35

shantybeater said: Wow, couldn't agree less. One of the most reliable cars I have ever owned (and I had mine 8.5 years). In that time above and beyond servicing: - Clutch accumulator - Front rads (didn't fit mesh until too late) - Alternator failure - Acc pedal sensor - Turbo waste gates - Rear control arms (basically a consumable on any car) Servicing was cheaper than an E46 M3, and even when parts did fail (as per above) they were DIYable or relatively cheap considering the 'supercar' level of performance. Miss mine dearly. No doubt if gearboxes or engines do implode (which is incredibly rare) you can be faced with mega bills, but its a 20+ 911 Turbo so what do you expect? The only place I felt the quality wasn't quite there is the internal switchgear and dash panels. Edited by shantybeater on Tuesday 15th March 01:19 Same here! I drove mine with 590bhp both on track and commuting a total of 80k miles. Let me down once, clutch slave cylinder. The front diff was noisy and i didnt even realise until the OPC called me to say its covered under warranty so they will replace it whilst its being serviced. I couldnt believe it didnt break considering what i put it through! Fabulous thing. But it needs servicing properly, if the owner scrimps and saves it all adds up and will hurt the new owner. Some of the maintenance I had done on mine included clutch, discs, rads, heat shields and actuators. All part of the maintenance programme imo.

the c4s and base 997 models are nothing like the turbo which feels geuinely really quick and is a weapon on the road

Digga said: These cars were always overshadowed by the GT2 & 3 cars. I always say, if the 996 turbo had been made by another, separate manufacturer, people would have raved about them, rather than casting them as some sort of grand tourer they would be recognised as a sports car with, what was then, supercar performance. Overshadowed how? In terms of financial appreciation I agree its not propsered nearly as much, but if we are talking about the appreciation or recognition it got during its life cycle versus gt2/3 then absolutely not ! the GT2 was universally criticised at launch for its set up and not really knowing what it was supposed to be (road car or track car) and the GT3 was frankly rubbish on the road by comparison whilst more exciting on track (tho the turbo was as quick as the gt3 at the ring - in fact faster if on same tyres and optimum spec) The 996tt won pretty much every journo accolade / car of the year test possible during its time, obliterated its contemporary Ferrari V8 rival and was the benchmark supercar for the new Gallardo which was launched towards the end of its life. It wasn't overshadowed by anything during its production run thats for sure.

More recently, people have forgotten, a little, how well received it was (as you say) in it's day. They are also not a sports car, but do a far, far better job of being one than many contemporary, heavy, underbraked 'sports' cars (some BMW M cars spring to mind here), despite being 20 years old. Loved mine.

Digga said: More recently, people have forgotten, a little, how well received it was (as you say) in it's day. They are also not a sports car, but do a far, far better job of being one than many contemporary, heavy, underbraked 'sports' cars (some BMW M cars spring to mind here), despite being 20 years old. Loved mine. I agree great cars..had mine remapped by DMS..it flew..of all the cars ive owned the most accomplished safe/fast car ive had..C4S by comparison was a dull and slow and the GT3 fun but on a cross country hack i know which i would choose..got cheap a while back as deemed to be a bit ugly compared to 993/997 but now a bit of a performance bargain in my view.

Digga said: More recently, people have forgotten, a little, how well received it was (as you say) in it's day. They are also not a sports car, but do a far, far better job of being one than many contemporary, heavy, underbraked 'sports' cars (some BMW M cars spring to mind here), despite being 20 years old. Loved mine. Quite agree

Digga said: More recently, people have forgotten, a little, how well received it was (as you say) in it's day. They are also not a sports car, but do a far, far better job of being one than many contemporary, heavy, underbraked 'sports' cars (some BMW M cars spring to mind here), despite being 20 years old. Loved mine. That's so funny - that's exactly the uphill section on the 'ring I would LOVE to do in my 996TT - my DC2 ITR and even my E34 M5 just didn't have the grunt there. The 996TT is at it's most impressive when faced with a savage incline, I am blessed to have one between the house and our caravan park in Argyll, I can never wait to drive it!

Throw on a set of modern turbos, intercoolers, sports exhaust and a modern set of dampers and cup 2 rubber on a 996 turbo not much can live with its real world performance. Tyres, turbos, damping and intercooler tech has really moved on. The drive train very strong.

Desert Dragon said: Throw on a set of modern turbos, intercoolers, sports exhaust and a modern set of dampers and cup 2 rubber on a 996 turbo not much can live with its real world performance. Tyres, turbos, damping and intercooler tech has really moved on. The drive train very strong. That's what I did. It became a great all-rounder.

LeakUpTest said: Desert Dragon said: Throw on a set of modern turbos, intercoolers, sports exhaust and a modern set of dampers and cup 2 rubber on a 996 turbo not much can live with its real world performance. Tyres, turbos, damping and intercooler tech has really moved on. The drive train very strong. That's what I did. It became a great all-rounder. Over 1.5bar will lift the heads, standard head bolts are a weak point. I've gone 12mm headbolts and 4.0L, 997 GT2 gearbox, syvecs, etc. Syvecs can remap the variocam and make significant gains too. Its also much needed to stop the standard traction control closing the throttle with new turbos.

Have any of you thought about adding a 4.0 GT3 crankshaft and GT3 top end? The GT1 more similar to the 996 turbo engine with 6750rpm red line not GT3 mezger with couple of turbos bolted on if I recall?

Desert Dragon said: Have any of you thought about adding a 4.0 GT3 crankshaft and GT3 top end? The GT1 more similar to the 996 turbo engine with 6750rpm red line not GT3 mezger with couple of turbos bolted on if I recall? I've got ported heads on, but I kept the standard turbo cams. It's a road car and I'm not after hi revs, I want low down driveable torque. Turbos will do 1200hp, but I won't run that. Crank is already +2 as are the bores, so rods are standard length. Should really run some straight cut gears, but I don't want any whine. It's not a race car and I don't want to ruin it by chasing numbers.

Desert Dragon said: Have any of you thought about adding a 4.0 GT3 crankshaft and GT3 top end? The GT1 more similar to the 996 turbo engine with 6750rpm red line not GT3 mezger with couple of turbos bolted on if I recall? 911uk has a decent thread by the guy rebuilding a Mezger and he compares both the block, heads and cams of both GT3 and turbo. The turbo has more oil galleries IIRC. The GT3 has lighter pistons as well, to cope with the revs EDIT: Found it - Martin Hill's channel. His videos are wonderful. Isn't this your friend Digga, or am I getting confused? Edited by nebpor on Friday 18th March 15:43

GT3Manthey said: bow4444 said: Hi all Just getting an up to date feel for the current market. I may be looking for a Porsche 996 Turbo I have a budget of £37k Has to be manual, dark leather interior, with full checkable service history. If the budget won’t get me “the car” I may consider a C4s or 997 C4s but either if these has to have had an engine rebuild by a reputable “ Prefer Hartech” engine specialist. A Hartech rebuild is likely to be north of 15k ? Not sure with a full rebuild you’d be likely to get a 996 TT unless it has absolutely galactic Mileage for 37k Also bear in mind you might buy a car for 37k but take it to someone like 9 Excellence & you might be presented with an 8k bill for all the neglected bits . It’s easily done . I’d say for a decent car that been well cared for you should be looking at 45k or it all becomes somewhat of a false economy You're lucky Baz from Hartech hasn't seen that. He's well known for chewing folk out for claiming rebuilds cost £15k. Their prices aren't a secret, they publish a price list on their website and last time I checked a basic rebuild on an M96 was around £7k. £15k was more like the very top excluding a capacity increase. The engine in the 996TT is very reliable but if you were to be one of the unlucky few that had a failure I'd think you'd be looking at a hell of a lot more to rebuild a Mezger. I think the gearboxes are a weak point however, mine was on the road out at just over 100k and I was quoted potentially £7k for the rebuild.

nunpuncher said: You're lucky Baz from Hartech hasn't seen that. He's well known for chewing folk out for claiming rebuilds cost £15k. Their prices aren't a secret, they publish a price list on their website and last time I checked a basic rebuild on an M96 was around £7k. £15k was more like the very top excluding a capacity increase. The engine in the 996TT is very reliable but if you were to be one of the unlucky few that had a failure I'd think you'd be looking at a hell of a lot more to rebuild a Mezger. I think the gearboxes are a weak point however, mine was on the road out at just over 100k and I was quoted potentially £7k for the rebuild. I’m no expert but my C4S was rebuilt at Hartech in 2014 at a cost of 13k so I’d added some liberal license for inflation. Clearly the engine on my car had totally eaten itself and costs vary.