Rear fog light

I didn't like only the left rear fog light illuminated so being one who wants something different I wired the right rear fog to light up. Quite easy since the right rear already has a wired bulb socket. Wire color is identical for both sides....gray and brown. Just run wire from gray-to-gray and brown-to-brown, add bulb, and voila'! Those who know me know I can't leave stuff alone.

Year: 2007 Make: Porsche Model: 911 Price: $65000 Mileage: 46000 Color: Meteor Gray Private or Dealer Listing: Dealer Listing Location (State): CA Transmission: Manual Drivetrain: 4WD & AWD Hello, Up for sale is my own 2007 Porsche 997.1 Turbo. This car is Meteor Gray with Cocoa Interior. It has not been driven much, about 2100 miles in a year and a hlaf and the time has come to sell it. Miles: 46,XXX- (This will change a small amount but not much) This is the factory options that the car came with: 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo Coupe Division: PCNA* Prod Month: 02/2007* Year: 2007* Model: 911 Turbo Coupe Option Description Price: BASE Porsche Base Model 122,900.00 220 Axle-Differential Lock Rear 950.00 342 Heated Front Seats 480.00 635 Parking Assist System 530.00 640 Sport Chrono Package Turbo 1,840.00 9Q Meteor Grey Metallic 0.00 CNE Spoiler Lip Painted 590.00 CNF Front Air Intakes Painted 990.00 CUV Storage Cmpt Lid W/Model Logo 293.00 CXB Door Entry Grds Stl Steel Illu 780.00 DAD Gear Lever/Handbrake Alu./Lthr 1,680.00 M6C Cocoa Floor Mats 115.00 RA Special Leather Cocoa 430.00 XAJ Standard Rocker Panels Painted 750.00 XMP Lthr Sun Visors Lighted Mirror 560.00 XMZ Rear Center Console - Leather 1,260.00 XPA Thicker Steering Wheel-Leather 310.00 XSC Porsche Crest in Headrest 270.00 Total Options 11,828.00 Total Charges 950.00 Total Order $135,678.00 Only issue with the car is the front bumper has a couple rock chips. I will get it repainted if the new owner would like. This has hands down been the most fun car I have ever owned. I have not had any mechanical issue with the car and since I purchased it I have done a slew of things to it including oil change, coolant flush and brakes. Plugs were changed around 200 miles ago to fresh stock plugs and gapped down. All service done at either BBI Autosport or Cobb Tuning So Cal. This car has never been raced while I owned it, never seen a track. I rarely drove it and it sat in doors with a car cover over it. Now, as the car sits it makes 580WHP and about 580ft/lbs of torque to the wheels. It is tuned way down as not to be aggressive on the rods. The car has tunes for E85 and 91 Octane. This car runs as good as stock if not better. I have a lot of time in the tune on this car so I can say it would be hard to find a better running car. This is also the perfect setup for someone who wants to do a 997 Turbo with bigger turbos, as this car has literally everything that would be needed to do bigger turbos minus the turbos and the lines. These are the modifications done to the car as of right now: Engine: GMG Exhaust with High Flow Cats Cobb Tuning 1000cc Injectors Cobb Tuning Accessport with various different calibrations OS Giken Twin Disc Clutch Suspension: Eibach Lowering Springs Stock wheels and tires are brand new! Exterior: LED Tail lights LED DRL's Fixed spoiler Kit ( Not Installed) Interior: Has the bluetooth module/ Ipod hook up. LED Lights for all interior lights Passport Radar Detector Hardwired Price is as follows: $65,000 firm. No trades, no low ball offers. This is the price. Please email me if you are interested in the car. DO NOT PM! There is a group of people that will get the PM's notification and this is a sale of my personal car not Cobb as a company. [email removed] Please let me know if you have any questions at all! Happy to answer any questions and can ship ( Buyer would pay but we have a good amount of transport companies that we use) Thanks for looking! -Mitch Mckee

I didn't like it either...every time I turn it on, someone always say one of my bulb is out...I may go this route too..

Nice vehicle. Does it have AZ or CA title/registration?

that's so american

AZ -Mitch

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Quote: I know it's a European thing. My main concern is this...would a driver coming up from behind know not to try and pass too close the right where there is no rear fog? I don't necessarily drive my Porsche or Corvette in bad weather but there are times where I've been "caught" in bad weather and had to use the rear fog. Where one light is good, two is better!

So tempting! Do you know if it will pass Calif smog?

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Quote: Ding, ding, ding. That's it. I was on a rally a couple of months ago and when we arrived at one stop several people told me I had a light out. I checked and they were all fine. That must have been it. Actually, I've never tried to turn on the rear fog so I don't know if I could repeat the incident.

Nice Looking Car. GLWS.

Thanks for the idea! I may have to try it!

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Quote: It would with a stock exhaust! -Mitch

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Quote: When I bought my Porsche it didn't come with a manual. So here I am, looking at all the gauges and ***** on the dash and can't figure out the light switch. < > to the left. What the heck is this? Find out it's a European parking thing. If you parallel park on a one way street (left or right side) you turn the **** accordingly so the side of your car furthest the curb has its side marker and rear taillight on. Took me another day to figure out the rear fog light is activated when you turn the headlights ON...then pull the **** out once for front fog lights....twice for rear fog. My Corvette has nothing like this.

How many total owners?

I guess I'll have to go out and see what my rear fog light is. Didn't even know I had one. I prefer to see where I am going and not where I have been. What is the point of this light?

Car is sold! Thanks everyone! -Mitch

It's there the same reason you have front fog lights. In a thick fog it's a brighter light for other people on the road to see. I got annoyed from people telling me i had a light out. I actually had a friend in high school with an Audi,we changed the other bulb so many times not knowing why it wouldn't go on haha. It's funny looking back at it knowing it's a Euro thing haha.

That was quick! Congrats Mitch!

I did that a long time ago... I use it for drivers who tailgate me. It works, they back the hell up and space out. I also use it when it's raining for safety/visible purposes.

Looks like this beautiful car is back up for sale

If your car has a driver-side rear fog light, then DON'T connect the other/passenger side (its probably lacking the internal reflector anyhow) - its by design that way. Why? - To reduce likelihood of rear traffic mistakenly presuming you've slammed on the brake lights when driving out_of_a_thick_fog. Useful also in dustorms, wildfire smoke etc. Sure its a European 'thing' re why a DS unit only, but they are the experts with this stuff and they created them decades ago, and it was decided many years ago - to generally run with one, on the driver side for that market. The old 'ECE 38' design rule for rear fog lights is up for world adoption as 'UNECE 38', the global technical regulations are living documents, with changes made simply flowing down to the consumer with the passing of time. Rear fog lights are widespread outside EU too. Many cars, etc have them here in the Australian market incl Jeep, Dodge for example, though the UNECE 38 rule (our ADR 52 and 13) treats them as optional, for now. In the US, SAE J1319 is the recommended practice - it should be part of FMVSS108 in my view. Negligent, that they are not mandatory fitment in the US. Only use a rear fog light when visibility is really bad - 100m or less (50m or less applies in Germany), never use because it is merely 'misty'. In these conditions, a cars standard red taillights are nearly worthless.

For a lot more

I use my front and rear fog lights only in foggy weather. Nobody has ever mentioned the "burned out bulb" to me before.

yeah, isn't that great! someone drives it around ( gorgeous perfect specimen btw ) adds another 268 miles to the odo..takes some better pics and adds $4800+ to the price! certainly their prerogative. was a steal at 65 though. gotta love used car dealers. sheesh.

Rear fog lights are not common practice in the U.S. I've used my rear fog light once since I've had the car and was told, when we had to stop, that my brake lights were on and the right side was burned out. That's why I decided to wire up the right side. The taillight is already set up to work once you wire it and add a bulb. Internal reflector is already installed in taillight. If the U.S. ever gets around to adding a DS rear fog light I'll disconnect the right side.

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Quote: LOL.......I bought my 07997tt from a Porsche dealer in SC for $77 and sold it a few months later for $82. Don't be a hater........its not a very attractive quality.

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Quote: 1 time poster just to address foglights? hmmmm... Anyway I would have to disagree with this somewhat. Seems like the Brit's like having rear fogs on both sides(Land Rover, Jaguar, etc) while the rest of Europe has it on 1 side only. Surprisingly, the Oldsmobile Aurora for those of you that remember that car was an American branded car, however, interestingly had dual rear fog lights on it. Go Figure. Sure cons of one side would let people think you have a bulb out while having two lights might annoy people into thinking you're riding your brakes. My beef is with the American IDIOTS that run these all the time regardless if there is fog or not. My preference would be a single light in the lower center below the taillights(F1 Style) or slightly off center apart from the normal taillight cluster. This configuration is deemed perfectly legal in many countries.

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Quote: i was merely pointing out a statement of fact, and while I'm familiar with the term, i'm not sure where you got the "hate" from? it was more of a bemused disdain, if you must know car was sold a couple months ago, and now with more miles and now at an indie dealer and the price went up by nearly 5k?! and my mention of that is hating? lol. need to re-learn your hip hop speak... and the last thing i'd want to have for you is "attractive qualities", but sure. i'll take it under advisement. ahh, no i won't actually

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Quote: I am well of that sire, about 12 years ago after watching US news of multi vehicle pileups in heavy fog et al conditions, I set about contacting, initially by phone (my personal phone bills were 'high'), each US states DMV to track down the individual/s responsible for having text included into the driver manual - I write text relating to hazardous weather conditions for driver handbooks in AUS/NZ/PNG based on applicable law and vehicle standards. SAE J1319 was advocated I recall by a Korean Co circa 1985 and I'd reference this to the various DMV's (from California to NY) that rear fog lights did indeed exist and that I wasn't pulling their leg,- as many DMV and police etc were skeptical, including some of their vehicle standards people! Of the multitudes of states I dealt with, only New York state accepted my paragraph, and that was after I again had to convince them that rear fogs were 'real'. I pointed out the Year 2000 Oldsmobile Aurora had twin rear fogs in US trim; they included my text in their driver manual circa 2004, and changed a couple of words:-) It remains the ONLY US state to directly teach pupils what rear fogs are, that they do exist, and how and when they should be used. http://www.dmv.ny.gov/dmanual/chapter10-manual.htm Quote: Your in a great area if you've only had had to use the light once or twice - terrific! That someone following you stated you had a burned out RHS bulb, would indicate to me they ignored your real brake-lights, incl the high-mount! Hope you 'corrected' the other driver. Quote: And THAT was/is the debate (you can Google many such discussion). I accept the single rear fog, agreeing with the Continenial approach, even on caravans! Not going to slit my wrist if I end up driving a car with two either, since its much safer to have the item than not. Quote: You can appreciate my efforts at educating US driver license candidates then, see that NY DMV text Chapter 10 - man, that took YEARS to get through. I'd love to adjust it a bit, but better than NOTHING, which currently applies to ALL other US state driver manuals. Hard to teach folk about *rea*r fog lights when the primary driver training tool mentions nothing, eh? :-) Quote: Agree, I like the centrally mounted single rear fog too - suits many a sports. Roadside safety - One day, when I get enough energy and don't otherwise pass away of old age or cancer (49yo here); might get around to seeing if we can updates US DOTS warning triangle specification to something decent,- like the UNECE 27R type, then advocate for new US market cars to carry a minimum 1 high-vis safety vest, a la EU continent, and of course the triangle:-) (Each item is up for world adoption via The UN Convention on Road Traffic [Signs & Signals] more recent amendments) France:- http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr...et-le-triangle Heck, even Mozambique advanceD roadside safety:- http://www.clubofmozambique.com/solu...88381481237582 I shall leave you in peace. . . . . . . cheers....

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Quote: No worries..... Some years ago, a rich kid sold me his 1-yr old $60,000.00 Supra Turbo for $7,500.00. I kept it for 3 years as a DD and sold it for a lot more years later.

Jeremy Pritchard, I can understand the necessity for rear fog light but cannot accept that 1 rear light is better than 2. My general thinking is this....a driver approaching you from the rear will see one light. Like some CA drivers there will be the likelihood that the driver will be an idiot and not know anything about the DS rear fog light. If he decides to pass on the right, he may not know how wide the vehicle is ifo him. With 2 lights illuminated, anyone approaching quickly from the rear will know the position of the vehicle ifo them. If the U.S. will implement rear fog lights every driver will be more aware of their location. Until then I think 2 lights are better than 1.

Seems logical to me that the side the rear fog lite is activated on has something to do with which side of the road is driven on for the country the vehicle is delivered to.

I hate single foglights

I came across this old thread after I removed my rear taillights to polish the car and discovered that the right side has a socket and the brown/grey wires coming out of it just like the left side. So, I bought an identical bulb for the right and thought it would light up when the rear fog light was switched on. But no! What's missing here? BTW, my car is a 2001.

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Quote: Glad I still have my password. I sold my '99 2 yrs ago and regret it. Anyways, you're going to have to splice the wiring from the left rear fog light to the right side. Simple job, shouldn't take more than 15 mins. Remember to splice brown-to-brown and grey-to-grey. Hope this helps.

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Quote: there's nothing wrong with your right foglight even tho there's a socket for it. ONLY the left side will light up.

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Quote: Yes, indeed. But I thought that since the wiring and socket were there, all it needed was a bulb. I suppose at the factory, when they code the car as left hand drive, the left side becomes active and vice versa for right hand drive cars. Otherwise, what would be the point of having the wiring already in place?

Good point, LI. I bet about 2% of American drivers know rear fogs exist. Most prob. would think your back-up lights were on if you had 2 rear fogs. They'll prob. rear end you anyway since they're playing pok e mon go or some dumb sht. Can you tell I have little respect for American drivers? I agree the old, single ones mounted below the bumper are best.

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Quote: Vehicles cleared for American roadways have "white" back up lights. Not quite like the red fog light(s) used on most European vehicles. White lights, to me, are considered to be driving lights. Forward facing fog lights have always been yellow/amber in my book.

just for your info, the bulb and wiring to the bulb exist within the rear light assembly, however you will find there are 6 wires coming into the rear light assembly for the side with the fog light and only 5 for the non fog light side, I know I just checked as I need to change sides for a UK MOT or have both sides lit. Just wondering the best place to run the wire.......

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Quote: I don’t own my 1999 Porsche anymore so I can only reply with what I can remember. The left rear rear fog light had two wires brown and gray. The right rear fog light had the same two colored wires and an empty socket so you’ll have to get a matching one for the right side. I ran my two wires under the metal strip located where the trailing edge of the compartment lid when closed. I think there were 5 sheet metal screws securing it. Hope this info helps you.

I always wondered the same thing about the lights in the back. Thanks for clearing that up!

You’re going to have to splice left side wiring to the right. Same colored wire to same on right side.