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Hey all, looking for some info from those who watch the 991 market closely... With the trade in values on most cars hilarious right now, it is tempting to trade up. But then the asking price of anything you might be looking to trade up to is in the stratosphere as well, making the move redundant. My question is...are you seeing the same impact on 911 prices, particuarly 991 C2T/ C2S / GTS, or have these remained relatively stable throughout the chip shortage, as they were a relatively premium product anyway?

I think the market, right across the board, from Fiestas to Ferraris has seen price rises, so it’s all relative. The cost to change probably remains similar. The big question is, when will normality return?

I think it’s started, values have started to soften, I am seeing reduction on prices at OPC ie 991T etc and cars are not shifting ! Peak time to sell has passed imho and it will be a buyers market in a few months time with further reductions!

Still on the up..... https://www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/auto... https://europe.autonews.com/retail/second-hand-car... From thisismoney as of this month ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. No way is there going to be a mass shrug from the public to sell their car for yesteryear prices.

Oh dear, they said the Titanic would never go down also ! Prices of “specials” like the 991t have fallen as much as 5% in the last month so how is that going up?

GT4P said: Oh dear, they said the Titanic would never go down also ! Prices of “specials” like the 991t have fallen as much as 5% in the last month so how is that going up? the budget spec ones may have but anything worth buying is on the rise or stable.

julian987R said: ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. I hate to point out the obvious….but yes there is…..downwards…

anonymous said: [redacted] They were up to low 90s but now down to mid 80s with one car in OPC dropping from mid/high 80s to below 80. I can see prices dropping further to about mid to high 70s. The T like so many of the specials are nice cars but no GT product although even they are quite diluted now! The so called specials will be more affected to price falls imho

It would be interesting to see if people who take PCP are getting a big uplift in GMFVs? If not, I'd guess that monthlies have become pretty expensive

Prices have dropped from the summer. The 5% figure mentioned by GT4P is in line with what I’ve seen too. Still higher than they were pre-chip-shortage but not as high as they’ve been. Edited by Haribo Lecter on Saturday 16th October 16:32

MrVert said: julian987R said: ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. I hate to point out the obvious….but yes there is…..downwards… You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation.

julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising.

Here’s an interesting stat for you, up until mid 2021 there had been less than 100k cars for sale on PH now that figure is over 166k so what do you think is going to happen? Most new cars are bought on PCP so who is going to buy and what will be the value of all those 3/4 year old cars when contracts are finished with the over supply of used cars? Edited by GT4P on Sunday 17th October 07:53

julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Is this a wind up? You think because a lot of people have paid over inflated prices reflecting a unique set of circumstances (in a lot of cases with government money) that prices won’t drop?

Back on topic just noticed a nice 991t good spec etc with a reputable dealer that came to market recently has dropped £3k overnight , so what does that tell you? Prices going up?????

Prices will drop. From what I've seen it has started. As new cars start to become more available, the chip shortage issue will gradually improve over the next six months, used cars will go down in price across the board. Of course it's simple supply and demand. The more unique and desirable the car the less it will drop.

2 GKC said: julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Is this a wind up? You think because a lot of people have paid over inflated prices reflecting a unique set of circumstances (in a lot of cases with government money) that prices won’t drop? He's absolutely comical. Basic supply and demand. General Economy - Prices of goods going up - Gas, petrol etc going up - Housing market stalled - Interest rate rise possible - Christmas - many overspend - Stock market jitters - Brexit starts to really bite It'll be interesting going into early 2022 to see how 'rich'or 'poor' people feel and whether they can stomach the cost of a luxury Porsche with their disposable income. As a quick indicator WBAC prices are down, so the 'downwards is not a trend' is an odd statement. Not the time to be buying a relatively new but overpriced car which is likely to still have some depreciating to do.

I thought about selling my manual C2S as it’s selling at about 15k from dealer more than I paid a year ago, I could perhaps get 10k with a private sale. I’m after a GT3 longer term but they are up 20 to 30k so I’m better off waiting until value fall across the board. Sensible thing would to get out at the top, but I’m not sensible, life is way too short to be driving around in a shed waiting for the market to fall.

g7jhp said: 2 GKC said: julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Is this a wind up? You think because a lot of people have paid over inflated prices reflecting a unique set of circumstances (in a lot of cases with government money) that prices won’t drop? He's absolutely comical. Basic supply and demand. General Economy - Prices of goods going up - Gas, petrol etc going up - Housing market stalled - Interest rate rise possible - Christmas - many overspend - Stock market jitters - Brexit starts to really bite It'll be interesting going into early 2022 to see how 'rich'or 'poor' people feel and whether they can stomach the cost of a luxury Porsche with their disposable income. As a quick indicator WBAC prices are down, so the 'downwards is not a trend' is an odd statement. Not the time to be buying a relatively new but overpriced car which is likely to still have some depreciating to do. also people spending money on overseas holidays and not cars.

julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Is it possible to mute people on this forum?

bosshog said: I thought about selling my manual C2S as it’s selling at about 15k from dealer more than I paid a year ago, I could perhaps get 10k with a private sale. I’m after a GT3 longer term but they are up 20 to 30k so I’m better off waiting until value fall across the board. Sensible thing would to get out at the top, but I’m not sensible, life is way too short to be driving around in a shed waiting for the market to fall. Which GT3 are you after? I can’t see them falling much in price over the next few years. The prices of them have nothing to do with the current chip issues etc, they are rising because good ones are in demand. Time will tell but the looks of the 992 gt3 mean in the future we could see a 458/488 price situation but for different reasons.

GT4P said: I think it’s started, values have started to soften, I am seeing reduction on prices at OPC ie 991T etc and cars are not shifting ! Peak time to sell has passed imho and it will be a buyers market in a few months time with further reductions! So you are basing the whole 991 market on the T??! The 991.2 T was over valued and a fairly niche car with lowish numbers. As usual the right 991s are selling quickly at the strongest prices yet atm even approaching winter. Reflects most OPCs are desperate for quality used stock of the right spec.

2 GKC said: julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Is this a wind up? You think because a lot of people have paid over inflated prices reflecting a unique set of circumstances (in a lot of cases with government money) that prices won’t drop? You think too binary I feel with no accounting for abnormal market forces. All we can do is wait and see. Best regards

g7jhp said: 2 GKC said: julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Is this a wind up? You think because a lot of people have paid over inflated prices reflecting a unique set of circumstances (in a lot of cases with government money) that prices won’t drop? He's absolutely comical. Basic supply and demand. General Economy - Prices of goods going up - Gas, petrol etc going up - Housing market stalled - Interest rate rise possible - Christmas - many overspend - Stock market jitters - Brexit starts to really bite It'll be interesting going into early 2022 to see how 'rich'or 'poor' people feel and whether they can stomach the cost of a luxury Porsche with their disposable income. As a quick indicator WBAC prices are down, so the 'downwards is not a trend' is an odd statement. Not the time to be buying a relatively new but overpriced car which is likely to still have some depreciating to do. General Economy - Prices of goods going up Some goods up yes, some goods down - Gas, petrol etc going up When has petrol prices ever taken a dive in the great scheme of things. - Housing market stalled Seasonal factors - Interest rate rise possible When is there ever not a potential interest rate rise headline. - Christmas - many overspend And it has been that way before and forevermore. - Stock market jitters When isn’t there jitters, really. - Brexit starts to really bite as in the bite to reality that the sun didn’t implode and the country will be fine. I didn’t vote for it, but you sound like a doomsayers and have drunk too much main stream media kool aid.

julian987R said: General Economy - Prices of goods going up Some goods up yes, some goods down - Gas, petrol etc going up When has petrol prices ever taken a dive in the great scheme of things. - Housing market stalled Seasonal factors - Interest rate rise possible When is there ever not a potential interest rate rise headline. - Christmas - many overspend And it has been that way before and forevermore. - Stock market jitters When isn’t there jitters, really. - Brexit starts to really bite as in the bite to reality that the sun didn’t implode and the country will be fine. I didn’t vote for it, but you sound like a doomsayers and have drunk too much main stream media kool aid. Sure you're not R?

julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Not sure where to begin..

Royal Jelly said: julian987R said: You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Not sure where to begin.. +1 I'm not normally confused but this reminds me trying to grasp advanced chaotic man maths, "never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising." Wow! Better than my man maths I can tell you

julian987R said: MrVert said: julian987R said: ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. I hate to point out the obvious….but yes there is…..downwards… You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. You are dreaming…it’s already starting to drop off….normality will return.

At least he's optimistic! Positive mind set Vert!!

IMI A said: At least he's optimistic! Positive mind set Vert!! Optimistic is one word….not the one I’d choose

MrVert said: Optimistic is one word….not the one I’d choose There are a number of factors supporting 991 pricing (some unique to the 991, some not) - 992’s with any reasonable level of options are fairly expensive relatively - 991.1’s are the last of the NA Carreras - the turbo models since dont sound as good - the death of the ICE engine is within sight (so maybe the pricing isn’t a short term thing) - supply chain issues and semi conductor shortages restricting supply in general (this will ease) That being said, If the stock market and asset prices in general have a wobble, so will buyer sentiment and pricing.

I did a WBAC on mine in September - £85.5. Tried it yesterday and had £83.8 offered. Little change in mileage so others saying there is a slight softening rings true to me.

What I have noticed in respect of WBAC is cars like fiestas and minis actually increasing in value over what they were a few months back , could be a case of people shifting to low value cars

My 991.2 M S 2016 in Sept WBAC would have paid 69K, last week it was 65K so has softened a little.

julian987R said: MrVert said: julian987R said: ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. I hate to point out the obvious….but yes there is…..downwards… You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Wow, just wow!

julian987R said: Still on the up..... https://www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/auto... https://europe.autonews.com/retail/second-hand-car... From thisismoney as of this month ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. No way is there going to be a mass shrug from the public to sell their car for yesteryear prices. I think what we can all agree on, is that the car speculators really missed a trick by failing to invest in Dacia Sanderos. If you'd put your 911 Turbo money into 15 Dacia Sanderos, you'd be 30k up by now.

Chamon_Lee said: julian987R said: MrVert said: julian987R said: ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. I hate to point out the obvious….but yes there is…..downwards… You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Wow, just wow! Well don’t take my word on the subject, here are two independent dealers pretty much stating the same, it’s here to stay. It may plateau but only rise again. Are values of used Porsche set to go up or down? Expert market review (winter 2021) https://youtu.be/spmJj6AWDLA And do you really think as we approach the era of no petrol cars for sale that there won’t be an uplift in demand for used petrol cars as the infrastructure to support electric won’t be in place, certainly for inner city folk where a garage or a drive way is unheard of. Let’s compare notes in a decade. You could be right, I could be wrong, but I’m not sure you are bringing much to the party debate wise. Edited by julian987R on Monday 25th October 20:36

julian987R said: Well don’t take my word on the subject, here are two independent dealers pretty much stating the same, it’s here to stay. It may plateau but only rise again. https://youtu.be/spmJj6AWDLA And do you really think as we approach the era of no petrol cars for sale that there won’t be an uplift in demand for used petrol cars as the infrastructure to support electric won’t be in place, certainly for inner city folk where a garage or a drive way is unheard of. Let’s compare notes in a decade. You could be right, I could be wrong, but I’m not sure you are bringing much to the party debate wise. a car dealer saying prices won't go down.

LennyM1984 said: julian987R said: Still on the up..... https://www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/auto... https://europe.autonews.com/retail/second-hand-car... From thisismoney as of this month ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. No way is there going to be a mass shrug from the public to sell their car for yesteryear prices. I think what we can all agree on, is that the car speculators really missed a trick by failing to invest in Dacia Sanderos. If you'd put your 911 Turbo money into 15 Dacia Sanderos, you'd be 30k up by now. I highly doubt that considering x30 tax to pay, x30 insurance to pay, storage costs. Half that claim and you might have one foot on the ground.

Too funny……

julian987R said: Chamon_Lee said: julian987R said: MrVert said: julian987R said: ...there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards. I hate to point out the obvious….but yes there is…..downwards… You are right to point out the obvious, however that was then, not now. Downwards is not a trend that will return to used car prices. Whilst there might be some models and spec that are seeing some price reduction, on the whole the trend is upwards and will continue that way, never falling, only stabilising - rising - stabilising - rising. The percentage differences between a car now vs before Covid n' Chips will never return back to those prices, otherwise 3,855,259 people who have bought used cars at the inflated prices since Covid n' Chips would have to write off a significant loss and I just can't see that happening. And that stat is up-to Q2 of this year so it'll be between 4.5 and 5million by now. The next reset might be in the 2030's depending on where ECars end up and legislation. Wow, just wow! Well don’t take my word on the subject, here are two independent dealers pretty much stating the same, it’s here to stay. It may plateau but only rise again. Are values of used Porsche set to go up or down? Expert market review (winter 2021) https://youtu.be/spmJj6AWDLA And do you really think as we approach the era of no petrol cars for sale that there won’t be an uplift in demand for used petrol cars as the infrastructure to support electric won’t be in place, certainly for inner city folk where a garage or a drive way is unheard of. Let’s compare notes in a decade. You could be right, I could be wrong, but I’m not sure you are bringing much to the party debate wise. Edited by julian987R on Monday 25th October 20:36 You've literally taken two very different angles to look at this and thrown in some very loaded statements. Your first quote above was very much prices will never go back to pre covid and we will always go up and up and up. To state that because over 3.8m people have purchased cars at potentially inflated prices will be the reason why prices will never drop as they would have to write off a significant loss blows my mind to be honest. Literally bonkers in my book. You've then provided another statement that which on the whole I can see happeneing where sought after models will OVERALL GO UP but I dont think it will be up steady up steady up steady. In saying that with things being so unpredictable regarding legislation and ease of owning using a ICE car it might not be as in demand as you think. You have not stated say the creme de la creme of cars such as GT4s or Spyders will go up and up and up: your implying run of the mill good spec boxster S or cayman GTS cars will just be up and up and up and up. I disagree. To back your argument you put forward a couple of dealers stating that cars will go up and up and up - is this the same dealers off loading cars and low balling every single car known to man in feb-march 2020?

I have resisted chipping in but I can't resist after reading this - "there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards"

Discombobulate said: I have resisted chipping in but I can't resist after reading this - "there is nowhere left for it to go but to continue upwards" There have been a few highlights, but on reflection, that also remains my favourite.

Pure PH...

Chamon_Lee said: You've literally taken two very different angles to look at this and thrown in some very loaded statements. Your first quote above was very much prices will never go back to pre covid and we will always go up and up and up. To state that because over 3.8m people have purchased cars at potentially inflated prices will be the reason why prices will never drop as they would have to write off a significant loss blows my mind to be honest. Literally bonkers in my book. You've then provided another statement that which on the whole I can see happeneing where sought after models will OVERALL GO UP but I dont think it will be up steady up steady up steady. In saying that with things being so unpredictable regarding legislation and ease of owning using a ICE car it might not be as in demand as you think. You have not stated say the creme de la creme of cars such as GT4s or Spyders will go up and up and up: your implying run of the mill good spec boxster S or cayman GTS cars will just be up and up and up and up. I disagree. To back your argument you put forward a couple of dealers stating that cars will go up and up and up - is this the same dealers off loading cars and low balling every single car known to man in feb-march 2020? Correct that is my contention but I fully respect that you disagree. Not much of a counterargument from you if I'm honest, more word soup. If marking your homework it is a C at best, maybe B- on a good day. Neither of us are Nostradamus but my POV is that whatever the masses say, bet the other way. You could well be right though! best regards

I've been following the market for a while and I think there has been a definite softening across the board. Cars are hanging around for longer, and being reduced in many cases. I guess the question is, is this a beginning of a broader price 'correction' or is it just the usual seasonal fluctuation as we head into winter and these cars become less desirable? We'll only really know in the spring I guess.

julian987R said: Correct that is my contention but I fully respect that you disagree. Not much of a counterargument from you if I'm honest, more word soup. If marking your homework it is a C at best, maybe B- on a good day. Neither of us are Nostradamus but my POV is that whatever the masses say, bet the other way. You could well be right though! best regards My POV is that I wish you'd stop spamming these forums with this nonsense.

That would be a shame…..he provides the evening entertainment

So slightly biased view as I own one but to me the 991.1 is last of a breed of 'proper' Porsche engine - I opened mine right up through the gears in SportPlus (mine is a manual with PSE) in the week on a (for once) deserted slip road onto A34 South (From M4 Junction roundabout) and it is literally spine tingling the noise - can't think of anything close other than a GT3. I've just spent a week and a thousand or so miles in a 992 and it does a lot of things 'better' but feels less 'Porsche 911' in some ways than the earlier cars. I've got a slot on a 992 GTS and whilst it is a great car, is it 'twice' the car in terms of value than my 991.1 2S (twice the cost!) errr not on your life. To me the 991.1 is a sweet spot between the older less 'daily' cars and the newer stuff with the non naturally aspirated engine and therefore will always have a special place. It took me nearly two years to find mine (right spec/colour/manual etc etc).

My 991 is my daily driver and I wouldn't have done that with the 997 (although I think plenty of people do). The 7th gear gives me circa 30mpg on a run and the interior is a lovely place to be. Slightly preferred the look of the 997 and steering was better in the 997 but constantly terrifed of the thing going bang, I would only now have a gen II if I was going back to a 997 and the prices of those are creeping towards 991 territory (for a really good one) so to me a decent 991 makes more sense. I've not heard any 997 apart from a GT3 make the noise that my 991 does with PSE in SportPlus. The Bose is better, the nav is better, the seats are better, the lights are better etc etc etc.

240Cup said: So slightly biased view as I own one but to me the 991.1 is last of a breed of 'proper' Porsche engine - I opened mine right up through the gears in SportPlus (mine is a manual with PSE) in the week on a (for once) deserted slip road onto A34 South (From M4 Junction roundabout) and it is literally spine tingling the noise - can't think of anything close other than a GT3. I've just spent a week and a thousand or so miles in a 992 and it does a lot of things 'better' but feels less 'Porsche 911' in some ways than the earlier cars. I've got a slot on a 992 GTS and whilst it is a great car, is it 'twice' the car in terms of value than my 991.1 2S (twice the cost!) errr not on your life. To me the 991.1 is a sweet spot between the older less 'daily' cars and the newer stuff with the non naturally aspirated engine and therefore will always have a special place. It took me nearly two years to find mine (right spec/colour/manual etc etc). I had a 997 4S, currently have a 991.1 4S and have a 992 4 GTS arriving in a couple of weeks. Have DD all of them, did 30k miles on the 991 and used it to drive to work, pick up the kids from school (sometimes), grab shopping etc. I felt like the 991 was a big step up from the 997 in every way and much more modern. Agree with the above that I think they will hold their value well as the last of the NA Carreras. The 992 is a different league in speed and acceleration but I’ll miss the 991’s sound.

...and how about now? Browsing Auto Trader.... £95,000 - 2017 991.2 C2 GTS £85,000 - 2018 991.2 C2S £80,000 - 2017 991.2 C2S £75,000 - 2017 991.2 C2 ....but a lot of cars seem to have been for sale for months and not moving...?

MD707 said: ...and how about now? Browsing Auto Trader.... £95,000 - 2017 991.2 C2 GTS £85,000 - 2018 991.2 C2S £80,000 - 2017 991.2 C2S £75,000 - 2017 991.2 C2 ....but a lot of cars seem to have been for sale for months and not moving...? Stuff hasn't really moved that I've been looking at but it is January, so let's see in the spring. But I suspect they'll probably try and keep up with inflation but not for long. As the purse strings tighten, most buyers will be priced out of the market. Resulting in pricing stability or reduction. But the supply shock will need to be solved to increase new stock. I do ok financially and I've walked away from 2 cars that I felt were just bonkers and now not worth the new price. An e30 m3 and e46 csl, both of which I wanted but now there's no way I'd pay the crazy numbers being asked. Let's say the standard e30, moderate mileage and condition hits 100k, seriously? Laughable really. If they're 130k in 2 years so be it, I still don't think it's worth 100 and won't be disappointed at 130. Am I alone? Maybe.

Im in the market for a 991.2 GTS, Most OPCs iv visited have multiple to choose from and they seem to be hanging around, Im getting lots of chasing for the ones iv looked at. Circa 2018s at 98k, decided to hang on just a little bit longer as im still sorting out my garage so it has somehwere to live but It does feel like things are edging downwards.

I sold my 2018 991.2 Targa 4 GTS just before Christmas for £97K and it was put up for sale and sold at £109K. For reference purposes, I bought the car from an OPC in 2019 for £117K.

I sold my 2018 991.2 Targa 4 GTS just before Christmas for £97K and it was put up for sale and sold at £109K. For reference purposes, I bought the car from an OPC in 2019 for £117K.

240Cup said: So slightly biased view as I own one but to me the 991.1 is last of a breed of 'proper' Porsche engine - I opened mine right up through the gears in SportPlus (mine is a manual with PSE) in the week on a (for once) deserted slip road onto A34 South (From M4 Junction roundabout) and it is literally spine tingling the noise - can't think of anything close other than a GT3. I've just spent a week and a thousand or so miles in a 992 and it does a lot of things 'better' but feels less 'Porsche 911' in some ways than the earlier cars. I've got a slot on a 992 GTS and whilst it is a great car, is it 'twice' the car in terms of value than my 991.1 2S (twice the cost!) errr not on your life. To me the 991.1 is a sweet spot between the older less 'daily' cars and the newer stuff with the non naturally aspirated engine and therefore will always have a special place. It took me nearly two years to find mine (right spec/colour/manual etc etc). +1 240Cup. My 991 PDK CS was one of the first in the country when they came out in 2012. My Porsche salesman has been trying to get me into a 992 for months. Have been on test drives and as you say don't have that NA engine noise. Even on start up 992's are very sedate noise wise. I have a test drive in a GTS 992 on Monday ...... not holding my breath. I think the turbo's just stifle the engine noise Could almost be an EV Have read reports that one of the updates on the 992 next year is a NA engine option. Now that's something I would be interested in. I do have a letter of intent on a GT3 Touring but can't see that happening. So i'm still more that happy to blast the 10 year old 991 down the road.

Al's 991 said: +1 240Cup. My 991 PDK CS was one of the first in the country when they came out in 2012. My Porsche salesman has been trying to get me into a 992 for months. Have been on test drives and as you say don't have that NA engine noise. Even on start up 992's are very sedate noise wise. I have a test drive in a GTS 992 on Monday ...... not holding my breath. I think the turbo's just stifle the engine noise Could almost be an EV Have read reports that one of the updates on the 992 next year is a NA engine option. Now that's something I would be interested in. I do have a letter of intent on a GT3 Touring but can't see that happening. So i'm still more that happy to blast the 10 year old 991 down the road. I find this difficult to believe, that's a substantial change to the vehicle fundamentals. Like electronics, cooling/oil/ water lines, mapping etc. Can you imagine the cost to change all that plus the service changes like training, manuals etc? That's excluding the legal side, having to put two cars through emissions approval. From a business perspective it makes no financial sense but fingers crossed.

LeakUpTest said: Al's 991 said: +1 240Cup. My 991 PDK CS was one of the first in the country when they came out in 2012. My Porsche salesman has been trying to get me into a 992 for months. Have been on test drives and as you say don't have that NA engine noise. Even on start up 992's are very sedate noise wise. I have a test drive in a GTS 992 on Monday ...... not holding my breath. I think the turbo's just stifle the engine noise Could almost be an EV Have read reports that one of the updates on the 992 next year is a NA engine option. Now that's something I would be interested in. I do have a letter of intent on a GT3 Touring but can't see that happening. So i'm still more that happy to blast the 10 year old 991 down the road. I find this difficult to believe, that's a substantial change to the vehicle fundamentals. Like electronics, cooling/oil/ water lines, mapping etc. Can you imagine the cost to change all that plus the service changes like training, manuals etc? That's excluding the legal side, having to put two cars through emissions approval. From a business perspective it makes no financial sense but fingers crossed. Logical, but the same argument could have been made about the moved from 2.5l 718 GTS to 4.0l 718 GTS.

CloudStuff said: Logical, but the same argument could have been made about the moved from 2.5l 718 GTS to 4.0l 718 GTS. Yup, and after all, they made Turbo variants of the NA car since dinosaurs roamed.

Good valid points. Hope so.

LeakUpTest said: Al's 991 said: +1 240Cup. My 991 PDK CS was one of the first in the country when they came out in 2012. My Porsche salesman has been trying to get me into a 992 for months. Have been on test drives and as you say don't have that NA engine noise. Even on start up 992's are very sedate noise wise. I have a test drive in a GTS 992 on Monday ...... not holding my breath. I think the turbo's just stifle the engine noise Could almost be an EV Have read reports that one of the updates on the 992 next year is a NA engine option. Now that's something I would be interested in. I do have a letter of intent on a GT3 Touring but can't see that happening. So i'm still more that happy to blast the 10 year old 991 down the road. I find this difficult to believe, that's a substantial change to the vehicle fundamentals. Like electronics, cooling/oil/ water lines, mapping etc. Can you imagine the cost to change all that plus the service changes like training, manuals etc? That's excluding the legal side, having to put two cars through emissions approval. From a business perspective it makes no financial sense but fingers crossed. More likely it won't happen because a new NA variant would be a backward step emissions-wise. BTW my T sounds rather good - reminds me of my 997. Maybe not as much at the top end though...

MD707 said: ...and how about now? Browsing Auto Trader.... £95,000 - 2017 991.2 C2 GTS £85,000 - 2018 991.2 C2S £80,000 - 2017 991.2 C2S £75,000 - 2017 991.2 C2 ....but a lot of cars seem to have been for sale for months and not moving...? I sold a 991.2 4s with a high specification to the trade before Christmas, was sold in no time for £81k. They then sold it on for the following week for a profit. Limited supply of good used cars due to increased demand. If your going for a 991.2 make sure you get rear steer.

This is a rather lovely 991 in my opinion https://jzmporsche.com/cars/porsche-911-carrera-p0... with the aero kit on the back it looks like a baby gt3. Love it.