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So more and more people I know have managed to get on to the Porsche "escalator" and whilst it seems to be mysterious exactly how it works it seems clear that once you get up to a certain level, essentially where you cannot just go and order a car, then they appreciate immediately, from day 1 and people seem to ride this upwards and enjoy some amazing machinery with the added benefit of having made a tidy sum when they come to sell. My question is, what is the best way to start out with this in mind?

mmm... Buy a Porsche ?

Z4MCSL said: My question is, what is the best way to start out with this in mind? apparently its very straightforward Go into a dealer and buy a one of theose Caynene things and a maybe a Macan thing for your missus. Do this every 6 months and finance the hell out of them. Get all the extras especially the stuff that teh salesman gets commission on. Eventually they will offer you a GT car.

You'd need to work out the numbers on a long timeframe ... That £50k you make on the GT car may be less than the hit you've taken on 2 Cayennes, a Macan and the carbon fibre indicator stalks you specified for them.

The current market isn’t a true reflection of the norm. In normal times you buy a Porsche and it depreciates the moment you drive out of the showroom. The biggest running cost is usually the depreciation. At the moment everything is pretty distorted.

In my case, and probably many others, it’s a long term commitment to the brand rather than jumping onto the escalator. I have owned Porsche cars almost all my driving life, starting out with older ones first. I did have a Carrera GT in the early 80’s which was a particular highlight. I have also raced Porsches in the Porsche club in the late 80’s and early 90’s. One slowly moves up the hierarchy of models as funds etc allow. You develop a relationship with a few people and dealers en route and can usually get the cars you want. Remember right up to 997 Gen2 there was no mad panic on GT3 allocation, you just ordered one! I currently have 3 Porsches on the fleet with another one incoming so I probably count as a reasonable client at my OPC. The other way is just to start a YouTube channel, or become an “influencer” on the ‘gram. Get whatever you want then

Was at my local OPC yesterday and they did not have one new car for sale but quite a few pre-owned “cooking” models with huge “overs” £20k plus on a 6 month old Targa and other eye watering prices on older 991s.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12175796

Buy a nice second hand 911 2wd manual coupe which has done it's depreciation.

g7jhp said: Buy a nice second hand 911 2wd manual coupe which has done it's depreciation. yep, and don‘t use it, or if you must drive only 200 miles a year, “quality miles“ though.

IMI A said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12175796 Looks like the Youtuber TGE’s car?

RudeBoy said: IMI A said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12175796 Looks like the Youtuber TGE’s car? It is indeed

Unfortunately since around 2015 the ££ gravytrain ship has long since sailed. It will now cost you bigtime to get any Porsche GT allocations with little or no buying history. Rather like discussing property values round the dinner table. Or buying tech shares at their peak. Once every man and his dog are onto the idea unfortunately but predictably it is a closed shop. And you will lose money. Essentially It all started with the 991.1. GT3. Unfortunately you are 7 years too late. Bitcoin may give you a better return.

julian987R said: RudeBoy said: IMI A said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12175796 Looks like the Youtuber TGE’s car? It is indeed Seems very expensive. There are also special edition 991.2 GTS 4 for £135k at OPCs. Nuts.

Van Halen said: I cannot get there from here, baby And I don't care where I'm goin' The ship sailed. People being offered builds for new GT cars are: A.) very long term customers 3.) spending a s t ton of money on buying other Porsche cars, which often incur huge depreciation b.) IMHO all the best GT cars have already been made anyway Starting now and not wanting to hose money on the thing, I'd be more inclined to look for things likely to appreciate more. Early Boxsters are inexplicably unloved. Early 996.1 & 2 GT3's still exceptionally good value, compared to say an BMW M3 CLS. All 997 GT3's carry a huge chunk of the essence of the 997.2 GT3 RS 4 litre, but don;t cost £300k for a LHD example.

James44 said: You'd need to work out the numbers on a long timeframe ... That £50k you make on the GT car may be less than the hit you've taken on 2 Cayennes, a Macan and the carbon fibre indicator stalks you specified for them. I was just about to say the depn alone on those cars would certainly massively outweight the gain on a GT car

Id never really thought about the Boxsters - you are so right, old Boxsters are now silly money. Might look into production numbers - considering how much of an impact they made when they came out it is odd how little love they get but then I am guessing there are just too many of them?

Already covered but if you want a GT car you either have 5-10 years of buying a new car every 6 months to get a sniff at a slot or just buy a 2nd hand one and pay an inflated price. You need to estimate how much you're going to lose with the first scenario and timescales involved as to whether that is cheaper in the long run that option 2. It's this that's made we walk away from the brand and how they treat their customers. To add to this I have a good friend who's never had an expensive car, but put a deposit down on day one for a Lotus Emira, after a week or two and the potential long lead times he has shown an interest in GT4's, he called Porsche Bolton who point blank refused to even consider him as a potential GT customer (as expected), the second Porsche Preston were more receptive, stating that they may be able to secure a car and to come in to discuss options etc.... He tried to progress this but was told he was unlikely to get a build slot (no surprise) and what about buying a Cayman S as an introduction to the brand (and get you into the first scenario)... he politely declined and walked away.

IMI A said: julian987R said: RudeBoy said: IMI A said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12175796 Looks like the Youtuber TGE’s car? It is indeed Seems very expensive. There are also special edition 991.2 GTS 4 for £135k at OPCs. Nuts. But this one is £40k less than what you compare against.

Are you saying cheap Julian? I'm pretty sure list was only £75k-£85k. Nice spec certainly but I couldn't part wth that sort of money for it. I'd rather buy a 991.1 GT3. The yellow one at JZM i bet you could buy for similar money as been up for sale for ages

IMI A said: Are you saying cheap Julian? I'm pretty sure list was only £75k-£85k. Nice spec certainly but I couldn't part wth that sort of money for it. I'd rather buy a 991.1 GT3. The yellow one at JZM i bet you could buy for similar money as been up for sale for ages Nope, not cheap, just that the previous reply talked of a comparison to a £135K car, which is a bit apples and oranges. I think the T is a very nice edition, but not at that price.

There’s a lot of talk about having a relationship with an OPC in order to get GT allocations…… I have had relationships with 3 different OPC’s- it usually goes like this: I contact the OPC about something, maybe to book a car in for a service, or to buy a car on their forecourt. I get absolutely appalling service, eg, having booked a car in for a service I drop the car off only to be told ‘bring it back another day, the workshop is busy, we haven’t got time to do an oil change today’ Having had my time completely wasted I demand to see the OPC principal- I tell him the garage is crap, I then go to another OPC in the future and repeat the process.

There is an exception to the rule that Jonny Nobody isn't able to walk into a dealer and buy a GT car. But I think the stars need to align. I've never owned a Porsche but I rang up my local OPC 12 months or so ago and said I am interested in buying a GT4. I was offered 3 cars (possibly even 4 - I can't remember now) there and then (all physical cars either coming through the factory or just left the factory). However, I think this was due to Porsche making a decent number of cars in the GT4's first production wave and because the early waves were manual only - lots of people were waiting for the PDK. It probably wouldn't have been the same case if I was after a GT3 though!

IMI A said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12175796 To be fair, very limited numbers made their way to the UK and they were arguably the best non-GT/Turbo 991. (I am sure I will get roasted for the second statement, but I really enjoyed the one I drove and there were more under the skin changes/features to the car than the general press bothered to report.) But, yes, it ain't cheap! How much of that is fuelled by the general increase in second hand values and how much of it by "its a Porsche" though. Would be interesting to compare to second half values from last spring.

Roma101 said: IMI A said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12175796 To be fair, very limited numbers made their way to the UK and they were arguably the best non-GT/Turbo 991. (I am sure I will get roasted for the second statement, but I really enjoyed the one I drove and there were more under the skin changes/features to the car than the general press bothered to report.) But, yes, it ain't cheap! How much of that is fuelled by the general increase in second hand values and how much of it by "its a Porsche" though. Would be interesting to compare to second half values from last spring. So few were specced to the ethos of the model. You could probably count on one hand how many embrace the spirit correctly. That plays a factor in the price of this one but it is pushing its luck.

maybe they are following this thread as the price on it just dropped £8k. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202109247... Thing is, even now at £87K its too much.

Interestingly the callipers seem to have been repainted black between PH & AT adverts..

anonymous said: [redacted] Quite.

anonymous said: [redacted] The seats are different too. So... it is a different car.

julian987R said: So few were specced to the ethos of the model. You could probably count on one hand how many embrace the spirit correctly. That plays a factor in the price of this one but it is pushing its luck. Jeez, not this b ks again. "... embrace the spirit correctly"? Listen to yourself for a moment. And who sets the rules? Oh, you make them up from afar. Edited by Maxym on Tuesday 28th September 08:12

Maxym said: The seats are different too. So... it is a different car. Yes, we know. Sorry, a bit too subtle for type!

anonymous said: [redacted] And the second one has half the mileage.

donutskidmark said: There’s a lot of talk about having a relationship with an OPC in order to get GT allocations…… I have had relationships with 3 different OPC’s- it usually goes like this: I contact the OPC about something, maybe to book a car in for a service, or to buy a car on their forecourt. I get absolutely appalling service, eg, having booked a car in for a service I drop the car off only to be told ‘bring it back another day, the workshop is busy, we haven’t got time to do an oil change today’ Having had my time completely wasted I demand to see the OPC principal- I tell him the garage is crap, I then go to another OPC in the future and repeat the process. LOVE this reply! Agree 100% but think you missed the following points out..... After initial contact with the dealer and promises to call me back they rarely do... Service department have no idea of how to accurately quote for a job, they give a price and when asked "does that include everything for the 4 year service?" they say YES it does. Then you say "including the brake fluid change and other additional items?" to which (after a blank look) they reply - NO, they are an extra £600! You collect your car after its overpriced service only to drive home and see that the oil level is either too low or too high and the tyre pressures are more out of spec than they were when you dropped it off! After stopping using that OPC you travel further to go to another only to find they are consistently inept! After identifying a blatant warranty issue on your GT car you book the car in, demonstrate it to their 'GT' technician who winces when he witnesses the issue only to then be told that there is no issue and its a characteristic of the car. Even though other identical cars don't have the issue! So you demonstrate it to the dealer principal who also winces and then they send videos to Porsche in Germany.......weeks go by with no contact before you chase the OPC up and get told its a characteristic of the car BLAH BLAH BLAH. This frustrates you to such a degree that you decide to sell the car, only to then read 6 months later of a solution to the noise your car had being offered by Porsche dealers! After living with this level of service for 6 years (over 4 cars) I'm glad to be out of the Porsche game. Let's hope the AMG dealers are an improvement for the recently purchased GT-R moving forward....

If I wanted to get onto the 'special' ladder right now, with no background with an OPC, I'd look for one of these: 987 Cayman R / Boxster Spyder 996 or 997 GT3 981 GT4 Any of those will put a huge smile on your face, and if you buy the right car isn't going to depreciate much. Prices are high at the moment, so the days when these are likely to appreciate in value have probably taken a pause. That said, I buy cars to enjoy driving them rather than as an investment, so my view of car buying is very much focused on enjoyment, not value.