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Pictures were taken by somebody at pff.de. As expected both Boxster and Cayman have identical engine tunes now. Looks like Miami Blue as the launch colour?

Thanks for this. Oh dear..the front looks just as weak as the Boxster 718.....

First time I've seen that wheel design (on the Miami blue).

The front view (of the Boxster) is much better in the flesh.

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Thanks for sharing these. I actually really like it, looks good in blue.

Apparently, the 718 Cayman was revealed at the Beijing Auto Show earlier today. Apart from the above picture I can find little other info yet.

http://youtu.be/Alz0ku08X9o Hope the link works...

The rear end just looks so 'heavy' now, it's really fattened up. Combined with the front 'duck face' spoiler I can't like it. The 981 is so svelte in comparison. I also think it's starting to look too much like a VW...... Edited by Twinfan on Sunday 24th April 17:01

Picked up those dreadful rear end reflectors - me no likey.

nsm3 said: Picked up those dreadful rear end reflectors - me no likey. VAG are doing their usual thing when they have a "look" which is successful - altering it so that the OLD model is recognisably OLD without changing it too much. Personally don't thing the new look is an improvement (inside or out) but don't object either. I wish they had focused the considerable development budget on the engine (2 litre in particular) or suspension rather than the body panels.

I wonder what ridiculous historical link the Marketing department will pull out of the bag to sell this Cayman? Looks better than the boxster, but that rear end is just not nice...

The rear looks better in the video than I expected. I still prefer the 981 looks overall but wouldn't say no to a 982 GT4 with N/A 4.0L engine. I agree with the front bumper and VAG look comments. The 981 had hints of 918 in its front design language, that seems to be completely gone and flattened in the 982.

Prices in Euro. Same power output, same equipment. 718 Cayman is slightly cheaper than the 981 when you consider the extra standard equipment (PCM, Xenon, etc) 718 Cayman = 51.623 Euro 718 Cayman S = 64.118 Euro 718 Boxster = 53.646 Euro 718 Boxster S = 66.141 Euro

Standard PCM? Can't see it myself......

Those wheels on that blue cayman are awful. Comedy size bin lids! Way way too blingy. Not happy.

I know, I know, but its too far isnt it? There has to be a line!

EricE said: Prices in Euro. Same power output, same equipment. 718 Cayman is slightly cheaper than the 981 when you consider the extra standard equipment (PCM, Xenon, etc) 718 Cayman = 51.623 Euro 718 Cayman S = 64.118 Euro 718 Boxster = 53.646 Euro 718 Boxster S = 66.141 Euro Regardless of the whole turbo 4 cylinder apocalypse - when you consider the available performance, I think this represents good value.

anonymous said: [redacted] Bluetooth is now standard (think it was about £400 on the 981). If you cough up £400 for the Connect Pack (Apple CarPlay) you can use the Apple Maps app from your iPhone as your Sat Nav on the PCM screen. Might not be as sexy as Google Earth powered PCM Nav but saves you £1000.

Those wheels are virtually Audi RS wheels circa 2007................

I like the colour, steering wheel and PCM and that's about it, I'll be keeping my GTS for the foreseeable future.

anonymous said: [redacted] Its pretty depressing really. Oh well, new reality and all that!

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This is the point where you all say you prefer the 981!

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The rear view has a look of the Audi TT to some extent to my eye.

neilf said: Oh god, my eyes....

neilf said: That rear looks nice enough, but I am afraid that its concealing something unforgivable.

More pics here... http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/porsche-71...

Far, far too VW like. Not just Beetle-ish, but Scirocco-ish too:

Couple more Beijing pics. Strange that there seems to be lots of Cayman launch info on German, French, Spanish even Russian websites but zero on the usual UK sites (Autocar, Evo etc). They must all spend Sunday night in the pub!

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http://www.topgear.com/car-news/beijing-motor-show... Some decent quality pics at last...

I like the look of the car. I'll look forward to a test drive - hopefully there will be more cabin insulation to mute the engine sound, then it wont matter how many cylinders there are !!

can someone photoshop out the black strip on the upper rear ? I have a feeling that the Porsche Exclusive team have realised what a cock-up the design team made with the rear are trying to work out how to paint that black strip into a body colour. The front is OK but the way the lights are shaped now it looks a bit too effeminate. Here is the new Audi TTRS which was also launched yesterday with a 5 Cyl 395bhp engine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2o1eFRnfGo Edited by Carl_Manchester on Monday 25th April 08:31

Well I THINK I like it, ish. a bit. Hmm, the back end looks very plain though.

I actually don't have any gripes with the black stripes. What bothers me are these pseudo diffusers that are the signature of boring hatches, coupes and softroaders

Is it my imagination or does it look a little more 'squared off' along the sides, particularly from the rear 3/4 view, compared to the 981, a bit more Aston Vanquishy? It's not a disaster by any means, but I really don't like the black strip or the rear reflectors, other than that it looks nice enough? That engine though, bloody EU emissions regs, eh?

neilf said: I like that!

I think it looks ok, but I also hate fake diffusers. Surely it should have a flat floor and some proper aero with real diffuser. Even SUV's have fake diffusers. I think overall i prefer its predecessor.

Somewhat bizarrely the uk configurator has a picture of the 718 Cayman under the heading 718 - rather than the boxster. (though when you go further it does show the Boxster and not the Cayman) It suggests the configurator will be updated soon.

bcr5784 said: Somewhat bizarrely the uk configurator has a picture of the 718 Cayman under the heading 718 - rather than the boxster. (though when you go further it does show the Boxster and not the Cayman) It suggests the configurator will be updated soon. I think it's intentional and part of the rebranding. It seems likely that they will drop the Cayman and Boxster branding within a year and replace it with 718 Coupé / 718 Roadster or 718 / 718 Cabriolet or something along these lines.

EricE said: I think it's intentional and part of the rebranding. It seems likely that they will drop the Cayman and Boxster branding within a year and replace it with 718 Coupé / 718 Roadster or 718 / 718 Cabriolet or something along these lines. You're probably right - though I believe the Americans don't like cars without names. BMW have got away with calling a 3 series a 3xx Sedan or a 2xx a 2xx Coupe, so I suppose 718 Coupe and 718 Roadster might work. Having a Cayman and a Cayenne in your range was never very sensible.

Dr S said: I actually don't have any gripes with the black stripes. What bothers me are these pseudo diffusers that are the signature of boring hatches, coupes and softroaders I agree, absolutely. A cheap looking piece of trim. Presumably a GTS/GT4 will have something more realistic looking as part of the marketing push.

Dr S said: I actually don't have any gripes with the black stripes. What bothers me are these pseudo diffusers that are the signature of boring hatches, coupes and softroaders See my similar comments on the 'Launch Night' thread. The 'accent strip' adds an unnatural step in the rear deck. The pseudo diffusers appear to be a regular Porsche design touch for facelifts. They did this on the 986.1 to 986.2 facelift, the 987.1 to 987.2 facelift ,then on the facelifts of both generations of Cayenne. Edited to correct thread title.

Configurator now up on the Porsche UK website....

got to a fairly average spec.,with manual at £61k

Twinfan said: Configurator now up on the Porsche UK website.... Just had a play, shocked that digital radio does not come with the PCM (actually should be standard really)

I specced up something similar to my GTS and it came in around £65k, a similar price. With PDK and Miami Blue paint it would be pushing £70k - for an 'S'!

Think its broken actually...

Late GTS high spec cars look like good value now

Darkcat said: Think its broken actually... Looks like they're tweaking the site. It's gone again, bound to be back soon I'm sure.

GT4P said: got to a fairly average spec.,with manual at £61k the prices haven't really changed have they (vs new 981)? i specced a 981 prior to the 718 being announced and the same spec is pretty much the same price AFAICT. contrary to most (all?) around here, i prefer the new styling to any Boxster/Cayman that has come before. the rear lights are still far from perfect, but they're another small step in the right direction. phoned Porsche and no one seems to know when the new Cayman will be available. i test drove the 981C and the 718B this weekend, and was told the 718C wouldn't be announced until around September and wouldn't be available until Nov/Dec. two days later, the announcement has been made but i phoned them earlier and still no one has any info... one source (some american website) says that deliveries will start in Europe in Summer and in Nov/Dec in the USA. anyone have any reliable info on this?

JasonSteel said: phoned Porsche and no one seems to know when the new Cayman will be available. i test drove the 981C and the 718B this weekend, and was told the 718C wouldn't be announced until around September and wouldn't be available until Nov/Dec. two days later, the announcement has been made but i phoned them earlier and still no one has any info... one source (some american website) says that deliveries will start in Europe in Summer and in Nov/Dec in the USA. anyone have any reliable info on this? 24th September 2016 source: https://newsroom.porsche.com/de/produkte/porsche-c... by the way the PDF catalog lists a techart-esque SportDesign Package.

sorry to piss on the 981 peoples smug chips but the 981 is the Worse steering feeling car Porsche have made for years or will ever make in the future, not a lot to be smug about owning a car with gen 1 EPS imo, :-) really hoping the 718 steering has got some feel and substance back to it.

Porsche911R said: sorry to piss on the 981 peoples smug chips but the 981 is the Worse steering feeling car Porsche have made for years or will ever make in the future, not a lot to be smug about owning a car with gen 1 EPS imo, :-) really hoping the 718 steering has got some feel and substance back to it. might as well get that boot in the guts early......

Yes made me LOL same record always on repeat

anonymous said: [redacted] I also think they look terrible compared to a 981, so much so that I wouldn't buy one. A slight difference in steering feel I can live with,

nsm3 said: Only got a poxy S and I'm feeling quite pleased about it If, as rumoured, the new 718 GT4 arriving in a couple of years keeps the 6cyl NA engine, 981 GT4 prices may suffer more than the 981 S or 2.7.

Olivera said: EricE said: This makes the manual version is almost completely pointless now because you'll spend 90% of your driving in 2nd or 6th gear. Edited by EricE on Tuesday 26th April 11:31 Peak power is now 6500rpm. Plotting the change up points at peak power versus the old car effectively gives shorter gearing. So a 22 year newer car has got the same effective (I.e. useful) redline as my 993 and you think that's good/progress?!

Mario149 said: So a 22 year newer car has got the same effective (I.e. useful) redline as my 993 and you think that's good/progress?! Hmm, yes but then the 993 was the top of the range back then, and now the 718 is the entry level model

anonymous said: [redacted] Thing is, Porsche know what buyers want, and its not a peaky engine I am afraid.

andy97 said: Mario149 said: So a 22 year newer car has got the same effective (I.e. useful) redline as my 993 and you think that's good/progress?! Hmm, yes but then the 993 was the top of the range back then, and now the 718 is the entry level model The original 2.5 boxster redlined at 6.5k rpm 20 years ago....so entry level has gone backwards to what it used to be

mollytherocker said: anonymous said: [redacted] Thing is, Porsche know what buyers want, and its not a peaky engine I am afraid. I don't think that's strictly true. Porsche know how to make a great "peaky" NA engine that's still satisfies the average punter while thrilling the enthusiast. Like I said before, Porsche did not go turbo for performance, and we can def add that it wasn't for their average customers, they did it to meet vacuous emissions regs.

100% agree re 981 rear. Wide & flat much better! Sorry, always thought the 981 Box rear looked fussy and designed for the Asian market. It has always looked tall and narrow to my eye, too. I'm not crazy about the new rear, but I'd take it over the 981 Box rear. [/quote]

anonymous said: [redacted] Legal for sale yes. But my understanding was that the FI change was to keep group emissions down and as such avoid potential punitive tax penalties at w corporate level. Either way, it's emissions legislation that's forcing the move. If changing emissions legislation means that buyers will be charged significantly more at point of sale (e.g. First year road tax here) in future for a NA engine it's still Porsche supplying a vehicle that is meeting a requirement driven by legislation rather than free choice. It's merely one degree of separation added IMO, but the source is the same. I don't for one minute believe that the fuel cost saved whether mpg increases by 5% with NA or 10% (on paper) with turbos in itself materially affects Porsche sports car sales.

anonymous said: [redacted] Are they on record somewhere saying this? If so, massively depressing I haven't come across any literature or chat, anecdotal or otherwise, that suggests Porsche customers were pushing for much bigger power and much lower emissions. Other manufacturers have been pushing out much bigger performance numbers for years and Porsche didn't seem to care. ETA: just reread you previous but one post. So is it or is it not a tax issue?

I think the 4-pots have arrived for several reasons: desire to lower emissions across the brand/group to meet regulations now and in the future increase performance increase differentiation with the 911

Twinfan said: I think the 4-pots have arrived for several reasons: desire to lower emissions across the brand/group to meet regulations now and in the future increase performance increase differentiation with the 911 I agree completely! That's one of the main reason now, why I have started to look at a 911 for a replacement for my CGTS in a few years or I may just keep the GTS. However, I am waiting to see what happens with the 991.1/991.2 GT3's as that's my ideal next car as I felt the 991.1 GTS wasn't a step up in terms of performance.

Agreed too I would only look to replace my CGTS with a 911 when the time comes, but I'd be going to an older car unless I want a turbo (which I don't). So I'll probably keep the CGTS indefinitely. I really hope Porsche put an NA motor in a non-limited car in the future but I seriously doubt that'll happen. I think GT cars will always be out of my reach because I don't have the spending power to get that 'special' relationship with an OPC. It's a game I can't join!

Just found a great in-depth review. ...He seems to like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT1JNv3Pk_M

I have only recently bought my first Porsche. 2 year old Cayman 'S' in Jan. I adore it, maybe even obsess over it too much. Driving it is a dream, and the sound is gorgeous. I don't dislike the new 718, and I enjoy speccing one up and seeing the price, although the engine and sound would always be in the back of my mind and somewhat take the edge off the pride I would have for owning one. My initial plan was to use the Cayman S as an investment, ( Bought a pretty mint example) hardly use it and buy a brand new GTS in a couple of years to keep for life and leave to my son. But now I cant help but feel the one I have is somehow richer. Either way, in the grand scheme of things there are more pressing issues in life. Edited by Savier1 on Wednesday 27th April 12:35

Fair point, but if they'd really wanted to surely they'd have redesigned the chassis rather than develop a new engine? Cutting two cylinders off is probably the cheaper option, with the bonus of greater model separation. They've struggled of late to keep the Cayster reigned in under the 911, now it's a 4-pot it's apples and oranges. More scope to market how different they are and maintain the large profit margins on the 911...

Savier1 said: My initial plan was to use the Cayman S as an investment Edited by Savier1 on Wednesday 27th April 12:35 Good luck with that.....is there a plan B?

anonymous said: [redacted] So I imagine they've committed to the 4-pot early then, given the name change. There must be a reason why they introduced it now and not wait for the next platform refresh - not sure what that is though!

av185 said: Good luck with that.....is there a plan B? Yes, just keep it. But I like new cars. Its a disease.

anonymous said: [redacted] Sorry, I only just got around to reading this! I haven't seen any evidence that doing (1) above would decrease their market share - at least not at the moment. Admittedly I don't swot up on Porsche literature and press releases, but I've not heard anything from those sources. I had a 20 min chat with the quintessential 911 owner on eurotunnel the other day. He had a 991 GTS, appeared minted, late middle age, liked 911s because they were Porsches, liked going "fast" in a straight line, never been on track that I could tell, wasn't an "enthusiast" like on here, and had zero knowledge (and appeared to care not a jot) about emissions/taxes. When I told him about the new turbo engines and how much faster they were but sounded a bit s te compared to his current car, his answer was "why would you want that?". Now, that's clearly a small sample size(!), but Porsche appear to be solving a problem that doesn't exist for them from where I'm standing. They clearly think they have to, but I have real trouble accepting that they had some sort of focus/marketing group who's conclusion was that if 911/Cayster emissions don't fall by X to save 500£ on road tax they're going to lose sales. There's got to be a more direct tax/penalty at corporate level that is driving this somehow surely.

Twinfan said: Agreed too I would only look to replace my CGTS with a 911 when the time comes, but I'd be going to an older car unless I want a turbo (which I don't). So I'll probably keep the CGTS indefinitely. I really hope Porsche put an NA motor in a non-limited car in the future but I seriously doubt that'll happen. I think GT cars will always be out of my reach because I don't have the spending power to get that 'special' relationship with an OPC. It's a game I can't join! Don't lose hope of a GT. If you bought a new CGTS you have more chance of getting a GT4 than me. Before I got my GT4 I had only ever bought a new Cayman S. Otherwise I'm a nobody.

There is an assumption that pH subscribers are enthusiasts and atypical. Not so sure. Compare the lengths of threads here about the look of the car with threads about dynamics and you will be left in Little doubt about people's focus of interest.

Last weekend the most common sportscar in the car park at Goodwood was Porsche. Obviously not the right sort of car for enthusiasts.

anonymous said: [redacted] I think we're essentially coming at this from opposite starting points and it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation with the root cause for both being emissions legislation. Does the customer choose the turbo over NA option due to emissions legislation costs thus driving the engines Porsche make? Or does Porsche, as a result of emissions legislation costs, estimate that customers will want turbo over NA and so make the choice for them? Maybe they're one and the same, I'm not entirely sure myself! But in the semantics of it, the issue I see with your premise (that customers are directly making the choice and driving Porsche's decision) is that Porsche has no track record of offering turbo/NA engines side by side in their regular sportscar models (Carrera/Cayster), therefore there can be no side by side comparison of demand. If it was like the PDK/manual debate Porsche would be able to see more and more people favouring turbo engines, as they have seen with them favouring PDK, and hence make an evidence-based decision to drop NA. Or vice versa and see people are willing to pay more to retain NA. But they don't have that data for NA/turbo comparison. Or maybe they have it modeled based on sales of other vehicles but that's not the same thing. I think customers have driven Porsche's decision in the sense that Porsche have had to second guess what they will be able to sell the customer, but they haven't driven Porsche decision with their wallets directly and buying habits directly. Edit: slight tweak to wording Edited by Mario149 on Thursday 5th May 12:15

If the 911.2 is anything to go by, going turbo isn't a big deal - even for the motoring press. 4 cylinders and the sound that goes with it, is more contentious. To some extent I find that a bit odd - the 911.2 I tried recently made very generic exhaust noises which I just found too loud, and I doubt na enthusiasts would like.

A mate of mine has a 991.1 and recently had a 991.2 as a loan car while some work was done on his. He's told me that while the 991.2 is silly quick it's lost the character and personality of an NA 911. He wouldn't swap his.