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After I first installed my PSS9's I brought it to a local speedshop with instructions to leave me some room to navigate the daily driving jungle.
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I installed RoW M030 on mine about six months ago and 3K milles later the front is slightly higher than the rear.
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Just replaced the stock suspension on my wife's car with Bilstein PSS9's.
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Swapped the whole lot for a Euro M030 setup and am delighted with the result.
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went through about 50 fuses, but there all good to go, and I set the daytime running lights to always be on.
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mine is set at 25.5", it was the lowest ride height that i could set without adjustable lower control arms.....set with rear -1.2 degree camber and front -0.7 degree camber.
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I'll try to post mine later, but I think the X73/74 is the perfect ride height for these cars. Its a 1" drop from the standard US ride height.
Too low and it doesn't look right.
I would agree with 25 inches to the fender lip .. leaves about one finger space to top of the tires front & rear. Much lower and drive way become hazards.
After I first installed my PSS9's I brought it to a local speedshop with instructions to leave me some room to navigate the daily driving jungle.
This instruction was ignored and the car was lowered to where he set up his race cars. That's the silver and black shot.
A month later my wife banged the rocker on a curb and since I was constantly worrying about scraping my bottom anyway, I had it raised a bit to where you see it alongside the Carmine red 911 there.
I like it at this height...it gives me about 1/8" to clear the curb at work with my front bumper.
edit - HEY! post #996!
my old C2 on H&R RSS Clubsport coilovers. Set at the bottom of the European spec MKI GT3 ride height range.
105mm front / 115mm rear
**note** in knowing what I know now after playing around with heights and it's effect on the car at the track the cars handle better with a little more rake in the chassis. Should have at least 15mm, my GT3 has 20mm of rake at present and rotates much better than the C2 did.
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They all look great. Keep 'em coming! I gotta get rid of the 4X4 look.
BTW, anybody have the installation instructions for H&R coilovers for a C4? I've seen the Renntech DIY and some others, but none of them are for a C4 or H&Rs with the multipiece springs .
forgot about that pic. the black one on PSS9's as well with spacers front and rear. I think Jaspers looks best at that ride hight.
Looks like some photo shop or color correction on the silver car, best looking shot of a silver car I think I've seen.
Red and silver sure shows the size difference in the generations.
Zookie..WOW! nice pictures.. and that must be the lowest 6 ever.
edit.. sure does not look like your clearing that curb... I know mine scrapes..
Zookie, I'm pretty sure thats the BEST looking 996 I've seen. ("Best" as in exactly how I would do my own).
What size wheels/ tires are you running? Any fender rolling or other specialties as far as suspension goes? How is the ride, is it as painful as most "slammed" cars out there?
Thanks!
I'm glad this thread came back up. I installed RoW M030 on mine about six months ago and 3K milles later the front is slightly higher than the rear. My measurements are 26 1/2' on the fronts and 25 3/4' rear. Everyone I've spoken to says the front will settle, but I'm a little concerned.
If you have Row M030, can you please tell me your height?
Thanks!
I will try to get some measurements tonight form you but if you look at my photos on page 2 it sits about dead even front and back, but it seems people the with RoW have varying ride heights and i'm not so sure your car will settle much more with all ready 3k miles on the suspension
SSST showed his Silver TT cab with X73, here's X73 on a Slate grey TT coupe; the darker body makes it seem a bit lower.
IMO, perfect driving / comfort. Any lower and I'd scrape just about every incline where I normally drive.
I haven't measured...but with new Moton's...about a 1" drop. About Euro ride height...not the North American super ride height.
18" Stock wheels.
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X73 is for Turbos, and X74 is for NA. There are two seperate X74 kits for C2 and C4.
they were designed as coupe only optional suspensions, but do just fine on the cabs.
Thanks, Chao!
That really helped as I didn't really know where to measure from.
It was pretty close; the front was right on (148), but the rear was a little low
(155), but I'm not complaining!
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-I only have about 1-2' of clearance so I have to plan where to drive, and avoid anywhere with speed bumps... Sometimes I even get trapped in parking lots... lol
I just checked Dell's "non-mod" thread; it states it was the X73 ?? I'll ask Dell and look for the receipts.
Or could it be the X73 was for Turbo's? X74 for N/A 996's. I think the latter.
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Here are some front and rear shots, also one with the new LED lights... Actually, I was worried about the quality of the LED's from China, but I was very satisfied with the look and the lights/fitment...
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The company is ProExhaust in California. And it is well worth the investment, I got the front, side, rear, and 3rd brake light... Had to do some jerry rigging with the wires and add load resistors. went through about 50 fuses, but there all good to go, and I set the daytime running lights to always be on. People who don't know Porsches have randomly asked me if this is the 2012... Dosnt hurt that I have all techart and Prior Design parts, new wheels, and lighting, 2007 GT3 wing,... Plus a brand new really good paint job... And you cant see through my tint to the interior...BUT It's so funny when I tell them It's a 99... They look all confused...
I love that its a 99...
Absolutely gorgeous and with a great stance!
Makes me second-guess the fact that I chose to go with the ROW M030 instead of something more aggressive. But with a daily driver I guess I have to compromise.
It's interesting that Eibach quotes 1 inch front and rear drop. H&R states 1.25 F/R.
I have H&R but mine sits higher than yours...??? I'm 25.5 F and R.
For those worried about front clearance in parking, learn how to back in. I only back into parking stalls. Even if they say no backing in. Your in total control when backing in and when you leave you have much better site lines. All my Son's back in also, only wife wont. (She drives an '08 TTq V6 6sp - so no worries)
Bilstein PSS9 and H&R sway bars. I bought them used and installed it all myself but I had a local shop set up the alignment and ride height a few years ago. Everything was fine but this year I decided to jack the rear up a tiny bit.
The left side adjustment was easy but the right side was badly seized. I had to remove the strut and using an air tool to make the adjustment. I used a ruler and counted threads. I originally intended to go a full 10 mm but decided to stop at 7 mm. It was bloody hard going to make it that far.
I'm happy with the result in the end.
I was in the middle of fitting them and decided to hold off and upgrade the shocks at the same time, and renew the top mounts. Unexpected, so I'm saving now for shocks (hence my other thread Koni vs Bilstein).
Fingers crossed i'll be ordering at the end of feb.
Keith
Most coil overs don't come with top mounts and use the standard ones, PSS10's are �2500 whereas bilstein B8 and H&R's are �1200.
There might be more choice in the US though.
Most coils I have looked at come with top mounts, granted I am in the US but still. You also get control over much more with coils. If your only within 300 euro or so, it might be worth it.
Coilovers are overrated and unneeded to the 75% of the people that have them IMO.
BTW, I'm one of those that probably don't "need" the GT3 CO's that I have. In my case, I wanted a stance in between the ROW and X74 and this was one of the options to achieve that.
Track and Stance freaks only need apply...
Here's mine. It has Cross JIC Magic Coil Overs, which when I purchased the car last November the PO told me it had been lowered but didn't give details. It also has Cross Titanium exhaust system. Can't seem to get photos to upload....... grrrr!
try this:
2004 C4S H&R's on 19" SSR wheels
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No good photos/close ups but here ya go guys. Just picked her up Friday of last week. 99' Fabspeed exhaust and headers, full factory areo and hardback red seats
I believe it is on H&R springs and Bilstein Coilovers. I know Bilsteins for fact, as I saw the yellow and Bilstein logo. The ride is surprisingly great for the crappy roads in Michigan.
Man, that is the sweet spot for me. Looks perfect, bravo.
Do you have other angle pic ?
Do you mind telling how much it is lowered and if you have wheel spacers on it ?
^^^ Is that radiator duct functional and the does the center radiator get ducted strictly towards the one on the hood or is it split up between the hood duct and bumper duct? Did you close off the lower ducts in the belly pan? Better yet, are you even running a center radiator?
I'm a sucker for CCW10 wheels.
Fuh Raze!!!
The turbo is lower than the C2. I rolled the turbo's fenders with the 997TT wheels, spacers and that ride height. The C2's fenders are not rolled.
The turbo has 15mm spacers all around.
The C2 had 15mm spacers at the front, but the turbo stole them.
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I went really low with my last 996c2; K-Sport coilovers, rolled fenders and dropped it until the rears tucked:
Thanks! I used the generic preload settings in the instructions with the Ohlins. Floor to fender I'm at 25" front and 25 1/4" rear.
7mm spacers front and 15mm spacers rear. I'll get some more pics once my aftermarket wheels are back from powdercoating.
You're right, scraping does happen at this height with steeper driveways. For the most part I've gotten accustomed to the ideal approach angle. I can still take speedbumps straight on thankfully.
Thanks for the reply.
Do the tires rub against the wheel arches?
Because that would worry me more than scraping speed bumps.
I'll be looking out for the pther pics, but i really like the original wheels.
Cheers
Here's mine on 19's. It's a widebody, but lowered on coilovers, 15mm spacers all around:
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Ohlins R&T set per instructions:
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Ended up raising it around 20mm because it was just too low for our crappy roads
Thanks! Do you have any issues with scraping in the front? How do you like the Ohlins set up? I'm leaning toward H&R Street Performance coilovers which should give that much drop.
Your car looks great.
Thanks, the lower lip on the front does scrape occasionally. I may raise the perches a turn all the way around the next time I have the wheels off. The Ohlins have pretty high spring rates and it does have an aggressive ride. I would like the spring rates a little softer for a mostly street driven car.
Hi Mlee2122 and Turnstile,
Your cars look great! Do you have the H&R street performance coilovers? What is your ride height? How do you like the feel of your suspension? I am leaning in that direction.
thanks,
Jim
Jim, yes it's the street performance coilovers. mine is set at 25.5", it was the lowest ride height that i could set without adjustable lower control arms.....set with rear -1.2 degree camber and front -0.7 degree camber. it's a good ride height.... can crawl over most speed bumps without scrapping but low enough not to have too much wheel gap. Had it low as 24.5" but had too much camber and was starting to wear out the rear tires.
Rides firm but not harsh. I've taken long trips without discomfort. Even the wife thinks it's acceptable. the shock dampers do a great job of softening the bumps and keeping things from being harsh. you'll like the coilovers.
Thanks. Like Mlee I also have the Street Performance coil-overs. Im not sure of the exact ride height but it is quite low. Though I haven't had any problems with clearance. The streets here in Los Angeles are dreadful, and the ride can be rough with the tire setup. I think I will be going with 30 or 35 sidewalls on the next set of tires, and will raise the ride height slightly to accommodate. I purchased the car a few months back with the current setup, which included new tires so I'll deal with the ride quality for now.
Pic in my signature is from when I bought the car, H&R springs and stock shocks. Loved the look, but as a DC daily driver it was just too low and harsh - the latter partly attributable to the front shocks being knackered.
Swapped the whole lot for a Euro M030 setup and am delighted with the result. Still preferred the lower look on the H&Rs though.
Vdubjetta02 - might I respectfully suggest you consider some wheel spacers? To compensate for the offset difference with the Carrera III rims I added 7mm at the back 15mm at the front - after the sig pic was taken - and vastly prefer the look.
I pretty much like all ride heights. After being lowered and going back to stock though it looks like a 4x4 rally car until you get used to again. But the nice thing is I have a rough road on the way home that I can take the 996 on with stock shocks. But it's too rough and I bottom out too much on lowered coilovers of any kind.
thanks...I'm really happy with the outcome !
I had been given the spring/strut set up from Randy as a whole. So after I got home and did my due diligence, I had found there to be nothing bad said about the vogtlands and decided to try them out. Can't speak for H&Rs as I've never had then, but so far I'm quite happy with what I've been given.
Build 12/97, on some kind of super-low techarts with B8's. I have some Vogtlands on order since I get a lot of scraping on speed bumps and I want to add some spacers but it is too low.
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