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You can just deactivate it, but I’d want to know the insurance implications before I did.

Another reason why I'm going to stick with my 992 forever.

DMC2 said: Another reason why I'm going to stick with my 992 forever. GTS 4.O in my case or buy the cheapest/ slowest car on sale , why would you buy anything else?

Depends how it works functionally - if its fully proactive/reactive to GPS and camera inputs, it would be easily defeat able with a piece of tape over the camera lens and/or disconnecting the antenna? But as per your link if it can be overridden using the loud pedal, it all seems a bit pointless anyways. I'd much rather be aware / have displayed at all times what the speed limit of the road I'm on, and decide my own speed than have an autonomous 'dumb' system decide for me. Who are these people trying to nanny?, if the logic is people not being aware of the speed limit, give them that information and let them choose whether to ignore or adhere...

How would this work with UK cars on the mainland or EU cars in the UK?

Sounds like it will be pretty hazardous if the only way to over ride is as stated by pressing the accelerator hard to the floor! Imagine that in a high performance car!

marky911 said: You can just deactivate it, but I’d want to know the insurance implications before I did. Do you think you’re not insured if you exceed the speed limit then?

Wow. That is some serious brakist brainwashing.

cc3 said: Sounds like it will be pretty hazardous if the only way to over ride is as stated by pressing the accelerator hard to the floor! Imagine that in a high performance car! Easily sorted by the ECU that sits between the driver and the throttle

marky911 said: You can just deactivate it, but I’d want to know the insurance implications before I did. seriously?

I am sure it would be so much better if it worked the other way so that the 45 everywhere brigade slowed down for the appropriate limits and actually got somewhere near a sensible speed for those wide open, clear sunny warm roads where 60 is slow. The whole thing feels like a very bonkers solution to a not particularly big problem. Nanny state on steroids

supersport said: I am sure it would be so much better if it worked the other way so that the 45 everywhere brigade slowed down for the appropriate limits and actually got somewhere near a sensible speed for those wide open, clear sunny warm roads where 60 is slow. The whole thing feels like a very bonkers solution to a not particularly big problem. Nanny state on steroids If we think ICE engined cars are going to be bad with such technology fitted, wait until we're all driving around in electric cars ... Every time you charge the car, I suspect "they" will dictate that ALL its data will be downloaded automatically : Where you've been, when you went there, how fast you travelled, where you stopped, how many people were in the car, were their seat belts fastened, did you take the most economic route etc etc. Charging will be by the mile driven, parking charges, ULEZ charges ... What did you say ? Surely they'll be a thing of the past once you're driving an electric car ? All will be levied automatically, ditto parking fines/speeding fines, paid in Bitcoin (or whatever those in power dictate the digital currency will be) If anyone thinks electric cars will be the panacea they're being made out to be ... Regrettably, as a nation, we seem remarkably ambivalent about all this stuff

My guess will be that sport mode or other such button/fiddling with a touchscreen for 10 mins will disable it, just like you can disable lane departure warnings and all that stuff. But needs to be done after start every time.

Slippydiff said: If we think ICE engined cars are going to be bad with such technology fitted, wait until we're all driving around in electric cars ... Every time you charge the car, I suspect "they" will dictate that ALL its data will be downloaded automatically : Where you've been, when you went there, how fast you travelled, where you stopped, how many people were in the car, were their seat belts fastened, did you take the most economic route etc etc. Charging will be by the mile driven, parking charges, ULEZ charges ... What did you say ? Surely they'll be a thing of the past once you're driving an electric car ? All will be levied automatically, ditto parking fines/speeding fines, paid in Bitcoin (or whatever those in power dictate the digital currency will be) If anyone thinks electric cars will be the panacea they're being made out to be ... Regrettably, as a nation, we seem remarkably ambivalent about all this stuff sadly it's not just "as a nation" - I very much suspect that this is a thing across the whole of the West. Those that enjoy driving/drive for pleasure will slowly (or not so slowly) be pushed out (similar to smokers and meat-eaters)

My Tiguan already does this. The car knows the speed limits from the gps position and traffic sign recognition, if I enter a slower speed limit and the active cruise control is on, the car slows down to the new slower limit. GPS is simplex (one way) communication, the car doesn’t transmit its speed to the satellite or anyone else.

Yet more dumbing down for the driver. Won't be long before asleep at the wheel accidents start going up. TX.

DodgyGeezer said: How would this work with UK cars on the mainland or EU cars in the UK? There’s this thing called GPS so the car knows which country it’s in and can work out if the signs are miles or km’s. Decent systems can even read gantry signs in addition to roadside ones. Ignoring the automatic aspect of this sign recognition has been around for a decade now and adaptive cruise linked to traffic, signs and GPS for nearly as long. The new rules really don’t need any new magic tech to be developed. Just the ECU software to be slightly modified.

DMC2 said: Another reason why I'm going to stick with my 992 forever. Yep, me too

Wondered about this. I usually pick up my cars at the factory (North American spec) and drive them for a while in Europe before export. The EU requirement is not going to happen any time soon on this side of the pond, so presumably that would mean I would have a non-limited car for my pickup and track days.

RDMcG said: Wondered about this. I usually pick up my cars at the factory (North American spec) and drive them for a while in Europe before export. The EU requirement is not going to happen any time soon on this side of the pond, so presumably that would mean I would have a non-limited car for my pickup and track days. All you need to do to override it is press the accelerator or not use cruise control. There’s no big brother element at all. It’s a story about nothing.

b0rk said: There’s this thing called GPS so the car knows which country it’s in and can work out if the signs are miles or km’s. Decent systems can even read gantry signs in addition to roadside ones. Ignoring the automatic aspect of this sign recognition has been around for a decade now and adaptive cruise linked to traffic, signs and GPS for nearly as long. The new rules really don’t need any new magic tech to be developed. Just the ECU software to be slightly modified. As someone working in this space I can only say you have it very wrong thinking it is a simple task to add ISA to a vehicle. In theory yes, in practice it’s a lot harder than you think. The vehicle manufacturers have been pushing it back with the EU stating they can’t even get close to 85% accurate and when you have a system that will compulsorily limit the speed of the vehicle this is simply not going to be good enough. Can they do better - of course! But to get a system that actually is accurate over 95% of the time is a very difficult feat indeed. It requires a lot of work to initially get to that accuracy level and will then take significant ongoing work to maintain as councils are constantly changing and lowering their speed limits and the map companies are a long way behind the curve.

paralla said: RDMcG said: Wondered about this. I usually pick up my cars at the factory (North American spec) and drive them for a while in Europe before export. The EU requirement is not going to happen any time soon on this side of the pond, so presumably that would mean I would have a non-limited car for my pickup and track days. All you need to do to override it is press the accelerator or not use cruise control. There’s no big brother element at all. It’s a story about nothing. That's the way it will be introduced, so as to soften up the 'sceptic'. In a later update, no doubt it will not be possible to override it. Cars up to 2021 are going to remain very much in demand.

Guybrush said: That's the way it will be introduced, so as to soften up the 'sceptic'. In a later update, no doubt it will not be possible to override it. Cars up to 2021 are going to remain very much in demand. Exactly. The legislation was heavily watered down and the manufacturers need to collect data for 5 years on usage with the aim towards tightening it up further to no-override able. They also don’t need every car on the road to have this technology / there becomes a tipping point where eventually there are enough cars with the technology to keep the speed down for all drivers in most circumstances. Kind of like following caravans in Norfolk - you overtake one and round the bend is another one. Edited by Shiverman on Saturday 21st August 08:54

The proposed legislation doesn’t require a data connection from the car. Without a way to transmit data from the car there’s no way for any authority to know if you have overridden the system.

Shiverman said: They also don’t need every car on the road to have this technology / there becomes a tipping point where eventually there are enough cars with the technology to keep the speed down for all drivers in most circumstances. Kind of like following caravans in Norfolk - you overtake one and round the bend is another one. now that is an interesting point I'd not considered - I guess the question in that case is what sort of percentage is the tipping point?

DodgyGeezer said: Shiverman said: They also don’t need every car on the road to have this technology / there becomes a tipping point where eventually there are enough cars with the technology to keep the speed down for all drivers in most circumstances. Kind of like following caravans in Norfolk - you overtake one and round the bend is another one. now that is an interesting point I'd not considered - I guess the question in that case is what sort of percentage is the tipping point? It sounds like herd immunity......

DodgyGeezer said: now that is an interesting point I'd not considered - I guess the question in that case is what sort of percentage is the tipping point? I think from memory the numbers were around a third of vehicles with ISA to slow the general flow to the posted speed limit.

Shiverman said: DodgyGeezer said: now that is an interesting point I'd not considered - I guess the question in that case is what sort of percentage is the tipping point? I think from memory the numbers were around a third of vehicles with ISA to slow the general flow to the posted speed limit. Need a big powered older car then to overtake 5 of these dawdlers at once! TX.

Id rather not drive tbh the loss of ice then this- what a load of rubbish forced on us by the eu nanny state!!!

svracers said: Id rather not drive tbh the loss of ice then this- what a load of rubbish forced on us by the eu nanny state!!! That we don’t even belong to any more….

The motor industry - certainly in Germany - is obviously s t at lobbying. For the volume manufacturers this won't matter, but for Porsche? What's the point in their brand any more if this goes ahead?

You can turn it off or you can override it and nobody knows you’ve done so. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/intell...

So all the new Police cars have this feature too? Awesome!

Surely on a Porsche it’ll be an option that you can only spec if you get x, y and z also. Remember for most people Porsches don’t come with a steering wheel, seats, wheels, various bits of trim, or even a stereo. These all need to be specced. Also the ride height is wrong as standard, so you have to pay extra to drop it 1cm to the correct height.

Grantstown said: Surely on a Porsche it’ll be an option that you can only spec if you get x, y and z also. Remember for most people Porsches don’t come with a steering wheel, seats, wheels, various bits of trim, or even a stereo. These all need to be specced. Also the ride height is wrong as standard, so you have to pay extra to drop it 1cm to the correct height. Porsche does some good standard stuff. I can tell you that every single Porsche I have bought comes with free interior cabin air.

paralla said: You can turn it off or you can override it and nobody knows you’ve done so. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/intell... But as the piece itself intimate's this may by the case at the start but eventually (guessing 10 years max) you wont be able to so I would say enjoy it while we can