brake pads

Which type of brake pads do you recommend me for my 996, that will be good in performance for DE, but will not be very noisy for driving on the street.

Try a search in the DE/racing forum. There is a lot of info on this. What is your experience level? What tires? Other upgrades? -td

Hi Himself, 2nd. time in DE, only modifications are on the suspension (swaybars, springs & shock absorbers), street tires.

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You may like Pagid Sport pads. Nice balance performance vs. noise,etc. I recently put them on all 4 corners and noticed less pedal effort. However, there is a some squeling from one of them. Also, I had to drill holes for the wear indicator sensor. NEW Pagid "S" or "Sport" - This is a high performance compound with good fading characteristics and high cold friction. The most comfortable medium friction sport compound. The Sport Pad is street legal, rotor friendly and OE on various Ferraris and Corvettes. PAGID "S" Brake Pads are dipped in a anti-corrosion blue paint, with a layer also on the friction surface. This paint coating will disintegrate during the first braking applications without any loss of friction compared to our other non-coated compounds. In addition a majority of the "S" Line come with anti-noise shims. The "S" compound is the PAGID RS 4-2-1.

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I'd be lying if I said the Pagid Yellow Endurance (RS19) don't squeal. It's ridiculous. Although they're more aggressive than normal pads, but less than the outright track Pagid Blacks. I prefer these to the RS44 Orange ones.

For occasional DEs stick to street pads. These brakes are so good you don't need to sacrifice rotor life for a little better braking on the track.

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Why do you need new pads? Are the others gone? Are you not stopping fast enough? Are you overheating the brakes? IMO, the braking system and the tires should be upgraded together. Running an agressive pad with street tires is not a good idea - and likewise, running stock pads with R-comps is not a good idea. If you have other problems with the brakes, maybe we can assist, but as presented, I can't see any real reason for you to upgrade pads. -td

The reason is that on this weekend DE track driving, while in the inspection prior to racing, I was told that I will need to replace my brake pads and resurface the discs if I want to run on the next DE. While at the track, the car was braking perfect without any problem, I also was told that the brakes look OK for street driving. Apparently they have certain brake pad wear restrictions for racing.

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IMO, you should replace with OEM parts - perhaps Porsche sport pads. There is no reason to upgrade to track parts at this stages. And, although you'll be driving fast, it will be far from racing. -td

Maniac, you're exactly right. There are limits for DE's for rotor thickness and pad life which are above the limits for normal street use. It sounds like you should just replace them with new stock pads.

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Why is a more aggressive pad on street tires, "not a good idea"? I don't see anywhere in the OP post where he suggest he is looking at a full on race pad and I don't see any real problems going to a harder pad with street tires (although I would recommend a brake fluid upgrade with a pad upgrade). In my experience you can burn through a new set of stock pads in 2-4 days of DE driving depending on the track even with street tires. A more aggressive pad can greatly extend that life. Maniac make sure you upgrade you brake fluid for DE as I boiled the stock fluid at a DE 6 years ago. FWIW, I use Pagid Blacks on my 986 and I really like these pads but they do exhibit some squeeking noise with street driving. That being said the Blacks are probably a little more aggressive than what you are looking for. I have also used Pagid Orange pads in the past but I would not recommend them as I experienced pronounced pad tranfer with several sets. Good luck with your search.

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I think it is bad advice to advocate upgrading parts to a complete novice. On the track, agressive pads will lock up the tires with less pressure. This makes learning harder and driving harder. The typical novice needs the car to operate correctly and balanced, and has no skill set to fall back on. For an experienced driver, this may not be a concern, but for a 2nd time DEer, I think ANY upgrades to make the car perform better are not a good idea. They won't know anyway -as they have no baseline to compare it to. 2) Track pads are substantially more expensive than street pads, so the OP is wasting money at this point. The OP doesn't need to brake faster, better, harder, modulate better, etc. He needs to learn how to brake, threshhold brake, trail brake, etc., which can be done cheaply with stock parts. 3) When driving on the street, agressive pads are like sandpaper on the rotor, resulting in reduced rotor life. When you are on the track, you have a transfer layer of pad that reduces rotor wear. So you should use track pads on the track - not so much on the street. 4) I think you actually meant softer pad, as a harder one would make braking worse. (Aggressive = softer) Pagid blacks are not harder than pagid yellow. 5) I'm sure there are other reasons, but those are the first ones that popped into my head. Try to remember your 2nd DE. You didn't need upgraded parts to go faster. You needed coaching and seat time. IMO, it is a disservice to tell newbies to go out and upgrade brake pads, rotors, tires, suspension, etc etc without understanding WHY they need new parts. The OP stated his car needed new parts to participate, not that he couldn't stop, not that he was eating pads too fast, not that he was overheating. To me, this means he should still be running stock equipment. Sure, all the track junkies have burned pads in 1 weekend, corded tires, heat cracked rotors, etc. But I haven't ever seen a green student eat a set of pads in their 1st or 2nd time out. Lastly, there is more to braking than just changing pads. The car is a system, and needs similar parts to perform optimally. At a minimum, when you upgrade brake pads, you need to upgrade tires as well, and (typically) vice versa. -td

Second Zookie's recommendation for Porsche sport pads. My wife runs them in the black group with R-compounds and I drive them on the street every day. Not an all out track pad but does both well, especially if you're just starting.

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You're reading a lot into his post that just is not there IMHO. First upgraded pads will cost more, but they'll also last longer. Second, as he stated he's not looking for a full on track pad, he just wants something that will last longer and not squeal. Such a pad would have minimal impact on rotor life or lockup characteristics. There are plenty of mild pads out there that represent just such an improvement over stock and it seems pretty clear that's what he is looking for. As I stated, I think it's far more important for him to upgrade the brake fluid with a pad upgrade. This is more important than worrying about running on street tires at this point (and at DE #2 it is too soon to worry about upgrading the rubber). Sorry, I see a mild pad upgrade as no big deal so I'll agree to disagree.

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Read statements below. I asked what his experience level was, and my reply to his original question(s) was: I clearly recommended not to upgrade pads and NOT to get R-comps or Pagid Blacks or Oranges, etc. I really believe you understood and knew what I meant by "agressive pads." As a fellow track junky, I'm fairly certain that we are all on the same page with respect to "performance parts" and "aggressive pads." In fact, your suggestion of "mild pads" confirms this. You are saying the same thing (don't upgrade to "performance" parts) just in a different way. I'm not sure why you decided to call me out on this one. Maybe it's just Monday. No worries. Again, I don't think he needs to upgrade anything for his 2nd DE. Maybe, just maybe, you actually read too much into MY posts... -td

problem with Porsche's sports pads is that they are noisy on the street... I have them and they are great for track but when cold... squeal like a pig!... though they seem to have lessen.

LOL, nice backpedal I love the creative highlight of this "Which type of brake pads do you recommend me for my 996, that will be good in performance for DE , but will not be very noisy for driving on the street." But not this "Which type of brake pads do you recommend me for my 996, [B]that will be good in performance for DE, but will not be very noisy for driving on the street. " If you can tell me which "aggressive pads" you are refering to that will not be noisy I'd love to hear about them. Hell I'd probably buy some. From what I read the OP is not looking for a heavy track pad, just a "good" pad to improvement performance over stock that won't squeal. As I said I see no issue running such a pad on street tires and nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise. I will agree to disagree.

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Completely agree. There are VERY few people who need to be thinking about performance upgrades to their car after one DE. Upgrade the driver first. Worry about the car later.

seriously. What? Back on aggressive pad? My suggestion was not to upgrade anything. I give up. You can run whatever you want on your car, ray. I'm not trying to convince you to do squat. Earlier, you asked why I thought something, to which I gave my opininion. Then you decided to pick a fight about it. Whatever. I really believe you know what I meant and understood what I said, but decided to mince words and argue about it. Not sure what I did, but sorry it offended you. C'est la vie. I don't need bickering just so you can have an excuse to "agree to disagree." I think you add value to the forum, I just don't have the time or energy to deal with nonsense and twisting my statements just to troll for responses. So, no offense, I'm blocking you. Anyway, the cool part is, now you're joining my Benjamin Choi list. Yikes! Best to you. -td

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Nice, so much for a civil discussion. Bye bye....

Hmmm, much different opinions here... https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...boxster-s.html

thanks guys very good suggestions!!

In the proverbial nutshell: Yellows: Squeal quite a bit for street use. #1 for track use. Black: High friction, squealy on street, great bit, more rotor wear than Yellow or Orange Orange: Usually markedly less noise thant the above two. Lighter dust, less cost, great pad for beg/int track usage. Call me: [phone removed] and I can elaborate on usages for any purpose.

I've had good luck with Carbotech's XP8 pads on other cars (getting them for the 911 soon). I use it for the street as well. It makes a little noise when it's colder outside, but not much if any when it's summertime. Anything more agressive in the Carbotech line will make a lot of noise on the street.

To continue on the friendly portion of this thread I am currently running Hawks HP's with Sumi's. I do 3-4 DE's a year and leave the pads on year round. My car is a daily driver. I don't have brake squeal but the wheels get dusty now and than depending on how you are driving. I had Pagids on my '86 Carrera. Blacks in front and orange in back or vice versa (don't remember). Those worked extremeley well but ate my rotors. Granted 13 years of technology separated the cars though. Either way whatever you do......new pads are better than old ones.

i did oem sport pads/stoptech braided lines/ate fluid/gt3 ducts and am very happy. the pads were quiet, then sqeaked some for a period, then the squeek went away completely.

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i have the hawk ceramic on mine. i put them on last summer and seem to work great. just about the same as stock for braking distance and feel, but virtually no dust. i imagine since they're ceramic composite that there's less heat and greater fade resistance than stock.

Hi, I just ordered the Porsche Sport pads from Suncoast. Was thinking about just swapping out for DE (I run in white, will probably be in black soon), but how are they on street and how rough on rotors if I just leave 'em on? Also, any particular bedding-in for these? Thanks for the help!

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update: did rears with the oem sport pads after the fronts (see previous post). the rears have been a pain in the azz with the squeeking which isn't constant, but occurs daily at a certain pressure/speed. i thought a track day might fix it. nope. won't put them on the rear again. maybe not at all. the squeeking is really annoying as it's my dd.

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They are fine on the streets, new pads will squeal, but after awhile it will go away (maybe 5k-6k miles, with a few DE). They are not harsh on the rotors at all.... and the brake dust is less than stock but still present. I leave mine on.

fwiw, i boiled my ate blue and glazed my rotors using those pads all the way around (plus braided lines, and gt3 ducts) on an average temp day at laguna seca. aside from the daily squeel from the rears, they do grip!

I have the Porsche sports pads for dd as well. They don't squeal at all except first time you use the brake in a cold morning (50F) only. I use the factory anti-squeal dampers all around so maybe those help.

Thanks, everyone, I will give them a try for dd/DE. BTW, I only run flat-out in my Konigsegg for my Twitter followers. I just can't convince those head instructors to put me in red!

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Good come back I went with Carbotech X16 (RP2) last year after the Hawk's went. Worked great for me. Use these only for DE. I need to look you up on the tweet. Keep us posted on how your pads and DE's go.

1 more question for folks. I intend to try running Porsche sport pads all the time. I am thinking of going without the dampers to reduce heat, etc. Anyone got an opinion on with/without the dampers? Pedal feel, pad fit? Thanks! Bill

I dont use dampers.... I prefer it, that is prob where I get my squeal (esp cold).... but have lesson alot and dont even notice it.

Thanks, I just did a forum search on this as well (shoulda done that first). Also Van has advised me re these things as well. Will try going w/o. If too bad on the street will try reusing the old ones if in OK shape, or bite the bullet from some new ones.

Dump the dampers, most do.