my experience IMS fail ???

Hello Guys I am new I wanted to share my experience with you : I own a 996 C2 year 2000 114000 km I know the problems of reliability of this model for the engine, Then to prevent this problem IMS FAIL I have on the crankcase a magnetic plug AND I performs an oil change and drain Every 3000 km, With oil filter check. Everything went well for 2 years, Last week at this check up I found particles of iron on the magnet And in the filter oil... I am in the process of organizing its transport To go to the garage for diag I will keep you informed.... If my experience to serve others. My only worry is that the oil is filled Of small iron particle Which are going all over the engine ...

It's a good plan you have there, changing and checking the oil regularly, btw I am doing the same on my '00 996. Do you have pics to share with us on the particles in the filter and Mag-plug? I think we all want to see what they look like and how big they are, for reference and that could help others in similar situations. Thanks for sharing your experiences... Hope it's nothing serious yet, Cheers.

If your oil looks like brown metal flake paint, I think you've got a problem...

You are proceeding correctly. Please keep us posted! Bill

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Maybe its not the IMSB, and it looks like you caught it before it scattered parts.. I have said it many times before.... Just paying attention to the oil and filter is better than nothing, but it simply is not enough.

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Jake, any chance you have a writeup somewhere of the additional proactive stuff that you are referencing above, ie stuff you think owners should be doing above oil changes and lab testing?

You did everything right. The point of your actions was not to prevent an IMS failure, but to pick it up early enough that you didn't have a catastrophic failure. Worst case scenario, you still saved yourself thousands of dollars.

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page 1 http://www.flat6innovations.com/inde...l=&limitstart= page 2 http://www.flat6innovations.com/inde...owall=&start=1 First you need to identify what these are and then research these using tools like this website, Google and online forums that you can access through the "links" page of this site here. http://www.flat6innovations.com/comp...tent/article/2 After you have a thorough understanding of the failures associated with the engine, you can understand our recommendations listed below much better. Things to do: Upgrade the IMS bearing within the engine. This is first and foremost in overall importance as the IMS Bearing failure is the #1 issue that has killed so many M96 engines. We are the Inventors of the IMS Solution, read more about it at www.theimssolution.com . Then have the same hands that developed it, install the technology into your engine, right here at Flat 6 Innovations. Read more about the IMS Retrofit procedure and IMS bearing failures here http://www.flat6innovations.com/serv...haft-retrofit- Replace the water pump, water pumps can fail silently and lead to cracked heads! Replace the water pump no matter how many miles are on your car, as time in service kills the plastic impeller blades of the pump, not miles!! Water pumps are cheap insurance, if a water pump creates a cracked head and intermixed coolant and oil exist the costs can be over 15,000.00 for repair -Replace vario-cam wear pads and the 4th and 5th timing chains at 40K miles if your car is an 01 or earlier 996 or an 02 or earlier Boxster. - Replace the engine's Air/ oil separator, its a cheap part that can keep you from going up in a cloud of smoke while cruising down the highway at 55 MPH. - Don't become caught up in anyone's ploy to dictate the engine oil thats best for your engine. Over time other oils have been developed that we have found to be more superior than what the mmanufacturer would have recommended when your car was new. We have a biased opinion on this topic, so please don't ask us for an oil recommendation! We have worked with Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oil to develop an application specific offering of engine oil just for the M96/M97 engine. Its called "DT40", so just buy it and know that it solved many problems in the development of it. Since 2006 we have worked to develop the best engine oil for our engines and until 2012 this wasn't offered to the general public. Each and EVERY Flat 6 Innovations engine is required to utilize this oil. The controversy related to other oil recommendations is something my company avoids completely. When you buy a new Porsche, they recommend Mobil 1, but when you buy my engine I'll tell you to avoid that offering completely. - If your engine is more than three years old it probably has dirty timing chain tensioners, don't use engine flushes to solve them, have the tensioners removed, cleaned or replaced. - Don't ignore engine noises or oil leaks, no matter how small they may be. Engines are not noisy, if they are noisy they have issues that could lead to catastrophic failure if ignored. - Choose a proper facility to care for your Porsche and it's engine that is often misunderstood and not cared or properly -Remove the engine's sump plate and inspect it for debris every 10,000 miles.. Also use oil analysis to help create trend data concerning the life of your engine. - If you think you are having an engine failure STOP!! Shut the engine off and do not attempt to re-start it without it first being evaluated by an M96 engine specialist. Just because a shop works on Porsches, doesn't mean they are qualified to work on or that they understand your M96. Do not attempt to drive the car home or to a shop to avoid a tow bill, because doing so can cost you 15,000.00+ if the failure goes tick..tick..BOOM! Many of these engines are "driven to death" by owners who wish to save a 2-300.00 tow bill and end up costing themselves over ten thousand dollars or more. THERE ARE NO "GOOD" ENGINE NOISES! -If you research the issues, update the components and understand the symptoms you can avoid catastrophic failure and enjoy your Porsche in the way it was intended for years. -Don't ever think that "it can't happen to me" because it can and it does. We know what the strengths and weaknesses of this engine are from dealing with the same issues over and over again and seeing the same failures so often that we can diagnose failures over thephone in most cases. We'd be happy to help create a pre-failure course of action for your Porsche and apply updates as required for your year and model. When its too late; it really is too late. Jake Raby President, Raby Enterprises Inc.

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MUCH APPRECIATED! Thanks!

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I read stuff like this and wonder why I ever even bought the damn thing. Then I go for a drive and it all goes out the window.

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exactly what I was thinking!

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Same.. thought I was the smart kid on the block after buying mine with a good ims plan. Slowly realized that wasn't the case, but the reward has been more than anticipated. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, this'll be a bright spot in my time on this blue ball.

Thanks for reminding me of how stupid it is to write things like that. It'll be deleted by Monday, along with everything else that I have written that can make you "wonder why you bought the damn thing". So much for sharing advanced technical information. Edit: To hell with it, I killed the links tonight.

I think engines failing left & right is the issue, not educational content posted on a maintenance thread. edit: jeebus, someone posts your content with accurate credits & you take the page down? You understand the problem with 996 buyers is ignorance, not fear, right? Incredibly obtuse/shallow perspective.

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^^Hahahahahah^^ But what about "The Book" ? "edit: jeebus, someone posts your content with accurate credits & you take the page down? You understand the problem with 996 buyers is ignorance, not fear, right? Incredibly obtuse/shallow perspective." ^^I think it's because when he writes something like that (Trying to be helpful) he gets accused of being a self serving/hyping/promoting fear monger - because that's how people react to that type of information...

Exactly.

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So tough guy marine is scared of being called a meany, therefore, time invested in learning is siloed within the walls of FSI & attempts to share that info with those that do care will be silenced. And the hordes will continue in their ignorant ways, only to call FSI when the inevitable fit hits the shan. Savior complex... thou must worship at thy altar, lest ye be dispatched into the wilderness

When you put years of effort into learning things, then share them for free, it sucks when people make smart *** remarks. I can't stand a smart ***, I don't put up with them in person, and I won't here, either. People suck.

You're being a baby. Your data helps people. But no, let's hide the research. Squirrel it away - no, take down the site! All this interference has the side benefit of siloing your knowledge within your walls. The only way to get it is to suck your teet. You have perhaps the biggest savior comlex I've seen. It's less that people suck, and more that some people don't have the maturity to interact with others. Sometimes that's me on the wrong side, but fknA - posting helpful content for a newbie & you react like that.

Who else has trained over 1400 damn humans how to assemble these engines? How can you even consider saying that I am squirreling information away, when I have had people come within these walls and bolt engines together for more than a decade under my direct supervision, and direction? Entitled people suck more than the rest.

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Because you took down a web page after someone shared its (relevant) contents in a maintenance thread? You contribute more to the m96 world than any other single person alive. Act like a leader, not a scared paper boy. Autistic people are harder to interact with than the rest. Own your **** & act like a man.

So, what the hell is that supposed to mean?

You're not entitled to what I know about the limitations I referenced earlier. Pay me $400 per hour for a session.

Answer my question directly. What was your basis for the statement concerning Autism? You stated it, answer for it. Isn't that the "advice" that you just gave me? Don't be a baby.

Why make things personal. This should be about cars!

jake ....stop arguing with a tinkerbell/hair dresser......she is having a mid-life

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^Oh geez^ Tony Two Bags is a shrink... nuff said

He sure got quiet awful quick.

Despite career success that has gone far beyond your own expectations, you're uncomfortable with your position as a leader in a social context. You lack the ability to sift between dangerous and innocuous situations, which puts you in a challenging position on the internet, where people are limited to the written word - in abbreviated form. You make rash decisions based on juvenile impulses of emotion, sometimes in the course of harmless interactions like the one above. This irrational behavior is immediately hidden behind bold statements about the character of man - or lack thereof. When in reality, the chest puffing is just an attempt to obscure the foolishness of what just transpired. I can only surmise that your extremely high level of functioning and specialized skill, when coupled with the emotional disposition of a teenager, reflects a sharp delta in learning ability. It fits the pattern I've observed personally among adults with autism. I've also witnessed your allusion to poor performance in school as reflecting some similar, underlying issue. This might be a critical view, but it wasnt' without prompting. I don't respect your childish antics, and didn't intend to go down this road with you. But when you start mocking those that challenge you just because, it becomes more a matter of your discretion than mine. *not a shrink, just a stubborn basterd

You've told me what I've known since the 3rd grade..... It wasn't Autism back then, nobody knew what the hell that was. Its why I spent my school years in Special Education. And its why I can tell you to kiss my *** without giving a damn. And its not a disability, it is an ABILITY, and it is WHY I am where I am today. The only thing I fear is ever being normal.

There but before the grace of the special mechanic, goes Rennlist Except that you *do* give a damn. People that don't give a damn don't find themselves on html editor at 1am, scrambling to take down an FAQ web page that potentially could have been used by a meany to say un-nice things about you.

WOW! Car forum here! I'm sure the American Psychological Association has a blog/forum. NO-ONE IS PERFECT!

Let it go let it go. I cant stop signing this... Back to our regular programming. What oil do you recommend?

"*not a shrink, just a stubborn basterd" A stubborn bastard who can't spell, yet feels compelled to psychoanalyze people on a forum...Do us all a favor and keep the analysis to 996's please? We can make our own judgments on why Jake (or anyone else for that matter) acts the way he does. This is supposed to a be a technical forum

Wow, I did not intend my offhand comment to set off a flame war. Nor was I trying to implicate I believe Jake is a fear mongerer. By "things like this" I didn't even mean only Jake's specific posts, I meant in general - there are plenty of other things written about these cars that might steer a less adventurous person away from them.

The page has been re-published. For most people creating the content would be the challenge. For me, creating it isn't a problem at all. Sharing it is the problem. That is my problem- not that of the forum.

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Congrats and thank you for stepping up Jake! It sounds like it was somewhat of a "hurdle" for you. It's much appreciated

Holy **** Show...A good reality show this forum would make!

BTW- I come from a long line of fear mongers.. I found this advertisement when researching my Grandfather who owned an electrical and machine shop in the early 1900s. "Don't let that boat lay down on you in the gulf". Good thing the Internet wasn't around then! Here's some favorites too from 1913.

^ That's pretty cool!

So much information here. So...Raby was the inspiration for Jesse in F&F? Now it all makes sense. You Tube

Yah, That $hit

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I have t-shirts I have personally designed that read... "Every day I become more and more embarrassed to be part of the human race." Glad to send you some for you and the boys...if this fits your outlook on life....

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^^A trending line of thought among those wholly ignorant of history. Meanwhile, in the land of reason: Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto &/or What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

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Cogito ergo sum.

Tempus fugit 🙈 You Tube

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Jake, I've been nothing but impressed with your knowledge and expertise in everything I've seen from you - whether its in this forum, on BaT or elsewhere. You and your company are the reason why I've felt comfortable considering a 996 in the past and may buy one in the future. As far as I'm concerned you are a primary reason these cars have increased in popularity and are starting to appreciate in value. Your technical knowledge, ability to solve hard problems and the impact you've made for 1000's of owners is what matters. Communication foibles happen and can be corrected, don't worry about it.

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Absolutely!! We will take them, and wear them with pride! I think my problem lies in the fact that I was born at least 50 years late. My feelings are more in line with that of my dad, probably because he raised me by himself after my mom passed away. He was 45 when I was born, and from the time I was 13 I was already in business, having built my first Porsche (914) engine for a paying customer... From the time I was 10, I was dealing with tenants at our rental properties, collecting rent, and kicking people out if they didn't pay... I learned early on about liars, thieves, and cheaters. I was taught to do business with hundred dollar bills, look a man in the eye, and have a real handshake. I was taught to cower to no man, and that the only way around trouble was straight through the damn middle of it. Anyway, thats more for a story that may be written down the road. Thank you. I could do much, much more of this. Each time I consider it, I lose the inspiration when I remember what happens with the fall out.Then we have to consider the copy cats, and the cut/paste mafia who are the reason why I really haven't updated my site since 2011. No real need to, as we stay too busy as it is. At times I have been temped to pull the whole thing down and replace it with one page that only has our contact info and says "Engine blown up? Call us". Thats because I hate the image side of things. The whole blingy, advertisy feel of these other guys makes me feel like they are less than experienced slimeballs, and thats exactly what the majority have proven to be. In the Porsche world affording a big ad (even if it goes on a credit card, because you really can't afford it) gives people a fake impression that you are the man, and that you are successful, and deserve their work. Thats just like campaigning a race car... That also gives people a false impression that you know how to solve their engine problems- just because you can run around in circles, waste gas, and burn up tires. If I had a dollar from every time I hear "My mechanic races Porsches", and then he ends up being a hack that has no idea what he is doing with an M96. My wife currently holds 4 Land Speed records in a N/A 996, but none of you knew that- because its absolutely irrelevant to what we do here. At the end of the day it really doesn't mean a damn thing to anyone other than my family. People today are followers. They want someone to sign something, maybe the dash of their car. Recently a car came here that had Magnus Walker sign the dash, and I just shook my head about what this has all come to. I hope the owner of that car doesn't ask me to sign the dash, too. Like I said, I probably started this game of life about 50 years to late. Hell, maybe 100 years too late! I have to find the outlets that allow me to share experiences with the least amount of "after taste" possible. Thats not easy, because people want a "hero", or something, and "who" says something is more important to them than what is being said. Let's just say that today's Porsche world isn't the one I grew up in.

Humans have always been followers. Your view on history seems to ignore, well, history. 100 years ago legions of 'non-followers' were getting ready to participate in the greatest equity market bubble & crash in human history. Which was followed by the rise of post-WWI, reactionary nationalism in Western Europe & attendant crowd following among the German electorate. The underlying phenomenon of following has its roots in positive and negative feedback loops, which impact social interaction, language mutation, financial markets, and countless natural phenomena. Humans don't change all that much. The wise thing to do is to not let the fools derail you from your purpose. If that purpose is to share knowledge with this forum, why the angst over 'cut & paste mafia' sharing your findings? Would you prefer that rennlisters not read your site? The inconsistency with which you manage yourself on the forum is the main driver of animus towards you. Alternating between dismissive condescension & irrational obfuscation doesn't have a damn thing to do with protecting your business. It's just nonsense in your head, and nobody else's. Do what you do, stand tall, and forget anyone that tries to undermine you. It'll never work &, as a consequence, isn't worth your time.

Including you?

If everyone would just install an LS motor We wouldn't have these problems. LOL. I'll shut up now!!!

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Yes, but not how you think. Your autism needs to be managed, not spit out on everyone around you. This kerfuffle started with you getting emotional about someone sharing your web page. You thought you were being undermined, but that's because you act like a pu55y when people that actually want to undermine you speak up. Stop being g a pu55y and you'll get into fewer emotional meltdowns.

You've just about pissed me off with that last response. For the better of everyone I'll put you on ignore, and suggest that you do the same to me. Remember, its best if I forget everyone who tries to undermine me. Done.

It burns cuz its true. And you know it.

Wow, that escalated fast. Let's keep it to the cars.

Guys, everyone needs to take a step back and not inflame an already contentious thread. No name calling, please. Closing this thread for a bit.

Opening this thread back up under the assumption that everyone is going to be civil and level-headed. No name calling. Might be best for all parties to be more objective and measured. Thanks, guys.

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What ever happened to the OP, anyway?

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I've been told that fear usually elicits one of two reactions, fight or flight. My guess is he chose the later. That's what I would have done...Are you suggesting something else?

ok , I see that this forum Is very alive ok pictures : The car arrives today in the repairer for diagnostic... I do not have any regrets, this car to give a lot fun. If repair costs are too high I do not think I have to repair the engine But already bought a reliable (fix IMS) and reconditioned engine

Oooooo... that looks bad. Can't wait to see photo's of the internals

I'm with dporto on this one. Watching, learning and eager to see the internals.

My drain pan looked like that once, and I about had a stroke. My pan was full of silver and copper glitter. 30 or so of the longest seconds of my life later, I remembered I'd recently ground off some stainless bolts and sawed through some copper stock on the same bench where I store that oil pan. Is there ANY chance that the debris was introduced accidentally? It's hard to tell for sure, but it sure looks like a mound of ferric debris on the drain plug, plus some copper-colored sparkly bits in the oil. If so, man...sorry. These are the times that try men's souls. By "try men's souls," I mean "resist the urge to fill it up with clean oil and drive it to CarMax." Please don't be one of those guys. There is a special place in hell for the people who dump their problems on the next guy down the road under the guise of "I sold it to an evil corporation, so it doesn't even MATTER that the person who actually got screwed is the poor SOB who spent more money than he had to just so he could be a reliable used car from a reputable dealer." For those "Max Attackers" out there (thanks for that one, Raby), justice will be sudden and severe. Someday in the afterlife you might be sitting there peacefully taking care of business prior to your morning ablutions...and then the seat will grow tentacles to hold you down as the toilet itself turns into a lava bidet. You know, or something. Good luck...

IIRC the OP - the current owner bought the car in this condition fully expecting to rebuild/replacer the engine. If I'm mistaken, I apologize in advance if I'm correct, I'm still looking forward to what the rest of the internals look like...

yes Dear Porto I bought this 996 informed, no regrets I had a lot of fun with. for me the engine of the 996 is consumable (5% total failure for this IMS problem on the web I think this engine is not reliable it will break during is life) If we do not accept the risk Do not buy 996 Which remains the cheapest model on the occassion market in Europe