53 captured repliesDiscussion pagination complete · Source accounts, not a confirmed diagnosis
THIS DISCUSSION / SOURCE-DERIVED OVERVIEW
Discussion summary
YOUR RESEARCHHow do I move an engine
Leading reported evidence
Install right now
Performed · outcome unconfirmed
No successful repair reported for this finding.
0
Reported fixes
0
Unsuccessful attempts
1
Discussions
Read evidence and context
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that performed work without a confirmed outcome
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster
It came out my silver DD that's getting the FSI installed right now.
Leading evidence: 'Install right now' (no explicit attributable resolution; this is a reported action or suggestion). Across 1 matching discussions, The most frequently discussed action is 'Install right now' (1 discussions). For that action, 0 discussions report a resolution and 0 report an unsuccessful attempt. No action has an explicit, attributable resolution report under the current rules. These are forum reports and suggestions, not a confirmed diagnosis.
Source reports, not a diagnosis or a success probability. Counts refer to discussions and can overlap.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that performed work without a confirmed outcome
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Performed · outcome unconfirmed
I never had this problem because I used a hydraulic table and lifted the engine from the bottom.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that performed work without a confirmed outcome
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Performed · outcome unconfirmed
It does appear however that the bracket with the hole on the back of the engine is used for lifting so you don't need to use the top hole.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that contain suggestions
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suggestion
Ahsai recommended fabricating a plate to use multiple holes which will take some effort.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that contain suggestions
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suggestion
Once elevated, replace IMS and change oil; then lower it down.
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suggestion
Seriously though, I would run two long bolts with washers through the mounting holes on the front along with two brackets that you can fabricate to attach a chain or strap.
Counts describe captured discussions, not unique people or a diagnosis. Author identities are not reliably stored. Exact duplicate evidence is counted once across matching discussions; one discussion counts at most once per action/state. Multiple repairs reported together remain a combination. Suggestions and failed attempts do not establish a fix. Matches cover whole discussions and can include related faults, model variants and incomplete threads.
53 eligible posts · 0 unverified posts · 1 discussions match the subject in their title or opening post.
Rennlist: 1 discussions
0 evidence records excluded for query context · 0 excluded by outcome qualification · 0 adjusted by outcome qualification.
0 acknowledgements have no verified action link; they do not establish a repair result.
Generation: 20261026T052503Z · outcome-qualification-6. Deterministic extraction; no AI model inference. How we use sources
I have an M96 that has been sitting on the jack for weeks and it's time to do something with it. But how do I move it? Do I need an engine hoist? Where do I attach to the engine and with what? As always, all help and irrelevant sarcastic comments are appreciated.
photo153.jpg
photo912.jpg
[Image-only post; no author-written text. Original image references:]
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/895x500/1o6jmk_60751c5d965c21b034be226b98d6c20e9a3fbf9f.jpg
Seriously though, I would run two long bolts with washers through the mounting holes on the front along with two brackets that you can fabricate to attach a chain or strap. I would use the loop on the back, depending on how it is mounted. I can't see how secure it is in the picture. It looks like the loop was put there for that purpose. If the loop doesn't look strong enough, use one of the transmission bolts in the top hole with a bracket. I have a couple of lifting brackets I took off a Mazda engine from a car I scrapped. They work great in these situations. Once you have the straps/chains attached, pick up with an engine hoist. This keeps you from doing anything that will hurt your back or give yourself a hernia. I have moved around literally dozens of engines over the years. Back in my 20s, I picked up a Ford 289 block and gave myself a hernia. Recovery from the surgery was very painful. Eric
I should also add that you can probably buy all the hardware you need from Lowes or Home Depot including d-rings with a bolt on one side, section of removable chain to attach to a bracket, etc.
You would be surprised how many times picking up an engine has been screwed up. Typically happens when picking up by straps that are not secured around the top of the engine. The engine just tips over and falls to the ground. Might be a little harder to drop a flat 6 though.
It came out my silver DD that's getting the FSI installed right now. Going to put it up for sale but want to have a plan for moving it first. And having a company that's erected over 200 towers I know the importance of thinking things through before you lift.
So top transmission bolt holes are safe anchoring spots and then engine mounting bracket?
Yes, the top hole would be adequate, but you need to bolt a bracket directly to the case and not on the end of a bolt that sticks out, because the extra leverage could break the bolt hole and take a chunk off the case. It does appear however that the bracket with the hole on the back of the engine is used for lifting so you don't need to use the top hole. Pelican parts sells an "engine lift bar tool" to lift the engine up with a hoist. It come with two brackets to mount to the engine mount locations in front.
I would run two eye bolts through the two square engine mount bolts and the use the forward steel lift point.
I gave you a link for a 3/8-16 thread. You would probably want to measure the square hole and get an eyebolt with the largest thread.
https://www.mcmaster.com/#3014t974/=17fh0vi
I would be very weary of using one of the transmission case bolt holes. You would be creating a moment along a threaded surface - very prone to cracking a piece off at the root of the thread.
Looks like the engine loft bar is for the air cooled models.
I'll get some measurements and look into using the eye bolts. Just knowing that there is a lift point and I don't have to use the tranny bolt holes is progress.
Step 1, ignore troll who knows the answer is super obvious but won't share it
Step 2, ask Ahsai or Jake. Why didn't you just ask Jake? Call Jake you idiot. Unless you have a horse, then ask your horse.
So far the thread has produced lots of good information and sweet victory's plan looks pretty solid.
And I usually wait to see if Ahsai chimes in before I PM him. He hasn't let me down yet.
I never had this problem because I used a hydraulic table and lifted the engine from the bottom. I think Sweet Victory's idea of using the eye bolts on the engine brace is good. Also agree to his comments about risks of generating unexpected moments when using the tranny bolts.
If it was my engine I would not trust the brass color stock engine hook. If I remember correctly, it's bolted on to the case only by a short M6 bolt. I think I would use a 3/16"~1/4" thick steel plate and drill 3 holes so I can bolt the plate on the top 3 tranny bolt holes (dowel pin removed from the top right hole). Then drill a hole or two on the steel plate to accept a hook from the hoist.
Also keep in mind the engine is about 500lb so you get a sense of how much load the lifting points will see.
I agree that using eyebolts up front is a good idea. It could save you the effort of fabricating or finding brackets. Given that the lifting bracket on the back of the engine is only held on by a single M6 bolt as Ahsai stated, I agree that using the transmission mounting points is the better way to go. While using only the top hole would probably work, the consequences of failure are high. Using multiple holes is the better way to go. Ahsai recommended fabricating a plate to use multiple holes which will take some effort. I added this post because the obvious answer popped in my head, especially if you plan on putting the engine on an engine stand. That is to mount the engine stand adaptor to the transmission mounting points and use it to lift the back of the engine. They cost about $400 so fabricating a plate may be worth your time, if you aren't putting it on a stand. I also recommend using a bar to lift it. The bar for the air cooled engine would work fine, although the engine probably would be tilted using the loops on the bar since the bar was designed to balance an air cooled engine. I have a bar made out of thick box steel with adjustable hook locations. Picking the engine up with a bar keeps the straps/chains away from the engine and prevents putting force on the components on top of the engine that the straps/chains would contact.
When I went though my engines woes a few years back I couldn't figure out how to get the motor off of the wood skid it came on. Next door neighbor has JD compact tractor with a loader. Called him over and with some 2" heavy duty ratchet straps we picked the motor up at the two motor mount spots and the metal loop on the front of the motor....lifted and balanced like butta!
Aren't those the ones that you can heat with a lighter to increase their lift capacity?
And the JD + ratchet straps sound like the winner since I already have both.
an engine hoist [overhead] and basic knowledge of where to bolt the chains/cables/straps OR 4 healthy buddies can lift it on to a wheeled dolly or whatever you need to put it on
Steven Hawking, brain surgery, a horse, trannies, hydrogen balloons, shirtless-Kalash-with-the-Tip-on-a-trolley ... this thread packed a lot into a few pages. It's this kind of teamwork that makes Rennlist special.
Everyone gets orange slices and a trophy.
Tada! All fluids drained, completely wrapped, and ratchet strapped to the pallet. This girl will have a fellow Rennlister back on the road in no time! And yes, it really is a girl!
photo673.jpg
I do that all the time... I do most of my work alone, far away from the main facility. My Deutz- Allis German Aircooled Diesel is my best friend.. Here I am using it to install the engine and transaxle package into my Testarossa a few months ago. It was too heavy to hang on an engine hoist 7' inside the chassis, so the tractor works great.
