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If you have a high mileage, low value car that sounds like you are not going to tear the motor down to fix whatever the issue is anyway.

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Replace guides requires a case split

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replacing the guides requires a case split.

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replacing the guides requires a case split.

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replacing the guides requires a case split.

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If you have a high mileage, low value car that sounds like you are not going to tear the motor down to fix whatever the issue is anyway.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I did my own oil change and found these hard black particles in the filter. They look like a lot, but what you see is all there was in the entire filter. Mechanic told me previous filter was clean. From my research on here I have seen a lot of variable opinions around the timing components that seem to shed this debris. This is a low value, high mileage car. What is my prognosis and options? Thanks in advance.

POST 2Original post

If you have a high mileage, low value car that sounds like you are not going to tear the motor down to fix whatever the issue is anyway. I say just let it ride if that is the case.

POST 3Original post

Yeah, probably material from your timing chain guides or IMS guide. Could be scraper gasket but I don't see a gasket breaking down like that.

POST 4Original post

timing chain guide material. How high mileage? replacing the guides requires a case split. might as well refresh the whole engine if you go that route. Member here (Riad) had his hi mileage 996 engine grenade as a result of badly worn chain guides.

POST 5 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

175,000 mile, The thing that is throwing me off is the from everything I have read the chain guides are brown. This material is hard black plastic.

POST 6Original post

vario cam guides are brown, IIRC. chain guides are black. 175k miles is a good run........... I have 150k and at the first sign of that kind of wear I am going to have my indy pull and refresh the engine. I have had the car since new (2000 C4 cab tip), and it is only worth something to me. no point in selling it, no point in driving it into the ground.

POST 7Original post

The problem with a refresh is the same as with a remodel, figuring out where to stop. If you split the case, you might as well sleeve the cylinders and go with new pistons. Now you are talking 5 figures which is where you will be anyways if the engine lets go on you. So how much advantage is there really to doing it proactively?

POST 8 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Unfortunately that’s where I’m at. I paid ~9k for the car and have been fixing up some of the minor issues it has, mainly on the cheap. Dropping the engine and rebuilding it doesn’t make sense. It’s too bad because it’s a California car.

POST 9Original post

Maybe A USED lower mile motor would be the way to go...

POST 10Original post

At that price, just drive and enjoy. Keep the oil changed with the high quality flavor of your choice and it should have plenty of good life left.

POST 11Original post

Here's mine, hard to tell the color but the timing chain guide is black. and the IMS paddle with black pad:

POST 12 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Thank you for the pictures. This doesn't seem like good news.

POST 13Original post

These are the IMS rails from my engine at 82k miles. The outer chain guides had some wear but no pitting like these two. With that much plastic you are showing I would think you will have a failure soon. Btw, two outer rails were black and two were brown on my engine.

POST 14 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Quotes source post: 14706874

Thanks for the feedback. I assuming this involved a complete engine out and split?

POST 15Original post

Quotes source post: 14708753

Yes. This is my engine (same machined billet chain tensioner as above), with half the block off, showing the tensioner. The crank carrier has to come completely out to get to the guide on the other side. M96 3.4 Sam.

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