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I love the rawness of the 99 996 and as you have said before Jake the 99 996 Carrera is probably the best modern 911 version.
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Your story is probably the better everyday use case.
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Makes me want to change my car for one with PSM after that experience.
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I was driving in a sudden Spring downpour on a freeway, when I attempted to change lanes.
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Was driving my 99 996 that doesn't have any assistance and swerved to not hit an object on the road and ended up spinning out. We were going about 60 mph. Luckily nothing happened but my friend driving the 997.1 in front of me that also swerved around the object told me PSM kicked in and he went around like a breeze.
Makes me value PSM since its specifically designed for those kind of situations. That plus i need to improve my driving skills so another performance driving course is on my list of things to do.
What do you guys think of PSM?
One near death experience about six months after I got the car. I was driving in a sudden Spring downpour on a freeway, when I attempted to change lanes. Holy rear tires hydroplane Batman! I don't know what the correct combination was - PSM, driving skill or pure luck - but I'm happy to attribute living through that episode to PSM.
PS. As a general rule, I've always turned that crap off unless I was driving in bad weather. Your story is probably the better everyday use case.
You gotta wonder what people did before things like PSM came along. Oh yeah, they practiced driving and car control. Obviously no amount of skill can save you in certain situations but I feel today's society is far too dependent on electronics of all kinds.
The one that bothers me the most - blind spot detection, hello, go back to driving school.
Yes. Mountain twisties, got into some gravel on an inside curve and the rear started to break loose. PCM was like the hand of God reaching down and saving my foolish butt. Very loud at full intervention as well.
Don't turn it off.
I was kind of happy when I found out mine didn't have it. To each their own, I guess.
I also won't "push" the car on public roads, so barring bad weather or a boneheaded mistake on my part, I am not too concerned.
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times I turn PSM off is when I'm on mountain roads that haven't been swept recently. Sometimes the front tires will push (understeer) due to the road surface; PSM can kick in and briefly exacerbate the understeer in this scenario. When you're on a narrow road with little margin, that little bit of extra understeer can be terrifying.
Agreed. Plowing into corners you don't know is stupid, regardless of whether or not your car has
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While I'm not a fan of the brake modulation, I do like the timing retarding that is applied when the rear wheel(s) let go. My 'Vette has a very rudimentary PSM-like feature called Active Slip Reduction that does the same thing. Very nice if you don't want to wind up on YouTube being one of those morons who loses the rear end blasting around a corner leaving Cars-n-Coffee...
It probably saved me. That and good tires, a good road surface, Auto Cross experience, and having learned to drive on rear wheel drive cars as a teenager. I was doing about 80 mph on the Garden State Parkway in NJ. I was behind a truck in the right lane and pulled into the left lane only to find that a lawn chair was there. I instinctively tried to avoid it (not a great idea) and swerved left and then right. There was no shoulder, only trees on the left and the truck was on the right. Not exactly sure how I escaped with only a cracked bumper. I'm guessing that the PSM kicked in and saved my butt but I was too busy trying to stay alive to notice.
Never got close to the limit on public road , but have got the back end loose on the track and psm stepped in to get the rear in line without too much drama ... Could I have corrected without psm - probably - but gives you extra insurance against bending something
Once you master performance driving you won't need it, and it will actually interfere with the rhythm of your driving. However, for those unexpected incidents that you describe it can be a life saver. I always turn it off on the track but it is a comfort to have on the street.
The PSM is awesome. I am use to driving air cooled 911/930s for 25 years. My C4S feels effortless in situations the older 911s would put you into the bushes. No comparison. The upper limits of the C4S with PSM is crazy high. On a side note, the C4S PSM is better and less intrusive than a RS4 I owned. I think the 996 PSM got it right with the amount of fun it lets you have before getting intrusive. As the years progressed all Stability Controls have gotten way too intrusive thanks to legal reasons.
Great story.
That's what the PSM is all about. I don't care how good of a driver with X amount of track time, PSM will be faster when unseen obsticals like deer or lawn chairs enter your life.
Well, Im very convinced that I probably would have not spun out if I had PSM. Makes me want to change my car for one with PSM after that experience. I spun 3 times and there were 2 semi trucks behind me that thankfully slowed down once they saw me spinning. Definitely left a strong memory and made me much more cautious on the highway. Either way I never expected for a wood palate to be in the middle of the highway coming out of a turn at 60 mph. There were three of us, a 991, 997 and my 996. We all basically swerved around the same way. I was the only one that spun out. Both of the other cars told me PSM kicked in for them.
Last December on the road to Whistler , I hit black ice and even with a limited slip diff and winter tires it was a close one .
I'm very expirienced in those conditions and well trained , including track school .
Maybe I could have recovered it without it but I was glad for the microsecond of help at exactly the right moment on a very narrow road with a steep drop off .
wow long time no post here.
Sold my 996 C2 long ago but always love checking this forum.
Back to PSM...
It saved my *** once in a 997.2 Turbo. I was driving in the rain, went to over take someone, and as the transmission shifted into 3rd, the tail kicked out and before I even understood what happened i was already back to going straight.
Currently, my 996 GT3 has no electronic aids at all. Do I miss them? No to be honest I dont. I do not drive the 3 everyday. When I do drive the GT3, I always drive the car alert, thinking ahead. When you drive a car daily, you need PSM in my opinion, especially if you use it to commute. Usually during a commute you are fatigued, tired, or just enjoying a "lazy" drive.
PSM saved me in a heavy rain on a real nice long sweeping on-ramp onto a highway. I was clearly driving way too hard for the conditions and a bit too over-confident in my ability! Yeah, I like PSM and leave it on all the time. I'm not a good enough driver to keep it out of the weeds if I do something dumb.
And I think all of the above applied to me in my incident! I had PSM, there was enough skill to realize what was happening and I made a correction and a big dose of pure luck was also included!
When my wife started getting loose at 149 MOH due to a cross wind on the runway, PSM cut power just long enough to straighten the car out..
Usually, it just gets on my nerves, though...
I love the rawness of the 99 996 and as you have said before Jake the 99 996 Carrera is probably the best modern 911 version. I think the fact that it doesn't have PSM is a double edged sword. Untimely it can be completely turned off if needed right?
PSM saved my butt several times when I hit some unexpected puddles on the Interstate and the car hydroplaned. I actually lost steering momentarily, but thanks to Porsche engineering, recovery was rapid and complete. I wouldn't have a car without some version of PSM!
Well, I lost it at about the same speed and ate the wall on the expressway in my late 99. The rear end came around so quick I didn't have time to react. Needless to say she is no longer.
For this reason I made my mind up to get a C4S with PSM. Forgot to disable PSM during a solo run and didn't really notice it till I tried flicking the rear and around at the finish. It is really an amazing system and isn't overbearing.
PSM was my #1 priority when shopping for my latest 996, call me chicken %$%$ or whatever. But for me, daily driving, it does come on from time to time simply going around a corner and such.
Probably the best option 996 comes with, IMHO
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