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Anyway I finally walked into the dealership and boy that place is literally a museum, filled with cars on 4 floors.
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over time I changed desks, changed jobs, moved locations, etc, and the Porsche model disappeared.
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991 and 992 used car prices have been falling from pandemic peaks.
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Made it out to a GGR PCA cars and coffee yesterday (Pete's coffee in Los Gatos) and was surprised at the lack of 996's in attendance.
Good representation of 986's, 987's, 944's, 968 (at least 1), a 914, 356, air cooled 911's, a soft top 911 targa....... GT cars of every color (GT3/GT3 RS's, GT4/GT4 RS's) multiple silver 993 C4S's
Plenty of 991, 992 variants, but only one 996........ lots of 997s..... I just found it strange at the lack of 996's. (also no 928's)
Is this the norm? (are 996 owners too religious to attend a cars and coffee on Easter?)
-Eric
04 996
99 986
09 987.2 CS (too recently departed to discuss)
90 964 (rear ended by a school bus)
90 944S2 (little old lady in a Honda tried to drive over the hood)
87 951 (failed drivers ed)
It is. I go up to a couple cars and coffees around me. Griffith Park, La Canada, and Newcombs. I maybe see ONE other. It's always a treat seeing a GT3 or GT2 996 though.
I was at the Redwood region C&C in Novato and had no idea the GGR one was at Los Gatos even though I'm a GGR member. /shrug
PM me the day before and I'll be happy to come out lol, I wish they'd be more communicative about their events.
Easter Sunday for some but �
Transgender Day of Visibility� according to the government.
Perhaps that explains the lack of 996s.
Not that there�s anything wrong with that.
Last Tuesday was the 7 year anniversary of me purchasing the 996 and in that time, I've never seen a 996 at any local events. Heck, just driving around, if I see one per year, it's a big deal.
lol, not too religious. I skipped yesterday's event because of bad weather.
I’m kinda glad at my local C&C there are very few 996
most of the other 911 are much more expensive then mine
but I still get a great crowd gathered around me constantly
I stopped going to C&C events 15 years ago. Snobs. Poo pooed my 996 and told me I was a fool for owning one. 15 years and I'm hoping some of them are dead by now. Long live my 996! Still running strong @ 149K miles...I can do this myself, and I turn 68 this year. Ha!
Years ago, I could purchase 356s for hundreds of dollars, many with patched-up floors and ventilated by the tin worms as everyone was moving on to the new. Owning and driving a 996 reminds me of the early days, over forty years ago, when I drove my 914 to gatherings. There were the same snobbish issues, but today, just look at how they revere those ugly Volkswagen Porsche 914s. Look, I admire all the newer versions, but I wonder how most of these will age, especially with all the electrical gremlins that 996 owners face.
I agree with the snob factor, but there tend to be a few people that appreciate the cars, more than worship the latest �.. and those are the people you can have a good discussion about keeping the cars going, or local events (my preference is Autox�. Get a great feel for the cars capabilities without the possibility of an off track excursion�..). And most important, which shops locally know the 996�.
-Eric
Oddly enough, Im listening to the Carmudgeon podcast and DTS was talking about a Prussian Blue 86 911 with Blue Sport Seats and Golf BBS Wheels that took 3 months to sell for $13k... ugh, missed those moments
The demographic that loses their sh*t the most over my car is like the 25-35 year olds. These are the "kids" (I'm 48 now so I can call them that, right?) who want to chat it up randomly, comment how much they love the car, or go out of their way to take pictures, etc. They couldn't care less it's a 996. The youngest of the demo weren't even alive when air-cooled 911s were a thing. And the older-end of the group likely remember less about air-cooled 911s being around and more about the first new (at the time) Porsche coming onto the scene.
Took a road trip this weekend from Chicago to phila and had a couple of stops along the way at various restops on 80 and 76. Had 4 different occasions that folks in their 30s and younger went out if their way to walk up and start talking about the car. The 996 is a hit with the younger generations. Says alot about potential future demand.
Let's face it, it's a good looking car that has aged well.
Ha! Let�s face it, the 996 won�t be accepted by the Porschephiles until they start selling for over 6 figures. No biggie. Anyone who�s ever driven one and a 993 back to back knows the true story. I let a friend of mine who owns a 993 (he paid 4x what I paid for my car) drive my car. He had kind words but overall was very quiet afterwards - as if to say �WTF was I thinking?��Nuff said
Chris Harris on the 996 GT3RS from a day ago. Listen closely, with the exception of the mezger engine, he could be talking about any 996. Video will most likely help to create more interest in the 996 overall. Maybe some will come out of hiding over the next few years. Kinda like the girl next store who grew up one day and everybody wanted to date her.
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This echoes my local PCA experience.
It seems our members comprise the "bookends": You have the the "I bought it when I was stationed in Germany in the 60s" guys, and then the others with the newer stuff. Lot of 991 and 992s.
I feel the 996 is begrudgingly accepted. Which is hilarious because I think the Turbo is one of the greatest cars ever.
I've mentioned this before, but I feel it's worth repeating: One of the first comments I received at my very first PCA meeting was "You'll understand Porsche when you own an air cooled car." Granted this was one guy, but I think it really sets the tone for acceptance of the 996.
Every-time I'm about to start putting my personal 996 motor together I get a drop off for a IMS bearing or clutch, or something! Not bad problems for me to have but I'm excited to get MY car back together!
I just need a week with my cell phone in the freezer and the shop door locked.
--Aaron
That pretty much matches my limited experience when I'm among P-car people. Broader based groups such as C&C type gatherings are quite a bit different; when I took the targa to a BaT gathering I had quite a few folks come over to chat me up.
I will say though that air-cooled 911's are a different experience compared to my 996. I imagine even moreso compared to the newer models. There is something to be said for those who think that the full Porsche experience behooves a person to spend time with one.
I�m 32 so can offer a bit of insight to this. The 996 was THE 911 growing up in the early 2000s and really getting into cars. As a kid, I didn�t know anything about water cooled vs air cooled. I barely knew what fried eggs were, let alone the headlight that resembled one. I just knew that the Speed Yellow 996 on the cover of that NFS game was awesome. Also, F&F movies helped fuel passion for cars and the tuner scene was huge.
I just attribute it to the time period that a generation began developing their own passion of cars and becoming fond of the cars from the period in which THEY started driving. For me, I started driving in the mid/late 00s, and my nostalgia for 90s and 00s euros is equivalent to my dad�s nostalgia for 60s and 70s American cars. He has since become a pretty much exclusively euro guy since the 90s/00s.
also, I tend to like things that are attainable more than things that are out of reach. And the 996 is the most attainable. Sure do I dream of a 997 GT3, yes. Do I watch F1, yes. But I have more fun watching the SCCA runoffs or even the Porsche Supercup, because it�s more relatable. So for me, seeing a nice spec 991/992 is awesome, seeing a new M4 comp is cool, but seeing a 996/997 on the road, especially one that looks good and tastefully modded gets me more pumped than anything. I�ll audibly cheer in my car and give a wave and thumbs up, even if I�m not in my 996.
Yeah, the air cooled guys are getting older as each day goes by. As such, the mindset is shifting.
Those that used to track their air cooled cars don't anymore because prices have gone up substantially and they dont want to risk damage. Quite a few are selling, taking profits and buying water cooled cars. Who can blame them?
Not to mention, air cooled cars are down 200-300 hp to the new 911s and Caymans that now populate a DE event. A good portion of these guys are exceptional drivers, but their cars can't keep up with the power and techno wizardry of the new cars. I know quite a few who are going thru or have gone thru this exercise.
As a 22 year 996 owner, I remember when the 996 was the hot new 911 and everybody wanted one as demonstrated in its sales of 175k vehicles dwarfing any other 911 model in history. I can also remember the bitching and moaning that occured as the RMS started leaking, go-no-go era was in full swing, IMSBs began failing, AOSs were failing and people being people were looking for something to complain about, culminating in the silly headlight discussion.
All that is done and gone. Just like every other 911 model throughout history, durable solutions were found for the issues, headlights became unique, and the 996 is now the "darling" used 911 to buy.
You will see more populating the track, autocross, rally, concours events, C&C events, etc. It's inevitable.
After reading all the posts, I am willing to bet that some of these air-cooled Porsches will eventually be trailered to events rather than driven. Like some other marks, Porsche air-cooled 911s will become too valuable to be driven on the local roads.
I have one anecdote as it relates to the younger crowd and the 996. The only time I take my car to the dealer is for a state inspection. It's right up the street from me and I'd rather not leave it with Firestone. The last time I was there the teenaged porter who had earlier parked my car came running across the service drive as I was getting in it to tell me how much he loved my car and how nice it is. I figure that kid has got to be pretty jaded when it comes to Porsche cars as I see all sorts of fancy stuff rolling through that place when I go in.
Other than that one experience, I'm pretty much ignored in my car wherever I go. Even other 996 drivers don't return my waves. :-/
Porsche owners as a whole are great people who are kind and very thoughtfull, and personable...
But you will find some Snobs, and they will ususally be at the C&C events..If you get involved in PCA and y'all have a lot of "driving events ' like we do.....just gatherings to go drive the backroads to a predetermined place for a lunch gathering, or to a car musiuem, or to a watterfall, or historic site, or view...this is where you will find the good car people with the water-cooled cars. Hardly ever will there be an air-cooled car, ( they just aren't reliable enough ususally, or thier owners aren't really interested in driving them).. and no Snobs at all...
I remember many times we would have 30-40 cars for a drive and only 1 or 2 air-cooled cars, and they would break-down in the middle of the drive, or have to peel-off early due to car trouble...I was the "Sweeper " for the driving event and would have to stay behind to get them going again, or get them help/tow...
But the driving events, Track events, or just Daily Duty is where all the water-cooled cars are....
Ah shoot i would have came but i didnt see there was a C&C that day. I went to the previous event though in San Carlos at AutoVino. I think i saw one 996 there, maybe that was you?
I do know that the 996s are slowly but surely becoming more desirable. Which is one small reason why i decided to buy one a couple years ago. The prices for these may only increase so i thought id get one before it was too late haha.
Maybe i'll see you at one of the GGR events these days.
My name is also Eric lol
Eric, my black 996 was at the Autovino meet.
Any chance you could recommend either the Alice�s breakfast meet this Saturday, or the EASY meet, at the same time?
-Eric
By the time that movie came out in 2006 I was 15/16 years old, so I never really saw it. Still haven�t to this day. Fast and Furious is what did it for me. I wonder if there�s less/more kids into cars today than in the past. I remember writing an entire story for an assignment in which I basically just described my future fictional car with all of its mods in detail, including but not limited to Sparco seats and steering wheel, a SSK, �Altezza� tail lights (these were so popular) and of course, a loud exhaust. I remember this well, because I never had more fun writing something, and I failed the assignment lol. my 2yo son absolutely loves cars and trucks, and I�m doing everything I can with him to keep that going.
Heartbreaking lol
Alices is always great. Cant go wrong. I will be going to the Fanatec GT races this Saturday so i wont be at any meets. I know there is one in Santa Clara on Sunday tho. i was invited to go there but i dont think i'll make it.
I just gladly handed over top dollar for a one owner, glacier white, 6-speed, 99 coupe. Factory black leather sport seats with color matched rear shells, limited slip, 18� twists, and some other fun options.
I own other Porsches including an 05 GT3 and a 718 cayman 4.0. So I�m a pcar koolaid addict. no doubt.
My point though is: People are seeking out and paying for cool 996�s right now. I looked for a long time for a car like this. I�m so excited about it. I love the size and lightness of the 996, especially the early ones. (I had a 99 before and have regretted selling it.) There is an ocean of difference in driving experience between the 99 and the 05 GT3. They are two wildly different cars. The 99 is just a perfect mix between old and new and a delight to drive. In my view it�s a damned near perfect weekend toy and car to drive to work on Fridays.
I'm on my fourth Porsche.... it's a 1998 build '99 Carrera C4 coupe and I have to say... I totally get it. Both of my other 996 cars were mk2 and while I loved driving those cars, there is something very unique about the driving experience with this one.... a lot more "raw" than the mk2 996s. And while the C2 would have been my pick, this C4 is surprising similar in driving experience; heck, I have to remind myself that it's an AWD car because it virtually has zero torque steer. The exhaust seems a little deeper in tone, but still has that classic flat 6 mechanical sound when pushing the revs through the gears. Everything is stock on this car and I'm fortunate to say it's a solid example of the '99 cars.
C&C people will never understand the allure of the 996, especially the early build 996. I'd rather enjoy the back roads to my fav lunch spot with my fav passenger on a nice Sat morning. C&C isn't the right crowd for the 996. IYKYK and we know.
Auto-Vino is doing a thing again tomorrow afternoon, wanna go? I've enjoyed it so much more than any "normal" C&C.
It's really just the value of the car vs risk to personal safety if you track it. Air-cooled cars are still faster than my 525i and I run THAT in slow-advanced HPDE groups full of Turbos and GT3's. If I get wadded up I find another shell for $2k and try again, if you wad up a 930 you better have good track AND medical insurance.
I�ve been surprised and disappointed at 996-hate at car shows.
People have gone out of their way to tell me that they don�t like the 996. Pointing out the headlights� saying it�s their least favorite gen. Etc etc.
its honestly kinda shocking at what is supposed to be a meet for enthusiasts.
I wonder if that kind of behavior and attitude has made other 996 owners shy away from meets.
^^^^^^ Those kind of people are missing some testosterone ....
If they are driving a Porsche older than a 996 tell them you don't like cars that the pedals swivel at the bottom.....
If they drive a newer model Porsche, buy them a beer and tell them how much money you saved by not buying the model they drive...
Sounds just like what happened with the 964. Give it another year or two and the same knuckleheads will be asking you for a ride and autograph. Like I said earlier on this thread, someday the girl next door grows up and everybody wants to date her. Just wait.
I don't go to a lot of meets because I'd rather be driving than standing around a parking lot. I will say that, of the meets I
have
been to, I have never experienced any hate or snobbishness toward the 996.
Yeah, never experienced anything like that in the Chicago region. Folks are just happy about seeing any Porsche. I may be off slightly but i think we have nearly 15k members. Probably a bad apple or two somewhere in the group.
I have been to a lot of events and I too have never received any negative comments. I have received a lot of compliments and people now have been viewing them more like vintage-ish cars.
I've driven just about every flavor of air-cooled car and I find the 996's unique combination of light weight (weighing less than the 993 and 996 before it and only 35 lbs heavier than a G50 Carrera 3.2) and power makes it unique across all the 911's. My favorite 911 is the early late-60's/early 70's 911e because they drove like very lightweight sports cars. The 996 obviously isn't as light as those very early cars, but double the horsepower plus power steering makes that weight disappear, so it's tossable like those early cars, but with creature comforts. Someday the market will figure out how uniquely special the 996 is, but enjoy the bargain benefit of market ignorance while it lasts.
That’s all encouraging.
I experienced it at a Katie’s cars & coffee in the DC area. Not pervasive. A few bad apples. But still unpleasant. I suspect it’s more from the uninformed wanting to sound experienced.
I am not really into C&C. I would rather go to the track or attend a tech session with a guest speaker. Completely different vibe.
If you want to have some fun as a spectator, head out to a PCA club race weekend or a PCA DE event. You don't have to drive in the event, just go too soak it up. Great environment with alot of great people who just like to talk about any porsche.
The other thing to consider is attend an IMSA race. The local Porsche region(s) typically host a hospitality suite and have a daily agenda with guest speakers from the Porsche teams, Michellin, Mobil, etc, to discuss race strategy and issues pertaining to the team. You will meet alot of Porsche folks and learn alot about the cars and racing. Not to mention they will have a Porsche Corral where you can park your Porsche w/ other Porsches and take a look at all of them if you are inclined. If you are lucky, Porsche may have organized a track tour where you will get 100+ porsches driving the track early in the day or over lunch at the imsa race.
Alot more interesting things to do than just C&C.
I don't get any of that snobbery where i am
Our local C&C gets about 100 cars every month and maybe 6 to 10 of them are 996's - no haters there
I also have a 928, and that car gets lookie loos everywhere, it takes 2X as long to get gas because people want to see the car
I had a G Body 911 Mag case 2.7 it leaked oil. Airconditioning and demisting are safety issues in Australia, it failed. My independant describes air cooled owners "as people who don't enjoy their cars much any more" too preoccipied with valuations now. I think the 996 embodies Porsche ownership. Adequately High performance and driver involvement. Requires committment but nothing like the insane Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston etc levels.
There's plenty of that everywhere in the car scene, even here on RL. Can't end it, you can fight it or run away lol.
I ended up going to the Auto-Vino happy hour today and an early-20s young man stopped and backed up as I was getting out just to compliment the 996. It's only one data point but it supports my marketing friend's assertion: the 996/997 are more propped up by younger Millenial/GenZ enthusiasts vs any other generation, and will likely escalate in popularity over time. If nothing else, the relative bargain these cars are means owners aren't pussies about tinkering with them, and I get to make stuff to satisfy that tinkering spirit.
I've been part of the Subaru SVX scene for quite a while. Those folks keep waiting for valuations to jump; they've been waiting for a long time. I suspect they'll be waiting some more.
I just sold a 2007 BMW Z4M Coupe. A stunning thing to look at, uniquely sharp and focused driving experience, extraordinarily rare (~2K total in North America). Owners keep waiting for prices to rise to the level they think they should be. While it could actually happen in their case, I'm personally not going to hold my breath.
I love my 996 targa, and -- as Porsche 996's go at any rate -- it too is a rare bird. But I would be gobsmacked if prices jump up in a year or two.
The reality is that the 996 is among the
best
911�s to drive out of all 911 models ever made, and it is the
least
expensive to buy by a wide margin.
it isn�t difficult to figure out who the idiots are on this topic.
Yep, and its now becoming the darling of the 911 market because of it. When was the last time you saw a negative youtube video on the 996?
While I would never buy any car to make money on it since you still have to spend money to keep it running, the 996 is certainly in a sweet spot coming off its depreciation cycle low a few years ago. No new supply is being created, add in rising demand from Gen X, Millenials and Gen Z, seems that the 996 is on the right side of the cycle.
991 and 992 used car prices have been falling from pandemic peaks. Gonna get ugly as it always does as they come off of warranty. The 911 depreciation cycle is inevitable, followed by a bottoming and then upswing in demand because they are cheap. Anybody remember when you could buy a 356 for 40k, or an SC for 8k, or a 911 for 20k, or a 964 for 25k, or a 993 for 30k? I do. Mid 2000s. Look at them now.
996 is the new darling. Enjoy it, drive it, show it. But never apologize for it. 356, SC, 911, 964, 993 owners learned their lesson. So will all 996 owners.
Shhh. no it's not, it's the worst and the worst looking. And driving terrible, especially the early build cable throttle lightweights. And forget the ugly aero cars they are hideous. There did I lower the price back down some
Keep the collectors away for a long time please, we need more drivers. Drivers only need apply!!
Reality is your statement is spot on.
Yep. That generation is called Generation Alpha. Guess we are all a byproduct of our childhood aren't we. Seems that 25 year old Teslas will be very popular in 25 years.
My story is quite unique. I'm 47. In 1999, I worked in NYC and always passed Manhattan Motor Sports each day walking to work.
There was a Lotus in the window for sale, Espirit to be exact. Anyway I finally walked into the dealership and boy that place is literally a museum, filled with cars on 4 floors. Even a dedicated Lamborghini floor. You go into a car sized elevator to get from one floor to the next. You're eyes pop out of your head with the cars you see when the elevator door opens to each floor.
Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Rolls Royce, and so much more.
As the time goes by its 2003 and I finally saved enough and wanted a Boxster. It's now winter of 2003.. my Christmas gift to myself was a new car. (Single and man did that car get me married and divorced all in the 10 years I owned that Boxster. Haha)
Day comes to pick up my car...
The salesman said lets goto the roof. We went to the rooftop and there was a sea of Boxsters all years. He says go pick the one you want. I knew all the options and found a Silver Boxster looking at me like please take me home.
I ended up buying the Boxster saving my money at a mear 57k was the sticker, paid 49k for it being it was a leftover. She was begging to have an owner. Mind you all other cars were not on the outside elements, being floors of indoor cars. Only boxsters and other leftovers were in the roof of this building being exposed to the elements of Manhattan weather. Some 911s where up there too. One in particular....
My story continues was there was a Lapis Blue 911 there as well. Too rich for my young blood, having an identical interior as the Boxster however the 911 had chrome interior extras. I sat in her dreaming to own a 911 some day... it was snowing and I remember the day like it was yesterday.
With that said I droolled for the car sitting in it while being steered to the Boxster for obvious budget and well I read and learned everything about that car for a couple of years. (Yeah I had Boxster pictures in my cubicle at work too... )
Anyway I wrote the VIN of the 911 car, and one day I would own a simular one.
Years passed, and I find the ViN for the car up for sale in Connecticut.
I'm now reunited with the exact same car I wished and drooled over as a young boy to own a 911. When I got her home and sat in her the first time the chills that I had ran through my body, one can only imagine the feeling of owning the exact car I sat in 20 years ago on a rooftop of a Manhatten building.
Yep. She's now in my garage fulfilling my wish years ago.
Today I'm literally restoring her to like new with some modern tweaks (like a new deck). But each week she gets new parts and at this stage she's about 95% complete. Seats are are re-padded, many interior parts swapped for new ones and missing parts being bought weekly. Did the AOS, starter, alternator recently. Monday she's getting repainted to factory specs due to damage on the hood and other areas.
So if you see posts of me asking for parts and such, now you know my passion for her.. all.you folks are a part of a young man's dream of owning a 911 when you help me with replies in posts.
And that's how I got my 996.
Sorta mirrors my experience. Had a chance to drive a 964 I was considering buying, and thought it was sluggish (my only other prior 911s driven were a '72S I could have bought for $12k in '82, and an '82). Drove a 997.2 and was shocked at the difference. Then learned about the Early Builds, and here I am.
My everything mechanic but master BMW mechanic has owned many a 997 and 991 but always slept on the 996. He was repairing a bad lifter in my black 2002 and has been driving it around for the past week. He said. This is way better than my 997's I've owned. There is just something about it. I never gave them a chance etc...
I'm just there shaking my head, yup, heard that before. Yup, told you. Yup yup yup.
This is basically my sentiment as well. If I didn't have the GT3, I think I would be quite happy with a 99. It really is the perfect do-everything car. No question I'd drive it more often
Amazing story, I keep hoping someday I will have a 'keeper' and today I own a lovely 996. It feels so right for me. Hoping it sticks around, its already been a year. I usually get bored after a year or two and I dont feel remotely like that now.
Agree. I chose not to renew my PCA membership this year 😱. I am cool meeting up with the local car clubs that may get together in town. They are C10 pickups, low riders, riced Hondas. Low brow crowd to some but they are all car guys that are fun to talk to.
Have you gone to PCA events and seen those attitudes? My son and I go to a lot of PCA events and I've never seen anybody have any negative attitude about the 996. Usually I receive a ton of positive comments and many people asking questions about the car.
I just signed up for PCA. Will see how it goes.
I also have a fun story.
when I graduated from graduate school I bought a model of a 911 turbo for my work desk. I�m a car guy and it was a fun distraction and toy - Kids could play with it when they visited the office - but it was also a source of motivation. If I worked hard, that would be my reward. I was motivated.
over time I changed desks, changed jobs, moved locations, etc, and the Porsche model disappeared.
When I made partner last year I knew I wanted a car. I didn�t want to be dumb and spend six figures on a vanity car that would immediately depreciate. So I did a lot of research. A friend recommended the 996 turbo x50, I then learned about the turbo S, and their limited production numbers.
Eventually I found an 05 manual TTS cab with under 40k miles, for under $70k. I since learned it�s one of under 500 ever sold in the US. I absolutely LOVE it. I bought it to drive it. To enjoy it. I�ll probably put ~5k miles on it per year. But I�m also kinda hopeful that if I ever sell it, it will be worth at least what I paid for it.
anyway, about a month after I bought it, I found the Porsche model I bought all those years ago. I knew it was a 911 turbo, but I had completely forgotten what model of Porsche it was. If I was asked, I would have been confident saying it was a 997, because I bought it ~2010!. Lo and behold, the model is a 996!!!
maybe my subconscious always knew. Maybe it was meant to be. Either way, I couldn�t be happier with it.
