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I would recommend a slower shift, not a faster one, to smooth this out.
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My Corvette is the only automatic car I've owned since the burgundy Tempo I had to drive as a starving college student - but I have the tranny pressure set so high on the Vette that it will do longer second-gear chirps than most people can manage as "burnouts" in a manual car...it's very fun, but I digress.
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My Corvette is the only automatic car I've owned since the burgundy Tempo I had to drive as a starving college student - but I have the tranny pressure set so high on the Vette that it will do longer second-gear chirps than most people can manage as "burnouts" in a manual car...it's very fun, but I digress.
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Manual and I'm having the most question on starting in first and shifting to second. Should it be a very fast clutch release, as fast as possible without popping the clutch. This engine comes up to speed so fast compared to other (non Porsche) cars I've driven. Most times he engine is too fast for the speed of the car it seems. Tricky.
Any guidelines or tips appreciated.
Smooth is always best. So if it feels smooth, you know you are on the right track. If it feels jerky, not so much.
Starting from a stop, you'll ad some throttle, maybe around 2-2.5k RPMs. As you are releasing the clutch, you will feel and hear the engagement point as the car starts to move and RPMs start to drop. This is your balance point. Initially, go ahead and leave the clutch at this point as the car takes off and you begin adding more throttle. As you gain momentum, you can smoothly let it all the rest of the way out. Don't worry that you are kind of riding the clutch for now. The more you get used to managing that engagement point, the less time you will spend there.
As for 1-2 shifts, go ahead and add a little throttle as you are letting out the clutch smoothly. Even when you are lapping for times, smooth is fast. The fraction of a sec you gain by speed shifting is offset by unbalancing the car. Stay smooth and the car will reward you.
What RPM are you shifting at? It sounds like you need to run up the revs in first gear a bit more before you shift - if you're going faster that should smooth things out a bit. Or, could be the opposite.
I had problems with this initially too and I think there is a pretty big gap between 1st and 2nd gears so maybe if you rev smoothly to about 4K in 1st and then make a deliberate but not fast shift to 2nd, you will give the engine speed time to come down to match the 2nd gear. I would recommend a slower shift, not a faster one, to smooth this out.
While ^this^ is certainly a fun and exciting way to drive, it's just not realistic around town or suburban neighborhoods. Before the car is "warmed up" I usually shift at around 3k or slightly above and once it's warm I usually shift around 4K. If you're pushing it between 4-5k you're driving pretty aggressively - which is all good, but not always doable. You should be able to get plenty "smooth" between 2-4K you just Ned some practice
It's not as tough as you think. It's a guideline of course and there are certainly plenty of exceptions but you can accelerate up to 5-6k with very light throttle input in a non aggressive manner.
While I agree to some extent, "non-aggressive manner" is highly subjective. At anything over 3200 rpm the engine spools up very quickly - to the uninitiated (which the op seems to be) this can be pretty startling. These things are little monsters in that range!
I think this is pretty normal for the 996. I too struggle with smooth 1st to 2nd shifts unless I have the engine close to or beyond 4000rpm before performing the shift.
The gearing ratios of the 996 is pretty unique. Even Car & Driver called that out in their review of one of the model years calling it "quirky". I find that 1st to 2nd gear shifting is at a higher RPM than other gears. Same with the 997. Like Slakker, I find that 5000-5500RPM works for a smooth shift 1-2. After that 4000RPM does the job.
It's more fun too...
ding-ding-ding.
I don't even use 2nd to preserve the synchro. Just rev to 3500 in 1st and go to 3rd most of the time. Let it drop down to a nice low RPM then let the clutch out normal. In town, normal driving I rarely get it over 3k. When I want to rev it, I get it up higher on the highway in 4 or 5.
Ok... let's get this settled... if the shift cables are set correctly... the transmission is working properly... the transmission oil is in good shape... the ring&pinnion is not damaged... no second gear pop out issues or has already been corrected... with or without short shifter ... shifter setup correctly... no clutch issues... no flywheel issues... no clutch master/slave cylinder issues... no pedal issues... your arms and legs work correctly and efficiently... your hand-eye coordination is on par with most people in the world or better...
You should not have a fricking issues shifting from 1st to 2nd gear in a 996!
This is THE EASIEST transmission I have ever used.
The transmission in the 996s are fantastic... you can shift it like a baby or murder shift the bitch!
I have been trying to figure out a better shifting technique for my Autocross runs... sometimes I run it smooth... sometimes I shift it hard... smooth always works better!
I have been able to launch from the line hard enough to make my PSM kick in and idle me down from the launch... definitely not the fastest time on that launch... to much wheel spin makes you slow!
I never shift from first to third...😄 I just rarely do 4-5k shifts... There's just no need, unless I want to drive aggressively, which I only get to do on occasion...there's really no excuse for not being able t shift smoothly besides poor technique/coordination... Nothing a little practice can't fix...😎
I'm not sure that shifting at 5k is realistic in urban environments, I feel like it'd be wholly unfeasible in San Francisco at least. 3.5-4k for the 1-2 upshift, and 3k for the rare times I even make it to 3rd. This city, man.
Out of the city, where the car can actually be driven, is obviously a different story.
OP, does your car have a lightweight flywheel? If so, that might explain why getting 1-2 smoothly is a problem.
As far as "lugging" - if you shift at lower RPM and feather the throttle, you are not lugging the car. Slamming it from first to fourth and flooring it while climbing a 20% grade? Prolly lugging it.
The 996 is the easiest manual I've ever driven. My Corvette is the only automatic car I've owned since the burgundy Tempo I had to drive as a starving college student - but I have the tranny pressure set so high on the Vette that it will do longer second-gear chirps than most people can manage as "burnouts" in a manual car...it's very fun, but I digress.
If the RPMs are dropping off precipitously between 1-2, maybe the flywheel deserves some consideration...
Not to hijack, but does anyone besides me shift 1-2-4-6? Some people call it skip shifting, I guess. When I pull out of my warehouse building, there's just a long, flat straight. It just seems easier to get up to speed without hammering on a cold engine. Am I just lazy?
to answer the original question, shift smoothly and carefully from first to second and then hammer it. the transmissions on these cars are expensive and the engine likes to be driven. congrats on the new car btw and don't forget to post photos.
the toughest is first to second, I think. Not having a moment, a tiny moment, when the engine stutters. That stutter is not a good thing.
Also the speed in which someone can start moving, and get to second.
This is fun! I drive my car every day even though I work at home.
Get good focused practice that way. I love how driving is 100% involving, and no distractions.
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.... Don't try and rush the shifts, get some alone time with the car, learn how she sounds and feels. from a standing start with no throttle input practice 1-2 shifts' you'll gaina feel for the clutch.
You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you put your hand on the shifter, it becomes the shifter. When you downshift in a straightaway, it becomes the straightaway. When you pour throttle on the upshift, it becomes the clutch plate. Throttle can drop and it can crash. Become like water my friend.
haha, ty/agreed. There's certainly truth to flowing with or against a car's mechanical bits. Sometimes we are in synch, sometimes I just back off and go back to basics. It sure is a fun dance to do. Also stealing Bruce Lee quotes helps.
