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YOUR RESEARCHGerman Perfection vs Italian Good Enough
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Set desmo valves over japanese bucket and shims any day
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Modern ducatis are pretty reliable , and I'll take setting Desmo valves over Japanese bucket and shims any day .
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Probably why SpaceX Musk is using his Tesla as the payload for the Falcon 9 Heavy rocket test on Tuesday.
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I find it hard to believe that a $200k+ car (that regularly sell used for $100k+) could have such shoddy body work...
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Probably why SpaceX Musk is using his Tesla as the payload for the Falcon 9 Heavy rocket test on Tuesday.
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Just thought fellow 996 owners may find this interesting.
Here is the Fuel Door gap & alignment on my beautiful 996 Aero vs the Fuel Door Gap on my new-to-me Ferrari California.
And no, the Cali has never been in an accident. And yes, the 996 is the best bargain there is.
996 Fuel Door
996 MK1 Aero
Cali Fuel Door
That's pretty lame on Ferrari's part ! Is there any adjustment available (slots on the hinges perhaps?) ? I find it hard to believe that a $200k+ car (that regularly sell used for $100k+) could have such shoddy body work...
My favorite Italian storefront sign said "Sometimes we open". Sums up the Italian attitude and lifestyle perfectly. I bet you they didn't skip steps on the V8. Congrats on the Ferrari, bucket list item crossed, no doubt!
I don't know , I've owned many bikes , mostly BMW and Ducatis, had a shop for a while , most unreliable bikes we saw ? Harleys.
Modern ducatis are pretty reliable , and I'll take setting Desmo valves over Japanese bucket and shims any day .
the belts on a modern duc are easier than those on. 944s and 928s by a long shot .
that aircooled 2 valve 1000 in the picture is totally serviceable by a home mechanic , every year there are less & less bikes you can say that about .
Lol. That's exactly it! Also, doesn't help that they can easily sell everyone they make. Once you get behind the F-car wheel, say your silent prayer to the motoring gods that no Check Engine Lights come on, the sound and power are intoxicating. My Cali has been pretty reliable as F-cars go, but sheesh I've got more warning messages in a little less than 2 years and 10 K miles than my wife's Honda Ridgeline has gotten in 13 years and 213K miles!
Fortunately, so far, they've gone away with a restart or a little TLC from the good folks at Boardwalk Ferrari.
OP... Interior pics? Lovely Cali.
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Im calling BS on this one. I just looked up 1/2 dozen or so Ferrari Calis and so far yours is the only one with a jacked up fuel door. I dont believe for a second that Ferrari would let that go out of the factory like that, much less go out on to the show room floor.
Heres just a few examples.
https://goo.gl/1pjtf9
https://goo.gl/dTtsJr
https://goo.gl/oL5EUR
LOL, what�s the BS?? Never claimed they were all like this. But mine definitely is. Do you need me to shoot a video?? Car has no accident history according to both Carfax and Autocheck. I am the second owner. Car has 8,750 miles. Previous owner claims it has never seen rain. Windshield and headlight looks brand new and doesn�t even have a single micro-rock chip that I could find. I have a 2017 Infiniti with 3,100 miles that has more micro-rock chips on the windshield already. Car spent it�s entire life in a climate controlled 7 car, two level garage. I bought the car from the butler/house manager. Owner showed up last minute only to sign the title. He was rich enough to not even need to look at the Cashier�s check and took his butler�s word for it. Car has only been dealer serviced ever and the Ferrari dealership has been okay with that fuel door for the last 8,750 miles. Again, what are you calling BS on ??? I don�t understand.
somebody effed the fuel door up that for sure. that was my point. You made your post to sound like Ferrari would make a bad body line on the fuel door and Porsche wouldnt, that what I call BS on.
LOL, the fuel door works perfectly. The dealership has been okay with it for the last 8,750 miles. What is �make a bad body line?� What does that even mean?? I never said that. What are you taking about?? You checked 3 cars online (not in person) and determined my car is impossible.
My 996 is in the shop but I took a picture of my 997 and Huracan...seems to be equal quality but you be the judge... granted audi/VW owns Lamborghini.
997 above....Huracan below
Brand NEW $400,000 Ferrari 812 Superfast parked on the street. Notice the rear diffuser?? Does it seem a little misaligned to you??? Still think I�m full of BS?
Old "Nationalistic adages", like all British cars leak oil, haven't applied for sometime. Today, the automobile industry is a "world" industry...Chinese builders hire German engineers, Italian stylists, etc. Heck, my last Jaguar, a 2004, was the most reliable car I had ever owned, and didn't leak a drop of oil ! Who wudda thought.
relinuca.
Tesla has worse build quality than that, and they sell every car they make.
I asked a salesperson at a Tesla store how they could sell cars with doors that were 1/4 inch out of alignment when no other $100,000.00 car had those problems. I was told that nobody bought them for the build quality.
Nobody buys an Italian car because they expect it to last 20 years and 500,000 miles.
They don't fall apart after 20 years. My 360 doesn't have 500,000 miles (subtract one zero), but it is nearly 20 years old and looks almost as good a new and definitely still runs as good a new.
I didn't say they fall apart. I said people don't buy them because they last for 20 years. They buy them for other reasons. Did you buy your 360 because of its reputation for longevity and low maintenance costs?
Probably why SpaceX Musk is using his Tesla as the payload for the Falcon 9 Heavy rocket test on Tuesday. He said in all likelihood the thing will explode on the pad, or blow up before achieving orbit.
Ha, funny bunch here. OP is absolutely right and I don't doubt for one minute that the fuel door was like that from the factory. As I alluded earlier in this thread, Ferrari doesn't get you w/ it's engineering efficiency or perfect logic approach to car building like the Krauts, it's the intoxicating smells, sounds and performance that hooks ya. Never owned one, but i have access to a couple and they are a thing.
It's funny how a simple pic of the fuel door on your Cali says sooo much about the modus operandi of German vs Italian culture.
And i neglected to send congrats on the acquisition, she's beautiful! I take it you're in between butlers and that's why your's wasn't around to deal w/ the seller's butler?
As an aside, I'd be willing to bet the rear diffuser on that Superfast was the byproduct of a careless driver.
Our winery has mostly German equipment , the stainless tanks have doors that seal like a u boat hatch . Big stainless steel wheel and bracing the hatches are self aligning and it's impossible to fit them incorrectly . They never leak .
we have a couple wooden tanks with stainless Italian lids and fittings , the lids are held on with very imprecise cams , it takes a while to learn the feel of when they are closed properly too loose they leak , too tight and you come over cam and the lid pops off . I've learned to place my pinky on the edge of the seal and feel for the compression as I tap the cam lever home with a little rubber mallet. I have to do this on 15 levers and criss cross the span of the lid alternating sides
One of the Liveroni wine pumps needs to be plugged in for 5 mins to warm up before you use it , the other identical pump works just like the badly translated manual says it should , plug in and go .
that said , the red wine that comes out of those wooden tanks is pretty special
Sadly, the 812 rear diffuser problem is not a careless new Ferrari owner treating their new expensive toy like a Jeep Wrangler. These images are courtesy of a user name MDEL on Ferrarichat. I am using them without having asked his permission.
