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YOUR RESEARCHStick Or Tiptronic What Do You Preffer?
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I don't know the difference by any means, but I was told that keep fluids changed regularly and forget about it.
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And while you could put it in sport mode and change the gears, it just wasn't fun at all.
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I think the Tiptronic Is Great, it's basically bulletproof with regular fluid changes, Its plenty beefy for the 3.4l
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The main reason manuals were historically superior was because you could not dictate which gear you were in using an "old school" automatic (obviously).
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The main reason manuals were historically superior was because you could not dictate which gear you were in using an "old school" automatic (obviously).
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The PDK is the superior technology and anyone who believes otherwise is probably using a typewriter, watching movies on BETA, and washing their clothes in a river!!
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That is except for one of our high mileage members who sees no difference between Boxster and turbo clutch engagement action.
I'll start this off for me it's a Tiptronic. Not because it's what I prefer. It's because it was in my face at the time , also I'm getting lazy. Another reason is that I like my Wife to enjoy the Porsche from time to time behind the wheel.
It's all about what you enjoy. I don't think there as any shame in desiring the tiptronic over the 6-speed. I have a 6-speed in my coupe, but I wouldn't mind adding a tiptronic cab to the fleet. I am about to spend a lot of time in Atlanta, and if I had to deal with the traffic every day, a tip would make sense.
The vast majority prefer stick.
Mine's a Tip, and I love it. I use it for my DD, which is why I went the Tip route. Clutch-in, clutch-out is a crappy game to play on So CA freeways at the start or end of a work day.
I have also raced it. People that think you can not be competitive with a Tip have never driven a Tip (or, are just poor drivers on the track).
In D mode, it's certainly not the most "spirited" car. In M mode, it's as much fun as any stick. I have a '14 Cayman with PDK, and the driving experience is quite similar.
As a disclaimer: The Tip Generation 1 (I think '99 to 2001?) was quite poor compared to the second generation Tip.
As a disclaimer: The Tip Generation 1 (I think '99 to 2001?) was quite poor compared to the second generation Tip.
I don't know the difference by any means, but I was told that keep fluids changed regularly and forget about it.
I have not driven my PCar Tiptronic yet other than limping to the shop. (still working on it) , but I have a A4 Quattro with a 3.2 that's amazing with paddles
Well that's a possibility because nothing on my car is original.
. My engine is a 1999. . Kinda like that Johnny Cash Song. "I'll get it one piece at a time" but it has cost me a dime!!
My truck is an automatic. Wouldn't mind getting a tip 986/7 someday for my girlfriend to enjoy as she doesn't drive manuals. SLC is very manual-friendly with the relatively light traffic & loads of open roads outside the city proper, so it's not a big deal for me to drive the 6-speed daily. If I was back in D.C. it would be a tough call with the traffic.
Love my 99 tip. Mind you, I don't track (and won't) my car ever. Still love a spirited drive on a fast mountain road and make fine progress using the buttons. YMMV
In the best of all worlds I'd chose a manual, in LA I won't complain about my tiptronic. I think there are actually three 996 variations. The very early ones (98/99) you had to shift from D to M to get the buttons to work. In later versions (mine is an early 2000) you could go out of D and into manual just by hitting the buttons. It would go back to D mode in about 8 seconds if you didn't continue using the buttons. I believe these were both the Mercedes versions of the tip, and they had 5 maps. In the third version, (made by Chrysler) the maps expanded to 250. That plus the extra 25 hp made the tip much more responsive. The 3.8 S with Sport Chrono was the best (and last) of the tips in the 911. All of these are easier and less expensive to service vs the PDK...but more expensive than a simple manual. The tip shifts faster than a manual but often lacks the instantaneous crispness associated with the manual.
Like most people here from So CAL, my Bro-in-law used to own a 996 Cab with manual but after 1 yr driving in heavy traffic jams, he gave up with back-pains, and switched to a 2005 997 Cab Tip. That was actually good for me because I inherited his old 996 6-speed, otherwise no P-car for me, heh heh heh :-) I love this car since then and have owned it for the past 11 yrs and counting... Btw my DD Jeep wrangler is an Auto and love it too. Cheers,
I live in a densily populated area, lots of traffic most of the time. That was the reason for buying a tip, and I really don't regret that for a single moment. Driving a stick-shift from traffic jam to traffic jam gets old real soon. If I would have lived in a more rural area, I would probably have opted for a stick.
My truck is an 8 spd auto. My wife's SUV is a 5 spd auto (next will be 8). My old corvette is a 4 speed manual, my ZR-1 is a 6 spd manual, my 944 is 5 spd manual, and our 996 is a 6 spd manual. Autos have their place but sports cars are about driving! I want to be more a part of the drive so I prefer a manual. I hate driving them in DFW traffic though.
Oh this should be fun. The main reason manuals were historically superior was because you could not dictate which gear you were in using an "old school" automatic (obviously). And historically that was 100% valid. Porsche didn't even make autos for decades. Well that old school thinking is no longer valid. Manuals allow you to physically push a pedal with your foot and physically move a gear shift with your hand. It ends there. Neither of which represent any type of advantage. I know the "real drivers" will chime in to "educate" me.
The PDK is the superior technology and anyone who believes otherwise is probably using a typewriter, watching movies on BETA, and washing their clothes in a river!!
PDK... it's good enough for these guys:
My 2002 Cab is a 6-speed. For me there were two absolute necessities when I bought a Porsche:
* It had to have a stick tranny
* It had to be a convertible
I live in one of the most traffic congested areas in the country (Silicon Valley). I would never pick a stick tranny if I had to deal with stop & go every day getting to and from work.
However, I am retired and can pick and chose when I go places. As a result, the stick works great and I LOVE shifting the gears. I drive the car every day and it has been a winner in every way!
Take a deep breath and relax. No one is arguing which is better or faster. The title and replies so far are about PREFERence. I'm sure you misconstrued that somehow.
I owned a PDK car as a daily driver. I still won't have one in my hobby cars or weekend cars. Launch control was tons of fun, but on a track or country drive, I want to row the gears. Again, note this is a preference.
Now the reply explaining how my preference is wrong, that should be fun.
[QUOTE=AnthonyGS;14259661]Take a deep breath and relax. No one is arguing which is better or faster. The title and replies so far are about PREFERence. I'm sure you misconstrued that somehow.
I owned a PDK car as a daily driver. I still won't have one in my hobby cars or weekend cars. Launch control was tons of fun, but on a track or country drive, I want to row the gears. Again, note this is a preference.
Now the reply explaining how my preference is wrong, that should be fun.[/QUOTE
Hello thanks for rowing threw those gears for us sounds exciting, thanks for sharing your preference.
The BMW is an auto, really wanted to get it in 6MT but jumped the gun and didn't look around more. Have never really had bad commutes to work since going in early and leaving earlier than 9-5ers, so manual has always been preference. Actually, BMW is the first automatic car I've ever owned.
The 996 is 6MT and wouldn't have it any other way, don't think could have purchased it if it was Tip. Maybe once I'm older, but thankfully even if I'm stuck in traffic for whatever reason, manual isn't a bother.
Thanks for sharing your preferences, one of the biggest reasons that I prefer the Tiptronic is because I've had 6 knee surgery, 3 each both sides, and right shoulder surgery with a rotator cuff repair.
I have not driven a tip but i am going to assume it works close to what it did on my B5 Audi S4, not bad but certainly not great. I drove a GT3 with the PDK and that is amazing, even the DSG in my Audi S3 is but in a perfect world you could have both manual / PDK
The PDK makes tracking the car so much easier than the manual for me. But I still love the manual.
Thanks for sharing your preferences Tek, I've never tracked my car but I would imagine that MY lap times would be better with a Tiptronic or pdk. Thanks
if I was in your shoes with knee surgeries I would be using a tip as well, it makes far more sense. Being stuck in bad highway traffic with a manual can be annoying and hard on my knees so I can imagine yours
Might as well ask Democrat or Republican, Yankees or Red Sox, religious or atheist, or any other "what's your favorite team?" question. People pick one religion and stick to it, and rarely change. Everybody on their team is right no matter what and everybody else is an idiot no matter what.
P-car is summer Daily and it is a manual. Comparing tiptronics I found the 996 gen.1 really slow, gen.2 somewhat better and a 997.1 a nice driver. Then I got in a manual and never looked back. So much more fun to drive. There is no comparison. The 3.4 is such a cool car to rev, you don't want to spoil that with a lazy tiptronic.
Now if I would need to battle my way through traffic jams everyday it would be a different story I guess but a shame that would be!
My 2004 is a 6 speed x50 turbo.
With two knee ops and one hip repair three days of light-medium traffic, and some nice rural roads, the clutch action pretty much forces me to take a break and drive my DD Scion XB until the pain subsides.
I wish I had found a tip first.
With the vague engagement point of the turbo power clutch setup, which is still quite firm, you are guaranteed to stall it a couple times or slip it excessively after a couple hours driving time.
Most of the folks that drive turbos feel the same, that is that turbo lacks the feel of a NA unit. That is except for one of our high mileage members who sees no difference between Boxster and turbo clutch engagement action.
Own 4 Porsches', 3 are stick (4/5 & 6) the 2000 is a six manual which I love but we bought an 04 turbo with tip as a compromise with my wife and I really do enjoy the car in D or S. I think the sticks are more visceral but the tip really is better.
This thread really does bring up good points for both tip or stick.
Myself and many friends are in late 50s, we all grew with muscle cars.
Back then, the rule of law:
REAL MEN USE 3 PEDALS
Now after 6 knee surgeries and torn rotocuf, I would welcome a PDK, my friends however think a Porsche with an automatic is not a real Porsche.
Note: Most of them can be found on the evolution chart, 3rd from the left .
If there was a way to put a PDK in my 996, I would do it.
Every track day when those pdk cars go screaming by and then the down shifting just cannot be matched.
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I think that's a pretty good way of saying it. I prefer a manual transmission in a sports car.
In my argumentative mind the debate goes something like this...."it doesn't take much driving skill to push down on the go pedal and let the car do all the shifting, but OTOH being a skilled driver is MORE than just shifting gears. It's really about being the fastest around the track so who really cares if you can row the gears or not?"
Doing a fast reference to Adrian Streather's book, ZF manufactured the tip S for the 3.4 996s. But the turbo model contract when to Daimler Chrysler (except for GT2. The Daimler Chrysler went on all the cars starting with the 3.6 engines.
Yes your right , no transmissions in either top fuel funny car or dragster. Multi clutch setup is the way it's done to put power to the tires, although they do have a reverse gear
For what it's worth my old M3 was an automatic. And while you could put it in sport mode and change the gears, it just wasn't fun at all. I certainly prefer a stick. Even when living in San Diego with my Boxster and experiencing the monotony of SoCal traffic every day to and from work or especially on trips up to visit family in LA, I knew as soon as I hit some canyons putting up with a stick in traffic would be worth it. But more and more I'm coming over to the dark side of the idea of PDK....
