The Dark Side

After years with my 993 I am thinking of trading to a 996. Anything I need to look for? I am looking for white on black or silver on black, full leather, and 6 speed. I'm open to most exterior colors except black. I like other peoples black cars, just not mine. I have read about the IMS upgrades and will do that if the car does not have already. I prefer the 99-01 cars but open to other years. Looking for advice and any leads available on for sale cars. I don't want to start a this versus that thread. I want a more simple car to live with, and look forward to your replies. Lucas

Skip 996 and look for a 997.

Here's a great resource for all the stuff you want to know. https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ssues-etc.html

Do it. Long time air cooled 911 owner finally went to a super low mileage concourse C4S. It's everything your car has but in a modern package with more performance and usable comfort. The DNA is not lost on the water cooled cars, just modernized. Do the IMS solution when it's time and forget about the IMS. It's just another wear item. Buy the cleanest low mileage car you can afford and enjoy. Get a "full leather interior" because they are significantly higher quality. Try to find a PCA owner car that has been properly taken care of.

When selecting a 997, consider a 2009-2012 997.2, engine was changed and ended any lingering IMS demons.

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Or he could take the proceeds from the 993 and buy two very well sorted 996's.

The '99 is like an air cooled but with more power. What's your usage? DD, AutoX, track? Not sure why some people would recommend you go straight to a 997. The newer they get the more they do for you. And you don't sound like somebody that appreciates comfort more than character.

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Maybe, if the op has a very low mileage 993 c4s and goes after 2 high mileage base 996.1's. It would be close.

Forget the 997.1 (unless you like the looks) and stay with the 996. The 997.1 isn't out of the IMS woods and it is heavier and the interior is tacky compared to the more classic analog look of the 996. Its all about your budget. When it comes to the IMS replacement, it is as much about who does it as it is about doing it at all. Early 99-2000 models have the smaller duel row bearing which has a lower failure rate...then there is the middle generation from 02 to 04 that has the second generation and is the source of most failures (still a small number over all)...then the 05 to 08 997.1 which after mid to late 05 have the third generation which is about as failure free as the early ones. For a road car the 996 is great...light, agile, and it has a spare tire so you won't be stuck waiting for the flat bed and playing with a can of sealant. None of the 997s have spares so it is risk management time. 997.2s are not trouble free but I have been told by a well known shop that if you go that way, stay with the 09 and avoid the later ones. If you are going to be spending 997.2 money...or even 997.1 money...look at a 996 tt...a great engine without the IMS issue, tons of fun/power...etc, etc. However if you are working on a tighter budget then the first two years of 996s offer one of the best bangs for the buck on the planet. You won't be sorry. My own choice is the RWD rather than AWD (turbos are AWD...an exception), coupe over Cab...and I'm an having a very nice time with tiptronic. I might go back to a manual but I have no real complaints...you can even heal and toe a tip and blip the throttle on downshift. Honest.

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Are you kidding? Even if only got 40k for it he could buy two good 996s. Likely he'll get closer to 60k if it's in good shape.

I'm a big fan of 997s (I own one), but the prices on 996 generation 911s are hard to ignore, if you can budget dough to either proactively replace the well-known mechanical worries or to keep in reserve for a possible failure...T

I drive the 993 to and from work a few days a week and on the weekends. I'm a pool builder here in Baton Rouge and my daily is a Duramax 2500. The 996 would (hopefully) be something that has a little less maintenance required than my 993. It seems lately the car is needing A LOT of new parts and I worry about taking quick weekend trips in it and getting stuck. I love my 993, but the air conditioner is not necessarily up to speed in the Baton Rouge summer heat. Also, I feel like the time to sell is now while air cooled prices are strong. I could sell the 993 and get a car that is easier to live with and get a little money back. I feel like the 996 is a smaller more simple car than the 997.

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996 interior better than 997=Wrong Certain year 996's are more immune to IMS Failure=Wrong Late model 997.2 engines are trouble=Wrong Coupe over Cab=Mostly Wrong 997 has no spare tire=Right! Tiptronic is nice= Definitely Wrong I give your review a D-

A white 996 is quite rare but silver was a very popular colour so you should have no trouble finding one out there. Very early 996's had a dual row IMSB, which is much more reliable than the small diameter single row (about mid-2000 to 2005). Mid-2005 saw the switch to a larger diameter single row, which was again much more reliable. Love my '04 996 and I'm sure you'll come to love your 996 too. It's an awesome sports car for a very reasonable price right now. Good luck with your search!

What's you budget? I would recommend at C4s, you get standard full leather, turbo brakes/suspension, and a very attractive body. I agree, if you want to cash out, sell your 993. The market has topped.

As mentioned the 993 (and in general, classic car market) has peaked and some argue prices have started to decline. CNBC had an article on it today I believe, as a result of lower sales at Monterey. Might as well cash out if you really want a 996, given they seem to have plateaued.

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No, the 99 is not like the air cooled. At all. Ever. And your bs about the 99 being the best thing since sliced bread is tired as hell. enough already. Been sleeping for a few years? A nice condition 993 with moderate miles is a $45k to $50k vehicle. That easily buys 2 nice 996s with no difficulty whatsoever. Are you bipolar? Seriously? You spend half your time asking about 997s and the other half suggesting that the 996 is better. And thats not to mention the 37 or so other inaccuracies in your post. And I suggest a rule that if you quote "a well respected mechanic", you must name said individual. early 9A1s are better now? Who said this?

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More simple? Potentially. Depends how your 997 is optioned. They can be done quite simply without pasm or any of the electronic doodads. As for size: 996 wheelbase: 92.6" 997 wheelbase: 92.5" to 92.9" 996 length: 174.5" 997 length: 174.2" to 177.1" 996 width: 69.6" 997 width: 69.7" 996 height: 51.4" 997 height: 50" to 52.2" In other words, they are essentially identical in size.

I feel bad for the OP. Asked a simple question about an early 996 and got a lesson on 997s.

OP, If your priority lies in reliability and having a good ac system and other creature comforts, yet want to retain some of the raw nature and tossability of the aircooled models and at the same time want a tremendous value, I would look at the '99-01 models as long as you can tolerate the risks of owning one. OTOH, if you're getting out of a 993 for max comfort, refinement, and touring, and would want to error on the safe side, I would shoot for a 997.2 with the DFI motor in it. They still have little issues here and there but not nearly enough compared ti the previous generations. If you do the research, I think you will find that the 996 is very close in dimension to the 997. Good luck on whatever you decide.

what an amazing thread.

To the OP, you have to ask yourself what would you gain by jumping to a 996. If it's the maintenance and reliability of the 993 that seriously concerns you, then jumping to a 996 won't solve these two core problems because you'll find that you're spending as much money in preventive maintenance (e.g. IMS, RMS, etc.) for the 996. As everyone knows, the value of the 993 is shooting out of the roof and although you have the less desirable cabriolet, it's still worth a nice chunk of change my friend. Have you ever thought of just holding onto it for value sake? I mean in 10 - 15 years, you could potentially see the value jump close to $100K. That would be a nice retirement, huh? Right now, it's not uncommon to find a decent Mk1 996 for under $20K, but remember, you'll more than likely spend $5,000 easily getting it to a point where you feel confident that it won't leave you stranded on the side of the road. I don't want to put anymore rennlist poison in your head, but the 993 was the last air cooled car; therefore, it will gain demand due to the numbers dwindling over time and when supply is low and demand is high, you'll be able to cash in some day. I leave you with one personal example, when I was a kid, my father's neighbor offered to sell his practically brand new 1977 Porsche Carrera Turbo for only $14,000. That was a lot of money back then and so my dad turned him down. Today, it's not uncommon to see '77 turbos sell for more than $150,000 at auction. Cheers!

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I'm just sharing my experience and opinion on the subject. I could afford pretty much any non-exotic Porsche I wanted and and have owned a 997tt and driven a 997 and a 991S. I choose the '99 and love it. So I still think it's the best value for the dollar of any sports car right now and it's the best thing since sliced bread. And while I'm equally annoyed that every post you make is critical, derogatory or negative, I am at least comforted by the fact that most of the time you don't bother coming out of your little hole.

Olivia and JI in one thread? Someone wake up Hurdi to make everything perfect!

Now I understand "Quadcammer Mode". Slakker, ignore him... he's one of those kinds that gets a high off of sardonic comments.

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Hey Slakker, that's just Quadcammer being Quadcammer. Don't take it personally as that is just his personality.

I miss KK (the original )

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Haha, fair enough. It's all good.

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It is my search and research of 997.1s that led me to reconsider the 996. Please be more specific about the other 37 inaccuracies...happy to discuss them with you. Since I could not put quotation marks around a specific set of words, and because I had not asked the mechanic for permission to quote him, I did not give his name. But don't take my word for it, do your own research. My feelings are too avoid the 2010 through 2012 997.2s and go with an 09...if that becomes my choice. And notice I was able to reply to you without resorting to childish name calling.

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A sardonic action is one that is "disdainfully or skeptically humorous" or "derisively mocking." Quadcammer may sometimes be a ball-busting curmudgeon, but I'm not certain he's sardonic. Example: Oh, damn, 5CHN3LL just dumped one of his sardonic replies in Hurdi's "how to nail Home Depot gutter guard to your 996 before endoing into a concrete divider" thread. I assume so - it's the only explanation I can find that explains churning through a handful of Porsches in 2-3 years in a zero-sum exercise and torching money in the process. I like you more when you post "Blow me, a**hole" and storm off for a month to lick your wounds (and buy, and subsequently sell, and then buy back a 911)...

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I think Webster's "simple definition" of Sardonic fits Quadcammer:

The '99 996 is simply a far superior car to the 993 series. Even Porsche agrees. It's a fact. Please sir, can I have some more?

That's not Oliver...THIS is Oliver!

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OP - here are some thoughts that haven't been shared as you debate moving to the 996 from your 993. Interior ergonomics (notice I didn't say material quality) are step up in the 996 - gauges are easy to spot, switch gear is within reach, AC & heat controls are simplified, especially in a track setting - it's designed for speed and focus Pedal spacing is obviously completely different, not only are they hinged from the top now, but heel toeing requires some new muscle memory (for example) Unless you want driver aids - find a low optioned 996, no PSM, no TC, etc... It will feel different and also very familiar to your 993 Oil changes and routine maintenance is simplified - you have the luxury of having items in logical locations and not being slammed in wherever they will fit Shifter feel is totally different - there's something about the G50 transmission and mechanical linkage that the 996 just doesn't have - you'll miss it The increased torque and power is noticeable in the 996 - a basic narrow body C2 feels a bit more nimble than every 993 that I've driven You'll miss the sound of the doors shutting on the 993 Just like a mandatory top end rebuild on your 993 (in CA at least), certain engine items will pop-up (IMSB, etc...) just plan for them and know that they are usually less expensive to do than what you'll experience in the 993 world Lastly, I recommend looking for a basic NB 996 - don't immediately disregard a mostly vinyl interior, especially in black - they age very, very well and will look like new way beyond what most leather filled interiors will as a ton of 996 buyers haven't kept the leather in great shape over the years

^^ At least someone around here is articulately factual. (I'll have to give it a shot sometime and see what it feels like.)

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Mostly correct, with the exception of the supposedly mandatory top end. Oh, and I'm not sure the interiors hold up well. That soft touch plastic, particularly in the center console area, get destroyed very easily.

* The Porsche (Becker sourced) CDR series stereos are known to go completely silent or lose their codes for no reason at all. * If you remove the seats and turn on the car's power, you'll get an Airbag light that can only be turned off via a diagnostic unit like the Durametric. * If you let a 996 sit in armed mode with no working keyfobs and the battery goes dead, it will cost you a small fortune to fix * The 996 loves milkshakes * The all leather option is a must, but the rubberized paint on the console and seat backs are a joke! * The Porsche silver horn crest is the holy grail * The convertible tops work most of time * The immobilizer is under the seat but is prone to water damage on the cabriolets * The electronic frunk release is prone to failure and even a simple dead battery can make your life a living hell. * The Porsche 996 loves Mobil 1 oil only, because there's a sticker under the rear hood to prove it. * The Porsche 996 uses only pink coolant, if you go with a different color, the engine will have to be shipped to Stuttgart, German and personally flushed by one of the Porsche or Pi�ch family members . * The 996 should be driven like it's stolen. Why? Because that the Porsche tradition and they have been robbing us at every turn for more than 60 years. all for now!

I once heard if you replace a certain portion of your airbox on a 996 with a orange Gillete cap, it can give you a really sporty sound and make you think your're faster and also save your wallet on having to upgrade the exhaust. There must be some merit to it since there are tons of pages on the subject matter.

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Ha! Don't do it - we can't all become boring like me

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Doesn't the '99 have mechanical linkage?

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Poster was probably getting mixed up with the 915 transmissions which had cable clutch. The G50 transmissions came with hydraulic clutch system unless you half-retroffited a G50 unit into an older car and didn't do the hydro conversion.

I had a very clean 993 C2 for a few years as well as many other air cooled 911's over the years. I can easily recommend a well optioned 996 as a step up in every way. As mentioned, the "full leather" is a must in the 996/997 and a major upgrade over any air cooled interior. You won't hear the "ping" when closing the doors on a 996/997 but they have a quality feel less the "ping". The 996 was the start of Porsche learning to fleece their customers with options so there are a lot of them and gives the 996 a diverse level of car. Not so good for a bare bones base model but great for a loaded up top model. This is why you can find so many opinions on the 996/997 interiors.

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Without getting into the weeds - the 993/G50 shift linkage is completely different than the cables on the 996. Even without the RS or Golden Rod, the 993 feels completely different than a 996. My advice for the PO is that he'll likely miss that feeling when moving to the 996. Not saying one is "better or worse" just different and I'd bet most 993 drivers would feel a standard 996 shifter is not a step forward.

I have enjoyed reading all the replies. Keep 'em coming. I knew the 996 vs 99X would bring up a lot of different views and enjoy hearing the strong and weak points of each car. Is the shifter feel in the 996 turbo the same as a NA 996? I have a friend near me who has a car that I can drive. I love the solid feel the 993 has but it is sounding like I need to find a 996 here to drive before I make the jump. I can't imagine that it feels any less special than my 97 coupe. Lucas

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It's a 911, it will be really fun to drive and no one without a car forum login will know the difference between your current car and a 996. The rest is just bull**** to make people feel better/worse about themselves/others.

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Just because it's true doesn't mean you have to call us out on it. Take out all the BS and the forum's post count would drop my 90%! Where's the fun in that?

Go back and reread the reviews when the 996's first came out. While the press was busy RAVING about the "best 911 ever," the air-cooled crowd was stringing together meandering paragraphs where they tried - and failed - to explain how a 911 that was faster and more capable in every measurable way compared to the models it replaced was somehow a piece of crap that deserved to be hated. *shrug* A quartz Seiko keeps better time than most Rolexes. That means what? Nothing, really. If what you care about is an accurate timepiece, the Seiko is best. If you care less about accuracy and you are a fan of handcrafted analog watches, obviously the Rolex is best. The 996 is a Seiko. It's technically better than the old version in all the ways you can represent with numbers, but some people will hate it because it's new and different.

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Couldn't have said it any better. A 911 is a 911 is a 911. It's just what you as the owner want out of it and want it to do. There is never a bad choice unless it's not a 911.

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So true. Both cars are absolutely fantastic. Drive a few and you'll find the right one!

As a long time aircooled owner and water cooled genius, you'd be a fool not to buy this car: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-4/ The 993 is a great car - Having owned 2, a 96 C4 and later a 95 C2, I can say they are a great driving and great looking machine. IMO think 996 C4S is better looking and better driving car. The C4S is also better driving than my old 1959 sunroof coupe Funny I hear all the negative Shiz about 996 but never the 993 issue regarding clogged air passages and the $6500 top end rebuild to remedy. I had to do this repair on my 1996 C4. CEL light comes on and no passy emissions. All the best to those sucking air and spitting water

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because in a lot of cases, a few hours with some brake cable, carb cleaner, and some pressurized air will clear up the SAI passages. some things seem to have changed since you owned your 993. And hows this, clogged SAI ports will cause a check engine light. Compare that to IMS failure, D-chunk, Cracked heads, destroyed tensioner pads, etc etc etc (all the way up to the 26 or more failure modes). In terms of money and aggravation, I know which one I would take any day of the week.

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Groov, Let me get this straight, looking at the five service invoices, it appears you've put more than $17,000 into this car on top of what you paid for it, correct??? Yikes!

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The Boxster?

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Groove would never do that on a 996 to my best guess. It's probably the receipts of the PO.

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Good point! My wife bought me a Rolex for $2300 and when I took it to the Rolex dealer he pointed out, that it was still being made and now worth more than $8,000 new. He would have easily given me double what my wife paid it. Did I sell it? Nope, it's still on my arm keeping *perfect* time. Can't say the same for my Seikos.

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I've never seen a Rolex for $2300, except maybe one of JI's ones. With that said, anyone is kidding themselves in trying to justify a non COSC watch being able to keep time better than a $15 quartz Seiko or Timex. Whether any of us like to admit it or not, it's really just bling man's jewelry. I'm in the same boat. Wearing my BR-02 today. I've thinned the herd quite a bit but been there and done that. My next one will be a Blancpain since I never had one before.

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You won't and that's the point. And yes, mine is real Alpine... ain't got *time* for no Folex watch! hahaha

Both are Rolex models, it's just the 996 and later water cooled models are a Rolex with the new CALIBRE 3255 movement. I am a (Rolex, VC, Pam, Omega , Ball, etc..) WIS as well PorscheRunTimeNet.jpg

oh god, now we're watch bragging. sigh.

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I know, some people are so annoying.

Everyone's jelly.

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I have a short shift kit on my car so it feels pretty direct and mechanical. I know when I test drove a 996 Turbo it felt very rubbery with long throws in comparison. The good thing is the 996 shift action can be improved for a modest cost. It may still not feel as direct as a 993 but it can be improved significantly.

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Whos bragging?? I thought the analogy was accurate considering a time piece analogy was brought up earlier.

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Alright, the hairy wrist contest is on.

#Harambelives

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Lol.... Just spit coffee on my monitor.

My second P car, first 911. Crazy cool car. I went for lowest mileage best example I could find. Im doing age related updates and IMS. It is well worth it. Classic looks, and its still modern. Bought 03 C4S, 10k miles in near new condition.

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I win!

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we needed that picture of your rolex for what reason?

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We needed you to login to rennlist ever for what reason?

Look again, it's not a Rolex....

I'll play just to make Quadcammer even happier.

Here's my timepiece. It's kind of interesting and unique. But it's old and analogue, so it doesn't work worth a ****. Just like a 993.

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You need a tissue for your tears little boy?

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That doesn't even make any sense. Do better. Like, always. Be better than you are. Each and every time. Bring that total of times you were better to 1. That would be awesome.

Yeah, something like this:

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oh, so it doesn't have 26 failure modes and you can actually use it without having to review its oil filter for metal shavings? man, what a pos. It sure does make sense, because you don't stop crying. Then again, if I had a 996, I'd probably cry also.

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A certified chronometer can lose up to 4 seconds and gain up to 6 seconds a day; a certified quartz movement can only vary by .07 seconds a day. This means that a CERTIFIED analog chronometer, complete with the pretty certification medallion and paperwork, can gain up to 85x more time daily than a quartz movement. The best analog watches can't come anywhere close to the accuracy of a quartz watch, regardless of how many jeweled bearings (or Mezger engines) you stuff inside. This was my point with the air-cooled cars - yes, they may have been hand-crafted whereas the 996 and later 911's are mass-produced; the engines are no longer hand-built on the laps of German virgins, and each gauge cluster dial face is no longer lovingly buffed with the ******* of an albino unicorn - but it's still a superior device when it comes to quantifiable performance benchmarks. Nissan people think the new GT-R is a soulless monster compared to the Skyline GT-R; if you blocked out all references to the names and manufacturer, those arguments sound a whole lot like they could actually be happening on Rennlist.

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Well, your "be better" count is still at 0. Try again.

right, so you have no actual response, so you retreat to posting dumb pictures. that pretty much sums you up quite well.

It's human nature to want to best other people. Air-cooled Porsche guys think they're better than water-cooled Porsche guys; water-cooled Porsche guys think they're better than Corvette guys; C1/C2 Corvette guys think they're better than C3/C4/C5/C6 guys; C7 Corvette guys think they're better than ALL other Corvette guys. You'd think that Trans Am guys would think they're better than Firebird guys - but in fact, they are immune from this ridiculous automotive pecking order. They - and their glorious mullets - are too busy dodging the deputy sheriffs trying to serve them court paperwork for all those missed child support payments to care about who they're better than... and in this way, this means mulleted Trans Am drivers are probably the best humans among us.

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Well, it just works better when all of the participants make a worthwhile contribution. That's all we're saying.

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Yes... Apparently, you missed what was behind the watch and the title of the picture. Who would have thought a automatic watch would be touchy on a Porsche forum?? You must go nuts at any "Cars and Coffee" or PCA event where automatic watches are also worn around owners wrist with those conservative cars all parked around not gathering any attention. Oddly enough, none of the watch forums have a problem with cars in the background of their wrist shots. And for those that dont know..... a "wrist shot" from a WIS is considered the same as a garage shot on a car forum. Its not considered "bragging". There are plenty of WIS on this forum. WIS ='s watch collector. Its a forum, and many of us collect and have other outside interest that commingle with the Porsche culture.

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^^^^ On paper and theory... There's been documented posts that compares typical low end quartz to some COSC watches and outcomes are a bit different. Obviously it depends on the quartz movmt and how well regulated and fine tuned the COSC movt is beyond it's COSC minimum requirements. But in general, I do agree with the fact that majority of the quartz are going to win every time in the time keeping dept. My fav is a Citizen I've had for 11 years. Battery still functions and has really surprised me in every way. Sorry everyone to stray off the path but it is typical RL...

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The switch to watches has been an upgrade from where the original conversation was at anyways. I also just ordered my first automatic cronograph today - trying out a Seiko 5 Sport to see how much I enjoy not having ticking noises and batteries.

Ok ok ok... I'm officially in the hairy wrist watch contest. This one has been ol' faithful, but has given up the ghost. Probably needs a good oiling like their organs. And yes, Hammond made clocks before they made organs!

Today's the 25th, you time traveler. He's a witch!!

Wow, go away for a couple days and this thread spins out of control. My only observation is: who wears watches anymore?

^^when do you think the pictures were taken? Opps... today...OMG... It's not Tuesday??? My analog Rolex is off!!!! 5CHN3LL is right all along! Why didn't I see it! Wonder what date my Citizen has on it??? bwhahahahahaha

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Those that appreciate quality of a fine mechanical machine that live by the motion of its wearer. Its the same quality appreciation one would have of a Steinway or Les Paul. Somethings never go out of style.

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I may have the win... On a Porsche theme...."Do you take you watch off when detailing your 911?" WheelNetPTime.jpg

Holy crap this one thread has covered so many topics! If my head wasn't attached it would be spinning with all of the subject changes! We may have scared off the OP just by virtue of this thread. He may go look for a Trans Am now instead.

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What OP? hahaha! And, where's you hairy wrist watch?

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I'm at least trying to keep a P-car theme.

Whatever you do... don't let 5CHN3LL convenience anyone on this humble thread to google "pink sock". I did and I'm forever cursed ... my mind is poisoned forever.

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Those movements are pretty solid and they are good watches. I had one of the first modified Seiko "monsters" back in the day. Custom Sapphire Crystal, Dial, Hands, Lumination redone, custom PVD coating, custom AR coating, Movement custom regulated.

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Wearing a watch and posting a picture of it on your wrist on a forum about cars, in a thread not about watches seems a bit unusual, don't you think? And I greatly enjoy mechanical watches, post on watchuseek, and own plenty of them. That said, your post seemed to be nothing more than "look you guys, I have a rolex".

Wait, we're doing timepieces? Here's mine!

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Certainly not my intent. The Porsche and watch culture attract the same people with common interest. Thats all the 911/watch pic was about.

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Remembering back, there was an earlier post comparing corvettes. Surely he wouldn't have to suffer all these watch snobs if he went that route!

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Looks like a very nice piece that has definitely gotten some good use! It's really hard to beat the quality at that price point from what I've seen. The other watches I've been looking at cost ten times as much. I'll get there eventually I'm sure, but it also doesn't hurt to have some variety, and the 5 is a neat piece with some history behind it.

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Watch Snobs = Guys that care of what others think and only get watches based on brands, status, etc. Watch Enthusiasts = Guys that care about the composition, quality, history, movement, materials regardless of brand or perception.

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It's a matter of perspective. Go ask the next corvette driver you see if he thinks there's a difference

There is nothing snobby about a fine automatic watch as there is nothing snobby owning a Porsche 911, nice home, great suit , quality anything, etc.... Porsche owners should know this because the same ignorant stereotype assumptions go along with P-car ownership branded by the general public. It certainly shouldn't have to be explained here.

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I'd rather ask him if there's a difference between EdelBrock, Holley, Demon Carbs instead and tell him he's a snob.

Wonder what type of watch Jake Raby wears? Ha! Ok, sue me!

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He doesn't wear one as time stands still when he works on engines. Why do you think there is a year+ waiting time. Cha ching! Couldn't help myself.

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I'm aware, I was being facetious. I very much appreciate nice watches for the effort put into what's inside them, but they, along with with the 911, are opulences that not many are able to afford, and that I count myself lucky to be able to enjoy. People will be people - there will always be something at every level. I personally will argue to great lengths about which domestic light beer I prefer. gnat can back this statement up.

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I only wear a Rolex because I can't carry the Porsche into the bar to impress all the ladies...

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Gotcha.... I am buying everyone a beer. 6e06fc51663d08720a0c0cd943bc2749.jpg

Is a good beer really as nice as a great watch? Come on... really? They all look alike anyway! I'm sure they prolly taste alike too... so why spend money on the "good expensive stuff" when you could have "Billy Beer"!!!? (snicker)

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Dunno, the last beer type that everyone raved about sure did taste like I so P ropyl A lcohol to me.

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In.

I'll take a half one, please.

BTW, 993s are flammable. https://www.facebook.com/vladdth/videos/10208020825334979/

So Rolex watch ads are showing up at the top of this thread now... Let's see... Lingerie lingerie lingerie

Entry for the hairy arm contest

Sorry double post. Will upload harry arm watch pics later.

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I await with bated breath.

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For the record - I do not want to see your organ. This is the timekeeping device I find most useful at work. I even signed it because that somehow seems necessary in this thread.

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This seems like a great clock for people who tend to go on benders.

I have 7 of those all set differently.

I take the battery out intermittently just to f**k with employees.

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IMHO Omega is a better analogy - unmatched history, horological innovations, records, etc. A Speedmaster Professional is possibly the ultimate gear head watch (Magnus wears one if that helps). And the WUS thread "what omega owners drive" has over 2k posts. FWIW a "WIS" (Watch Idiot Savant) isn't necessarily a collector - most have only 2 or 3 mechanicals.

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Did it work? Can't tell from my phone. I actually got a bottom of the line Rolex for my 16th birthday. It was very surreal. We weren't rich by American standards and I was really hoping for a car. Traded it for a Tag and some boot when I got to college. It bought a lot of beer and I still had a nice piece.

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Not working, dammit! Btw what's "boot"? Cash?

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Yes. Lol, old trading term. "Getting the other person to kick in some boot on the deal."

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: Thought you meant "booty." A nice piece indeed:

Who's talkin' bout Rolex's... I am the self appointed Supreme Emperor.....ROLEX11.... My father was ROLEX10, grandfather ROLEX09...you get the idea...

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How does she keep the farts from escaping?

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Talk about jelly, have you not seen my talking watch thread?

I like this watch...

^ I know exactly what time it would be if she was available...

First, I see ads for plastic shopping bags at the top of this thread. Not sure what that means. Maybe you put your Rolex's in them? And what is a Dub show. That burning 993 was sad, but I am unfamiliar with a Dub show.

Is this what the 996 has done to Porsche enthusiasts?

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If you happen to own a 996 I would assume you were a Porsche enthusiast??? Who else would own a 911 with THOSE headlights? So what's your point?

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Takes me back to the stiff shifter in the morning thread...

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Honestly, I actually prefer the 996 "pod" lights. The bug-eye had its time and feel the 996 lights look better without the light in the front bumper and is a good progression. Compared to the new lights being used in other Porsche vehicles, the 996 lights look more in style to me. It just took some years for the other designs to catch up. I would be considered a long time hard core 911 enthusiast. On a side observation. I noticed the 996 side of the forum is more fun and less stuffy like the old core Porsche owners use to be. I think we all love and respect our cars as much as any other 911 model. I see I like a certain color theme.....That's my Seal Gray with my older Diamond Blue Metalic. Front%20net.jpg SnowfacessNET.jpg

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my point is there was a time when every Porsche owner had a nice watch that came from the same enthusiasm for quality and engineering as the Porsche they owned. now people view a nice watch as bragging rather than good taste in a quality time piece. what happened here? (that's a rhetorical question)

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Gotcha. Well if you were around here a few short years ago, many of us had fun with one member who took his watch Waaaaaay too seriously. Some of us have never gotten over that...

My 03 C2 is my daily driver, and it makes the commute an adventure. I did the IMS thing and water pump, too, so now I just shut up and drive it. The 996 is one of the best deals out there (imo) for a high performance, well made enthusiast-oriented car. * I wear watches that are as well made as the car, not for bragging rights, but simply because i want to arrive on time and I enjoy the engineering that went into them. It cracks me up to see the IT crowd now embracing wearing a watch, but it's one they have to tap, nudge or otherwise bonk to see the readout (try that going thru the twisties on a Harley)

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As one of the aforementioned "IT crowd" I find myself becoming more of luddite. When I come home, I don't want to spend time climbing learning curves for the latest and greatest personal device that keeps me from experiencing the world around me, or digging through menus filled with functions that will rarely be used. Having recently been bitten by the watch bug that my old Fossil quartz and Garmin Fenix 3 couldn't scratch, it's immensely refreshing to put on a mechanically-driven watch. There's no worries about batteries dying, functions to figure out, or data overload that comes with a smart watch. It just works, and the appreciation for the engineering behind it I'm sure is the same that draws a lot of us to these cars as well. If I'm going to spend my money and energy on technology, it's going to be in pursuit of furthering my career.

I can't remember the last time I wore a watch, probably 8 years ago. The wife and kids saved up and bought Apple watches this summer so I took a hand me down Fitbit charge hr. I absolutely love it. My sleep patterns suck and this gives me a way to track them. I also like having the date at the push of a button and to see what my heart rate is during various activities. Finally I have a watch that provides useful functionality that my smartphone can't.

What a thread! What's your favorite bottle of expensive red wine to enjoy while admiring your 996 (Wearing your Rolex, of course)?

Does CheerWine count?

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Let's see if we can fix this... "There was once a time when orthodontists and liposuctionists and other people living on the outskirts of wealth bought Porsches AND Rolexes to underscore the fact that they make enough money to lease a 911 AND have enough left over for conspicuous displays of wealth and unbridled consumerism like strapping a watch on that cost more than your first two cars combined. It was a simpler time, a time of thick, musky chest hair and wild 70's porno-looking pubes. A time when we knew just how many drinks it would take for a dental assistant to let us piitb without making her blow chunks on the acid-washed Calvins and white linen shirt. The heady days of gently pressing your Micro-tac against your lush man perm. Murses filled with cocaine and the most suave damn mustaches you've ever seen since Village People quit touring. Such a shame that you now actually have to converse with people to guess their net worth instead of just checking the garage and the left wrist..."

Constance Frye, Constance Frye, Anytime you call. She'll fulfill your every need...Winter, spring, or fall.

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I hope you know you now owe me a new keyboard after I just spewed Pepsi all over this one. That was Excellent.

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HAHA!!!!!! Thanks for the good laugh.

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Yea, congrats buddy! I wish you the best! I do like whoppers by the way! Hehehe

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Hmmmm..... something about that just doesn't sound "right."

^^^Hahahahaha... that's funny!

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Quit making fun of me. Bullying is not allowed on Rennlist... I mean...you were talking about ME, right??? Cause it really feels like you are talking about ME...