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It was the last year before DEF and I plan on keeping it for a really long time.
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The EGR system that I had my trucks at the dealership getting repaired under warranty more than on the road.
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"Remanufactured", on the other hand, assumes that Any part with ANY wear on it is replaced along with part that may not show wear but age out, i.e.
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I had the LN bearing , clutch , water pump replaced when I purchased my car .
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Then on top of that there are engine builders that will, as part of their process "Remanufacture" AS WELL AS replace any component that has been known to be sub-optimal with a replacement of higher quality.
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Then on top of that there are engine builders that will, as part of their process "Remanufacture" AS WELL AS replace any component that has been known to be sub-optimal with a replacement of higher quality.
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Crawling through Panorma, wondering if my 2000 cab will ever blow up, wishing I had a coupe so I could track it, and came upon ads from VertexAuto and RND engines...and starting thinking gee a rebuilt engine doesn't look that bad. Vertex has 3.4 long blocks for $9k (core charge to apply)...wondering if anyone here has prices from RND. It costs about $5500 to do the IMS solution to my car so a whole motor for about twice the price seems like a better deal. Sure there's labor and shipping, etc. But $15000 all in doesn't seem that bad when you compare it to the rising costs of everything else these days. And if you really like the car and want to keep it (or one like it) you'd be looking at many many years of solid performance. Anybody use either of these suppliers for their engines, and if so, how did it work out for you.
1. Why/What is it that causes it to cost $5500 for an IMS Solution to be installed on your car? Seems way higher than it should. But maybe you get a free "Lattes For Life" card or something from the barista with that...
2. Since you are comparing the cost to a rebuilt Vertex motor, are they now including an IMS Solution in their rebuilds? It's not any kind of valid comparison otherwise.
3. "Rebuilt" to me means an engine has been stripped down/disassembled and any parts that are BEYOND a certain wear factor are replaced. However, some wear on components is perfectly acceptable and common. If you have a running engine that has no current issues, you are basically replacing like for like, i.e. it would be stupid.
4. "Remanufactured", on the other hand, assumes that Any part with ANY wear on it is replaced along with part that may not show wear but age out, i.e. plastic. Big difference there as compared to "rebuilt".
5. Then on top of that there are engine builders that will, as part of their process "Remanufacture" AS WELL AS replace any component that has been known to be sub-optimal with a replacement of higher quality. I believe FlatSix would fall into that category. At a higher cost, of course.
I can't see myself ever buying an engine unless it is either NEW, or as explained in my points 4 and 5 above. Replacing a perfectly functioning engine with another for $9500 that works just as well but could be just as worn or more seems dumb.
And no, I don't buy into the IMS hype but do agree that the IMS Solution is the current best "solution" to the potential issue.
I apologize in advance for my ignorance on this, but what is panorma? I have seen this said in another post and originally thought it was just panorama that spell check did fix. But, in both cases i have seen it used it appears to be a place of information or forum. Thanks in advance for catching me up!
panorama is the official magazine of the PCA (Porsche Club of America)
if you join the club, your membership fee will include a monthly copy of the magazine, at no cost.
https://www.pca.org/panorama-back-issues
Considering your track record, are you really trying to decide between six grand worth of preventive maintenance vs.15 grand for a new engine for a car you'll own for another month or two? 6 at the outside; I'll put 10 bucks on that.
Perhaps start out with something a bit more realistic... An air freshener? Maybe a new set of floor mats? A tank of Techron? Top off the wipe- I mean, have the dealer top off the wiper fluid?
Were you planning to wait until your engine blows up, or are you going to buy a new engine and install it as preventive maintenance? If the latter it's a shame KK is not around... He'd be proud.
That's the price quoted by Tony Callas' shop. This is for the complete solution that never has to be done again...ever. And because it is a tiptronic it requires removing some suspension parts and that then requires a new alighment. And it probably reflects west coast labor rates and the cost of doing business in California...and as I sure most know, to have this work done requires the engine being pre-qualified, which I am sure adds even more labor to the issue. In my opinion if you are going to do it, I'd rather do it once than look at it as a something that has to be done ever five years. Of course if one doesn't plan on keeping a car that long then maybe it doesn't pay to do it at all.
The reason I've been asking about the different rebuilds on engines isn't because I plan on doing it now or in the near future but because I'd rather look ahead and have a plan in place should it be necessary to do it. It cost me ten thousand to have a mildly hot 4 cyclinder race engine built back in 1989, so fifteen thousand in today's dollars for a...call it a "replacement" engine...doesn't seem that far out of line. To see what the Vertexauto engines include you can visit their website or look at the ad in Panorama. The RND ad doesn't give as much info but they also have a website and I will be checking that out.
As I mentally jump around from car to car...996 vs 997 tip vs pdk vs manual narrow body vs S...I really want to find a keeper that will satisfy all my interests. For me to be comfortable tracking a car...even just DE...I'd want the IMS either solved or in a 997.2, not even there. And then there is the oil starvation issue. For me the LN deep sump sounds like the most fool proof solution.
The ultimate solution might be to just keep my money in my pocket and wait for the 993/964 market to come back down to earth. The weak link is the OBD2 cars of post 1995. But in terms of todays dollars, I think the 996 is the best bargain out there...including the cost of a new engine. And that is why I'm looking for people who have tried the vendors I mentioned.
I dunno, if you had a whole bunch of jobs that needed done - timing chain guides, thermostat, water pump, plug tubes, idk what else - and throw an IMS bearing into the mix, a $9k "rebuild" starts to make moderate sense. Especially if you're paying $$$ for someone else's labour.
Me, I'd rather have 4 or 5 above, and if / when my engine grenades or needs major work I know who I'm calling. But you can make an economic argument for both approaches.
Curious what you mean by this part. OBD-II is a godsend once you have a couple of older sports cars for which Comrade Brown and the CARB require smog certificates every 2 years. Sure, there ECU/DME can suck to replace, but having a car that can at least hint at what's wrong is a DIY ace in the hole...the emission readiness feature has saved me hundreds of dollars over the years.
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny...Are you ok dude? First you firmly stated that the 997.2 engine is unreliable because, well, someone told you so. Second, you got all hopped up on the 1970's Fiero chassis even though Fiero's didn't start production until the mid 80's and now you are all worried about replacing an engine in a future Porsche even though you have no idea if you will really need to or, what kind of Porsche you will own.
I guess the last one doesn't really make you too much different than everyone else around here, but me thinks you might be off your meds again...
I think Johnny was on his GTI break and missed that awesome deal on floor mats from those totally legit and upstanding college kids. Those would have been right up his alley.
Thanks to those who actually responded to the questions in the post. Again, the price I quoted was what I got from the shop I mentioned. It was not for just swapping out the bearing, it was for a more detailed replacement that required much more labor and time. There seems to be three ways to address the IMS bearing. 1. Ignore it and keep driving. 2. Replace it every five years. 3. Do the Jake Raby "it lasts forever" fix.
Since the engines that fail don't all fail in the exact same way or at the same mileage or time, and because some give warnings, it makes sense to me to have my options investigated. Because my cars are always daily drivers it is important to me to have as little down time as possible when it is I the shop. If "something happened" knowing that I can drop a dime and have a long block sent in just a few days to my mechanic of choice makes a good use of time and money in my book.
Any other comments on the topic of the original post are welcome.
I have to do the ins as well, but when adding the 'while in there, : clutch, aos, oil cooler rings....then it does come close to $5k.
i wish there was a trusted builder but really so far nothing stands out. MBM is close to me but no documented rebuild on rennlist that is not good ... Ray too expensive and takes all his client to the cleaners , building the M96 scare legend one phone call at a time...
still looking for good rebuild experience posted on rennlist... so far none I recall
I had UFO motorsport rebuild my 996 engine with an LN IMS after an early IMS failure. I put 30K flawless miles on the car before I sold it. Was the $7500 refresh they offered.
I'm not interested in the internet BS about this that or the other thing. Or the cult following of specific engine builders on this website. Some of the clicky bs that goes on here is ridiculous. There are lots of LOCAL testimonials for MB that are very positive.
Johnny,
I'm afraid you have your work cut out for you if you want to exert that much more effort in the research as engine "rebuilds" vary quite a bit between most of these engine builders. It's like comparing apples/oranges/pears/whatever in between. You have to determine which set of replacement components will be the most important to you in a "rebuild". Every engine builder is going to have a difference of opinion/philosophy on engine building and deciding what components to replace or not.
FYI, you can track your cab with certain organizations. That is, unless you don't feel safe doing it in a cab. I don't know which, but I sure a quick Google search will help. Tony could probably point you in the right direction as well.
Wtf amigo? All I did was share a quote from Martin. As a proud American I would rather do business with someone that doesn't trash my country. Others may view it differently. Thats their right and what makes this country great.
Why not? You hate Polish people, or immigrants? (not that there is anything wrong with you, there is about 40% of you in USA) There is not one lie in what he said. Not the right time or place for that kind of text, specially in his position but he did only come in 2006 so there are some cultural difference.
Ps. He did cherry pick some education facts. But oh well, like I said not the most eloquent man. Let his work speak for him not his marketing and I would like to see some complains from previous customers about his workmanship that would shut everyone up real good.
Hi Martin. If you check every single one of my threads you will never see me say a single negative thing about any country. I've been to Africa 7 times, Asia 4, Europe 5 and South America once. Every culture has its strengths and weaknesses. Just as every individual human has their strengths and weaknesses. If you trashed Africa, I probably would have simply voiced my disagreement with you. But since you trashed my home country, I will continue to bring it up every time someone mentions your company unless I have good reason not to.
And I do happen to also own 5 fords, 8 chevy and 10 dodges. The best trucks in the world are designed and assembled in America, IMO and experience.
You've stated you have all of the business you want and don't need any off of Rennlist. I'm just trying to do my part to help you out is all.
I didn't say you screwed him over.
I said you screwed the pooch in how you handled the whole situation. DrMEMs definitely contributed to his problems going on so long without resolution, but your responses in that thread got to be beyond ridiculous.
Martin, I'm not sure that sweeping, offensive generalizations about Americans is necessarily the best way to sell engines to Americans. Just spitballing here - I'm no genius; I only got a master's degree, which I'm sure is equivalent to a two-week dog obedience course in Europe, but I think I might be on to something.
That's it for me...I'm off to stare at my bank balance for a while and wish I knew how to calculate percentages...
Suncoast has a long block reman -
Please remember that this is the block only, no heads, gaskets, etc.
SHORT BLOCK 1 9413.73 (shipping not included)
6004.79 part price
3408.94 core deposit
All Porsche parts - I Agee only when the motor is in death throws would I consider this
At the end of the day, we are all Human Beings with strengths and flaws. Doesn't much matter where you are from only where you are going in life and how well you handle the journey and the people along the way you travel with!
As for how well cars/trucks are built: Everything I have ever owed has at one point or another went down.
My Ford company trucks - Need I mention the 6.0L Diesel. The EGR system that I had my trucks at the dealership getting repaired under warranty more than on the road. That was painful!
My Chevy Company trucks pre-Duramax called 6.5L Diesel (Yes the one that is in the H1 hummer) They decided to put the electronics brain in the engine bay and went it got hot it shut my trucks down while they were moving.
My Porsche 996 - That had what I would call not the best call in engineering when it came to the IMS (apparently many agree due to the creation of the Upgrades available.
Just smile and keep moving forward and you will find yourself in a better place with a lot of happy people to greet you there!
Will say I do have great respect for our current Mercedes and all the ones we have had in the past in terms of reliability!
Why are you refering to me as Martin. What the hell is happening here???? Are you really insuniating I am him. I have been lurking for 7 years on here so I can defend myself.
So just as I was expecting, you mumbled about nothing for couple paragraphs without providing any concrete facts to provide evidence to back your facts. While its easy to google facts that the MBM guy presented.
http://www.theatlantic.com/education...t-math/281983/
He did use crazy hyperbole to present this fact, like I said the man is terrible with his words and should outsource marketing PR.
Sorry for doing this in this thread there are 2 things I absosltly can't stand.
1. Trashing hard working men for no reason.
2. Keyboard vigilantist. (Specially when they are spewing racist ****).
Shut me up and give me a list of people MBM screwed. Out of hundreds of customers it must be easy.
I don't care about your racist crap. You can do whatever you want. Don't have to prove to me you are not, to each own, we all got screwed by our parents one way or another.
Just because you don't believe in facts doesn't make them any less true.
Hell of an ego you have there
Couldn't be that maybe he was replying to the Martin who had replied to him already could it? Nah that's not very probable.
This was almost as bad as the IMS debacle. Especially coming off the 7.3 Powerstroke which was revolutionary for its time and was my favorite engine. My wife's truck is a '12 dodge mega cab 2500 with the Cummins. It was the last year before DEF and I plan on keeping it for a really long time. For work, we went to gas on everything. Our maintenance costs dropped 40%.
@wucash. Ya, what Gnat said. But where are you getting racist? My beef with Martin centers around the continual unprovoked attacks on Jake, who is a contributing technical member. Whether you agree with Jake's approach, opinions, methodology, or pricing, he still tries to use his knowledge to help people on this board. When we tried to "coach" Martin on what was acceptable business practice, he lashed out at Rennlist, threatened members who disagreed, and showed general poor taste. I find his behavior completely unacceptable. So anytime someone taught a his services, I am more than happy to simply quote him and let others determine for themselves if that's who they want to do business with.
While we are on the subject, here is another Martin post. In my opinion, he is a spoiled little bully, regardless of what culture he comes from. And I certainly don't judge the Polish culture based on his actions.
Originally Posted by MBMotorsports View Post
no one is anonymous. If you think you can sit behind your computer and call people whatever you like, think again! This is your final warning.
^^^^That one was directed to me. He stalked my FB page and my wife's. Trust me I thought long and hard about driving down to FLA and dishing out a good *** kicking. Wucash do some more research about this a-hole.
Back on topic: I truly hope that those prices are correct above.
When I look it up, I get two short blocks. One of them is around $22k and the other is inline with the price you found at around $6k. I hope someone can get to the bottom of this and make sense of it.
Short Engine
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$22,304.38
M96.01
YEAR DESCRIPTION
1998-1999 3.4L -CYL (911 CARRERA)
M96.02
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1999-1999 3.4L -CYL (911 CARRERA +M620 C4)
Comprising: Crankcase Connecting Rod Crankshaft Oil Pump Timing Chain Parts Kit Without Gaskets Use Also:
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IX51
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1998-2005 POWERKIT 250 KW
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99610421554
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90037813100
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99917020791
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(99 UP TO YEAR 01)
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$6,305.71
M96.01
YEAR DESCRIPTION
1998-1999 3.4L -CYL (911 CARRERA)
M96.02
YEAR DESCRIPTION
1999-1999 3.4L -CYL (911 CARRERA +M620 C4)
Comprising: Crankcase Connecting Rod Crankshaft Oil Pump Timing Chain Parts Kit Without Gaskets Use Also:
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IX51
YEAR DESCRIPTION
1998-2005 POWERKIT 250 KW
99610101600
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99610421554
4
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90037813100
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99917020791
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99610612553
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Is your wife wondering why there are so many purchases from Amazon for your books on all of her credit cards?
But seriosuly...selling
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copy of something you wrote is an accomplishment and more success than a great many writers have...
