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YOUR RESEARCHIntermediate Shaft Failure
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in all 1 barely made it, literally falling apart, 3 had some sort of binding, 2 broke the bolt when the nut was removed, 4 needed new motors, 2 went to dealers and one of those was replaced by Porsche out of warranty.
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The dealer's supposed recommendation is very strange to me given my very limited understanding of what happens with an IMS failure but, as with most of us probably, I think any REAL information on this issue is greatly appreciated.
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I will tell you guys that I check these posts for anything suspicious in the account settings or IP address.
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If true, check for vital signs, disconnect from life support , call the D.O.T and forget about harvesting patient's heart.....cause the ****** don't got one.
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If true, check for vital signs, disconnect from life support , call the D.O.T and forget about harvesting patient's heart.....cause the ****** don't got one.
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This is complete BS, there is no way a Porsche dealer recommended rebuilding and boring out the engine to 3.8 liters as the only option other than replacing the engine.
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in all 1 barely made it, literally falling apart, 3 had some sort of binding, 2 broke the bolt when the nut was removed, 4 needed new motors, 2 went to dealers and one of those was replaced by Porsche out of warranty.
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This is complete BS, there is no way a Porsche dealer recommended rebuilding and boring out the engine to 3.8 liters as the only option other than replacing the engine.
Replace motor...the "gal" did some searching and found lne's site
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I have seen one car come into the shop where the dealer wanted to change the motor...the "GAL" did some searching and found LNE's site, then found my indy as a local installer and had her car towed over with the transmission removed and a block of wood holding the motor in place....my indy was able to save the car and although it wasnt cheap and the motor is being very carefully monitored for collateral damage and longevity...so far so good.....
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The dealer's supposed recommendation is very strange to me given my very limited understanding of what happens with an IMS failure but, as with most of us probably, I think any REAL information on this issue is greatly appreciated.
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I "upgraded" the IMS bearing...it didn't help my situation.
My 2004 C4S with 27,000 miles on it just experienced a intermediate shaft failure. Dealers suggestion is to bore the cylinders out to a 3.8 and rebuild from there. the only other option is a new engine. so far Porsche has declined to help. Have others experienced this problem?
I'll just grab some popcorn
and a drink
and watch the newbie that failed to read any stickies or use the search function get taken out back behind the woodshed..........
welcome tmrowland51, care to post some pics of your beauty? Here's mine. I "upgraded" the IMS bearing...it didn't help my situation.
tm, where are you located? do you have a good Pcar indi in your area? Are you sure on the engine rebuild or getting another engine are your only options? some IMS issues have resulted in only the IMS bearing and a few other components getting replaced, at a fraction of getting a "new" engine;
even though the thought of a 3.8 sounds nice....
There are other venders other than a Porsche dealer that may be able to help you as well. Dealers used to lump all IMSB failures along with RMS failures together when in fact a less expensive and viable fix was available. Search is your friend. Hope you can recover from your Porsche's ailment. GL
If its not "bad enough" yet, we miggt be able to save it with some specialized intervention and some good luck. Start praying this evening and call us in the morning.
The dealer said to "bore it out"??? Thats a new one, but I suppose our practices are being recognized more and more these days..
It also might not be the IMS bearing. Today every one of the 24 modes of failure (yep, 24 now, added another new one last week!) now gets blamed on the IMS bearing. Stop in your tracks, don't let anyone take the car apart and explore all your options.
Also don't let anyone (yourself included) try to start it or turn it over. Better to tear it down and see exactly what the damage is....
Awfully weird to hear a dealer suggest boring it out to a 3.8. I like the way he's thinking, but he'd be the last person I'd have doing that type of work not to mention the least experienced and most expensive....
Here we go again back to the Twilight Zone.
What exactly was this "dealer" dealing, you didn't say. Did this "dealer" also recommend 21" spinners as the only replacement option for your stock wheels.
This is complete BS, there is no way a Porsche dealer recommended rebuilding and boring out the engine to 3.8 liters as the only option other than replacing the engine.
BTW, no I have never heard of a 996 failure. To my knowledge your car may be the first.
Don't believe it, I'm very skeptical about users with one post writing in about IMS failure. I've read 3 or 4 of these this year, it's starts a big long dicussion. Could this be staged?
I can't believe that any dealer would mention boring the engine out.. When this happens ALL they want to do is send you on your way with a factory crate engine
strange dealer recommendation IMO... I dont even know how they could know that is what it needs.
I have seen one car come into the shop where the dealer wanted to change the motor...the "GAL" did some searching and found LNE's site, then found my indy as a local installer and had her car towed over with the transmission removed and a block of wood holding the motor in place....my indy was able to save the car and although it wasnt cheap and the motor is being very carefully monitored for collateral damage and longevity...so far so good.....
you might consider taking your car somewhere other than the dealer....esp with the recommended repair they gave you....
unless they give you a 3.8 !!
best of luck, hope you post your results and come back here for more than just a single post!!!!!
I read the FAQ's, and not to keep this thread alive but did Porsche update the IMS bearing? My mechanic said I didn't need the LN engineering update. (motor was replaced by a previous owner)
There are at least a dozen phantom members that post IMS failure, and then are never heard from again. I mean a year later they're still at one or 2 posts.... It's sad really - but I guess an attempt by those selling the 'solution' for guerrilla marketing...
I will tell you guys that I check these posts for anything suspicious in the account settings or IP address.
That does not quantify if they are real or not, Just a data point for you.
I'm less skeptical. I think most people come to the forum looking for answers to an acute problem -- IMS being one of the more profound and costly. Most people just want to drive their cars and not get into the social media thing. That's cool. But the "one-timers" may make it feel like the % of people with IMS issues is greater than it likely is.
Sorry to read the news.
About that Porsche help ....The car is after all out of warranty and warranty ends on time too. However, the car does have way less than 50K miles on it.
So.. long shot, but if you have followed the recommended service intervals/schedules and have not modified the car and so on calmly go back to the dealer and stress that even though the car is out of warranty on time that it does not seem reasonable for an engine to suffer such a catastrophic failure of so basic an engine component at such low miles. Ask the dealer does it seem fair that a car with such low miles, maintained according to Porsche guidelines should suffer such a fate and yet Porsche can't see its way to offer some goodwill.
Ask that the dealer help you in obtaining some goodwill from Porsche, at least presenting your case, representing you.
Now the dealer might tell you to buzz off. There is no guarantee the dealer (let alone) Porsche will help any. As I mentioned above the car is out of warranty. End of story.
But in some cases (not many) Porsche has offered up some goodwill.
But not without some conditions. One being that the dealer/service manager might come back to and ask for permission to perform an engine tear down and on your nickel though in this case we might be talking about alot and I mean a lot of nickels. You might be asked to authorize a teardown to the tune of $2K or more. And there will be no guarantee that any goodwill will be forthcoming.
Even if there is any goodwill offered (and don't get your hopes up) you may still have to fork over say half the cost of the replacement engine.
As for the dealer's suggestion to bore the cylinders out to 3.8l capacity that's quite out of character of the various dealer responses I'm aware of, to the point the offer sounds/reads fishy to me.
If the dealer and Porsche simply refuse to offer any goodwill -- and that is likely what they will do -- then you are faced with briefly:
1) Sell the car as is for its salvage value. The car is a non-runner so its value will be quite low, though I do not know what the essentially salvage of the car is at this point.
2) Have a factory sourced (new/remanufactured) engine installed. This is quite costly. For example, I got quotes on a new 2.7l engine for my 02 Boxster (engine's just fine I was just wondering...) and the new engine cost with no exchange is $27.7K; with exchange the cost is $16.6K and neither price includes labor. Your car's engine may be even more expensive.
3) Find an engine from a salvaged car same year/model as your's (ideally). This is less expensive on the surface but there are 'hidden' risks associated with this. For instance the replacement engine may be on the verge of suffering the same fate as the original engine or the replacement engine may have something else wrong with it.
Don't rush into any decision now. Take your time and do your homework and explore all options.
Best of luck.
Sincerely,
Macster.
I don't think it is unusual to have a guy (or gal) who has never visited an internet car forum and ask a question regarding their new and expensive problem. Many owners are happily motoring along and have no knowledge that Rennlist or the other sites even exist. Then, one day, the car goes "blam" or whatever and won't drive the way they expect it to.
They then go to the only place their familiar with - The Dealer - and get the bad news. With huge dollar sings hanging over their head they sit down and do an internet search and log onto Rennlist with their questions. After some initial answers confirming the bad news, they no longer feel the need to post any further. As mentioned above, they don't want to be part of the community here they just want to know which way to turn.
For some people these cars are just a means to get from point A to point B.
I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who isn't necessarily an enthusiast to reach out to the Internet for advice when something goes miserably wrong so the idea that it's a first post isn't a big deal. The only thing that's odd to me is that the post was at 12:13pm yesterday and the poster's last activity (as per their profile) was 12:13pm which means that they haven't even returned to view (at least while logged in) or provide an update.
While I hope it isn't true for a number of reasons, giving the poster the benefit of the doubt I'd love to hear the real deal -- what happened when it failed, what did the dealer find, etc? The dealer's supposed recommendation is very strange to me given my very limited understanding of what happens with an IMS failure but, as with most of us probably, I think any REAL information on this issue is greatly appreciated. It's just unfortunate that there's so much misinformation and skepticism on IMS issues on the web. What's the value in perpetuating the fear?
-Eric
I agree with the possibility that it could be Guerilla Marketing. I'm a New Yorker, it's all my fathers fault, I don't believe anything unless I see it.
This is a joke right? Either that or you are truly the bolt out of the blue , the newbiest of newbies!! Although, I am now thinking of moving up my bearing replacement appointment.
Hammer on the nail here for this thread... think I've had enough (unless of course it is real).
This would be the first I've ever heard of a dealer advocate an aftermarket re-boring solution. Which would be awesome for LNE and F6I... but seriously... they pretty much always say "reman or new"... unless they were telling the owner to find their own solution so to speak.
well its stupid to think someone is so stupid they would come here and fish for more IMS customers...esp since we have all had enough of it.....
so either this is fake or the OP is a one hit wonder, never to return... I would like to say lets stop posting on this and let it get burried...enough of these around here, no need to keep it alive----- I'm out
. What's the value in perpetuating the fear?
-Eric[/QUOTE]
Due to faulty wiring, schadenfreude is the only thing they got in their sad little lives.
For some people these cars are just a means to get from point A to point B.[/QUOTE]
If true, check for vital signs, disconnect from life support , call the D.O.T and forget about harvesting patient's heart.....cause the ****** don't got one.
The ims is a real issue period. I think most are people trying to wrap their head around what just happened and seeing if anyone else has luck with help from porsche. I feel after it sinks in, they simply go away from the board because they are just drivers and not porsche or car people. This thread is very odd with the dealer suggestion... If you look around there are A LOT of one time posts for MANY issues. Its just ims is getting to common there are a lot of them. We got our first in the shop a few weeks ago, a boxter. So there... There is a real one to replace this fake one for you.
we estimate over 100 replacements at my indy...
in all 1 barely made it, literally falling apart, 3 had some sort of binding, 2 broke the bolt when the nut was removed, 4 needed new motors, 2 went to dealers and one of those was replaced by Porsche out of warranty.
the rest have all been "good bearings" with an unknown amount of live left in them and the stupid little bolt that has a built in shear point....
just sayin
I think we should refuse to respond to any posts like this unless the new member can show a picture of themselves in front of their Porsche, holding today's New York Times and their user name spray painted on the hood of their car.
