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YOUR RESEARCH997 shifter vs B&M (That is in car)
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FWIW, I installed the 997-GT3 shifter in my '04 C4S.
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I installed the 997SSK two weeks ago and love it!!
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IIRC mine was 997 shifter and I was shocked how much better it was then the 996 - (which before I changed, I thought was perfect)
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Hey Marc - You can check my 997 shifter out anytime!
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My b&m is in a 997 box, but since you replace the innards it makes no difference.
We had a local swap meet today (No H4's Ed, I looked) and I picked up a brand new 997GT3 shifter that was priced right, from the part number it does seem to be the 7GT3 unit but also seems to be the same as a regular 997. Not the factory SSK.
Is it worth dropping in? I know the shifts wont be as short but probably smother than the B&M, anyone had both?
I do like the B&M, I know some do not. My car is 98% street driven.
Thanks
Since you guys love pics, crappy cell phone pic included
I've been considering a 997 shifter. The throw is about 15% shorter that the stock 996 unit and supposed to be noticeably smoother. The 997GT3 shifter is identical to the 997 model with billet aluminum instead of plastic bushings. Suncoast has them for $194-997 or $350-997GT3. I can't decide if it's worth the extra $156 dollars for the GT3 version! Here's the link:
997shifter
PS- If you decide not to keep it I'd be interested in taking it off your hands.
first thing I noticed about my 997 was how shorter the throw is from my 996
it has me no longer even considering a kit - one of the things that stands out (well, that and the 3.8L)
Marc the 997s and 997.1GT3 had the same shifter. A big improvement over the 996 and the B&M, and great for street and track use.
The 997.2 GT3 has the newer shifter which feels almost the same like the previous 997 one but is a bit better made and more robust with a few more metal parts.
Do the change and you won't regret it.
I also have the regular 997 shifter which is better than the 996 stock. I had the factory short shift but took it out because it was too notchy, especially when cold.
"Ed-ism" is very contagious... at least this part will fit.
I must confess, I did buy a gt3 shifter from mooty.... also at a great price. Im in similar shoes, is it worth installing?.... Im happy with what I got (B&M). The plan is to get another pcar and try to fit the gt3 shifter in there..... getting the car is the brick wall though.
Andyk has one I think, maybe I can hit. Him up for a run through the gears.
There was also a 6gt3 steering week there, the thicker one. I really regret not buying it. Damn.
I want you and Ferd to think about something... check the dates on this thread....
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-question.html
that's right.....see page 3.... uh huh
get that sucker in already !!
When I first built my Spec996, I put in the B&M. I hated it. Notchy and the geometry sometimes caused the cable connectors to hang up on the shifter cage. I took it out, and put in a 997 shifter cage. I like it much better.
awe
what was the question again
Marc I have not had coffee yet, its coming but DAMN this is killing me - OK so 997 OEM regular non SSK vs 997 box with B&M SSK
I would keep the B&M - the 996 box IMO is the issue and for what ever reason the 997 box just is smoother..
SO Mike ^^^ was your B&M in a 996 box?
Yes it was in a 996 box. FWIW, my 997S had a Porsche SSK in it, and I absolutely loved it. But the B&M in the 996 box was awful. Honestly the stock 997 box & shifter is great for racing. Smooth and quick. Paired with a LWFW it really rocks on downshifts.
see - like I thought...his was in a 996 box - that thing is crap - if yours is in a 997 box you might just leave well enough alone - i thought you had a B&m in a 996 box...
well "thought" is such a strong word........
have you thought about posting on the 997 forum and see if they like the B&M "upgrade" - I read some suff over there and all I can say is "that's a differant crowd"
But..but... I thought th B&M replaces juat about all te innards of the 996 box making it the same if the B&M is in the 996 or 997 box?
I dunno about posting on the 997 board, they are an angry bunch
FWIW, I installed the 997-GT3 shifter in my '04 C4S. Love it. A bit shorter throw than stock 996, very smooth and firm, never notchy/subborn even in coldest (below freezing) temps.
From my own experience and various comments on this and other boards; the 997-GT3 drop-in is the best shift upgrade for the 996 for daily driver use.
Here's a thread on the topic of the various shifter upgrades:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...y-996-c4s.html
Howard
LOL @ 997 board....
I was reading those.... had my B&M installed today ($400 at dealer)and Tim over there handing out the instructions to DIY and no one even acknowledging it could be done at home...its a differant mind set for sure
the last thread with title B$M was over 2 years ago and there was a few that compared the 997 SSK to a B&M - the jury seemed to be mixed - so IMO the 997 standard would be a step back....in your case since you have the box
replacing innards I get but are there any parts that stay? My thought if not is maybe the mold was re-worked to get better alignment of the circles (where the bushings fit into)
So, what do I do?
Seriously, I love how smooth my 996 shifts, and on the odd time my wife drives it, she 'accepts' it. I'd love to have a shorter throw etc. but to keep the peace, I'm reluctant to sacrifice the smoothness.
buy Marcs "new" 997 shift assy - 2 problems solved in one move
I am invincible! - OH had enough ehhh?
seriously - you wont believe how much better the 997 is over your 996 shifter that is "perfect"
I hate logical arguments.....of course that's the answer that satisfies all conditions. Problem is, I'm 'thrifty'.......
And as a human - "water finds it's easiest path downhill - people are 60% water"....this is exactly what I have been doing!
Ed, I'm not ignoring you.....I just can't compete so I'm staying out of it!
Thanks guys. BTW, the answer appears the 997 box is the way to go from what I'm reading
LOL @ ignore......
here is a little game I like to play....every time you shift, remember we all think its not smooth at all and for ~$100 it could be AMAZING
LMAO!
this will drive you nuts waterboy!
BTW I have Marc's contact info!
(j/k)
Yeah yeah yeah.....I seem to remember a time when ah, never mind.....but I HAVE owned a 'real' 911 - 82 SC Targa, guards red with tan interior.....what a GREAT car and when shopping for this one there was an internal struggle for sure - classic or updated. They're vastly different cars in my opinion but what strikes me with the 996 is how FAST you're going before you realize you're going fast!
Dammit, now to search
for 997 shifters....
OK.... so I think I will install it.... but its to efin cold in the garage. I think the prob with the B&M is the throw, it may be to short to be smooth. Going from 2-3 takes precision, which I lack at times.
Also agree about the 997 boards.... what is up with those guys.
it's all good
I have to admit certain things about the 996 are very appealing - I think owning several cars helps your overall Porsche experience. I am loving the 3.2 for now but always thinking...I have said many times "So many Porsche's, so little money"
Hope I didnt bust you too hard, just having fun. I like the 996 board because most people are very easy going and its fun!
(PS - Marc has too many shifters
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Mark,
I've had various SCUs - 996, 6GT3, BM, and 997.1 GT3 SCU. On the track, only the GT3 units worked well. The BM was not "perfect" between horizontal gates, especially 3-2 and 5-4. But vertical was no issue. I had no issue with the 6GT3 unit until one of the shifter linkages broke. I replaced it with the 7GT3 and all is right with the world.
For street, the only one I didn't like was stock, as it was a bit long.
doh! Track season already opened for us! We were just out this weekend! mid 60s. I mean, not to rub it in or anything. (well maybe a little).
-td
I had the B&M shifter I replaced it with the 997 shifter. The BM was too harsh for me. If anyone is interested I have the B&M in the old 996 carrier and would sell it. PM if you are interested.
You got that right!
If the shifter you bought is on the tower (black base) then just remove the B&M and the tower and install the 997 shifter. Don't re-install the center console and take it for a test drive. If you like it, replace the console. If not, re-install the B&M shifter.
What was the verdict on the shifters? Better than the B&M? Just got back into the fray had some personal issues to deal with but going to change from stock 01 c2 996. Thanks
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