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Is this a fair race? 996 C2 vs 993 Turbo

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I wonder what tires both of them were running since they both seemed to be going easy.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEArBSaLfc4 BTW one of the drivers crashes in the end

POST 2Original post

no... if the driver have any clue, the 993tt will destroy the 6c2. If it were a 335d, that would be another story.

POST 4Original post

Wet track really hurt in the end crash yuck. I kind of think the turbo was wanting to play with the guy seeing him not taking what I'd think is a faster line. Pretty sad the ending. I wonder what tires both of them were running since they both seemed to be going easy. I'm a believer of higher revs in turn to turn it into a dead skid to power out with all I can muster if need be when pushing it.

POST 5Original post

That was some of the worst driving by both parties I've ever seen. The 993 guy couldn't pick worse lines if he tried, and the 996 guy, well, WTF was that at the end.

POST 6Original post

seems to be like the guy hit the perhaps 5th to 2nd, locked up the rear tires, and around he went.

POST 7Original post

Sad turn of events. It didn't look like a race, more of a DE. If it was DE and not a race, then those two drivers were nuts for dicing at the corners like they were doing. As far as the lines go, I believe they were taking the "dry line in the wet", not what would be the usual fast line in the dry. The turbo was, anyway, since he could power out on the straight. The C2 was taking the apeces (apexes?) more, but was getting into the wet more.

POST 8Original post

That was fun to watch...Seemed good driving on both parts c2 had the braking and the turbo the power. Wished he had pictures of his car afterward.

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Quotes source post: 7359195

That's the Hockenheim ring, they have a short and long track, south of Frankfurt close to Mannheim/Heidelberg. I've watched several races there but never saw anyone slide into the stadum turn before, ha. So what happened to the 996, hope it didn't roll, but the camera fell off its mount. Note to self: don't try and make up 100 meter gap with late braking, ha.

POST 12Original post

Ouch, did look a little like an accident waiting to happen. I agree with Pac996, the turbo was playing with him, and if Palting's right and this was a DE or open track day (which it does look like) that dive up the inside at around 4min was just crazy. I think the red mist was coming down. Robert

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I disagree. I think the 993 driver was just that bad. He missed every apex (often by yards), began braking too early and too softly so he often went way too deep. It was obvious (even though I've never driven this track) that his line was consistently wrong. The 996 driver had more skill (relative to the 993 driver), but was very poor in his passing technique. I think others hit the nail on the head. Way too much red mist trying to dive bomb a pass with the offline wet. Ouch, that hurt to watch......

POST 14Original post

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agreed. I've never seen a guy miss apexes that badly.

POST 15Original post

The wet track is the wild card in this equation. The Turbo should have been able to lap the 996. Hard to tell if it was lack of skill or cautious driving on the Turbo.

POST 16Original post

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The racing line was mostly dry. Even if the Turbo driver were skilled but cautious I can't see any good reason to blow so many of the apexes in the manner he did. Plus with far more HP and AWD, (as you pointed out) he should have had no trouble gaping what sounded like a fairly stock 996 (other than on the straights).

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