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A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot

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YOUR RESEARCHA CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot

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model of plugs or possibly type of crush ring

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Probably the model of plugs or possibly type of crush ring.

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot
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Replace ...bet they're

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I better look at my records for a plug change...bet they're from '99.

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Replace ...bet they're

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I better look at my records for a plug change...bet they're from '99.

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot

Replace due

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I know my bikes oil filter part number always changes due to super techs changing materials.

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot

Replace materials

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I know my bikes oil filter part number always changes due to super techs changing materials.

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Replace plugs and going

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Suggestion · Original poster

I took my car to a local indy (Motorwerks - great guys) and they said it would make the most sense to start by changing the plugs and going from there.

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot
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Replace ...bet they're

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I better look at my records for a plug change...bet they're from '99.

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot

Replace due

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Suggestion

I know my bikes oil filter part number always changes due to super techs changing materials.

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Replace materials

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I know my bikes oil filter part number always changes due to super techs changing materials.

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot

Replace plugs and going

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Suggestion · Original poster

I took my car to a local indy (Motorwerks - great guys) and they said it would make the most sense to start by changing the plugs and going from there.

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot

Replace plugs every 60k or 4 years

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Suggestion · Original poster

Please let this serve as a public service announcement -- evidently Porsche recommends changing the plugs every 60K or 4 years...

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Run about the same - at least

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Suggestion · Original poster

The car was running about the same - at least to me.

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Set has some german markings

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maybe the very first set has some German markings...

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Use gopro hd hero

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Suggestion · Original poster

Im using the GoPro HD Hero...

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot
Reported and suspected causes (1)

These are separate views of the same evidence. Frequency alone does not establish a fix, and these counts must not be added together.

model of plugs or possibly type of crush ring

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Probably the model of plugs or possibly type of crush ring.

A CEL, new spark plugs, and the idiot
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|| Not so awesome - the CEL came back.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

About a week after an amazing trackday at Harris Hill [see below]... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MowJYSsaWFI ...the car threw a CEL. The car was running about the same - at least to me. Two days later, the CEL went out. Awesome. || Not so awesome - the CEL came back. I took my car to a local indy (Motorwerks - great guys) and they said it would make the most sense to start by changing the plugs and going from there. When I went to pick up the car I was told it still had its original plugs (the car is 50K miles, and 8 years old) and two coil packs were cracked. (!!) Now the car runs unbelievably SMOOTH! You mean that rough, mean-**** idle it had had since I've owned it isn't "normal"?!?! You mean those snaps and crackles from the exhaust isn't just the old-school raspy flat-6?!?! I'm the idiot . The engine now runs new car smooth. I should have done this 2 years ago. Please let this serve as a public service announcement -- evidently Porsche recommends changing the plugs every 60K or 4 years... I am floored at what an improvement this made.

POST 2Original post

hmmmmm good to hear Nice vid, I watched it 3 times

POST 3 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Quotes source post: 7290471

Thanks!! Unfortunately I had the open back case on the camera so there was a lot of wind noise... Having videos of the DEs is terrific, but makes me much less productive the following week About the plugs - Im still laughing at myself. What a "car guy" I am... Just a few days prior I was sitting at a stoplight watch my car shake thinking how rough the idle was... Well, not anymore. I should have read through the old maintance records more thoroughly I suppose.

POST 4Original post

Is that a special lens? Its a cool perspective - the sound is good at low speed and just fades out at higher speed which is better than overkill I don't what ypu mean about beeing un-productive though

POST 6Original post

what proof that they were 8 years old and had 50k on them?

POST 7Original post

Probably the model of plugs or possibly type of crush ring. I know my bikes oil filter part number always changes due to super techs changing materials. So did the mech give a way of spotting the german plugs from the factory? Copper crush ring or old model of plug?

POST 8Original post

Malakas, good for you! Since your engine is running in top form, now you should be able to feel the additional 15 HP you got after you installed the aluminum gauge rings I sent you!

POST 9 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Quotes source post: 7290700

No... Im using the GoPro HD Hero... the above video was recorded in 720p at 60fps - which I think is a 140 wide angle - then I "downgraded" it to 480p to import into Youtube. If you watch the video in Youtube the quality is a little better. Its a sweet camera! Pac996: thats a great question... not sure how he knew the plugs had not been changed. Also unsure how the coil packs were cracked... maybe the very first set has some German markings... interesting. Tim: those rings are worth at least 20 bhp... !!

POST 10Original post

nice vid.... glad you found the problem, did the tech even plug in a odb scanner?

POST 11Original post

Thanks for your track vid, nice.Glad to hear we can 'improve' our 911s without spending lots of $. I better look at my records for a plug change...bet they're from '99.

POST 12Original post

Quotes source post: 7291414

Tech at the track? Do they do that to *every* car? I've never had a tech plug in to the OBD port.

POST 13 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Quotes source post: 7291414

oh yeah. He said there were misfire codes - but didn't say which one(s). Then when he was in there he found the 2 cracked coil packs. ( all done about a week after the track ). Although, I wish I would have done this before the DE - I was pushing it pretty hard. It would have been nice to have optimally firing plugs! Lol When I picked up the car we plugged a laptop into the obd port and went for a drive - no codes!

POST 14Original post

I think coil packs take damage from being exposed to high engine and exhaust heat.

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