PSS10's for C2, $1,899 new!!

There is a set of brand new Bilstein PSS10's for a C2 on eBay for $1,899 shipped, Buy It Now. About the best price I have seen. This is where I got the PSS10's for my C4 last year for the same price. Here is the link: http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=por....c0.m270.l1313

Thats a great price...

isn't that a PSS9 part #?

It is the old PSS9 part number. It does not show up on Bilstein's site, but if you check some of the others it does. On Allshocks.com it shows as a 99-03 C2, PSS9/Pss10. When I bought mine last year the eBay listing showed a set of PSS9's for $1,899 shipped and I bought them. When they arrived they were PSS10's. I posted a thread telling the story and got ripped by several parties that I was taking advantage of the seller and should return them. When I talked to the seller he said if I wanted to return them I would have to pay the return shipping, he did not care whether they were PSS9's or PSS10's. To the best of my knowledge the PSS9's have not been made in a coupe of years now. I think there have been a few sets still floating around in stock. You could always call them to confirm what they are. However, last year when I called them before the sale, they would not match the eBay price, they wanted $400+ on the phone then on eBay. When I pointed this out they said buy them on eBay if you want the lower price.

Darn it! I just had my RoWs installed last year... tempting

I take it that adjustments are made directly at the shock, not remote? Edit: Nevermind, found more info here ..

Argh! just ordered one last week elsewhere. FM

The adjustment for the shocks are done at the bottom of the front shocks and the top of the rear shocks. so to adjust the rears you have to remove some trim pieces.

Dharn55, what are your impressions of your PSS10's; what settings do you use for front and rear and is it a vast improvement from stock or best for the track only?

Better alternative here.... Better than the PSS10 https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...or-996-c2.html

that is a great deal for a set of KW 3's. As for the PSS10's, I don't track my car, street use only. I have them set at about 6. The ride and handling is much better than stock, but I should say that at least one of my stock shocks had leaked before I installed the PSS10's. The lowering of the car, about 1.25" also made a big difference in cornering. I would think there would be buyers out there for both of these sets of coilovers.

start buying parts before I buy the car!

looks like prices went back up to $2399 shipped. Hope someone got in on the deal..

Can someone explain to me the difference between US M030 and the PSS10's? Yes I am a bit ignorant. For example what setting on the PSS10's would be the closest equivalent of the US M030? Thanks

OKay, let me take a crack at this one at the risk of an internet smackdown, ...I am by no means as knowledgable as many in here and I will try this in non technical, layman terms.........and just for the record, I have the touring suspension (M030) and am considering PSS10's. Hapich: your touring suspension is the softest most compliant suspension offered on our cars from the factory. Should you decide to change the shocks and springs (and this should pretty much be done as a set, as the shocks and springs are calibrated to work together, should you install a spring that is too agressive, for example, the shock's valving may need to be redone). The Bilsteins PSS10's (have 10 adjustments, PSS 9's 9 adjustments) offer a host of adjustablity. I would think that the softest setting might closely approximate the M030 set-up. Someone in here with more knowledge can give you spring load/pound numbers for M030 v. PSS10. Suffice it to say, as you dial up the adjustment of dampening and rebound on the PSS10's the car will corner flatter ("crisper?") for everyday driving. However, if you track your car, then the PSS10's will offer you the ability to adjust and stiffen the suspension. This will affect the weight transfer of the car as seen/felt in the roll (yaw?). This change will allow provide more grip from your tires as they will "set" quicker, along with ability to get on the power sooner, as less time will be spent waiting for the car to settle before applying throttle to exit a turn. Hope this helps and I am open to critique for the learned ones. r\ Scott

Scott... You have been doing your home work...

As a note the PSS9/10's are not two way adjustable. The adjustment is only on the rebound (I believe, I know it is only one way). On some of the more expensive coilovers the adjustment is two way, compression and rebound.

@Country911. The M030, US or ROW, is not the stock touring suspension for these cars? Is it? I am missing something?

Correct the M030 (either US or RoW) is the upgrade for USA... As I understand it the M030 is standard RoW.... Just us lovely lazy assed americans need a softer, higher riding setup.... So, we don't spill our Java!

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Yes. Sports suspension upgrade. I am not sure what Country911 is talking about. I have not driven a RoW M030 equipped 996 but I have to say my US M030 is probably as tight as I would like for street driving. It's borderline harsh. I don't track however. Maybe one day.... Funny, I spilled my coffee the other day. While it was in the cup holder it spouted right out the sippy hole about 3 feet across the passenger seat.

The difference between USA M030 and ROW M030 is ride height, not firmness.

Higher ride is probably a good thing since my tax dollars are not doing sh$t about most of the roads around here!!

As I said there are much more learned than I, in here. No harm intended, no foul......and thankx for the clarification. Hapich, I hope that all have answered your question.

I keep the front (993) PS10s at setting #5 and the rears at #1 setting as the rears were at #5 setting and bone jarring ! Also, the supplied box stated PS9s.

If you want to track the car and drive on the the street how easy is it to change settings?

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Actually the lower ride height is not the only difference... The lower springs have a slightly higher spring rate which produces a firmer ride. PCA used to have a great article where the spring rates had been compared between the standard US, US M030 & RoW M030, but sense the new website came on line I have not been able too find it.

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Here ya go http://web.archive.org/web/200307071...article_3.html

Thanks... quote from article: "Conclusions Table 11 is a summary of our findings in comparing the 996 C2 6-speed coupe USA standard suspension to the USA (gray shaded area) and RoW (green shaded area) sport (M030) suspensions. In the subject car, the RoW sport suspension resulted in about 1cm lower ride height compared to USA cars. The stiffer sport stabilizer bars and springs provide for greater stiffness in the rear than in the front relative to the USA standard suspension and therefore bias vehicle dynamics away from understeer and more toward oversteer. The RoW M030 suspension "feels" stiffer than the USA sport because of earlier deployment of the front and rear bumpstops related to lower ride height as well as stiffer shock absorbers. We believe that the conversion to RoW sport suspension is a worthwhile though expensive upgrade if you want sportier handling than the available USA suspensions provide, don't mind a stiffer ride and can tolerate more scraping of the undercarriage associated with the lower ride height. We also do not recommend "mixing and matching" the various springs, shocks and bumpstops evaluated for this article since all of these parts have different design characteristics that work in concert together. "

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No worries bro. On the 996 curve I am getting a C-, I suppose. I feel like a dumbass most of the time when I read the technical stuff on this site! I know just enough to get me in trouble! LOL.

I just really enjoy driving around in my 996 and learning about the idiosyncrasies on this site. It's a blast. From what I have seen this is bar none the best site for Porsche owners. Everybody is very helpful and very enthusiastic. Oh... and very opinionated!! Which I love.

Hey, you never really stop learning. The info and opinions are all worth it in my book. The fantastic gang in here has provided some incredibly useful information for me and this helps with my research and is truly a big part of the fun of owning these cars.