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I think this car needed to run awhile to get its legs back.
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You will find mid-year 996’s on many dealer lots that you can test drive.
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I'm sure that you see this all the time, but I need help with my first Porsche. Looking to spend in the low 40's. 993 996....need a "backseat". any help will be appreciated, and I plan to keep the car a good while.
Thanks,
Drew
We get lots of questions - but yours is a little vague...
Have you owned Porsches before? Do plan on driving the car a lot? Year round? Do you know that one is air cooled and one is water cooled? Are you a collector looking for resale value? Do you plan on driving it on the track?
Tell us a little more about why you might want a 911 and I'm sure you'll get useful feedback!
Sorry about that...I didnt want to praddle on. Its for my wife, we have never owned a Porsche before. I am familiar with the model changes. We will drive it year around (Texas) and put maybe 5-6K per year on it. I have always bought LOW mile cars, they seem to be more inline with our tastes of keeping car for a long time (8-10yrs). I love the wide body cars, but the older 993's seem to be vary high compared to 996's. Love both, but love technology even better. Thanks for the help.
D
I would suggest posting cars you might be interested here and let us help you compare components and options.
I have an air cooled 964 and a water cooled 996. Look on the cars to sale here on rennlist and familiarize yourself with the differences. Take your time looking. . Careful of "garage queens" that never get driven as they my have seals, gasgets that dry out from lack of use.
The more high speed AM components, the better chance it's been on the track and the less the resale. For me, I'd want one as stock as possible.
On the other hand, these cars are made to be driven and hard driving isn't bad in itsself.
Just ask questions. the dumber the better, that way I might be able to answer them
I owned a 993 for 2 years and loved it, broke my heart when it drove away. But I just purchased a 2001 996 with very low miles and am very happy with the "upgrades". Based on your "cultural" criteria you will like the 996 much better. For your budget you will find a nice 2002+ 996. For that budget you will also get the options that will make this a nice ride for you and your wife. The 996 is the best bang for the buck, don't let the lower price fool you, its very artificial. I would also expect you and your wife to like the 2002 plus cars over the earlier 996’s. Also, if cabin and wind noise are a concern then stay away from cabs and targas. You will find mid-year 996’s on many dealer lots that you can test drive.
Congrats on the car miller, looks like a beauty. Any clues to what part of the country offer the best cars/prices. I am thinking LA and other high saturation markets....?
If it's a weekend car, and you want to experience the old school quirkyness of a classic Porsche...get the 993. A 996 is a better value, they are consistantly less expensive than comparable 993.
Although I'll probably not get a sales commission
, I think that Tim's car would be perfect for you.
http://mall.rennlist.com/scripts/fea...uery=retrieval
- It's in your price range (low 40s)
- It's a very late model 996 (any 993 is an oldtimer compared to his car)
- It has slightly higher mileage for the MY than the average but if you plan to drive it only 5-6k / year this works out well in the long run and
- It's an enthusiast's car; well maintained and loved
I ruled out the coasts because of the long distance so perhaps your assumption is correct but it’s more about the history of the car that I am concerned about.
I sold my 993 to a Rennlister and it was a great experience. That same 993 I bought two years ago from a dealer that took the car in on a trade and thought enough of the car and the owner to fix it up and sell it on its own lot. My recent 996 purchase was a similar situation. In both cases it would have been easy for the dealer to put the car up for auction. Both of my 911's were one-owner vehicles; the 993 had over 150,000 miles on it the second one a little over 10,000 with all records. Both of those situations are different but yet similar…the Owner’s obviously cared about their car in different ways.
Some people just don't want to take the time (nor need the money) to sell their car so they trade it in, if its a decent ride a reputable dealer will put it on their lot and sell it. It's not too often that this happens, so when it does I tend to look favorably on that scenario.
Then there are the guys who want to sell their car to someone who cares about it; they want their car to go to a good home. They sell it because they want to try something else, not because there is something wrong with it. Those are the kinds of sellers you will fine here on Rennlist…that's the kind of seller I was when I sold my 993. This winter I did not advertise it anywhere else but here.
I would suggest staying away from California cars. I bought an '02 C4S in 2006 out of Chicago - I live in the SF Bay Area. While I was shopping around I found that in general California cars were higher mileage and the owers wanted more $$.
In California, we can drive our cars year 'round and many people (myself included) use them as daily dirvers; that explains the higher mileage. As to the higher cost? Everything in California is more expensive.
Wow, thanks for all the great info! I was thinking along the lines of looking at "off brand" dealers. Audi, BMW and Merc all get Porsches in on trade.....I cant wait. There is a 99 for sale here in Dallas. Its white with a red interior....never heard of that color combo...I am looking at it tommorrow 11200 miles since new and they are asking 35900? sounds reasonable.
this one on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-...em190197402794
i think another rennlister mentioned this car last week, u may want to do a search and contact him
I would seriously recommend a private sale, especially if you can find a car owned by someone on a forum like this.
I bought mine on a bit of an impulse. I picked it up from a dealer, reasoning that a Porsche store isn't going to sell a car with a lot of problems, especially if they have the service history. They'd be more likely to ship it to auction or sell it off an affiliated no-name lot. I knew I would be paying a premium, but figured this was the best way to manage the risk and get my hands on a car quickly.
Well, I did pay a premium. But the car was far from problem-free. The list of little issues it had was as long as your arm (though few single items were horrible, save for the clutch and RMS). If I had it to do again, I would rather look the owner straight in the eye, especially if he had some personal reputation at stake such as a Rennlister would. Sadly, even with a Porsche, a dealer is still no guarantee that the car won't have any surprises.
I went to drive it today....very tight car. It sold to someone online while we were working out the details. I am thinking more of the rennlist idea. I am open to all options.....cash buyer. thanks again.
Drew
Drew,
There is some irony here. My '04 C2 (Lapis Blue over Graphite Gray with Metropol Blue deviating carpet) has been for sale until yesterday. I am relocating to Dallas on about 10 days. If you want to wait 3 months, you can buy mine before I return it to the leasing company. PM me if you have any interest.
I took that car home last week - it is what it is...not a $36k car though. I too was torn over the color combo. Did you figure what the thing was behind the shifter - or what the wiring was coming out of dash (not for radar)? Take your time, the Dallas market with these cars is sssssslllllllllllllllooooooooooowwww...you'd be surprised what you can get if you take your time in searching. FWIW, I'm working on a deal now to buy an '03 with 43k miles for $36k Having to decide if Tiptronic is something I can live with. Good luck with your search. There's a Porsche auction in Dallas next Tues..so, you'll surely have more options then.
Make sure to drive several examples to get a decent baseline on what the cars feel like. Private sale can be quite rewarding and I bought mine privately with aftermarket warranty. I have yet to try that warranty out. You may also want to consider a dealership CPO car. In either case you will notice warranty is involved. These cars can be (shock) expensive with repairs so having someone else potentially picking up the lions share of cost is a plus in my book.
Also, make sure to drive the 2002+ cars as well as the 1999 variants. There are several improvements to the second gen cars that may appeal to you including a bump from 3.4 to 3.6 liters with more horsepower, stiffer chasis, better cooling, and different design elements.
The shifter was horrible, very gate like. Plus the performance was horrible. I think this car needed to run awhile to get its legs back. I was think around $30000 myself. tim, I was thinking something with "low" miles ie. under 12K.
Drew
Drew, I noticed engaging 1st gear was really "notchy" and didn't drive another 3.4 to compare performance-wise, but it did seem a bit puny! Where are you in D/FW? I'd be happy to put you in touch with one of the many I've looked at..go for a 2002 or newer if your budget allows - you'll be glad you did.
i'd like to know what you're getting for 40.
Here's a 04 CPO with 34K miles for 59.
http://roger-beasley.porschedealer.c...ntoryid=320592
She's a beauty. Gotta resist buying her right now. But according to you guys thats way too much.
I recommend buying from a rennlister. People here for the most part tend to take care of their cars. Sometimes you can even get a rolling history of the car by looking at threads from the current owner. I bought mine from a guy selling on a Porsche board and it was a great experience. Good luck.
