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YOUR RESEARCHother cheap way for a Ln IMS retrofit kit?
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This may have changed since I last spoke with Charles, but the issue is that the IMS retrofit kit that LN Engineering sells has not been time-tested in a lot of cars with a lot of miles on it (you need several years to do that).
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A bearing that has been fully engineered, tested, and used without incident in dozens of cars for 2+ years without a problem........
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If what I suspect about your posts is correct, I think you ought to put a tennis ball in there and call it a day.
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If were a single row bearing, I would made like "barracuda" of soloporsche spanish forum, who buy a SKF bearing, and insert a 12mm screw, but in the dual row bearing the big problem is the bearing clip.
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Last time I checked, LN Engineering still recommends replacing the bearing every 30-40K miles, even if it's the new, updated ceramic bearing.
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This may have changed since I last spoke with Charles, but the issue is that the IMS retrofit kit that LN Engineering sells has not been time-tested in a lot of cars with a lot of miles on it (you need several years to do that).
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If were a single row bearing, I would made like "barracuda" of soloporsche spanish forum, who buy a SKF bearing, and insert a 12mm screw, but in the dual row bearing the big problem is the bearing clip.
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Hello, I'll go to replace my IMS, but the problem I have is it mount a dual row bearing.
If were a single row bearing, I would made like "barracuda" of soloporsche spanish forum, who buy a SKF bearing, and insert a 12mm screw, but in the dual row bearing the big problem is the bearing clip.
In my situation there is only 2 ways, the Ln retrofit kit, or the insaro kit.
I want to ask you if someone has tried to mount a aftermarket bearing and a large screw. thanks.
Cheaper isn't necessarily better.
The stock IMS bearing isn't necessarily bad....so why replace it with something cheap?
I don't understand that logic personally, but to each their own
You'll get what you pay for. One issue with the bearing is the bearing, the other is the stud but the other is the flange... if you don't upgrade all of them, then you haven't really done anything.
Spend the money to do it right, else you could create a very expensive experiment for yourself.
I agree, considering what is at stake.... diff between the bearing kits are nill compared to the total costs of the job, labor... with clutch, flywheel, bearing.... etc.
You may save a few $$$ in the beginning but you'll probably pay for in the end. Research the LN product and I believe you will appreciate its value. This is coming from a guy who picked up a like new, dead-in-the-water 986. I sourced a sound replacement motor and the seller made sure it had the improved LN bearing upgrade.
It's a lot cheaper than replacing a motor and a pile easier. In my mind this is clearly an example of, "You get what you pay for".
This is the barracuda solution:
http://www.soloporsche.com/showthread.php?t=33716
He mount an hibrid ceramic bearing, that is 10 times harder than original. I think this is a good solution with a good relationship quality-price.
I researched this when I was replacing the IMS. I sourced a dual row ceramic bearing similar to the L&N (maybe same one), but both were slightly narrower than OEM. You would have to shim it if you used the original flange. L&N solves this by re-engineering the flange and improving in the process with a bigger shaft.
It is not worth risking a few hundred dollars with the down side being
100x
the savings.
Go with the L&N and sleep at night.
Your first post here is about retrofitting an IMS bearing and you discuss shafts, flanges, hybrid ceramics, etc. ? Hard to believe you just found Rennlist.
If by some chance I'm wrong and your question is legitimate...
Wayne at Pelican is developing a cheaper solution for you. Just wait a bit.
However, I went with the LNE bearing. A bearing that has been fully engineered, tested, and used without incident in dozens of cars for 2+ years without a problem........ for less than a set of Michelin rear tires ? That's a no brainer.
If you think $600 is too expensive for the LNE kit I think your priorities are out of order. I thought it was cheap (given the cost of many other parts for this car)...and I ain't rich, so every dollar counts on my budget.
Also, just from the tone of your posts I would venture that you'd be buying the LNE kit with Euros, which would make it an even better buy for you.
If what I suspect about your posts is correct, I think you ought to put a tennis ball in there and call it a day.
Of course, I'm able to discuss these thing like an mechanical expert I am
. And I found rennlist in a post of a spanish porsche forum (soloporsche) which I'm registered a lot of month ago you registered in porsche forum.
Always I have a mechanical problem, I investigate and study all the possible solutions. I'll go to make this work alone like the spanish user barracuda.
So, once I've find the solution of insert an aftermarket bearing is not possible, I would insert the Ln retrofit.
Yes, our kit is currently undergoing testing in our test car (1999 996) and is working flawlessly. We had to pull the engine out to do some tech articles for the next book (101 Projects for your Porsche 996), so we've had to stop testing it. I hope to have the engine back in before Halloween, and then back on the road. I hope to have the kit available and in the catalog by the end of the year, or the early part of 2011 at the latest.
Thanks! You can see the kit here:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...ft_Bearing.htm
-Wayne
Well, Pelican is saying that it should be every 30k-40k R&R as part of maintenance.... LN is not and should last the life of the car. 2 diff philosophy.
Well, sort of. Last time I checked, LN Engineering still recommends replacing the bearing every 30-40K miles, even if it's the new, updated ceramic bearing. This may have changed since I last spoke with Charles, but the issue is that the IMS retrofit kit that LN Engineering sells has not been time-tested in a lot of cars with a lot of miles on it (you need several years to do that). So, the results in real-world testing are not known at this time.
That said, the ceramic bearing *should* last a very long time - much longer than the original bearing. BUT - no one really understands 100% what the mechanism is behind these bearing failures, so at this point, it's still just a guess (a very educated guess).
With the Pelican kit, we've designed the kit to be an inexpensive 30K replacement part that you simply swap out during a clutch change. For those who want the more bulletproof solution, I suggest that you go with the LN Engineering kit. We're not planning on offering the special ceramic bearing with our kit right now.
Hope this info is useful!
-Wayne
Hello heiwaz.
Welcome to rennlist board.
I've seen that you're lurking what to do (here and in soloporsche).
IMHO I think this is a very important operation and the target is to prevent an engine failure. I wouldn't look for a cheap solution. The meaning of cheap is not always in the same line as effectiveness.
If Insaro is expensive for your budget, LNE offers an accurate and good priced double row bearing Kit. It's provided with an hybrid bearing similar to SKF (barracuda's solution). I think It's a fantastic solution and the cost (595 $) is a good price.
Think that you'll have to pay spanish duty import taxes, and spanish VAT (18%).
If I were you I'd purchase a magnetic oil drain plug, and the spin on oil filter adapter + oil filter too.
New oil = you'll need almost 10 l. (if you want to use a good oil brand send me a PM and I'll help you to locate the best price). Forget Mobil 1 0W40.
In BITOG you?ll find a huge info about it.
But you'll be saving labour cost as you'll do it yourself, so the total amount won't be expensive thinking about the importance of the solution.
Going for barracuda's solution is not easy with double row bearing.
For those who were thinking that heiwaz came here to sell something, you're wrong. He is a soloporsche user and I know him.
http://soloporsche.com/member.php?u=3464
Besides I think that It's very important to follow Navarro's oil advises. As your car is a MK1 unit, try to contact to Navarro or Raby. Thay could recommend you the best parts for your car including billet chain tensioners.
enjoy rennlist
regards from Spain
thanks juankimalo, it's grateful to see a spanish user in this forum. I was talking by telephone with barracuda and he explain me with all of detail his operation with IMS, and why can not use his solution on my double bearing. Maybe I'll install the Ln kit.
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