Developing bad habits with my Turbo, HELP!

Since I bought my Turbo Cab a few months ago I'm developing an insatiable desire to drive too fast. Yesterday after picking up a pizza and catching I-215 for a short segment between 2 exits, I accelerated up to 122mph. This is pretty foolish I know. Then right after on a twisty sweeper with a 50mph limit I ran up to 87mph. Much worse than this is when my brother bought his X50 Turbo a few months ago and ask if wanted to take it in the canyon for a drive. I did and unintentionally had him screaming and commanding to slow it way down. I took my son and his wife for a ride last night in the canyon and drove way too fast and aggressive. Son was ok with it but his wife posted on Facebook she is sore and bruised from being slammed around in a Porsche Turbo going way too fast up the canyon. I've done this to others as well. I feel really bad and remorseful afterward and find myself apoligizing profusely. I seem to not know what reaction my passengers will have until after the fact. I feel I'm in 100% control, relaxed and driving at much less than what the car is capable of and my driving skills. I roadraced 750 and Open Superbike for about 8 years and have hundreds of races under my belt. I feel comfortable at speed and screaming up on tight turns before breaking. This drives my passengers nuts. I always see them slam their right foot to the ground as their natural reaction to braking while I'm still full throttle, full boost heading for a turn. A hard and quick brake and initiation of a turn slams them forward and right or left. It doesn't affect me I guess because I'm driving. I have two GSXR motorcycles that I can ride as fast as I want that I thought would cure me for the speed fix. I don't want to track my car because I don't want to deal with the stress, time and money commitment. Once hooked, it gets worse and worse, been there. My DD is a Jeep Cherokee and or one of several motorcycles. I generally just drive the P car either after work or on weekends. Sometimes only once a week, so it's almost like a new experience every time I drive. I can't keep this up. My friends and relatives will want nothing to do with me and I realize I can't beat the odds forever. I may end up in a serious accident, though no fault on my part except driving too fast to avoid a situation. I could loose my license if caught going too fast over the limit. Any suggestions?

Really?... slow down

No fault on your part except driving too fast? Tell that to the other driver's family when you hurt someone. Take it to the track. You obviously have experience there on your bikes.

Not sure but can't you set the car alarm to go off at specified speed.?

I drive really fast whenever I consider it is safe. I do it for more then 45 years already and I never experienced anything more then minor low speed fender bender on a public road. Motorcycles? I have two of them currently: 2004 R1 and 2001 Moto Guzzi V11S and I ride them really hard on public roads (again, only when I CONSIDER ITS SAFE) and also go for track days couple of times a year. I ride m/cycles more then 45 years also and had only one spill on public road at speed more then 30 km/hr in my life (not my fault, hit by the pick-up truck from behind, I was riding too slow that day I guess). I also have one cruiser which I use to take my wife for rides. We go slow on the cruiser. You have to brake before the sharper turns on the cruiser anyways or you scrape your floorboards too hard on the pavement. Just for a proper perspective: every time I am on the bike I reach speeds over 200km/hr couple of times, some days only for a moment or two, sometimes when the traffic allows for longer. On my P car when coming home there is a stretch of uphill road (no radar traps) and when the traffic allows I would always reach redline in the 4th gear and then continue faster or not depending on the traffic. I never feel bad or remorseful about my driving or riding. If I did I would not do it. I see how some people say that speed kills. I couldn't disagree more. I think inattention and lack of imagination does. You see it every day. If speed killed all the Germans would be dead already and half of the other Europeans too.

Sell the Turbo and get a Porsche with under 300 HP. You can still go plenty fast enough to get into trouble, but you have to work a lot harder to get up to those speeds, and therefore give yourself time to think.

Not really............! Pete

I'll take your car, and be responsible with driving it, I promise.

My only suggestion would be to sell me your turbo to rid yourself of the need to speed. I'd say once you do get pinched by the law and receive a huge $ ticket, you may slow down...If not, my offer still stands.

Join your local PCA'ers at the track! Get it alllll out of your system. After that, driving fast on the street just won't do it for you.

Nick, not to worry, I get the same itch whenever I take the Turbo out. But, and maybe it's my age talking and the 1 and 3 year old I have at home, but when that needs comes I temper it and just do a quick "boost" to get the "fast" feeling and then I'm good. For example, 2nd gear at 20 mph and punch it to about 60 (in a 45) and then I'm good. When I go to the track I get all that thrill (triple digit speed) out of me until the next time and know that I can always go to the track to get that need met. I'm sure you are in "control" to the best of your ability but you are NOT in control of the elements, the road conditions, debris, the other driver, etc, etc, etc............

It doesn't sound like you are very smooth with your inputs. You should not be WOT coming up to a turn, slam the brakes and then jerk the wheel. this sounds like a recipe for disaster.

You feel that there is stress, time and commitment involved in tracking the turbo? Hmmm, I think most guys here who track their cars would disagree... First off driving in a closed environment with 10-15 people on track usually is not stressfull. You say u raced motorcycles? Track day is not a race... Yes people are pushing their cars really hard but groups have certain passing rules designed to keep eachother out of harms way. Second, time? One Saturday a month will most likely keep your need for speed in check on public roads. 3 hours at wide open throttle fighting the turbo through turns should satify you till the next event. If not go every other weekend... $ well, track days can be as cheap as $125-300 per day plus consumables... realtively inexpensive for someone owning a $100,000+ sports car. Besides these cars want to be tested at the track. I have have similiar credentials as you, coming from 5 superbikes before buying my pcar. I bet once you find the time to track you will be hooked and will most likely stop driving so aggresively on the streets. Now, if i had canyon roads near my house i might eat some of those words.

Agreed. The track is the answer to all of your problems. You'll be amazed at how it limits your desire to drive stupidly on the streets (and believe me from what you've said you are driving stupidly whether or not your realize it). Despite your experience racing bikes and whatever skills you may or may not possess, while you're on the street you can't control the other morons on the road. On the track you can get your thrills without worrying about a 3 year old darting out in front of your car, or grandma merging into the side of you, or the other million things that can go wrong on the street. You also quickly remember how much more fun/thrilling it is to do 100 mph towards a hard turn than it is to just go in a straight line on a highway. -Shawn

To the OP: I just think your an a**hole. Slow down.

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Thanks for your comments so far, maybe talking about this will help me keep things under control. Another point, I drove my n/a 996 cab up the same canyon for years with passengers and would sometimes have them in awe aproaching and exiting a few turns. The difference between a n/a car and the Turbo is like a glider and an F16. The Turbo will press the passenger back in the seat approaching a turn then even a quick and fluid brake and steering change will throw them forward and slam them against the door. Things happen so much more quickly in the Turbo. It's fun and giggles for me and being caught up in the moment, I forget my passenger is getting sick, scared to death and slammed around. I'll work on trying to be more considerate. I do have a perfect driving record, and I'm a very courteous driver, never passing illegally or driving fast too close to other cars. I always expect a moose, dumped oil or gravel around the next blind corner. I've seen my share of crashed cars and bikes with dead drivers and passengers from unfortunate situations. Thanks

Sounds like it might end up like this soon..

I get the feeling that we are getting our collective chains yanked.....just saying. Pete

It is so funny to see so many people on a 911 forum calling a guy an ******* for driving fast. If there are no other cars around and you aren't putting anyone in danger then have fun. That is my opinion of course.

^^ +1 This happens on all car forums. Every time a speed(ing) related thread was started there'd be people posting comments like they never, ever speed before. It's more funny when it's a Porsche 911 forum. Surely 911s were not bought for being the ultimate chick-magnet? Never worked for me, my car is more of a dude magnet.

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No, that is what most of the IMSB threads are for.

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This unprovoked and unwarranted comment is BS. I am sure if you met the OP in person your tone would be very different, put down the keyboard tough guy. To the OP: I think you may be a little too tempted to show off your fast car to your passengers. Do you often drive fast when you are alone? I'd bet this temptation(to show off the car) has gotten the better of most of us at some point in time. Certainly MOST of us push our performance cars far too hard on the streets at times otherwise we would not be serious car enthusiasts. To all of you on your high horses, it must be nice...

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+1. That's what I do. There is one road near me that is about 4 miles long with nothing on it and leads to a dead end. The local LEOs will ignore you if you want to make a run on it. I took it out there once (by myself) and ran it up to 140 before I realized how fast I was going and backed down. It got there in a hurry, and man did it feel planted. Amazing car. Still, it's not the safest thing I have ever done and I do realize that a blow out from road debris or something could have been really bad. Future high speed endeavors will be at a track only.

Let he who is blameless cast the first...post? Yeah I for one have opened up some 4th gear action before not on track. It was a lot more fun at NCCAR opening up some 5th gear goodness but it was scarier too seeing as how the straight is only straight but for so long. I've found that most people in general are terrified at anything but the easiest driving. I can't drive my mom anywhere because, even in my stock 325Ci with all of its blazing 184hp, she freaks out when I turn at an intersection at greater than 5 mph. You ever see those cars that have the entire front dash covered with boxes of tissues and stuffed animals? You have to remember that is how most people drive; slow enough to keep a collection of stuff on the dash like it is your living room mantle. My car is always "secured for sea." So yeah keep it safe and just don't goose it with people in the car. I for one am very thankful to have another autocrosser as my girlfriend because she is used to late braking and all of the high-g stuff that scares most people even at speeds below 40mph.

Everything is beautiful, in its own way la la la la la la laaaaaa!!!!! 170hp on a GSX-R1000 gives the option of lowsiding then highsiding.....then slamming ino the ground head first with the helment smashing down on clavicle snapping it in two places and hitting so hard it bruised my head slightly stunning me which was nice since my bike was lining me up doing a flip before it slammed me while landing. La la la wham. 6 ribs looking like trash. Photo's don't show all the breaks. Crawled out of hospital as soon as I could leaving them enough money to buy a turbo porsche. Insurance doesn't go where the price tag went and my cost was a turbo porsche. It was just a little imvisible debri on the road la la la la laaa la la everything is beautiful until you get your *** waxed. Crushed rib cage and blood in the lungs. You never know when some fool in his charger or some fool car goes and pulls off the road or skirts the side of the road knocking trash on your riding line. Or a rain you weren't there for washed fine debri across the road. 5 months ago and I'm still hurting. Soooooo ride safe. You don't want to find out how whimpy morphine and oxicodin are. Aint nothing going to stop the pain of getting thrashed really bad.

well I guess we can start with this one

little girl was doing 140+

Time to close this train wreck......

Ryan Dunns car after 140

Porsche test driver, lost control on the autobahn

so anyway. Thats what I look at when I am getting out of hand... Plus pictures of my 7 and 10 year old daughters. Keep is safe....Dont be an angel.. but keep it safe

CMON' now we all goose the fun pedal every now and then. With other people in the car though do it in a sane manner. I tend to stick to straight wide open roads for this. The twisties tend to upset stomachs. Even though you think you are in control you might only be fractions from being out of control. I've thought exactly the same thing on multiple occasions and then the back end breaks loose and then I'm in a spin or sideways at least. Save the crazy driving for the track, where you can hit barriers and collide head on into things and perhaps you'll walk away with nothing more than a broken leg.

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yes we do. everything comes with a risk. just dont get too stupid.. Ya know

Just think about how you would feel if your kid was injured b/c of your aggressive driving. That should slow you down. If not.... You got some deeper issues. GL solving this!!! You'll need it

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Why someone who drives (or claims to drive) as you do worries about losing a license baffles me. Would you actually park the car if your license were suspended? I didn't think so. Just a second... phone ringing...... Okay, I'm back... it was the Darwin Awards--they said not to worry, that problems like yours usually take care of themselves.

Shark Attack, that truck must have been backing up very quickly to do that much damage to the Corvette

Just take the energy to the track Have fun and be safe folks

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UNFREAKIN BELIEVABLE, if your son is old enough to be married, you should be old enough to know better......

So the 18 year old girl had coke in her system and Ryan Dunn was likely drunk. I get what you guys are saying, but this wasn't a dui thread...

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...the guy was okay, right?

lol, i thought i had issues with speeding in my dd. This is like giving a crack addict more crack when you put a Porsche in the hands of someone who likes to speed.

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No, he didnt make. He wasnt drunk nor on coke. The vett guy was on his way to work and also was not drunk or on coke.

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yeah, you are right, my mistake.. Have at it! you will be fine as long as you stay off the dope and sauce.... How could have have been so stupid to post those knowing a subbstance was involved.. /Slap forehead/

There is usually a thread like this every year. Glad we are getting it out of our system in August. Until next year...

Thanks for all your comments both good and bad. Many have taken this post out of context. In a 996 Turbo, it's possible to drive fast enough, brake hard enough and push thru sucessive turns rapidly to make your passenger queezy, scared and bruised. All the while being perfectly safe and neither approaching the limits of the car or drivers level of skill. Those that have a Turbo or GT3 will understand this. I would in no way compromise the safety of my passengers or other motorists on the road for a quick thrill. My youngest son, 34 and an R1 pilot said his wife likes fast cars and wanted a ride in my Turbo. 3 miles and half a dozen turns later she felt it was too much. I felt bad for over doing it and making her sick. Fast yes, unsafe, no. Thanks!

This may help me and others that drive too fast on public streets http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/stor...2311?gt1=39002

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I disagree Nick. What you did could be reasonable under controlled conditions. For example, many SCCA Solo drivers take passengers out for a "ride". Your insistence that what you did was not just safe, but "perfectly safe" is troubling. In cases like this the ego may convince one that their own safety, or the safety of the passengers is of chief concern. It is not. In your story the driver and passengers set out with the purpose of thrill seeking. So be it. My concern is for the innocents who would never be able to accurately predict the rate of closing for a car/motorcycle traveling at 120+ MPH. Your superior driving skills and hardware only increases the risk to those who barely passed their driving test and drive mere mortal vehicles. Did you happen to read Michael Waltrip's comments regarding his recent Le Mans experience? The part about his 458 Italia being passed by the R18 TDI on the Mulsanne is suggested reading.

Once again, I am reminded of the kid with Daddy's M5 who insisted online how "he's responsible so it's OK" while driving 3x the speed limit, and asked about how to make the car FASTER still. He made the papers a couple days later when he drove off the side of a raised runway. Darwin smiled, in that mona lisa kind of way. Interestingly, many of us discover we don't know the first thing about safe high speed driving at our first track day. Not saying this is Nick's case, but sayin...

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I remember this as well

Well, I hate to be downer on this, but I think I should say something. As a newbie atty I interned in vehicular crimes in Maricopa County AZ. I can't tell you how many times cases I came across where drivers were doing exactly what you are doing. In many cases, it wasn't what the driver of the 120mph vehicle that caused an accident, but when the inexperienced driver made a lane change in front of him. Unless you are driving on a completely abandoned piece of roadway you are taking a great risk. Not to mention what can result from an unforseen mechanical or tire failure at high speeds. You just never know what can happen, and with passengers no less. Plenty of good people have found themselves in prison for doing something they thought they were in control of, only to find out that their actions contributed to the injuries or death of someone else. Not to be dramatic, but going that fast on a public road is criminal and if something bad should happen you will be charged. Think about how you would feel not being able to be with your family because you were in prison or worse, in a coma, or hospital. Think about how you would feel if your actions, albeit unintentional, caused injury orthe death of someone else. And simply for the thrill of taking the turbo to the limit on a public road. Take it from me, it's not worth it. I have a n/a C4 and go through the same thing, and sometimes I go to fast than I should. But I am trying as we all should. Take a deep breath. Get home safely. If this isn't enough - take it to the track.

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Big big big +1