Suspension upgrade to ROW030 - what else while in there ?

I am planning for my suspension uprgade to ROW030. The kit form suncoast comes with spring, shocks, sway and sway bushing. But I am wondering if there are other jobs or parts that can be replaced while in there. It seems there are other suspension bushings that can be easily done while I am at it. But I have not heard people talking about it in their DIY. Should I replace all the suspension bushings as well ? part number ? Any other stuff that can or should be replace to make the car handle sharper ? Phil.

Phil, I did exactly this mod a few months ago. The kit is very comprehensive, so you won't need anything extra. I did choose to replace both front drop links with stock items (non-adjustable). These are not part of the kit, but are a worthwhile replacement as long as you have it all apart anyway. If you are a track junkie, or hoping to become one, it might be of interest to you to replace the drop links with aftermarket adjustable ones. I am a track junkie, but haven't a clue how to properly adjust them, nor interested in crawling under the car between run sessions, only to make it potentially worse. LOL!

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I also did the Drop links (front) as my rubber bushings were worned/torned. I got OE ones from Pelicans. I did not noticed anything else while working on the suspension that needed immediate replacement.

thanks guys, is there any special tool required to change those ? like ball joint separator thingy ? The Suncoast guy tell me I can change the suspension bushings but I am not sure what they are yet He will send me a schematic shortly

Just make sure you have a good set of tool sockets. That is all you need. The drop links have to be disconnected when you install the new suspension/sways. Very simple procedure Let us know how it goes!

If you have a C2 the fronts are fairly easy to get out. With a C4 you need a ball joint separator due to the drive shafts.

while your in there?..... RS motor mounts (well, I consider this as suspension).

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What sort of performance improvement is gained from replacing the motor mounts?

lets just say.... its like getting an upgraded anti-roll bar but for the engine. More solid feel (rougher ride), more direct feel for shifting. For $400 bucks, I think its a great mod that will compliment any suspension..... I dont have it personally, but driven one with it on. Its on my list and will have it on shortly...

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Do you think it would make much of a difference on a tip like I have? I drive the car almost exclusively in manual shift mode, but I wonder if it would be noticeable with the somewhat slurry shifting of a auto tranny.

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it will make a difference on the handling of the car but not so much in the shifting.... the tip uses internal electrical coils to shift gears so it wont make a difference there. The manual tranny uses external cables that will shift more precisely since there will be less movement of the tranny/engine.

Suncoast gave me this list of stuff I could do while I am in there: * Front Shock Mount - $63.05 x 2 * Front Shock Bushing - $25.25 x 2 * Front Stabilizer Drop Link - $63.11 x 2 * Front Stabilizer Drop Link - $46.98 x 2 * Rear Shock Mount - $101.14 x 2 Total for those little bits: $599.06 What do you guy think ? My car is a 2003 C2 coupe with 32k miles on it. Might be overkill for the mileage but I assume that after 8 years, most of those things certainly took a beating anyways, no ?

I would do it if you if you had 80K miles. Not so much with 32K averaging 4500 miles a year.

Phil - I would be surprised if you needed to do the additional goodies. I just did mine (ROW M030) at 26k miles on my '02 and things looked pretty darn good. You'll notice if things are worn and you could replace what you need. I wouldn't buy all that stuff at once, however.

When I did mine I had 62k miles and everything was in great shape there. I only did the drop links as I mentioned earlier. Save you $$$ for other things will be my opinion

yeah if I have to add 600 to the ROW030 kit then I am getting much closer to the PSS10 price, they are going for $2300 on tirerack at this time. Some people say the PSS10 are harder to install ? are they ? Do they require anything aside of what come with the package at tirerack ? Adjustable drop links are tempting as well while I am in there FIY: I plan on tracking the car 4 or 5 times per year but no only for fun, not chasing the clock. The suspension upgrade is just to get back into 'sharper' ride.

pss10 harder to install because of the extra height adjustment and corner balancing,,,, etc? its not hard to do, but more timely to setup.... m030 need no such thing. though adjustable drop links are nice.... they are used mainly to get rid of pre load and alignment in adjustable sway bars.... m030 sways are not adjustable so the stock drop links should do just fine.... but it seems that you have a hole burning in your pocket.....

If you did GT3 or other aftermarket bars, you'd need to machine the stock drop links or get the adjustable ones. I have GT3 bars on my setup and have the Tarett drop links. They're cool to look at too, but of course once you install them you never see them again.

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+1 I have my RS mounts in a bag on the dining room table waiting to go in.

Keep it simple and straight forward this time. Since you are doing it yourself, you can decide to add all the "fancy" stuff later if you think you need it then.

Decided to keep it easy and ordered the ROW M030 from Suncoast, with the brake caliper screws just to be safe. I hope the bushing will all look good if not I'll have to wait for another delivery. I decided to put PSS10 on the back burner as I don't track that often and I wanted to take on a fun project. And the PSS10 seems to require a little bit more setup with the ride height and corner balancing, and there is nobody locally I can trust with that

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Welcome to the RoW M030 Club! Keep up posted on the progress

I'm also considering the RoW M030 installation. How difficult a DIY is it? I'm a good mechanic and not afraid to tackle anything but I must admit, I know nothing about suspensions.

there is a good DIY on renntech http://www.renntech.org/forums/index...nsion-install/ Many say that it is a very feasible job for a single person. It is straight swap, so nothing new needs to be installed. the price is pretty good. I'll post another DIY when I am done with it but I think the renntech DIY is pretty good. It seems the mod is 'harder' on C4 as you need to remove the ball joint and you need special tool for that. I took quite some time to look into my suspension to see how everything comes together and it seems not too complicated. I am most curious about how much force will be required to take things apart after 8 years that they have been stuck together under that load.. but I am about to figure it out. May be I should WD40 at a couple of place ? any advices on that ?