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And, it's not cheap enough for throngs of high school kids to have ruined the nice clean ones ...
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Are we 996 owners the actual Porsche enthusiast?
Driving around South Florida I get to see an awful lot of other Porsche's on the road (sure mostly Panamera's but that is another story
) 996s, 997s, GT3s, Turbos and even older air cooled.
However, when I have actually had opportunity to talk to some of these drivers while at the dealer, indy shop, parking lots, or even on the road. I have come to the conclusion that "many" are clueless about their car it's lineage, history, and even less how to actually drive the damn thing. Hell, I can't even get a wave back or a headlights flash while passing another one on South Florida roads. WTF? I would further say most of these folks are not even car enthusiasts let alone Porsche enthusiasts. So that said seems like us guys that have bought our 996 second hand, have lusted for one for years and finally fulfilled our dreams are the "real" enthusiasts. The rest? Well I think we have an awful lot of "posers" in our ranks.
What do you guys think?
I wave at everything from a 914, 924 to even the air cooled 911s...
I'm usually good at getting a wave back, a few days ago I got a wave from an older couple in a Cayenne
while I was towing my C4S
!!
yea, +1 for a lot of them are just driving and dont have any interest in the "community" aspect of ownership or getting to know thier cars....I live in an area with high concentration of drivers...and enthusists.... so yes, you are the ambassador! SPREAD THE WORD
I think there are true enthusiasts in every Porsche group, but there do seem to be quite a few in the 996 ranks. The only other automotive group that I have been associated with who were as passionate as 996 owners were Saab owners. I had a few Saabs in the past, and they have quite a following...
just wait, we will be the old timers at the track... showing our butt cracks at everyone. The 996 will come its full circle one day... hope to be a part of it when it happens. Live long and prosper.
Well I had a Volvo C70 and man are those guys "ENTHUSIASTIC" about Volvo's, LOL.
Same Jeep guys when i had my lifted XJ I never failed to get a wave from those guys.
Even going way back to my Mustang GT days you always got a hi-beam flash when another stang was coming the opposite way.
I had a guy in a 993 turn his nose up at me the other day and tell me my 996 wasn't a real Porsche. LOL!
I don't consider myself an enthusiast in the sense that I know everything there is to know about my car and Porsches. However, I have wanted a 911 since I saw my first whale tail when I was 12, and I'm learning everything I can about it.
I was going to get a new 997 S cab, but stumbled across this Turbo and couldn't resist. The 997 with PDK is smoother, quiter, easier to drive, and has more creature comforts and almost as fast. My 996 is rough, loud, has a few rattles (not bad ones), and will give you whiplash if you get sloppy with the clutch. It feels much faster.
I love it! I may have to breakdown and get some of those little sissy driving shoes.
I think what you're missing here is that each of these cars would only be driven by an enthusiast. Most of the general public wouldn't go there. Porsche is a "status" marque. All it takes is money and some people are willing to pay dearly for that status.
This has been discussed before. There are so many 996's on the road because the economy has deemed it possible for lots of people to buy them now and they were mass produced in the economy boom of the 90's-00's. Used 996 or new Accord?
They think the 993, 914, 928, 924, etc are too old, but can't afford a 997. You're waving at a lot of folks that should be driving Camry's & Mustang's, but thought it'd be cool to buy a 996 just because they're cool.
If it's got Porsche written on it, I wave.
I have to agree with you on that comment. My peers always ask me why I bought my 996. My response is always the same, "Why not?". You can tell who a true enthusiast's are... and it doesn't matter what the make is.
993 owners are "special"
you can always say,..."yea sucks neither of us have a real 911" - that always gets their goat since the "real 911" was last produced in 89'
fire away
and LOL at sissy driving shoes..... thats FUNNY!!
My best friend from college and I both bought $24k cars when we graduated in May. I bought a 996, and he bought a 2011 Nissan Altima. It had pretty much every cool option available. But he sure as hell doesnt smile like a butcher's dog everytime he has a long walk to his car. I park far away from everyone so my doors dont get dinged..but i also do it so i can enjoy the beauty of the lines as i walk closer and closer to my car. Every day i say 'Holy **** look at my car...like wow is that mine?' obviously I dont say that out loud to avoid being pretentious but you get the picture.
I should be driving a Camry..in 20 years i'll realize it was financially stupid to buy a 10 year old car. But i'm sure glad right now that i'm not.
I was driving the other day and a Boxster was going the other way, I waved and he waved back. I felt like I was finally part of the P-Car Family, that was a good feeling.
Resist! You have to resist! Those shoes are not you. Plus I want to see you with your cowboy boots on when you get out of your car at the HPD DE.
These cars are not about finances.... they are about emotion.
They are expensive to own and devalue at a good rate.. who cares.
Life is too damn short to drive a Camry
i was driving camry when i was 20 years old. but i quickly figured out that's a waste of time, and i got a 996, never looked back.
it will be financially stupid to buy a new car, for the same $25k, after 5 year, the altima will only worth $15 in a good day, 996 will be worth much more, even if you factor in main. cost.
It's warm weather. I'll be wearing flip flops instead of boots. After some practice, I have perfected the flip flop technique.
I expect to be invited to teach a class on it at the next PCA event.
+1 on that, I believe Porsche owners are split, half bought for looks & half bought for driving dynamics. In Miami it's more like 90/10. Present company excepted of course.
924 owners are
the
true Porsche enthusiasts.
The 996 fell in a sweet spot for me ... not new enough to be the latest yuppie-mobile for those who just want to be seen, and not old enough to have the collector cache of a 993 or earlier 911. And, it's not cheap enough for throngs of high school kids to have ruined the nice clean ones ...
Cheers,
-- Mike
Flip-flops!?!
You need to go barefoot if you really want to be hard-core! I've done it a few times and it sure gives you a different feel than wearing shoes.
OMG yes... I have seen the same thing. I saw a guy at the grocery store the other day... I had to laugh he was trying to tell me about his "days at the track" last summer and it was VERY obvious he had no clue.... Yes POSERS is a very good description. Same thing with these MB guys.... I think one ask me what kind of blinker fluid I use.
this is actually true.. You will not find a more down to earth guy than a 928 guy... in the porsche community
A few years ago when I owned my 996 this forum was bemoaning the fact that no one waved. Since the model was new, many of the owners bought the car because it was expensive and cool...not for the heritage.
Now, those same 996 owners have moved on to the 997's and the 997 forums complain about the lack of waves, no appreciation for the history, etc. The 996's have dropped in price enough to be affordable to more people. Many are enthusiasts; however, a large number just buy for the look or prestige.
As a side note, when I drove my 997 back from Houston, I did not get any waves from 996 or Boxster owners! And, yes, i wave at everyone since I own both a 997 and a "lowly" 914!
Good grief, I can't wait to have someone ask me this! My response would go something like this, with a very serious facial expression:
"Mobil 1 Blink. I switched to the synthetic last year; had to replace the blinker end seal because it had a slow leak. 8W13 weight is good for all seasons ..."
I'd pay money to be a kid at the counter at Pep Boys when this dude comes in bustling with his newfound knowledge ...
Cheers,
-- Mike
I was almost removed last year at a DE from the amount of butt crack I was sportin'.....no wait that was my wife kicking me out my garage
On the wave......I'll wave at anybody from some kid riding shotgun in a pick up truck to the Monseigneur in the Crown Vic.
"Actual" Porsche enthusiast?
That's the 912 guy who I caught drifting it through a great double apex over a bridge on my drive to work. In November.
It's the fellow in my neighborhood who drives a 356C with a luggage rack year round. The luggage gets a bit wet in the off-season.
I'm loving the heated seats. And the memory--saves so much effort after the wife's been driving. 996--the real enthusiast's 911.
Just wait a darn minute here. I finally got my act together to buy a Porsche 911, and you guys are telling me that I really got a 996? WTF???? Now what am I supposed to do? I put all that money into a car with two 9's in its name when I really wanted one with two 1's.
Back to the drawing boards!
larry
If you guys think 996's are looked down upon in some poncy US neighbourhoods, spare a thought for us poor, downtrodden Boxster owners. And especially if the car is 10 years old, like my 2001 S.
No one wants us (sob).
When approached, 996 drivers look ascance and change the subject while the air cooled brigade just sneer as they walk away.
I've heard it all, from "not a real Porsche", "couldn't you afford a proper one" to "its a poor mans Porsche" !!
Ah well, who cares - I guess you can't please everyone.....
After saying that, early Boxsters are relatively affordable (here in Australia, you can pick up a ratty 15 year old 2.5 here for $30,000) which many new - usually young - owners think they can afford (just) to buy, but cannot afford the running costs.
I wonder if the majority of these youngsters can be classed as enthusiasts or simply naive?
I think the enthusiaasts should thank the sheep for buying and supporting the brand they have no clue about. Personally, my opinion of an an enthusiast is a person willing to talk about the car to anyone that has ears and can hear.
There's the concours guys, the track guys, the hot rod guys, and the country club guys. Three out of four isn't bad.
Hehe, I have to admit I'm guilty of doing this as well. Excited to see another P car owner but it all turned to nothing after seeing that it was really a Boxster.....
Next time I'll make the effort to wave to a Boxster driver.
You can get a leggy one for $23k in NZ.
I have other Porsche owners wave, flash lights at me and get thumbs up from other drivers. Was the same when I drove my BMW with other BMW drivers. Also the same in my muscle car days. Just depends on who it is.
LOL.. well dont forget to make him insistant too by adding "you can get it at pepboys, But the staff generally doesnt know what it is becasue only high $$ european cars use it. Make sure you have him look it up in th e computer.. He'll find it."
I dont hold my nose up at people who drive Boxsters......in fact I wave at all P-cars...even 924's
anyone who thinks a Boxster is a bad car should drive one... they are pretty balanced and quite fun. I have thought about picking up one on the cheap and making a real stripped out track toy, but alsa I dont make enough to support two cars so I bought a real Porsche instead
KIDDING!
