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YOUR RESEARCHLooks like I need to get RMS replaced...
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I also want to add they replaced the clutch for no labor charge.
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When mine was changed at only 28K miles, wow what a difference in stiffness feel, the new clutch is so much lighter and smoother than the old worn down one.
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You should clean those parts really well and hang them on the wall in your study or garage.
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If I was in there I would do several things at once, but since it is a "repair" they will only cover what part is bad.
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The IMS update is not just 3 bolts, it is replacing the flange seal, the o-ring on the IMS its self, and if its a really old car you need to replace the flange itself.
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The IMS update is not just 3 bolts, it is replacing the flange seal, the o-ring on the IMS its self, and if its a really old car you need to replace the flange itself.
The clutch is completely dissaembled to take off the flywheel, which must be done to replace the RMS, so there really isn't any additional labor, just putting in new parts instead of the old parts.
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... couple of drips of oil in between the rear wheels and the RMS looks 'greasy/wet'. Sent an email to the dealer to see when I can bring her in for repair. I still have one month of CPO left, so hopefully they will cover it.
Also, I was told to have dealer put a new release bearing in when they are replacing RMS... can someone confirm/opine?
Car has 45K miles on it.
how old is the clutch?
OH wait CPO job? awe,.... watch your wallet.... LOL
If I was in there I would do several things at once, but since it is a "repair" they will only cover what part is bad. You can add things out of pocket (like clutch) and it might be worth it since the tranny is out ?
release bearing IMO is done same time as clutch
hard to say w/o looking at it... I had a clutch last 12 years and over 180k miles and when I sold the car I doubt it was needing a clutch, then again sometimes a car can have 10k miles and need one NOW.
depends on many factors, but when its out, they should be able to tell you
CPO will covert the RMS fix. Do yourself a favor and buy a clutch from Suncoast and have the dealer put in in while doing the RMS. There should be $0 charge for that. You'll save a couple hundred or more if you avoid buying it from your local dealer.
The clutch is completely dissaembled to take off the flywheel, which must be done to replace the RMS, so there really isn't any additional labor, just putting in new parts instead of the old parts. Clutch kits run under $400 on ebay, alittle more elsewhere. One question is the Flywheel, if this need to be replaced the retail is abut $1,000.
While they are in there check the IMS seal, if this is leaking it should also be replaced under the CPO, and use the updated bolts for the IMS, good insurance.
Wouter,
Get a quote from Sunset or Suncoast on the clutch parts, then get a quote from Hendrick on what their parts cost. If it is close, get the parts from Hendrick and don't let them charge you any additional labor.
You might want to say something like "I know you have to remove the clutch to access the RMS. I was thinking it might be a good time to replace the clutch, especially since there wouldn't be any additional labor to do that. How much is a clutch kit?" Then just play it by ear and see where the conversation goes. You'll have your Sunset quote so you will know if it is a decent price. If the parts cost is not close to the Sunset quote, then tell them it is too high and see what they say.
I would keep in mind that as your CPO runs out, your relationship with the dealer might become more important, even with local shops available for repairs.
They will be getting paid by PCNA for all the labor involved with an RMS fix, which includes taking out and re-installing the clutch. If they want to charge you for reinstalling a clutch that you supply, I would suggest you don't want to have a relationship with that particular dealer.
As soon as the CPO is over, never take it to Hendrick again....only place to go in Charlotte area is
http://www.eurowerks.us/
[phone removed]) Jim, Nick and Scott are all great to work with and very knowledgeable! Best Indy shop I've ever dealt with.
I never was very impressed with Hendrick Porsche, either sales or service. About 3 or 4 years ago they were a Premier Porsche Dealer, then they lost that designation. I'm really uncertain how they got that back again.
Been there done that on two occasions. I also want to add they replaced the clutch for no labor charge. Get the clutch done, it's much cheaper since the RMS is being repaired and covered by Porsche.
If the IMS hasn't leaked by now I think I'd let sleeping dogs lie. Some cars are prone, others aren't I think. Mine has had both RMS and IMS fixed twice on PCNA's dime. Next one's are on me.
yea, but when you open it up and there is a big ole greasy mess, how can you tell if the IMS is leaking since the RMS drips right onto it? I agree - dont fix what aint broken, but thats a tough call (though the instruction sound like this is no 10 second job eighter, rather complicated and requires some tools)
anyone have a time for JUST the IMS job once you are in there.....?
Wanted to keep all of you posted on this...
Hendrick Porsche here in Charlotte confirmed that I need to get the RMS replaced and it wil be covered under my CPO (3 weeks left on the CPO...). I asked them what price of clutch replacement was and they weren't close to the sunset price ($445). I told them what sunset quoted me and asked if they could match, or get close to it. They couldn't, but agreed that I could buy the clutch set from Sunset and Hendrick would install for free when they changed out the RPS.
I am very much impressed that they agreed to install the new clutch even though I bought it from one of their competitors! Very nice!
Got a question though... how do I know that they will install my new clutch and not just say they do (guess it is a trust thing)... should I ask them to show me the old clutch afterwards?
good to hear... I dont think I would worry about them installing a "fake" clutch, but take a black sharpy and write the date and sign the new parts...(even a fake signature will do) tell them when you take them out you want to know how long they were in...
thanks for the update
You should be able to feel the difference in the new clutch unless your current clutch has little wear only... When mine was changed at only 28K miles, wow what a difference in stiffness feel, the new clutch is so much lighter and smoother than the old worn down one. Cheers...
after my weekend helping out install a new tranny in a 99 C2, i have no doubt when mine is due, I will DIY it...for now its holding on (though maybe a bit heavy)
you are smart to swap it while the tranny is out for the RMS even if it's not worn it could be oiled up....
Wouter,
I am glad that worked out for you. I doubt that a dealer would do that (not install the new clutch) and say they did it. It would set them up for a big, BIG law suit.
Nice work. Simply ask to have the old clutch placed in the new clutch box; take a look at it when you get home. I always ask to keep the old stuff for inspection.
I am a Tech for Leith Porsche in Raleigh, not too far from you. I see you got it all sorted out, there is no reason that a dealership should ever try and charge you for installing a new clutch, as was stated earlier, the clutch is out anyway, its normally an upsell "while your in there". Normally the reason the clutch "feels" so much better is because you get the buildup of dust off the sleeve the throwout bearing rides on, and very lightly lube it, thats normally the heavy feeling with a clutch with miles. The IMS update is not just 3 bolts, it is replacing the flange seal, the o-ring on the IMS its self, and if its a really old car you need to replace the flange itself. HTH, Good luck, glad it happened before your CPO ran out. Like was pointed out earlier though, spending a few more dollars right now and buying the clutch from your dealer could help you in the long run if you need help from Porsche your dealer is the one batting for you, I have seen Porsche pick up the entire dime because all services were performed at a dealer, i have seen engines, transmissions etc replaced out of warantee multplie times. Just my .02
Mark
Well, all done... new clutch, new RMS and 4 weeks left on my CPO!
Not a clutch expert, but attached find some pics re the old clutch... any insights... does it look warn? I thought the clutch plate was supposed to not be smooth... this one feels very smooth. Is that a sign it was at the end of its useful life?
clutch disc looks to have life left, but the pressure plate looks a little burned.. maybe from the RMS depositing oil in the area then causing that ?
You did good, now you know its new and can drive many years worry free !
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