US$46,644 for a friggin' Lambo oil change.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/31/o...or-oil-change/ What is this world be coming too. There are starving children everywhere.

Why did you spend money on that car and those mods? You could have just bought a used civic, and sent all those extra thousands of dollars you saved to feed some starving kids.

That is one fugly car.

LOL!!

That is pretty crazy but the fighting below in the posts are the best part of that thread. People online crack me up

I agree - this sounds ridiculous, but it's all relative. I'm sure there are a lot of minimum wage earners out there who would look at my purchase of an expensive weekend "toy" as a ridiculous waste of money as well.

No wonder gas is so expensive. We are paying for that oil change.

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Now that's funny!

The only thing about this that is wierd to me, is that he could have just flown out a technician to do it at his home, rather than shipping his car away. Even if I was a billionaire, I'd rather just send the technician to me because it would be faster and I would have my car ready to go much quicker.

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Yeah, and there's no risk of sinking the thing in the ocean. Flying one tech + oil + other parts necessary is much, much, MUCH cheaper.

hey atleast he is not stingy and sitting on his money... plus i know a lot of Lambo owners that just buy the car and dont drive it... Atleast this guy is making an effort... Kudos Plus that Pocket Change for him... good for him, dont be Jelous

I don't think anybody is jealous. If any of us was jealous, we'd be jealous of foolery.

Kudos to the down to earth P car owners...you get to see some true colours on this forum sometimes. I agree it is all relative, but there is a fine line between driving and moding a P car vs. spending $40Gs on an oil change. I guess when guys are born with a sliver spoon just don't appreciate $$ as some of the hard working folks.

hmmmmmm.....

its kinda sad when ppl dont know anything about the World outside of where they live.... ppl should travel more before making comments about something they dont know anythign about... if ppl are worried about starving children so much, maybe THEY should make an effort... true colours

if you have the money.......... doo your worse.....

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May be... but the "press" would not been talking about him without that. I have some pretty F'd up stories with those guys. I give you 2 real life examples: 1- I was on my boat in portofino about to dock to get some gas at the pump when two 150feet long yatchs were trying to dock as well and obviously one was there before the other. The Italian yatch docked first while he should have waited his turn . The Sheik who had the other yatch got pissed, just crush his yatch against the italian's and went back and forth 3 times until both yatchs were totally destroyed. I could not believe it!! I would think yatchs like those would fetch in the $6/7MM a piece 2- A friend of mine who is a managing partner at Deloitte in Abu Dabi told me one of his team was hired by a sheik to perform a physical inventory of his car collection. Given the amount of cars he had, the associate had to go at the local DMV to see the list of vehicles registered under the Sheik's name, and he got over 1500 results... As you can imagine that none of those cars were Toyotas.

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So is that what the "Toronto, Bombay, Kuwait" in your location is for?

money can't buy style and taste....look at me and my chrome rimmed escalade..seriously!!

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lol yea i am fortunate... Kuwait is Lala Land... India is Land of the Free and Canada TIM HORTONS!!!!... seen more than that, just wanna cheak out Japan, Aussi Land and Africa... PS: this thread should be in "Off Topics"... this is the 996 Forum...

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This is a retarded statement. What sort of "effort" is he making? Sounds like he's just wasting time and fuel. No one is criticizing him for driving the car, so your first sentence has no relevance. It's the irrationality of his decision that is pissing ppl off. He basically did it to show off his money and get his name in the press, so don't try to justify his actions any other way. I thought your post was a joke at first, but I guess not. p.s. No one is "Jelous" of this guy's decision making and it's not good for anyone.

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Come on people. The Lambo dealership and all of its employs are greatful the Sheikh bought the car. The charter service or air freight business and all its employs are greatful for the business. The businesses that make money off this guy's extravagance are all greatful for him and so are their families who can afford to send their kids to better schools or live on a higher level. That jet was going to fly at some point regardless of whether the car needed a tune-up or not. Engines need to be more efficient and any source of pollution needs to be cleaned up but for anyone to judge a person as wasteful simply because they choose to spend their wealth as oppose to hording it seems rediculous to me.

I liked the idea of throwing the car at 3000 miles, just not a fan of replacing it with another. besides, aren't we supposed to learn from our mistakes?

I wonder why he shipped it to a dealership in London rather than back to the factory in Italy.

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The way the media works, he probably returned the car for what he perseived to be a major issue. The mechanics drained the oil to check for contaminants or it had to be drained to investigate the complaint. They found nothing; replaced the oil; told the guy he was causing his own problems; charged him for the service and left him on the hook for the freight.

I'm not due for an oil change for a few thousand miles, but that flight back to Germany looks expensive...

I'm jealous, give me his cc number......... surely he won't notice a few small purchases. i've always wanted to own a group of 10 topless bars....

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I'm going to kick a dent in your Prius ANYBODY WITH MONEY CAN BE MY FRIEND.......

Story is a hoax. Many wealthy arabs bring their exotic cars into London to drive while they are residents. If you think about it, how would the Airport workers have any idea the car was headed for an oil change?

Most of the time if noone can do service in their country they will fly factory tech in. Just like someone stated before. I know that, it is a fact. Rolls Royce does that. When arabs buy Phantoms, they buy them straight from Goodwood, then drive them to London airport, load them on transport planes and fly them to their countries. These guys deal directly with factory. But that is what happens when you buy cars like that. It is very personal relationship with clients. Plus their cars are so loaded with so many extra custom features, it's amazing. RR is happy to do that and clients like that are very important for them. So I don't find that so out of ordinary at all. Our dependence on oil made them very wealthy.

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Finally! Rational thought. All this blatant envy made me feel like I needed to change this forum to the "Marxist 996 Forum". Look at it this way, if there were more people like this sheik, demand would be high. Because of high demand and limited supply (of air shipping) prices would go up. Pilots would make more money, ground crews loading the car would make more money, airplane mechanics who would need to service the equipment would make more money and so on down the line. Now, if the "greenies" would stop deamonizing oil exploration and whining about "Big Oil" and actually work to solve a problem, maybe we'd get somewhere. Maybe the Sheik lost a bet or something? Ever think of that?

I think everyone agrees that there is a more optimal and economical way of taking care of a lambo oil change in the Middle east. On the other hand..this is money being pumped into the economy...whats wrong with that? I think ppl are disgusted because an "oil change" is a relatively low $$ item and seeing someone spend $40,000 on it just pisses people off. This figure again is relative. If all on this forum had a minimum net worth of $50 mil...then $40,000 will probably not mean much...chances are you are spending $40,000 on some other "not so optimal" luxuries. Now if you have a net worth upwards are $50 mil and are spending a lot of your time and $$ on making sure that people in Darfur get food to eat....then please congratulate yourself...you are truly a better man for trying a make a difference.

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Sorry, that isn't a rational thought. No to rational minds at least. The jet would have certainly flown, but carrying more weight, which means more fuel that it would have otherwise have used. So yes, he DID create a larger carbon footprint. Look, I have no problem with people having more money, bigger house etc. They did something someone else didn't do/have/think. Kudos to that. But the earth, its atmosphere, is a shared and limited resource (unlike his personal money) and there ought to be limits on how much waste each individual can throw up in the atmosphere. I can't load up a truck of toxic chemicals and start dumping them on a beach - just because I can afford to. And sticking labels like "greenies" don't solve the problem. I wish but they don't. Acta non verba - that's what helps the environment. Finally, about his actions bringing in more business for the airline industry and the Lamborghini showroom - well, the same money could spend more directly into those businesses. Remember, the problem is not the amount of money spent. It is the side effect - the amount of pollution his actions cause - that is the problem.

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It is also rational to assume that if the car was not on the plane...it would have been something else. I am sure the airline would carry and charge for whatever it could within the size/weight limits. Could have been food, medicine or whatever else. Everything you do has a carbon footprint....and this will include the food you will eat tonight. Making the sheikh a poster child for what is wrong with our environment is naive and small thinking IMHO.

This thread has been entertaining. I just want to sell him something. Maybe I could sell him some air for his tires. Yea he needs Nitrogen especially formulated for Lamborghini. That�s got to b worth 30k. Now let me find his e-mail address or PO Box number.

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Sids911, your view point is so far off base that I don't know where to start. I'm sure you are a nice guy and mean well, but you seem to think that your "we must save the environment" argument is the right course and every other view must be conceeded. This is where we differ and you are in fact incorrect. This whole "carbon footprint" thing is nonsense. The earth was warmer during the time that Dinosaurs roamed the earth and men could not be blamed for this. Al Gore's assertion that an increase in carbon emmissions leads to an increase in temperature has been widely disproven. I can't understand why you "environmental" folks are so anti-average man. Your environmental stance (which is usally not fact based) causes prices to increase so that only elites like yourself can enjoy average things. Look at places like San Francisco, Boulder Colorado, LA, etc. Prices to live in these places have escalated to such a high level that the only people who can enjoy living there are the super wealthy. How does this benefit society? As for "loading up chemicals and dropping them on the beach", nice straw man! That is against the law because it is either littering or illegally disposing of a hazardous waste. It is not against the law to legally and properly create and dispose of hazardous material. For example, dumping paint on the beach will land you in jail. Disposing of paint through you local town or county program is acceptable. I can remember when they said that glass bottles were bad because they were heavy and that trucks delivering them used more gas and created more pollution. The world was told to switch to plastic. Now, we are being told about the dangers to the environment caused by plastic in landfills, not to mention that it does not degrade when the "greenies" go hiking and leave it on public lands. So back to glass is what we are told. Go to smaller vehicles so that we can save the evironment! They cried. Then, those who could afford it continued to buy SUV's and when involved in an accident with one of these fuel efficient vehicles, they would kill the occupants of the econo-car. So the "greenies" buy "carbon credits" (what a scam) to displace the damage they are doing by being selfish and driving the Range Rover. Guess who owns the company that sells the Carbon Credits? You guessed it...........Al Gore! Again, I'm not trying to be inflamatory here, it's just that your view of "we must save the environment" though well intentioned, is actually why society needs to be saved from the green lobby. I'm done. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Ene...ment/HL758.cfm

Interesting information. The sky is falling. Not! The sky is falling. Not! We couldn’t destroy the Earth if we wanted, maybe all life on Earth but not the Earth. Then 100 million years later life comes back. Best we leave a note of do and don’t for the next tenants.

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You assume that cargo is at its capacity limits. It is not.

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It is logical to assume that if there was substitute cargo(at the right price)h and if the airline is in it "for profit", then something else would have flown instead. How are you able to categorically state that the cargo is not at its limits and substitute cargo is not available as well?

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I believe that Sids911's point is that our hypothetical sheik's actions has caused a negative externality on everyone else. It's like the fellow that blows tobacco smoke in someone else's face. He gets the benefits of his cigarette but at a cost to those around him. Society bears the cost of the sheik's pollution and his actions are seen as irrational and wasteful. Really? I guess it depends on which body of research you consider to be more credible. I doubt you have the scientific credentials to conclude that global warming science "has been widely disproven." What I hope we can agree on, is that flying a car half-way across the globe does emit pollution, and that cumulative air pollution imposes a cost on society. The "average man" has more pressing concerns like making his credit-card payment than being self-actualized enough to behave in a manner that is most beneficial to the long-term interests of society. It is up to the elite, to define the rules, regulations and standards of behavior that will achieve an optimal societal result. I'm not sure I understand the logic of this argument. Certainly, there is a strong correlation between a society's level of wealth and its awareness of the impact of pollution, so you would tend to see more wealthy cities in Europe and America have a higher level of environmental awareness. Further, a producer of pollution SHOULD be taxed/penalized to reduce their detrimental impact on others. Going back to the tobacco example, smokers should pay higher prices on their pack of cigarrettes because the rest of society shouldn't be burdened with higher health-care costs. So imposing higher costs on producers of negative externalities does benefit society. Based on your earlier arguments, these laws are detrimental because it would be far cheaper (and hence benefit the "average man") to just allow people to dump chemicals on the beach. You can't have it both ways.

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I work with logistics. There is always seasonality and excess capacity built in. Even when you consider passenger flights, planes don't fly full. Why do you think airlines don't just drop the price of tickets to the point that they fill their planes with passengers?

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I think if prices remained high, new entrants would enter the market and the price would reach equilibrium once again. Further, there will not be any relationship between high demand for logistics and the wages of low-skilled jobs such as ground crew. There is no reason for excess profit to trickle down to the workers because wages are already artificially inflated from union protection.

[QUOTE]Come on people. The Lambo dealership and all of its employs are greatful the Sheikh bought the car. The charter service or air freight business and all its employs are greatful for the business. The businesses that make money off this guy's extravagance are all greatful for him and so are their families who can afford to send their kids to better schools or live on a higher level. [\QUOTE] There is a common misunderstanding that people who *spend* their money are doing society more good than people who *save* their money. In fact, people who save their money should be considered more altruistic. Consider the person that earns $100, spends $60 and puts $40 in a bank. He has essentially created $100 of value to society but only uses $60 of that in goods and services for himself. The $40 placed in the bank can be lent out to other people who need the money to finance their houses, cars, televisions or expand their businesses. So in essence, the person who saves his money is also benefitting the economy.

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Nice link.

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+1

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too bad it's 6 years old

[QUOTE=jury_ca;5667708] The "average man" has more pressing concerns like making his credit-card payment than being self-actualized enough to behave in a manner that is most beneficial to the long-term interests of society. It is up to the elite, to define the rules, regulations and standards of behavior that will achieve an optimal societal result. QUOTE] This quote really scares me. Why not reinstate a Monarchy? Wow!, if this is what it's come to, our country is in real danger. Go read Thomas Jefferson's thoughts on this very subject. You should also review the "Federalist Papers". The "average man" is in no way inferior to a so called "elite". Based on your assertion, we should not even allow average citizen's to vote. After all, how can they make rational decisions since they have not become "self-actualized"? By the way, I do not need to have a degree in science to understand it. This is another widely used tactic called, Pseudo Intellectualism, where you claim that your opposition is not qualified to have an opinion on a given subject based on their lack of credentials. Sounds very discriminatory to me. Shame on you.

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I could go on and on. Al Gore used data from 1998! in his 2005 lie. That's 7 years old if my public school math is correct. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2315636.htm

Here’s an interesting link. It’s a bit long but thought provoking. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...43905833454241

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[QUOTE=trackjunky;5669111] 1) A monarchy is based on nepotism, not elitism. When I refer to the elite, I refer to the professionals in a given field, doctors, lawyers, bankers, professors that shape public policy on various issues. I wouldn't leave it up to the "average citizen" to decide what is best. 2) Interesting that you mention allowing the average citizen to vote because the average citizen overwhelmingly votes for the elites to lead them as opposed to voting Joe Bloggs into power. Besides, if we shaped policy on a true "democracy" of having the majority vote, you'd end up in serious trouble. You could probably get the majority to vote to eliminate all taxes tomorrow. 3) I never said that the OP was not allowed to have an opinion. I disagree with him asserting as facts what is really opinion.

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[QUOTE=jury_ca;5669696] Wow. People like you really do exist. If we have learned anything over the last few decades it is that the "elite" are just as likely to be complete idiots as anyone else. Our elected officials have managed to screw things up royally and in exactly the way the very "common" forefathers tried to warn against. These very educated and very priveledged individuals, the elites, prove on a daily basis that power corrupts and there inability to relate to the challenges faced by the average man has rendered them useless. They bend to whims of special interest representing the influential and powerful who willingly kill and cripple at "acceptible level" in the name of profit margins and ROI. They do not make decisions in the best interest of the nation but rather to further their personal interest. I am a conservative/capitalist to my core but I have integrity and a strong sense of independence and self reliance and I detest what the American politician has come to represent (on both sides). And if someone "saves" money and therefore allow it to be used to be loaned as credit then that money has been spent. Just by someone else. Investing is different from hording. Having a head full of facts does not equal knowledge and it certainly does not equal superiority.

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The new Forbs magazine has an article with a top ARAMCO female executive whereby it mentioned their cost of extracting a barrel of oil is $2 and selling for $120+ today. Now that's a nice traditional business model.

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[QUOTE=epegasus;5673749] Your point about the elites making sub-optimal decisions on the basis of personal advancement is valid. Your inference that an average man, given the same powers, would make a superior decision is not. A "democracy" by nature of being devised and managed by humans is flawed, because humans are flawed. Calling yourself a capitalist at heart, you should agree with the principal that one dollar, one vote is superior to the democratic but so very socialistic principal of one person, one vote? Private markets are governed on the principal of personal greed. While it may be the elites that run the companies and the government, it is the common man by nature of his mass purchasing power, that controls the direction of production. This is to say, the consumption choices of the consumer dictates who become wealthy and who does not; hence, the elites are still serving the average man. I believe in the free market economy, with the caveat that governments should intervene in circumstances which include: 1) Protecting the powerless, disabled, minorities, children and women, and reduce economic inequality 2) Provide public education and health services, standards and mandates 3) Regulate and control greed and selfishness among private interests, especially corporations and the rich and ensure that businesses provide safe working conditions, produce safe consumer products, and stop polluting the environment.

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Yep, Knightsbridge (area around Harrods) is stuffed full of exotica on middle eastern plates. Gemballa's, Hamann's, Rinspeeds, Veyron's (saw two at the same time last night) the list goes on...... All driving around the block very slowly making as much noise as possible