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My neighbor has a late 99 996 which we cleaned about 2 years ago when the car had about 65K miles on it.
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This was recently made very evident when I cleaned my neighbors 996 radiators and later when I cleaned the radiators on the Orient Express.
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This was recently made very evident when I cleaned my neighbors 996 radiators and later when I cleaned the radiators on the Orient Express.
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Recommend removable bra
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So I continue to recommend a removable bra for the 996.
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Another reason why Removable Bras are superior to StoneGuard clear bras
Use the orient express does not have one scratch
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After 6 years of continuous bra use, the Orient Express does not have one scratch on it that is attributed to dirt rubbing between the bra and the paint.
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I'd like to add another reason to the list why removable Bras are superior to the Clear plastic permanent bras for the 996.
This reason goes beyond just keeping the nose of the car free of rock chips, and goes to the very long term durability of the engine itself.
A removable bra includes a screen mesh covering for the radiator intakes. This mesh prevents the accumulation of road debris on the radiators which will eventually lead to the blocking of airflow through the radiators, and subsequent overheating of the engine, and in extreme cases leading to engine failure.
This was recently made very evident when I cleaned my neighbors 996 radiators and later when I cleaned the radiators on the Orient Express.
My neighbor has a late 99 996 which we cleaned about 2 years ago when the car had about 65K miles on it. This car has never had a covering on the front or a screen across the radiator intakes. As you can see from the photos, the radiators were blocked significantly, and the engine was running hot (above 185 degrees).
Fast forward to this week when I decided to clean the radiators on the Orient Express. The car is 6 years old and has 65K miles on it now. It has worn a full removable (Speed Lingerie) bra since the car was new.
The difference in the accumulated debris is remarkable:
At this rate of accumulation, the car could probably travel 200K miles before it would require a serious cleaning.
So I continue to recommend a removable bra for the 996. A good bra blends into the car very nicely, and provides superior protection against road debris not only for the body of the car but for the cooling system as well.
I don't know.. the removable ones look funny IMO.
They remind me of when I was growing up and I used to visit my friend's house, and his parents had that crazy clear plastic covering over their furniture. This kept the underlying furniture looking nice - yet it looked ridiculous at the same time. What's the point in keeping something looking nice, if it's going to be covered up permanently anyway?
4 problems I've experienced:
1. PIA to wash as they need to be removed and washed separately
2. They leave micro scratches on the paint/clear coat
3. the mesh screen would hinder airflow to my radiators...I need all the air flow I can get. I already have some screening in place to keep out the big stuff.
4. If you drive in the rain, they need to be removed to dry or they destroy the finish.
Must admit, they look fine on your car and there is no debate your car is kept quite exquisitely.
1. PIA to wash as they need to be removed and washed separately
Yes, a removable bra does need to be removed when you wash the car, but in 6 years, I have never had to wash my bra. I keep it coated with Rejex, and just wipe off the bugs with a wet rag.
2. They leave micro scratches on the paint/clear coat
Not necessarily. The paint under the bra is always in better shape then the rest of the car when it comes to micro-scratches. The inside of the bra is covered in a very soft felt which does not scratch. Further the bra fits snugly around the edges so dirt does not find its way under it.
3. the mesh screen would hinder airflow to my radiators...I need all the air flow I can get. I already have some screening in place to keep out the big stuff.
Huh? It is not the big stuff that clogs the radiators. The mesh screen is transparent to the airflow.
4. If you drive in the rain, they need to be removed to dry or they destroy the finish.
Absolutely true. The Achilles heal of a removable bra is that if you drive your car often and in inclement weather, then a removable bra is not for you. They work best for cars that are not driven in areas where it snows or rains often.
Add a 3rd radiator...problem solved.
Also, cooling on 99's is a problem anyhow (I used to own one). That was one of the issues they fixed with the 02- facelift.
OR, you're car is very nice, but the bra is fugly.
This is another problem, the rest of the paint is exposed to the elements and sun therefore the covered area looks discolored in relation
Excuse me...have you heard of physics....if there is a mesh, it WILL effect airflow, it will reduce the air flow by the % of solid area to the % of open area plus it may change the air flow over the car as air...air will follow the path of least resistance. This is not an issue unless you need that air to maintain aerodynamics and cooling as designed by the manufacturer
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and even speed lingerie is only rated to 150mph
Good hypothetical arguments, but real world experience has shown that
1. Paint fade is minimal to non-existent on the 996. On my 6 year old Speed Lingerie equipped car, it would be very difficult to determine any discoloration. In fact the 996 paint is pretty good. I don't know of any car, even a solid dark color car that I have seen that has paint discoloration from age.
2. And you are excused. Aside from your theoretical reference, which example would you think has the greater detrimental effect on airflow and cooling in the radiators:
This:
unmeshed intake
or this
meshed intake
And lastly while I always recommend that everyone drive the speed limit at all times..., I have personally driven a Speed Lingerie equipped car in excess of 172 mph for a significant distance without any problems.
I have a Speed Lingerie color matched bra Slate Gray). It goes on and off easily, looks great on the car! And no wax lines next to the clear bra or yellowing or any of that stuff. They are not cheap but they are the best!
After 6 years of continuous bra use, the Orient Express does not have one scratch on it that is attributed to dirt rubbing between the bra and the paint. That is a fact, and I would invite you to look at the car and verify it.
I only use a removable bra when we do road trips. At all other times, the snout is naked.
For me, the bra provides outstanding protection against grit & gravel and then goes away when we get home.
Yeah, but you keep the perfect looking front covered up at all times with a bra that doesn't look nearly as good.
What's the point in keeping it looking awesome, if you can't see it?
I agree with OE.
As long as I make sure there is no grit on the surface when I slip the bra into place, there's no way the paint can get scratched. I got mine from the dealer, so it fits insanely well and is kind of a bitch to put on, but once in place, the snout is protected big time. I'm sure the Speed Lingerie model does as well. I have no doubt that an off brand bra might have gaps that could cause problems.
But if film makes you happier, go with it. There are no wrong answers to this issue, just different opinions.
When the venue is appropriate, where you can really appreciate the car and its details, then the bra comes off. But for ordinary driving, around ordinary cars, and ordinary people, the bra stays on, and everyone can just fantasize about what's under there.
